Hi Heres a thought how would it have been to have had Dr McCoy in Where No Man Has Gone Before.I heard Gene Roddenberry wanted him.Its strange one of Star Treks most loved characters was not there when Kirk first assumed command of the Enterprise.It would have been interesting to have seen a slightly younger looking Dr McCoy in Where No Man has Gone Before.Kirk Spock Sulu and Scotty all have a slightly different look in that episode.They blend in on the Earlier USS Enterprise.It is not a common Star Trek episode.

It was the second pilot, and they still hadn't gotten all the bugs out. I mean, they'd just recently changed the captain's name to Kirk. (A lot of people don't realize that if Jeffery Hunter had accepted the role of Captain for the series, he would have played Captain Kirk, not Pike. While he DID play a captain named Pike in the original pilot, the characters name had been changed right before the show went to series.)

It would have been nice to see McCoy there. I've heard fan speculation that says that McCoy WAS the ships doctor then, but was away from the ship at the time, for some reason, and so Dr. Piper(?) took over for him. Again, just fan speculation. Unfortunately, sometimes fan speculation becomes so prevalent that many people assume it to be canon. A good example is the common attitude that Spock was the first Vulcan in Star Fleet. No where in the original series do they say that, but many fans argue that it is true.

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/stexpanded/images/thumb/1/12/Robert_April_young.jpg/150px-Robert_April_young.jpg[/IMG-LEFT]. . . A lot of people don't realize that if Jeffery Hunter had accepted the role of Captain for the series, he would have played Captain Kirk, not Pike. While he DID play a captain named Pike in the original pilot, the characters name had been changed right before the show went to series.Good thing G.R. didn't stick with the name Robert April. I mean, Captain March or Captain August wouldn't have been so bad . . . but Captain [I]April???

Yeah, and even Captain Winter was a consideration, for a while. And the Enterprise was originally going to be the Yorktown.

My vote would have been for Captain January. ;)

How about Captain Caveman?

"Captain Obvious"?

Dialog: "Wasn't it Obvious who jettisoned the pod??"

I think you got the cart in front of the horse, there

Pike's name changed to Kirk BECAUSE of the actor change.

among the varied notes form TPTB to GR was not an objection to Pike's name.

I think we can all be thankful that Hunter's wife was such a diva.

The story goes that she was such a "stage mother" that when Hunter expressed doubts about doing the second pilot, the producers didn't put up that much of a fight to keep him and later said that they had dodged a bullet and couldn't imagine her being on the set every day.

No, that is a common misconception. The name change was done before Hunter turned down the role. Roddenberry later said that he was glad they changed the characters name, otherwise they'd never have been able to use the "cage" footage the way they did. I'll find the source of the info and post it when I have a few extra minutes.

No, that is a common misconception. The name change was done before Hunter turned down the role. Roddenberry later said that he was glad they changed the characters name, otherwise they'd never have been able to use the "cage" footage the way they did. I'll find the source of the info and post it when I have a few extra minutes.

to put this to rest, I recommend you re-read the excellent making of Trek book " Inside Star Trek- by Herb Solow and Bob Justman.

On page 72 there is a photocopy of a memo from GR to Kellum DeForest (Desilu researcher) wherein they seek clearances on a new name for the captain. Kirk is on that list and is brought up for the first time.

This is after the go-ahead for the second pilot and in fact after Shatner had already been signed and a month before he is due to start filming.

the narrative surrounding this memo (which is too long for me to type here) talks about changes that are to be made due to hiring a new lead actor.

So, I repeat my assertion. It was the actor that made the name change .

If you have contrary proof. Show it.

to put this to rest, I recommend you re-read the excellent making of Trek book " Inside Star Trek- by Herb Solow and Bob Justman.

On page 72 there is a photocopy of a memo from GR to Kellum DeForest (Desilu researcher) wherein they seek clearances on a new name for the captain. Kirk is on that list and is brought up for the first time.The same list appears on pages 132-133 of The Making of Star Trek. It consists of the following names:

January
Flagg
Drake
Christopher
Thorpe
Richard
Patrick
Raintree
Boone
Hudson
Timber
Hamilton
Hannibal
Neville
Kirk
North

All properly rugged, manly, pioneer-sounding names.

Captain January was the title of a 1924 silent film, remade in 1936 with Shirley Temple. Any of those other names might have worked, although "Captain Boone," "Captain Hudson" or "Captain Timber" (Timber??) would have been a wee bit obvious. And it's a good thing they didn't use the name Hannibal, considering that today most people associate that name with Hannibal Lecter!

And it's a good thing they didn't use the name Hannibal, considering that today most people associate that name with Hannibal Lecter!

Maybe, but, he would have loved it when a plan came together. ;)

Maybe, but, he would have loved it when a plan came together. ;)Sorry, am I missing something? Is there a joke there?

That was always George Peppard's line in the A-Team. He played a character nick named "Hannibal."

The same list appears on pages 132-133 of The Making of Star Trek. It consists of the following names:

January
Flagg
Drake
Christopher
Thorpe
Richard
Patrick
Raintree
Boone
Hudson
Timber
Hamilton
Hannibal
Neville
Kirk
North

All properly rugged, manly, pioneer-sounding names.

All except Neville! Captain Neville??

All except Neville! Captain Neville??


You got sumthin' against Neville?!?

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All except Neville! Captain Neville??Timber? Captain Timber???

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TIM-BERRR!

How about Captain Scarlet? He was pretty indestructable.

Or Captain Smoochieface.

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"May I call you Captain Eddie-Baby?
Captain Sweetie?
What about Captain Pussycat"?

This is just getting silly.

TOO SILLY!! TOO SILLY!!

Move along, nothing to see here

Redline on the silly meter, Captain!

Sorry, am I missing something? Is there a joke there?

Don't take this the wrong way, because it's not meant to be said in malice: I found it funny you didn't get the Hannibal reference from the A-Team, given your penchant for quoting or retrieving the most bizarre and obscure references I have seen in this forum. I mean, who couldn't forget that line from A-Team?!

. . . I found it funny you didn't get the Hannibal reference from the A-Team, given your penchant for quoting or retrieving the most bizarre and obscure references I have seen in this forum. I mean, who couldn't forget that line from A-Team?!
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I assume you mean, "Who COULD forget that line
from [I]The A-Team?"

Maybe someone who's never watched
a single episode of The A-Team?

Well, I may have tuned it in once or twice.
I think some big black dude was in it.

Pity the foo' who never watch the A-Team!

I assume you mean, "Who COULD forget that line
from The A-Team?"

Oh, don't obfusionate me with yer fancy commandiring of the Engrish language, you heard me you perfessor ivy-league arugula eating elitistite? Middle America could care less about double negitivity. Out here in the reel world we means what we say and we likes what we do, rules be darnified.

Actually I hate arugula.

Oh, but it's such a nice little island!

Actually I hate arugula.

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