Hello everyone, the Hooter Chassis Outlaw Tour is getting geared up for it's 2008 - 2009 season. The first race will be here before you know it.

The Tour will continue with the Spec Truck & EDM Gearbox classes this year. The schedule will be a little less hectic so hope everyone can make every race!

The 3 classes are then as follows:
4 Cell Stock - Pan Cars
Spec Truck
EDM (Gearbox)

For rules governing these classes please vist our website http://www.hooteroutlawtour.com

2008 - 2009 Race Schedule:

Sept. 20th - Freddie's Hobbies
Oct. 18th - Erie RC Raceway
Nov. 15th - Lucky 13 CB Club
Dec. 20th - JTs RC Raceway
Jan. 1st - Bull Dog RC Club
Feb. 21st - Hobbytown USA Boardman, Ohio
Mar. 21st - JTs RC Raceway
April. 18th - Racers Edge RC Racing & Hobbies
April 25th - BANQUET - VFW Post # 470 - Erie, PA

Sponsors and posters are currently being worked on. If you would like to renew you sponsorship or be a new sponsor please contact Glen at Hooter Chassis & Hobby (http://www.angelfire.com/pa/hootchas/)

For locations of the tracks, viewing our sponsors and other information about the tour please be sure to visit the Hooter Outlaw Tour (http://www.hooteroutlawtour.com) website.

Thanks!

I don't know who's taking care of the website or if Glen has informed them but our race needs to be taken off the website. I'm still looking for a place to race this winter and don't want to stick you guys with nowhere to race on April 18th! I told Glen about this but maybe he hasn't passed it along?

Hi I update the website, I guess it was not 100% certain about you not having a place so the date has been left there for now since it is so far out in the furture.

If you would like me to remove it I definately can though, just let me know.

Thanks

Yes why don't you take our race off the schedule/website. I'm not seeing anything in the forseeable future as far as a place to race and heard last week they wouldn't be letting us use the place we have for the last 7 years even if we wanted to. :( I would just rather the race be moved to another track right now so everybody know's where they'll be racing this season than it coming down to time for the race and then it has to be moved and everybody informed. I hate to do it but I believe it's necassary.........

Sorry to here that Rick, you had a great little track. Always had fun up there!

I will talk to Glen and we will get the schedule updated.

Thanks, maybe you could get down to one of the events. The new years day race is always a blast, racing and food all day long! Can't ask for anything more than that! :thumbsup:

Oh I plan to make a few of the races. Just because we won't be racing doesn't mean I'm quitting! :D I love going to the race at Bulldog just for the reason you mentioned.........mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.........foood. :lol:

C'mon let's get this thread goin', It's gettin' close to race day.

I don't have enough room on my car for all the lead required to make the new EDM weight.:(

I don't have enough room on my car for all the lead required to make the new EDM weight.:(

I heard that, But it makes it more equal, because "SOME" cars were very light! Maybe I should run a stock b3 buggy in edm with rubber tires, They would change the rules for me.......wouldn't they??

Play nice now fellas. :D I haven't got mine completed yet to see what it weighs unfortunatly.

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Just thought I would chime in. I hope the Tour race goes well this year. I got to run a couple races last year and had fun. But what is all the problem with the weight of the cars? Every big race/touring series/local racing has a weight rule. If your car does not pass tech for weight then you get DQ'ed, plain and simple. I saw the new designed cars and really liked the idea of the flexibilty of them and their design. If that chassis or any other chassis will not allow you to meet weight, then you have to add the lead. The lighter chassis' actually have a advantage of being able to place the needed weight where the drivers wants it. That can really help get the car get hooked up. Hope we can all have fun this season.

Take care,
Dale

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Just thought I would chime in. I hope the Tour race goes well this year. I got to run a couple races last year and had fun. But what is all the problem with the weight of the cars? Every big race/touring series/local racing has a weight rule. If your car does not pass tech for weight then you get DQ'ed, plain and simple. I saw the new designed cars and really liked the idea of the flexibilty of them and their design. If that chassis or any other chassis will not allow you to meet weight, then you have to add the lead. The lighter chassis' actually have a advantage of being able to place the needed weight where the drivers wants it. That can really help get the car get hooked up. Hope we can all have fun this season.

Take care,
Dale





We know about weight rules, the point of a problem is the min. weight was raised because of the CCS cars having a "unfair advantage" and being "too light" Alot of engineering and thought went into the chassis, and to have to add a 1/4 lb of lead is a bit much, it was 2 ozs lighter minimum last year, Any car can be made lighter in one way or another, I just don't feel punishing some one who has done his home work is the correct way to go about it, and the other racers how carry 4 feet of extra wire and a shoe box speedo, and the edm body with 5 coats of paint doesn't have any adjusting to do, I race in some truck classes where the min. is 4 ozs. lighter! who ever is running a CCS chassis will have to experiment on weight placement to improve handling, that's not the original plan for the chassis, last year ALL CARS went through tech and all made weight, it just seems that CCS is being singled out, thats all......

and the edm body with 5 coats of paint

Hey I resemble that comment! :D I've never been afraid to put the paint to a body that's for sure. :lol:

Don't want to get into the middle of this but I ran a custom works car, the "off the shelf" standard for this class. What is wrong with basing the weight rules off the "standard". With a clear body and wire stretched so tight you play a tune on it you still will be heavier than a CCS car.

Basically you guys had a sort of a "loophole" last year with your design, the rule makers realized this as a possible "unfair" advantage based on whats available "off the shelf" and responded to it.

I don't care one way or the other personally, even with my 5 coats of paint I was starting to get the car figured out late last year and felt I was being competative in the last few races. So I am not trying to disagree with you I am only posing a view from the other side.

Can't wait to hit the carpet with you guys! 2 Weeks! :thumbsup:

Don't want to get into the middle of this but I ran a custom works car, the "off the shelf" standard for this class. What is wrong with basing the weight rules off the "standard". With a clear body and wire stretched so tight you play a tune on it you still will be heavier than a CCS car.

Basically you guys had a sort of a "loophole" last year with your design, the rule makers realized this as a possible "unfair" advantage based on whats available "off the shelf" and responded to it.

I don't care one way or the other personally, even with my 5 coats of paint I was starting to get the car figured out late last year and felt I was being competative in the last few races. So I am not trying to disagree with you I am only posing a view from the other side.

Can't wait to hit the carpet with you guys! 2 Weeks! :thumbsup:



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The only thing I what to mention is, NOWHERE ELSE do edm rules run so heavy, last year ALL cars had to make the weight, I have a terminator that weighs the same, and I know of 1 gbx car that is as light as a ccs car, what cars were used as a base line?

Dunno, I did not make the rule nor did I have any input. I was just "palying the devils advocate".... :)

I think what is done is done for this year, mabye next year a bit more thought will be put into it.

I think next year will bring a lot of change, the whole brushless/battery thing that continues to brew...

Maybe a little more input from ALL racers should be considered, I hope that this back fires with the extra weight and a ccs car is on top again, because there is a few more of them out there this year, that says something in itself.

I only wish there were more stops on the tour, with a lipo brushless change, you will see an explosion of racers, can't wait, See ya at freddie's Kevin.

I ran a Terminator and also had to add 2 oz of lead to make last year's weight. In gearbox, Terminators should actually be the "standard". If you go to a dirt oval race anywhere in the northeast, I dare you to find more than 1 Custom Works GBX in the field.

Actually I really wish you guys would go brushless & lipo. I really do not want to buy any more NIMH cells....ever! Of course, with a Lipo, I'd need to add 6 oz!

Next year the brushless lipo thing will be for sure, it will have to be or the tour will fade in to nothing.

There was talk about it already up at JT's this weekend and I for sure am a strong proponent of it.

I do think it is good that it is being approached with caution though since this stuff is expensive to buy, and if the rules are not all sorted out before hand that means you have to buy stuff twice... I know cause I have Orion 3200 Carbon Edition batteries but I see that BRL has adopted the SMC 3200, now I have to buy another battery.... Oh well. At least I have my ESCs and motors and those will virtually last forever. I will just use my Orions for club racing.

Let's remember it's all about havin' fun! :)

Oh and if anyone of you have any secrets about shedding some weight from the GBX please do share! :woohoo:

Kevin.......I won't be running my stock GBX chassis this year as I had Tim cut me a one off slider chassis for it instead but before I decided on that I did a little experimenting. I shortened the stock one up in the front, got rid of the 3 foot of graphite sticking out there. :lol: I had done that last year and made my own bumper. From there I cut a 1/2" slot down the center and rounded the ends. Then I narrowed up the front and rear sections of the chassis to (I believe) 1-3/4". I was also going to do a little work under the battery tray but didn't get to that. Can't remember now how much weight it did lose doing this but it also seemed to help with a little more flex in the chassis which seems as though it would help handling. I'll get a picture today and post it so you can see what I did. If you already don't have them, aluminum outdrives/drive shafts help shed weight (I don't have the driveshafts yet though), and Tim makes a graphite motor mount plate too. I almost forgot. I cut the graphite piece that holds the rear body posts down to just in front of the aluminum standoff above the tranny. Any "extra" material you can do away with with a dremel will get you lower in weight. :)

I would kind of agree with Paul though even though I have a GBX myself that the "standard" should probably be based to a "stock" Terminator.

Oh and if anyone of you have any secrets about shedding some weight from the GBX please do share! :woohoo:

Most cars have too much weight in their bodys. Also, I'd recommend the Leading Edge chassis plate for the GBX...or a conversion to a Putnam Pro-Car: http://www.dirtoval.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29547

Yeah I was looking at that Putnam conversion. Do you have a link where to find the Leading Edge chassis plate for me to look at.

Like I said i was pretty happy with it last year so I was gonna stick with it. Some point through the year i was gonna go to a CCS B3 or B4 conversion like Kevin runs. I just did not want to start the season in unfamiliar territory...

Thanks!

Kevin B

Hi Rick,

A picture of your work would be awesome, I saw where someone makes a slider chassis for the GBX, I have the link at home.

I really want to work with what I have, I think it ran quite well, the biggest help was switching to pan car tires.

Dave W is getting my car from last year, I am sure he will spank me with it, and I am going to build a clone to it. Making your chassis mods might just be what it needs!

You say you removed that front section, do you still run a wing out front? I am sort of a tinkerer so I would like to see your mods and maybe give them a go.

Thanks

Kevin B

Just Google Leading Edge r/c. I think they still sell the thing.

First of all to address the Leading Edge thing. I was told they haven't cut any of those chassis in over a year so they aren't available (dunno if you could get him to cut one or not) as that's what I originally wanted. :(

CCS makes a slider chassis for the GBX. I just had Tim cut mine a little different than what they normally are. Find below a pic of what I did with the stock chassis. I did some measuring and the slot is actually about 11/16" and could go bigger as long as you leave room for radio gear. I actually used a couple of the mounting holes for the battery tray (if you move it toward the center) as a straight edge to do the cut. Like I said you could also remove some material under the battery tray. The front and rear sections where the suspension mounts I cut down to 1-3/4". You could go narrower yet in the rear but the arm mounts are right at the edge of the chassis in the front. I cut the length down to 13-1/4" by removing a lot of the graphite in the front. I run my wheelbase short and if you never wanted to run it long you could take even a little more off the front. This chassis just the way it sits here weighs 4.6 oz. Almost forgot, I don't run a front wing but am going to try and rig one up to run on the bumper. Hope that helps.

There is also a pic of my completed CCS GBX slider. I just got it completed today so I could see where I was on weight. I had Tim shorten the front up and narrow the front and rear like my stock chassis (1-3/4"). Tim had told me I probably wouldn't save a whole lot of weight with the GBX parts (for some reason the parts are heavier than the B3/B4 I guess) but as it sits ready to go with a 4200 pack in it, it needs 3 oz to make weight. I'm not as bad off as some of you other guys afterall but I still have to find a place to put it. :lol:

Thanks Rick, looks good. I have a few things to think about now....

any chance of brushless this year we ran them together in rochester all winter last year and they where very similar. I would like to run your series b/c I am only about 2 hours away. I think every other club runs brushless but I did not see them allowed in your rules.

thanks
Kyle

not going to happen Kyle. I think it was brought up and shot down for this year.

I believe next year AT LEAST pancar will be brushless. I'm sure they will at the least have to consider it strongly with the pancar/brushless thing getting so big.

I'd like to run a few of your races as well. Would you consider a separate class for 21.5brushless/lipo pan.
I thought most pan racers switch to brushless last season, and for this season it'll be lipo's..

We're running a 21.5/lipo class at JT's (formerly Craftworld) in Falconer. I might still slap in a stocker and 4 cell when the tour stops in.

Steve B......I think most all the tracks the tour goes to will be open to running another class, if they don't already offer 21.5/lipo. All the tracks the tour runs at normally still run the classes they offer week to week.

We have been trying to get a 21.5 or some brushless/LIPO class going for over a year now, Dave, Ryan Chuck and myself tried to get people interested in this all season year at clubs races. We are trying to push it again this year, at least we have the backing of the local tracks this year... :thumbsup:

Is everyone gearing up for the first tour race?

I'm going to blow the dust off and replace the dried out cracked foams i forgot to bag over the winter on the car and spec truck and try to make the c-mains

Swing down by the basement tomorrow night and blow the dust off by running some practice laps.

Looking forward to the first race at Freddie's! Jay you gonna run that EDM you got from Glen? I ended up with a used terminator for now. Seems to run pretty good. I think everyone is stepping it up a notch this year, we'll have to see how it goes.

Can't do the practice yet, stupid work always getting in the way. Should have the cars ready friday night, just need to build a couple of 4cell batteries and cut some foams. After this race should have time to rebuild the cars and figure out what i'm doing with the EDM. Who all is running what on Saturday?

What time is racing starting at Freddie's?
Thanks!
Kid

Kinda late to be telling you this I guess but I believe tour rules state 1PM.

No Problem Rick! Thanks!
Kid

First race in the books! Thanks Freddie for havin' us! :thumbsup:

And the winners were? :)

I'll predict.......hmmmm...

4cell - Dave Ward
Spec truck - Dave Ward
EDM - Kevin Allen

How close am I? :D

No Rick, your close but no cigar

4 cell-- Bird dog
Spec truck--Dave Ward
EDM--Dave Ward

A broken camber link was a definite problem for me, maybe next time.

So we have Dave to contend with in the EDM class now too? Looks like I'll be back yet another space in the standings. :lol: So how'd the CCS chassis' show? :)

I sold Dave my old custom works car.... I want it back! ;) Here is what I know about the results (Brands I know for EDM and 4 Cell in parenthesis)


EDM

1A 2 55 4:03.25 David Ward (Custom Works)
2A 5 54 4:03.93 Bird Dog (?)
3A 3 54 4:04.21 Howard Kemery (?)
4A 4 53 4:01.96 Garrett Allen (CCS)
5A 7 49 4:03.06 Kevin Brocki (Kranzel Terminator)
6A 1 32 2:36.69 Kevin Allen (CCS) (TQ)
7A 6 11 4:21.16 Mark Mclntosh (?)
1B 2 51 4:02.93 Rob Aue (?)
2B 6 48 4:02.03 Tim DiPenti (CCS)
3B 3 47 4:01.60 Timmy Territo (?)
4B 4 45 4:02.78 Don Davis (Custom Works)
5B 1 23 2:07.35 Glen Singleton (Custom Works)
6B 5 8 1:29.19 John Acker (Custom Works)

4 Cell

1 6 54 4:00.63 Bird Dog (?)
2 2 54 4:04.39 kevin Brocki (IRS)
3 1 53 4:02.05 Ryan Merrow (HyperDrive) (TQ)
4 3 52 4:04.02 Howard Kemery (?)
5 5 51 4:04.56 Dave Ward (KSG)
6 4 46 4:02.78 Jason Ore (Custom Works)
7 8 20 1:36.92 J.T. Miller (?)
8 7 3 0:28.22 Kevin Newell (?)

Spec NasTruck

1 1 47 4:04.20 Dave Ward (TQ)
2 2 45 4:05.48 Jason Ore
3 6 41 4:01.06 Don Davis
4 5 41 4:05.34 John Acker
5 4 40 4:03.55 Chuck Thompson
6 7 38 4:03.98 Helen Singleton
7 3 27 2:27.81 Kevin Newell

So we have Dave to contend with in the EDM class now too? Looks like I'll be back yet another space in the standings. :lol: So how'd the CCS chassis' show? :)



Not too bad, out of the top 6 qualifying spots. 3 were CCS cars! 2 sliders and 1 solid chassis, It will be interesting this year, some new faces.

all i know is alittle less about the weight and run them so what if you are slow because of adding weight. the class a supposed to be a fun class not about my car is to heavy because i added weight. my car last year was what the weight is now and i still was able to stay with everyone just my opinion on this.try to look at having fun not being the winner, yeah everyone wants to win but rules are set to keep things in perspective so everyone is equal

OH, we are so equal it's scary, and as far as fun? I can't hardly contain myself!

I had a great time running in the EDM class. I ran Glen's car once up at Bulldog last year or the year before and I liked it then. That was the only time I had raced one until this past weekend. I had a blast racing that class. I wish I had started racing in that class a few years ago.

I wanted to get an EDM this year, but I wasn't planning on getting one until later in the year. Kevin told me about his Custom Works and I figured that if I got that car, I could make the first tour race with it. Kevin B. had the car set up really good for me when I bought it.