could this be a future motor. will,we be using in the near future?
guy's don't beat me up!...... just askin!!

what do ya think?



Engine Stats: Displacement: 22.5cc. Power: 2.8HP @14,000 RPM. Torque: 1.3 ft/lbs @10,000 RPM. Timing:30 degrees BTDC @ 8,000 RPM. Compression Ratio: 8.9:1. Fuel: 91 octane (using the R+M/2 octane rating method) or higher mixed 25:1 with 2-stroke oil.

We are already working on it. Have two of them and are already testing them.

what's different from the other motor. other, than the the head bolts being 4?
crank, piston and ring? totally different all together?

case and cyl. is the differance. The port timing is off from the 230.

crank the same?

The piston, rod, ring, and crank are the same as the 230. The engine will have a better seal at the cyl. case area. That will keep people from blowing gaskets.

jeff, seen your website has got some kind of heart beat now.....lol! lol! :thumbsup:

Yeap, Its still in ICU. LOLjeff, seen your website has got some kind of heart beat now.....lol! lol! :thumbsup:

According to Dave's Motors, Zenoah has no intentions of discontinuing the 230RC anytime soon.

Any results from the tests that you can share? Do they meet the specs that Zenoah has posted?
Engine Stats: Displacement: 22.5cc. Power: 2.8HP @14,000 RPM. Torque: 1.3 ft/lbs @10,000 RPM. Timing:30 degrees BTDC @ 8,000 RPM. Compression Ratio: 8.9:1. Fuel: 91 octane (using the R+M/2 octane rating method) or higher mixed 25:1 with 2-stroke oil.

Will QSAC be going to this engine in 2009?
We are already working on it. Have two of them and are already testing them.

I've never experienced a 230 having a blown head gasket myself or known of anyone at LPR. Is this a common with the 230RC?
The engine will have a better seal at the cyl. case area. That will keep people from blowing gaskets.

I seen one this year blow a head gasket , the motor had idle problems ,he got it out and we found that the head gasket has broke and was hanging out of the block, thought it was carb problems at first or the new style block. Robert :thumbsup:

my head gasket was blown ran it 3 times it was brand new

my head gasket was blown ran it 3 times it was brand new
you should look at the fuel you run thru it

It blew three times or you ran it three times while it was blown?my head gasket was blown ran it 3 times it was brand new

One is not bad considering the abuse that the engines are put thru:thumbsup: I seen one this year blow a head gasket , the motor had idle problems ,he got it out and we found that the head gasket has broke and was hanging out of the block, thought it was carb problems at first or the new style block. Robert :thumbsup:

my head gasket was blown ran it 3 times it was brand new

Don't you mean your base gasket! There is no head on the 230 Will. If you are blowing base gaskets, there is something else going on inside that engine like a worn cylinder wall, piston, ring, wrist pin, wrist pin bearing or may there may be a foriegn substance in your fuel?

With Will, I'll go for the fuel. LOL

I had one on my sprint this year right after I bought it. Thought it was carb issues tried different carbs, so Fred "the man" Murry lent me another motor to run while he checked it out and fixed it. Blew the gasket at the base of the jug where it meets the base pushed out in about a 1/2" area. Really have to watch how it is tightened when changing to make sure one side doesn't get tightened more.

Joey

Any results from the tests that you can share? Do they meet the specs that Zenoah has posted?
Engine Stats: Displacement: 22.5cc. Power: 2.8HP @14,000 RPM. Torque: 1.3 ft/lbs @10,000 RPM. Timing:30 degrees BTDC @ 8,000 RPM. Compression Ratio: 8.9:1. Fuel: 91 octane (using the R+M/2 octane rating method) or higher mixed 25:1 with 2-stroke oil.

Will QSAC be going to this engine in 2009?


I've never experienced a 230 having a blown head gasket myself or known of anyone at LPR. Is this a common with the 230RC?

Don't forget to derate the specifications because of the restrictor plates that we use. HP will be almost 1/2 of rated.

All right i'll fire the first shot, the new engine looks like a good replacement engine for the GN class.

Yep, I'm also pretty should they didn't use the same carb configuration we do either.Don't forget to derate the specifications because of the restrictor plates that we use. HP will be almost 1/2 of rated.

Well, I don't see forcing the issue since the 230RC is still in production... no need for the GN guys to pay the difference in price if the performance is the same:thumbsup:All right i'll fire the first shot, the new engine looks like a good replacement engine for the GN class.

Don't you mean your base gasket! There is no head on the 230 Will. If you are blowing base gaskets, there is something else going on inside that engine like a worn cylinder wall, piston, ring, wrist pin, wrist pin bearing or may there may be a foriegn substance in your fuel?ok mr.expert new engine i have ran 2 types of fuel 100 octane and c16 i actual think it was put togther poorly:wave:

There is a simple cure for the cylinder coming loose and blowing the base gskt out.

I have never lost a base plate gskt on any of my engines or for others i have built. Humm!!!

What does any one want to go to 4 bolt motor. HP. Restrictor plate Humm. Or is it people want to start what RUINED Electric. Motor of the month club.

I agree with Tim Mc. Be happy with the G-230 till it is discontinued. can you spell how many great motors would go in the trash can. and for What????

ok mr.expert new engine i actual think it was put togther poorly:wave:

WILLYPLUNKEROONIEHEAD!!!!! Say what,Put together poorly? Well I ain't never!!!!! LMBO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:woohoo:

They are still plenty of G230RC engines and lots of parts. We are just testing the new engine so when it comes time we will know alittle about the new engine. I like the G230RC better as of what we have found. We will still be test in just to see what we can come up with. The G230RC has a longer power band than the new 240. It will be a few years I think before we make any changes.

cant go wrong with that paul hill HP but there is nothing going to change or replaced the 230 will be around for awhile QSAC stays on top of R&D any giveing time they can stop production of a current motor and go to something else dont think it will happen but might as well test so QSAC can make sure we go in the right direction

Is Randy Brown conducting the testing?They are still plenty of G230RC engines and lots of parts. We are just testing the new engine so when it comes time we will know alittle about the new engine. I like the G230RC better as of what we have found. We will still be test in just to see what we can come up with. The G230RC has a longer power band than the new 240. It will be a few years I think before we make any changes.

What does any one want to go to 4 bolt motor. HP. Restrictor plate Humm. Or is it people want to start what RUINED Electric. Motor of the month club.

I agree with Tim Mc. Be happy with the G-230 till it is discontinued. can you spell how many great motors would go in the trash can. and for What????


BINGO
Well put Slider

ok mr.expert new engine i have ran 2 types of fuel 100 octane and c16 i actual think it was put togther poorly:wave:
I think your right Will....it was treated poorly

Most Head gaskets leaks that i see is due to the 2 bolt main not torque to specs or head bolts backing out. Vibration is a big problem with these motors and head bolts need to be check every so often. A good sealant will solve this problem to a point.

The new 240RC motor is your basic 230RC motor with no improvements in hp and torque values. have been looking into these motor's to run in our carts this winter and according to the information i receive from ESP is that he is not impress with the numbers. With the 4 bolt design you should be able to torque the head bolts not even without cylinder rock and the new re-design manifold gaskets will help with leaks around the that area also. With RPM's that we will be turning in our karts the 4 bolt design should keep the cylinder from twisting or turning during the run.

THe G230RC will be around a long time and hate to see extra expence for the qsac drivers to pay for the 240RC

Mike
www.willmannracingproducts.com

I agree with all of you guys. With any luck, by the time the 230 goes away (if it goes), the 240 will be in the economy range of what we are paying now.

my head gasket was blown ran it 3 times it was brand new



if you ran it 3 times how is it brand new? c'mon willl is that an alabama thing :freak:

on a serious note i agree the 230 will be around for a long time and we need to be happy with it. i've never had a head gasket blow..has been very dependable and predictable for the 5 years i've been in 1\4 scale!:thumbsup:

i have had 2 brand new motors, at different times fired up ran 1 time blew gaskets. for me though i'd say 2 motors out of 6. i regasket every new motor now. i haven't had my hands on one yet, don't need too.... just curious!
i had figured mr. davis had been diesecting one anyway!!!! lol! lol!

Most Head gaskets leaks that i see is due to the 2 bolt main not torque to specs or head bolts backing out. Vibration is a big problem with these motors and head bolts need to be check every so often. A good sealant will solve this problem to a point.

The new 240RC motor is your basic 230RC motor with no improvements in hp and torque values. have been looking into these motor's to run in our carts this winter and according to the information i receive from ESP is that he is not impress with the numbers. With the 4 bolt design you should be able to torque the head bolts not even without cylinder rock and the new re-design manifold gaskets will help with leaks around the that area also. With RPM's that we will be turning in our karts the 4 bolt design should keep the cylinder from twisting or turning during the run.

THe G230RC will be around a long time and hate to see extra expence for the qsac drivers to pay for the 240RC

Mike
www.willmannracingproducts.com



mike, you have pm

C'mon allow the 240's now!!!! And I'll buy your 230's for $5.00 each and beat ya with 'em LOL:woohoo:

Don't blame me for trying to get my motors cheap.LOL:wave:

Yeap, we have been diesecting.LOL;)
We have been all the way through them and put them back together and ran some test. Randy and I have ran them on two different dyno's and both say the same thing. The G230 has a wider power band than the G240. No gain maybe a little less on the torque side. I have a G230 that will run circles around the new G240. I will stay with the 230 as long as I can.:thumbsup:
i have had 2 brand new motors, at different times fired up ran 1 time blew gaskets. for me though i'd say 2 motors out of 6. i regasket every new motor now. i haven't had my hands on one yet, don't need too.... just curious!
i had figured mr. davis had been diesecting one anyway!!!! lol! lol!

if you ran it 3 times how is it brand new? c'mon willl is that an alabama thing :freak:

on a serious note i agree the 230 will be around for a long time and we need to be happy with it. i've never had a head gasket blow..has been very dependable and predictable for the 5 years i've been in 1\4 scale!:thumbsup:

Nope! That's a Will Thang!:wave::wave:LOL,LOL

And I am happy with it but the carb now that's another story.

Nope! That's a Will Thang!:wave::wave:LOL,LOL

And I am happy with it but the carb now that's another story.you sounded alot better being technical you might want to go back to that makes you sound like you know what you are doing:thumbsup:

Hi guys,I have been watching your thread with interest.I have been running the G240 for a few months now & found that the carby gaskets were rubbish.I have fitted a taller insulator block with the white plastic /teflon type gaskets & had no trouble since.The motor is great & I have had to radically alter my gear ratios form about 5.35-1 to about 4.88- 1 to handle the difference.
I think the biggest difference is actually the Walbro 813 carby.It has a pump where the G230 didn't have this feature.The problem we now have is fuel economy as we run 30 minute finals in National & state comps here in Australia & no fuel stops allowed.So we either have to try the old carbys off the 230 or run G230's.The base gasket problem seems to be fixed on the G240 ,but it's a bit soon to be sure.The 4 bolt head is a great improvement.I hope this helps you in some way.
GG

Hi guys,I have been watching your thread with interest.I have been running the G240 for a few months now & found that the carby gaskets were rubbish.I have fitted a taller insulator block with the white plastic /teflon type gaskets & had no trouble since.The motor is great & I have had to radically alter my gear ratios form about 5.35-1 to about 4.88- 1 to handle the difference.
I think the biggest difference is actually the Walbro 813 carby.It has a pump where the G230 didn't have this feature.The problem we now have is fuel economy as we run 30 minute finals in National & state comps here in Australia & no fuel stops allowed.So we either have to try the old carbys off the 230 or run G230's.The base gasket problem seems to be fixed on the G240 ,but it's a bit soon to be sure.The 4 bolt head is a great improvement.I hope this helps you in some way.
GG


QSAC has a list of carbs. that we must run. (not the stock ones that come on the motors) GN, Sprint and Truck run a 10.5 plate, and Sportsman must use the 8.5 plate. Page 20.

http://www.qsac.org/pdfs/2008/2008%20QSAC%20Rulebook-8-4-08.pdf

QSAC has a list of carbs. that we must run. (not the stock ones that come on the motors) GN, Sprint and Truck run a 10.5 plate, and Sportsman must use the 8.5 plate. Page 20.

http://www.qsac.org/pdfs/2008/2008%20QSAC%20Rulebook-8-4-08.pdf

Thanks for that,I suppose it is too much to ask if anyone has found one that gives the same grunt that the 813A has with the G240 ,but with better economy.We are trying to get the right combo to get the max speed & still run 30 minutes.The Last big meet here was Queensland Nats 2 weeks ago & I am told that half the finalists ran out of fuel.
Its great to get to a final through 20 minute heats,but what's the point of knocking everyout of the heats with a combo that wont do the runtime of the final.
It sucks for the other guys who would have been able to run the 30 minutes.

man i would love to go australia and race that would kick a$$ gardey we run what the rules say but there are some great & smart racers on here not shure who could tell you but i know great minds are at work

man i would love to go australia and race that would kick a$$ gardey we run what the rules say but there are some great & smart racers on here not shure who could tell you but i know great minds are at work
Will
you make it so easy and tempting, but i will let this opportunity pass

Will
you make it so easy and tempting, but i will let this opportunity passwell there was one person nnnnnnnnaaaaaaaa maybe old racenut53 can remember who it was LOL:wave:

Love to have you here dudes,but it aint a bus ride!!!
WE are having some clubs suffering because of whinging neighbours & noise & all that crap.Shot gun to the ears would fix em!!!
Getting back to the G240 donk tho,I have just been talking to a Guru down here Don Clark who has invented his own dyno for the 2 stroke motors.(he has a website http://www.gohawk.com.au/ & he is one clever old bugger.He tells me that the G240 also has different porting,so there is more than I thought,but he says the bigshots on the main comps are still running out of gas.So we have some work to do.
The "'Gohawk ''gear is awesome he has turntable lifts for 1/5th scale cars that are awesome to work with & also has laser wheel aligners that I have been using for some time now.If you haven't seen one,they will blow you away.The accuracy is unbelievable.The degree marks are about 1 centimeter wide which means you can adjust you cambers & toe ins to anything you want.
i.e.rear toe in can be set to 2.3 degrees & camber -1.4 degrees.
You can set up the cars for maximum steering & tyre wear to the poofteenth degree.I reckon the y are worth every cent .But they aint cheap.The table sells for around $450au & the aligner around $500 au.(I have fitted a 12 volt gel cell to the bottom of the turntable with Deans plugs to plug the laser into.)
But the handling difference is amazing & leaves everyone else behind wondering how you get such great handling.
Sorrry to gabble on.:wave::wave:

gabble on mate we will listen its fun to here what the rest of the world is doing:thumbsup:

if races are getting complants use reasonable set times my track has a curfew to keep the peace

Will what did I do now?:thumbsup:

nothing he was just looking for some of the parts that you needed i cant remember who had them LOL

gabble on mate we will listen its fun to here what the rest of the world is doing:thumbsup:
plankerhead

did you just say MATE? :drunk: