That our NASCAR themed board has become nothing but another diecast based sales arena!

Don't get me wrong, I have nothing at all against the folks selling on the NASCAR boards. And why not, not much else is happening on here!

And that's the amazing part...it was not but three or four years ago that the internet...heck the whole diecast world was dominated by NASCAR. Now, it seems to be nothing but the unloading process!

I would like to here the collectors onions on how this shift happened. What led the Diecast replica industry to implode as it has. Was it the business practices of the manufactures over producing? Was it the death of Earnhardt, the driving sales force of all racing diecast? Did collectors burn out on collecting or maybe on NASCAR overall? What do you guys think?

And don't try to make the weak argument that all is fine and it's bigger than ever. If that is your position, you were not a collector in the late 80's and early90's! The diecast world was ruled by NASCAR and nothing else was hardly even out there!

So let's here from you hardcore NASCAR guys...what happened?

Ward

i was an old hardcore nascar fan. around 1999 nascar began it's transition. it slowly has dumped it's base, for high $$ like all other sports. as a result, it left the fans with alot of worthless memorabilia. the "chase" also drove away more hardcore base fans. i bought the stuff because i liked it in the 90's, knowing i'd have to sell it eventually. that eventually is now for me. and it isn't worth much. but then again look at treasure hunts. going off unbid on. never thought i'd see that either.
i haven't spent a penny on nascar in 7 years. i've sold as much as possible, and am still trying. also tossed out many items which just plain have no value, unless you give them away, which i got sick of doing. i found friends waiting for me to donate to good will, and i caught them paying goodwill for the items. so, now, i trash it when i compensate for the losses, which have really hurt.
i also no longer watch nascar. read about it. but refuse to aid in their sponsership.
yet, fools keep spending lots of money on nascar diecast which is like a new car or house these days! it's not worth sqat as soon as you've paid for it. i've offered parents cars from my collection at half what they paid in the store, and they would rather pay $5.00 instead of $2.50. fools.
you see this as a trade board because nascar fans are mostly very narrow minded. most know nothing about, nor care about anything else. so they don't know to look on the trade boards to buy and sell. just here. luckily, i've been able to sell off enough of my other items, as i had hunts, white, greenlights, and more. that i profited enough to cut my losses. but i'm still several 1000.00 in the hole. but that's nothing compared to some i know who've 20 thousand dollars spent on nascar items, worth maybe 20 cents on their dollars. i don't go out of my way to scalp items. but if i am on my way home and find a popular selling item over my cost, i'll buy it and resell. and toss out nascar i can't sell. we all got what we deserved. i'm just using my experience to soften the blow on my pocketbook. soon, it's all going in the trash, and i'll eat the remaining losses.
hope that helps explain. oh, it might be bigger, but it will never be better. each year they made it bigger, but worse to watch.
nascar's glory days are like most other sports, long gone, as you said in the 70's and 80's. and to mid 90's.

you see this as a trade board because nascar fans are mostly very narrow minded. most know nothing about, nor care about anything else. so they don't know to look on the trade boards to buy and sell. .

I know this is a blanket statment, but I do agree with you on it as well!

what happened to NASCAR collectibles? they flooded the market with them. i remember when i started collecting in the mid 90's, it was surprising to see a car with a production run of 5,000. by 2002, the popular driver's cars had production runs of over 100,000. i don't care if there were more people getting interested in NASCAR and buying the merchandise in 2002 as compared to 1995 or not. but in my eyes 100,000 cars in a production run is not collectible. not to mention the fact that the prices of the cars continued to rise, and the quality wasn't that much better.

the last cars that i bought were in 2003. mainly a jeff gordon collector, i waited until the end of the year to buy any of the 2003 cars at a diecast show. i walked out of the place with every 1/24 action car that was made that year for half, or less than half of what i would've paid had i bought them when the first came out.

that doesn't explain why pieces made of jimmy johnson, jeff gordon, and other star drivers, with production runs of 125 total, had to be discounted by rcca to get rid of them. and this is in the last few years. that's not overproduction. that's fans that don't give a darn anymore.

Change of heart Ward? When I said this very thing not that long ago your response was...

Well, I for one have no problem listing them here ( of course, I don't make the rules either!) At least the sell post keeps traffic moving on the otherwise sloooooow Nascar boards! So untill a mod says otherwise...keep em' coming!

And here was the thread I posted...

http://www.hobbytalk.com/bbs1/showthread.php?t=222269

I would like to see some of the new stuff, and even some of the old cool pieces, so to me it is a bit annoying that this is now nothing more than a trade forum. Use the fs forum to sell stuff, it wouldnt be allowed in the other forums so why is it here?

I have literally thousands of nascar die cast sitting in storage, as well as NHRA and very little indy car, that are now worth pretty much nothing. I hope to one day have a room again to display my favorites, but I gladly gave up my room when I had my sons.

I refuse to give cars that I paid $60 each for away for $5 or less. I would rather give them to my boys and let them tear em up, lol. Actually I hve already given them many of my 1:64 scale stuff, so I got my moneys worth out of them just by watching my sons enjoy them.

They made too much of that stuff and who could keep up.
It literally has become a dime a dozen.

Hey MudSlinger, your right, I guess I got weary of it myself. You will note that I still have no problem with it, in fact my second sentence is..."Don't get me wrong, I have nothing at all against the folks selling on the NASCAR boards. And why not, not much else is happening on here!

I just think it is ashame that this is what Nascar collectibles have become. But yes, I admit it has become sad that the Nascar board is nothing but an S&S site. It just took me longer to reach the same point as you.

I still say post them though, as nothing else is happening. But I think that this points to a larger issue and that is what my questions was shoting for...WHY is this the case.

Ward

LOL, it's all good Ward, guess I have a shorter fuse than you do lol, and would like to see this forum with cool cars and not for sale ads, no matter how few threads there are.

I do agree though that it really is a shame what has happened. Some of the Nascar pieces have unbelievable detail, like the Action Elites, the NHRA Action cars are incredible too, with my favorite piece in my collection being my Angele Seeling Winston pro stock motorcycle. WOW, what an awesome piece! Guess people, myself included got tired of spending in excess of $80 for them though. Then with a new paint scheme every other week, it made it a bit more difficult to collect even your favorite driver.

Nascar is killing itself, not just the collectibles. They have gone so corporate that they forgot where they came from, their core base fans, and those fans, myself included are just tired of it. The, it's cool to be a nascar fans, are losing interest and falling off now, and many of the core fans have as well because of the way the series has gone. There was a time when I did not miss a race, now if I see it I see it, if not no biggie. Plus with many of the veteran drivers retiring, if drivers like Kyle Busch are the future of Nascar, I have no use for it at all anymore, imo he sets a terrible example of good sportsmanship

The Chase imo was a huge mistake, for the last third of the year there are only 12 cars running for a purpose, the rest are just taking up space on the track. You could be 13th going in to the chase, win every single race till the end and still not win the cup, just plain stupid. So if your driver has no chance at all, you tend to lose interest in watching the races.

They change the series sponsor so much it's hard to keep up with, Nationwide, Nextel cup, Sprint Cup, wth, to me it will stay Winston Cup, and Busch series.

So I guess it's many reasons that the nascar die cast market is non existant anymore, and as you said, it is a shame. But on another note, if you are in to these die casts, there is an unimaginable number of good deals to be had, but not from me, I'll give mine to friends or my kids first. :thumbsup:

Sorry to say....
It all boils down to the almighty dollar. Like these folks are not making enough as it is. The thing that really ticks me off is not letting the plastic model companies do their thing, which would garantee that NASCAR would be in the forefront. Revell for instance would come out with most of the teams every year, even with new artwork for decals. Now... Yeah right.... We dont have NASCAR's permission to reassure their existance by having a full isle of kits at your local dept store and hobby shop. The effects can be felt already. I used to walk into my shop in town and there was one whole wall of NASCAR. Pick your favorite driver and go build. Sad state of affairs.....

Stephen C.

Same thing in R/C. I used to paint nascar bodies all the time for my R/C cars using Slixx 1/10 scale Nascar decals. Now no one is making the decals anymore due the Nascar liscensing issues. I still have a few sets I stockpiled when Slixx announced they would no longer be making them, but I have lost interest in actually painting the bodies anymore.

Thanks Nascar!

All true staements. But I think a company like Motorsports Authentics is what killed the collectability of alot of the items out there. Remember when the Winner's Circle line had that late 1990's run of Dale Sr. Lifetime Series...well why did it have to be reproduced again a few years back. Doubles of the same car on a different style blister? There are so many paint schemes and drivers who do not have anything produced and it is a shame that it has to be this way. You want collectability then how about you produce every driver, with thier correct sponsors(and produce the alternate paint schemes) in say 250 to 1,000 piece runs. I'm sure you'd see alot happier collectors out there. I now limit my self to a few models every year through ebay. One I dont have the room to display and second I dont have the dough for the $70 models that Motorsports Authentics throws at us.

it's amazing. we had a really intelligent discussion with no one getting upset, and all in pretty much agreement on the entire nascar mess. from the sport itself to the collectables end. i think there are some really good responses on here.

i was an old hardcore nascar fan. around 1999 nascar began it's transition. it slowly has dumped it's base, for high $$ like all other sports. as a result, it left the fans with alot of worthless memorabilia. the "chase" also drove away more hardcore base fans. i bought the stuff because i liked it in the 90's, knowing i'd have to sell it eventually. that eventually is now for me. and it isn't worth much. but then again look at treasure hunts. going off unbid on. never thought i'd see that either.
i haven't spent a penny on nascar in 7 years. i've sold as much as possible, and am still trying. also tossed out many items which just plain have no value, unless you give them away, which i got sick of doing. i found friends waiting for me to donate to good will, and i caught them paying goodwill for the items. so, now, i trash it when i compensate for the losses, which have really hurt.
i also no longer watch nascar. read about it. but refuse to aid in their sponsership.
yet, fools keep spending lots of money on nascar diecast which is like a new car or house these days! it's not worth sqat as soon as you've paid for it. i've offered parents cars from my collection at half what they paid in the store, and they would rather pay $5.00 instead of $2.50. fools.
you see this as a trade board because nascar fans are mostly very narrow minded. most know nothing about, nor care about anything else. so they don't know to look on the trade boards to buy and sell. just here. luckily, i've been able to sell off enough of my other items, as i had hunts, white, greenlights, and more. that i profited enough to cut my losses. but i'm still several 1000.00 in the hole. but that's nothing compared to some i know who've 20 thousand dollars spent on nascar items, worth maybe 20 cents on their dollars. i don't go out of my way to scalp items. but if i am on my way home and find a popular selling item over my cost, i'll buy it and resell. and toss out nascar i can't sell. we all got what we deserved. i'm just using my experience to soften the blow on my pocketbook. soon, it's all going in the trash, and i'll eat the remaining losses.
hope that helps explain. oh, it might be bigger, but it will never be better. each year they made it bigger, but worse to watch.
nascar's glory days are like most other sports, long gone, as you said in the 70's and 80's. and to mid 90's.


I collect NASCAR Diecast and im NOT a fool , so you better watch what ya say man ! I take pride in my cars . And just becuase your tail dont buy them doesnt mean that we all have to do what you do or you call them fools as you so called did . I am assuming you get a kick out of calling folks names becuase of their hobbies . Man you need to grow up JMHO !

Hey guys I think it all started to go down hill when Winston stopped being the main sponsor for NASCAR. I mean when Winston was the sponsor it nascar die hards. Now that a white collar company come in and tried to bring all this technology into nascar with the chase and more races in other countries it really delt a big blow to the die-hard fans. I remember when you could only get diecasts from the races now every store has them. I miss the good old days when you gathered the family in the car and went to the races. Now it cost almost $500 for me and my family to go to watch sat. and sun. That sucks.

i won't reduce myself to your level. your the only one so far that has a problem. seems nascar has ruined itself and it's value, and mad, angry people like you try to defend a useless entity. i can't call it a sport anymore. i and many others let the racing go.
i don't need to grow up. i did. i don't waste money on nascar anymore. you must still continue, which reflects your anger, as nascars base is declining and nascar fights to hang on now.
when the time comes for you to sell it, if you have to, you'll find that it's worth little of what you paid.
nascar itself has become professional wrestling. which i would not allow on my t.v. but am sure you enjoy.
good luck. we know your history from other sites. you loose it, like this, quite a bit.

i won't reduce myself to your level. your the only one so far that has a problem. seems nascar has ruined itself and it's value, and mad, angry people like you try to defend a useless entity. i can't call it a sport anymore. i and many others let the racing go.
i don't need to grow up. i did. i don't waste money on nascar anymore. you must still continue, which reflects your anger, as nascars base is declining and nascar fights to hang on now.
when the time comes for you to sell it, if you have to, you'll find that it's worth little of what you paid.
nascar itself has become professional wrestling. which i would not allow on my t.v. but am sure you enjoy.
good luck. we know your history from other sites. you loose it, like this, quite a bit.


i dont give a ***** if you know my history or not man . Its no secret that you are one of the MANY folks who have prevoked my anger onto people ! Just remember that part PAL !:wave:

Hey guys I think it all started to go down hill when Winston stopped being the main sponsor for NASCAR.
yup.... ya just gotta love what brian france has done with the sport since he took the reigns. :rolleyes:

And don't get me started on those tuner looking COTs. I have not watched one race in it's entirety this year, first time in many many years.

A friend recently summed up the whole NASCAR experience in one easy phrase...

" I was a huge fan of Big Bill's NASCAR, Little Bill's version was OK, but I don't care at all for Brian's version of NASCAR."

I was not really looking for just a NASCAR opinion, I was after your insight into the collectible aspect of the sport. But I think I now I think I see the point that you are all making, that the two are directly linked together.

As for the body of NASCAR in general, I am not interested in a spec series. In fact, did they not notice that IROC is gone? Did we really need a bigger version of it? There are so many forms of motorsports that encourage engineering and innovation to waist my time on NASCAR.

This issue is one of the reason that in road racing, I lean on th ALMS series over the Grand Am series. Grand Am is very spec bases, while the Le Mans series is MUCH more open to creativity. If you want to go faster, build a better car!

The good old days of NASCAR are far behind us. And with the marketing structure in place now guiding the body, those days are not going to return. Some GREAT drivers, but trapped in scripted series. (No, I don't mean rigged, but the presentation is flawless and planned down to the last second).

krazy,
everyone provokes your anger. you need anger management help. it shows on the websites i see you on.
and referring to me as your pal is nothing but a redneck, hillbilly statement used by one who represents that lifestyle, which is one of many reasons i left nascar. you represent the fans i want nothing to do with. your motto....grab a beer and get in a fight, or so drunk you can't walk. i saw to much of that in the 4 races i attended, and would never go near a race track again.
i have no "pals" with your temperment, vocabulary or lack of maturity.
feel free to continue your tantrum...........let everyone see who you really are. i'm out on this one. got better people to work with.

I was not really looking for just a NASCAR opinion, I was after your insight into the collectible aspect of the sport. But I think I now I think I see the point that you are all making, that the two are directly linked together.


I completely agree with this. If you no longer enjoy the sport, then you won't be buying the die cast cars from the sport. If you are not an indy car fan or an NHRA fan, are you going to buy those die casts, most likely not. Just as with other die cast, if you hate mustangs, your not going to buy mustangs, if you love AMXs, you most likely will get all the different versions you can find. ;)

On another note. I really don't see the new corporate nascar fans as die cast collectors. They may buy one or two to put on their desk until they get bored with the sport. But I really don't see the "new" nascar fans collecting die cast cars in the quantities that many of us have.

Kwik and Krazy, please take your argument to pm's, it's ruining a great discussion.

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On another note. I really don't see the new corporate nascar fans as die cast collectors. They may buy one or two to put on their desk until they get bored with the sport. But I really don't see the "new" nascar fans collecting die cast cars in the quantities that many of us have.


Very good point. I have thought about this statment and I belive it to be profound! 10 years ago, there was a nascar store on every corner...why? Because they had a market and made money.

Today....no stores anywhere. And we're here having a discussion about the fallen value of the diecast.

BUT Nascar is STILL racing, just not selling the cars like they did because the new fan is not the collectors of old.

Very good point indeed.:thumbsup:

Ward