Since the outdoor cap season is coming to an end....it is time to think about the upcoming carpet season, so I am starting this thread. The first bit of controversy is the battery choice for the 21.5/lipo class. There seems to be three camps (maybe more), but we will only address 2 choices this upcoming season. One camp wants to stay w/ only Orion. The next Camp wants to stay w/ only SMC (this is not a choice) and the last (the compromise camp), wants to allow both Orion and SMC. Since most folks ran the Orion 3200 for the past year (it started midway last carpet season) and it was the battery that the outdoor class ran this year and many folks have them……we will be staying with Orion 3200s. For those buying new here is the scenario: the Orion 3200s are being replaced by the Orion 3400s, while some folks voice that they want to run the SMC 3200. There IS only 2 choices to vote on. Choice 1 will be the Orion 3400s. Choice 2 will allow both the Orion 3400s and the SMC 3200s only (this allows those running the BRL to have only one battery to buy). The other BL/lipo classes 13.5, 17.5 and LateModel (if they choose to make the switch) will have a separate vote. This vote is for the folks that run the 21.5 lipo class (and I know who you are). Remember the choices are: Choice 1 the Orion 3400s only. Choice 2 will allow both the Orion 3400s and the SMC 3200s only. What do you say?

LD

I vote for Option 2 but can you still run the orion 3200 if there not bad yet? Jason Van Hise.

I say BITE ME

I say option 2, allowing both should be fine. It seems most of the midwest, Iowa, Illinois, Michigan and Indiana will be going by the BRL rules(SMC) from everyone I've talked to so I think allowing the SMC3200 is the best way to keep everyone on the same page. The good thing about the SMC is Danny has guaranteed it to be around for a few years. We cant say for certain how long the Orion will be around especially since most the rules for races are being written for either 3200's or 5000 max. That leaves the Orion 3400 in an odd place, and I dont think we want to be in the same spot come next spring if Orion suddenly realizes they arent selling many 3400's and discontinues them.

I agree with Hays Jr that we should go with option #2, The Orion 3200 is on the way out and the SMC pack is going to be the choice of the BRL. Danny has guarented the pack to be around, Orion is an unknown for how long there pack will be available.

You guys are MORONs for even considering the Orion 3400.

Option #2

Gents.....the options were decided upon so that all sides would be represented. I knew that option 2 would likley win out in part because of the BRL and the possibility that other tracks may want to run a different battery company…..it also allowed the opportunity to use the newer technologies while limiting what is suppose to be a SPEC class. Time and track performance will determine if one mfg is better than the other and being racers…..that will not take long. The Orion 3400 and the SMC 3200 are a closer match if one desires one company over the other. While the Orion 3400 has a 200 point capacity advantage, the SMC 3200 has a 3 point “C” rating advantage. Make your choice and get the rug cars ready.

I don't care either way just makea up our minds and lets all be legal!!! but I think since the BRL is going the SMC way lets follow and not re invent the wheel.

I don't care either way just makea up our minds and lets all be legal!!! but I think since the BRL is going the SMC way lets follow and not re invent the wheel.
Does this mean your choice is option 2? We are not reinventing the wheel......you can run either battery. It is your decision......which option are you for? Too many people say "I don't care", but then don't register a preference and later cry about the final choice made, I am not saying that is the case w/ you, I just want everybody to cast a vote and take a stand. Remember the choice is not the BRL's to make....it is the Triclone's and yours. We use other series (BRL, SW Tour, etc.) for our local needs....not as the governing body. We still need to be responsible to OUR racers.....not just the few that race the BRL series. Bryan, your vote is?

I vote for option # 2

Since i will be forced to join the darkside,my vote is choice 2. When does the carpet season start?

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Hays the Turd is my hero!!!!

I don,t like it, but my choice 2#.

Choice 1 the Orion 3400s only. Choice 2 will allow both the Orion 3400s and the SMC 3200s only.



No offense to the mentally challanged but that is the most retarded thing I have ever heard.

Set tha Mah and forget it.

There will be a warm up BRL Warm Up Race at Harbor Hobbies on October 11. Sully and I and a bunch of other guys are running. It would be a good chance to get the new carpet rides on the track before indoors start at Triclone.

OK Llyod I will go with option 2. craig I still have that cw car if you are interested? let me know.

No offense to the mentally challanged but that is the most retarded thing I have ever heard.

Set tha Mah and forget it.

No offense taken. From what was researched...the Mah is not the determining factor in this case when it is as close as the Orion 3400 and the SMC 3200 in Mah rating.....it is the "C" ratings. If we only took into consideration the Mah rating and limited it to, for the sake of argrument, the Orion 3200 and the SMC 3200, the SMC would have a clear advantage because it's "C" rating is 28 while the Orion is 20. Allowing the Orion 3400 (the Orion 3200 are no longer produced) brings these two numbers closer without a huge jump in the Mah rating. Again for the sake of argument...if we limited the Mah rating to 3400 and (even though this is not suppose to happen) SMC came out w/ a 3400 Mah battery....I am sure the "C" rating would go up as well. The "C" rating is the max discharge rate of the cell. The "C" rating can be better understood as internal resistance in reverse.....in this case the higher the rating (the ability to discharge its available voltage), the more punch the pack provides. If we look back at the 4 cell packs that we ran.....what were we looking for (not taking into account the highest discharge numbers) was the highest voltage per cell (not an issue here) and the lowest IR we could get because that translated to more punch on the track. What we are looking at is to allow another mfg product while addressing all the other concerns and making it as equal as possible. We can't please everyone and that is NOT the intention......the intention is to make the choices as equal as possible and let the the racers decide which way to go.

I vote to stay with Orion only in 21.5 -- other classes can be open.

But it looks like option 2 has more votes, so everyone will be buying at least one of each to see which is faster (so much for keeping it cheap).

Oh well... next question -- which body are we going to run in 21.5 ?

I vote to stay with Orion only in 21.5 -- other classes can be open.

But it looks like option 2 has more votes, so everyone will be buying at least one of each to see which is faster (so much for keeping it cheap).

Oh well... next question -- which body are we going to run in 21.5 ?

Body choice is the same as last year......any nascar body, the rear is in tack (NO cutouts) and a spoiler height of no more than 1" I believe measured from the deck lid. the race ready weight is 2 lbs 7 ozs or 39 ozs.. If you intend to race.....PLEASE abide by the rules. NOOOOOOOOO wings allowed in 21.5 lipo.

How about a "no LiPo heating" rule indoors ?

How about a "no LiPo heating" rule indoors ?
Well Guys....what do you say? Yes or No to heating pads. I vote YES, but that is because I did not have to buy one....being a little older and all.

Well Guys....what do you say? Yes or No to heating pads. I vote YES, but that is because I did not have to buy one....being a little older and all.

Well... here's my thought --

Everybody was so afraid when I started running LiPo last October that I would single-handedly burn the entire building down with it (when the pack temp was 70 deg.).

Then summer came... and we started with the rule that "thou shalt not charge without a LiPo sack" ... well... by the end of the summer we aren't doing that anymore ....

Now... you get a few newbies indoors that see everyone baking their LiPo packs to go fast and so they start doing it too -- do we want to assume that they will be careful and monitor the pack temp closely ?? I mean... I've heard of packs swelling if they hit 160 deg. F.

I'm glad everyone is so comfortable now with LiPo ! ... but we still have to be careful.

Sonny outlawed the heating pads in the BRL and I dont see a reason why we should use them at the Triclone either. They are kind of pointless, its just another thing you have to buy and like Jeff said I think it makes the potential for mistakes greater. We could make all this real simple and say BRL rules and we wouldnt need votes and poles about any of this stuff.

On another note the BRL made the spoiler rule 1" this year and I think that extra 1/4" would help make the cars easier to drive, especially for the more inexperienced racers.

I edit the above post to 1" spoiler rule. Some folks need that extra 1/4 inch. :rolleyes:

A 1/4" means alot for a skinny white boy Lloyd.

Sonny outlawed the heating pads in the BRL and I dont see a reason why we should use them at the Triclone either. They are kind of pointless, its just another thing you have to buy and like Jeff said I think it makes the potential for mistakes greater. We could make all this real simple and say BRL rules and we wouldnt need votes and poles about any of this stuff.

On another note the BRL made the spoiler rule 1" this year and I think that extra 1/4" would help make the cars easier to drive, especially for the more inexperienced racers.


Actually... I really like what Sonny has posted for the LiPo rules:

We will be adding a strict set of rules concerning Lipo usage. Intentional overcharging, or pre heating of the cells WILL NOT be tolerated. Here are a few things to keep in mind.

1.) Any battery that exceeds a Peak Voltage of 8.44 in pre-race tech will result in disqualification from that heat or main . You will not be allowed to reduce the voltage and re-tech the car.

2. All Lipo batteries are required to have a connector, (no hard wiring to the ESC). Approved connecters include, Deans, Traxxas, EC3, or Banana plug.

3.) A control battery will be placed in the tech area to establish ambient pack temperature. Your battery may not be allowed to exceed this temperature by more than 10 degrees during pre race tech. Failure to comply will result in disqualification from your upcoming heat or main.

I agree again with Jr. BRL already established a set of rules that as far as I am concerned are just fine. So with that said, I think that takes care of the rules.

Sonny outlawed the heating pads in the BRL and I dont see a reason why we should use them at the Triclone either. They are kind of pointless, its just another thing you have to buy and like Jeff said I think it makes the potential for mistakes greater. We could make all this real simple and say BRL rules and we wouldnt need votes and poles about any of this stuff.

On another note the BRL made the spoiler rule 1" this year and I think that extra 1/4" would help make the cars easier to drive, especially for the more inexperienced racers.

Based on your point(s) above....I change my vote to NO regarding the heating pad only......we don't need the less knowledgeable ruining their equipment thinking that it may make them faster instead of working on chassis and driving. If the BRL allowed Orion 3200/3400 I would agree with you 110% on their rules package.....but many non BRL drivers already have the Orions and want to use them or the new 3400. this is the only BRL rule that I have contention with. In a couple of weeks I will go over the results and post them.

1. Option #2
2. No heating pad

I'm gonna try to throw the vote here. Although my favorite number is 2...

I'm gonna vote for the big 'ol #1!

Have a good season y'all!

I like the BRL rules but we are not the BRL so lets go with option 2 and no pads because like any battery after a certain temp wheter it is cold or heat the battery is not optimal anyway.

I'm gonna try to throw the vote here. Although my favorite number is 2...

I'm gonna vote for the big 'ol #1!

Have a good season y'all!


I heard they found one of your relatives down in GA?

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/08/15/bigfoot.body/index.html?iref=hpmostpop

I was just reading this and was going to say, it is not written in stone yet but IROAR in corn land is planning on running BRL rules and grandfathering in the 3200 Orion for the guys (about everyone) to still use them

1" spoiler - yes
no heating pads

Are we going to stick with the Nationwide style bodies for 21.5? Just thought I would ask, sure it would come up sooner or later.

Are we going to stick with the Nationwide style bodies for 21.5? Just thought I would ask, sure it would come up sooner or later.

What does the BRL say....since it seems that many use them as the governing body. :) The choice is yours if you choose to run the Nationwide or Sprint Cup style bodies......but I think many may run the older style (Nationwide) bodies.

It doesn't look like the trucks will be run in the BRL this year. Cody and I don't care either way, we were just wondering what everyone else is looking at running.

It doesn't look like the trucks will be run in the BRL this year. Cody and I don't care either way, we were just wondering what everyone else is looking at running.
Cool......BTW, I was just using your post to hopefully make a point. It was not directed at you or anyone else in particular. :thumbsup:

Hey Smokey,

The rules are the same for 13.5 4 cell.....so you are all set.

option #2
1" spoiler
Nationwide body
Didn't use a heating pad anyway
Don't have a problem with the other rules, but then you will need a tech person and area to check batts before every heat and main.

What's a Nationwide body and what's a "sprint" body ?

What are the Proto Dodge Charger and Yoda classified as ?

WOW alot has changed over the summer, I remember the whole LIPO start up all so well. We would need a bucket of sand or we would be burning down the whole city of West Bend if by some chance there was a FIRE... I also went out a spent about $38.00 on the LIPO save charging bag, I hope that rule is going to be inforced!!!...
I am using the LIPO in my radio also so when I travel I put it in a plastic air tight bag then put it in a 5 gollon bucket and fill with sand (one can never know when it will blow up)... Are the racers just that lacks about there own safety???...

Dave D

PS; Waiting on the final word from the powers above ( Dave J) before I spend any more to race 1/10 scale!!!...

Option 2
no heating pad
Nascar body
Late Model class and lets race :woohoo:

What's a Nationwide body and what's a "sprint" body ?

What are the Proto Dodge Charger and Yoda classified as ?
They would be classified Nationwidebodys,Sprint cup bodys are the cot body.
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Hey fellas what are we doing about all the new speedos and brushless motors out there what is in and what is not?

Simple, BRL Rules apply. 21.5 Novak Motor any speed control. 17.5 Lipo run what ya brung.

Hey fellas what are we doing about all the new speedos and brushless motors out there what is in and what is not?
We will be using the same rules as last year for all classes other than 21.5 lipo.....which needed the vote on battery......option 1 or 2. Since it is an election year......early polls show that option 2 is 95 percentage points ahead of option 1, I will retract the vote on the heating pads and just say NO to them and we will run a 1" spoiler. I will post the final results after the holiday.

We will be using the same rules as last year for all classes other than 21.5 lipo.....which needed the vote on battery......option 1 or 2. Since it is an election year......early polls show that option 2 is 95 percentage points ahead of option 1, I will retract the vote on the heating pads and just say NO to them and we will run a 1" spoiler. I will post the final results after the holiday.

So... what you are saying then is that we can run any of the following batteries ???

- Orion 3200
- Orion 3400
- SMC 3200

Yes ??

So... what you are saying then is that we can run any of the following batteries ???

- Orion 3200
- Orion 3400
- SMC 3200

Yes ??
Yes.....Orion 3200 are grandfathered in, the Orion 3400 and SMC 3200 will be allowed if Option 2 holds up.