For the most part, R/C Tracks have done a great job in promoting and running National Events, on their own. In it's infinate wisdom, ROAR has decided they need a Race
Management Team. This cost is passed on to the racers, not in lower entry fees, but higher entry fees. Last year the RMT cost ROAR an average of $16,000.00 per Nationals, and that wasn’t including the 2007 ROAR Paved Oval Nats.

This year with 88 entries at the 2008 Paved Oval Nats., the RMT, but last years average costs, has put ROAR in the hole. It would be interesting to see an actual itemized cost of the RMT for this last race.

1. Trophies (actual cost?)
2. Host Rental Fee ( can we assume it’s the $3000 guarantee to the host track?)
3. Host Entry Number Bonus fee ($5 over 150 entries, not likey, for this years paved oval: total $0)
4. Tech Equipment shipping (actual cost?)
5. Tech Equipment purchases/repairs/updates (tech equipment doesn’t wear out that quick. Explain?) (Maybe purchasing inductance meter) How fast will a height stand or scale wear out?)
6. LiveRC contract: (and $$$$ ??, it wasn't at the Paved Nats!)
online registration: (ROAR has there own website, why do we have to go to another to find entry forms and pre-registure?)
7. broadcast (doesn’t that come under LiveRC contract?)
8. shipping of equipment (doesn’t that come under shipping tech equipment?)
repair of equipment (can’t be that much for the year)
9. Scoring Supplies (this should come under printing,AKA office supplies)
shipping of supplies (shouldn’t this be included in the other shipping costs?)
update/repair/purchase new of supplies (update what? Repair what? Purchase new supplies as in??)
10. miscellaneous supplies as necessary (as what?)
11. Office Supplies (as in??)
12. paper (one rheem of paper at Walmart 500 sheets less than $3.50)
13. ink (maybe ROAR should get a lazer printer and “save” money”)
14. miscellaneous as necessary (as IN?)
15. Car number stickers (bought in bulk can't be much over $10 a race)
16. Tech inspection stickers (bought in bulk, see #15)
17. RMT Contract Fee: (Like how many $$$$???)
18. per diem ( as in McDonald or the Biltmore?)
19. travel (coach or 1st class?)
20. lodging (Motel 6 or the Marriot?)
21. rental vehicle ( Hummer from Hertz or a sub compact from Enterprise, just to travel from lodging to the track?)

You forgot Bail Bondsman fee.

For the most part, R/C Tracks have done a great job in promoting and running National Events, on their own. In it's infinate wisdom, ROAR has decided they need a Race
Management Team. This cost is passed on to the racers, not in lower entry fees, but higher entry fees. Last year the RMT cost ROAR an average of $16,000.00 per Nationals, and that wasn’t including the 2007 ROAR Paved Oval Nats.

This year with 88 entries at the 2008 Paved Oval Nats., the RMT, but last years average costs, has put ROAR in the hole. It would be interesting to see an actual itemized cost of the RMT for this last race.

1. Trophies (actual cost?)
2. Host Rental Fee ( can we assume it’s the $3000 guarantee to the host track?)
3. Host Entry Number Bonus fee ($5 over 150 entries, not likey, for this years paved oval: total $0)
4. Tech Equipment shipping (actual cost?)
5. Tech Equipment purchases/repairs/updates (tech equipment doesn’t wear out that quick. Explain?) (Maybe purchasing inductance meter) How fast will a height stand or scale wear out?)
6. LiveRC contract: (and $$$$ ??, it wasn't at the Paved Nats!)
online registration: (ROAR has there own website, why do we have to go to another to find entry forms and pre-registure?)
7. broadcast (doesn’t that come under LiveRC contract?)
8. shipping of equipment (doesn’t that come under shipping tech equipment?)
repair of equipment (can’t be that much for the year)
9. Scoring Supplies (this should come under printing,AKA office supplies)
shipping of supplies (shouldn’t this be included in the other shipping costs?)
update/repair/purchase new of supplies (update what? Repair what? Purchase new supplies as in??)
10. miscellaneous supplies as necessary (as what?)
11. Office Supplies (as in??)
12. paper (one rheem of paper at Walmart 500 sheets less than $3.50)
13. ink (maybe ROAR should get a lazer printer and “save” money”)
14. miscellaneous as necessary (as IN?)
15. Car number stickers (bought in bulk can't be much over $10 a race)
16. Tech inspection stickers (bought in bulk, see #15)
17. RMT Contract Fee: (Like how many $$$$???)
18. per diem ( as in McDonald or the Biltmore?)
19. travel (coach or 1st class?)
20. lodging (Motel 6 or the Marriot?)
21. rental vehicle ( Hummer from Hertz or a sub compact from Enterprise, just to travel from lodging to the track?)

You forgot Bail Bondsman fee.
LOL good one Tom

sounds like someone got arrested

Almost!

Is it necessary? That is a question that is not easily answered in generic terms.

I will say this, at a facility like CRCC, no it is not. They have more than adequate equipment, experienced staff and the know how to put on a big event. So in this instance they did not really have any slack to take up, only big shoes to fill.

If it is a track that is not familiar with running big events the RMT would be a benefit to that track.

In this instance, it was the RMT's to lose, but IMHO they did not lose it at all.

I really think it should be only voluntary for the track to have the RMT at the event.

Some expenses could be cut, but the RMT is needed

Absolutely yes. Roar RMT is a huge benefit to the host tracks. Knowing that all the hard stuff is taken care of by roar and that the host track is guaranteed at least $3000 is a big improvement over the way it used to be.

Most tracks would lose money after it was all said and done, which is why it was getting so difficult to find host tracks for the ROAR nats.

I just think its really funny how before the RMT was developed everybody was complaining about how nationals were never ran the same way from year to year and how ROAR should do something about it. Roar did something about it, and now here we are reading a thread asking the opposite.

I suppose this is why the oval nationals are not RMT events unless asked. I suspect next year you won't see the RMT at oval events even if asked by the host track.

I will say this about the Nats. this week end, all and all the race went over with out too much trouble. There were a few problems that could have been resolved better. The problems were caused by the same person and after he was told to leave Sat. night everything went off for the mains with out a hitch. I will say Mike and Sam did a fanstic job represting Roar. Just wish the other one would not have come and there probly would not have been any problems.

...perspective -

Look at how many B.S. issues arise from a "NATIONALS" race with 88 entries, and virtually only 12 of them were running a 'ROAR' recognized class.

Once again, from what appears on these boards - there were 2 different events this past weekend... ONE was a TOTAL Disaster, and everybody got screwed... the OTHER ONE - the one that the racers actually ATTENDED sounds like it went pretty good.

Sounds like there were a few issues, but what event doesn't have something...a DQ or a TEMPER..or a QUESTIONABLE Product...

Now remember - this is the R.O.A.R. "NATIONALS" - not the "Carolina R/C Complex Nationals" Therefore - YES, the R.O.A.R. RMT should be there...it's THEIR event.

Also at the race should be members and supporters of the Organization/Club known as R.O.A.R.

Who are THESE "Members"? anyone who decides to join on the day of the event IS and CAN be a member...and by paying that MEMBERSHIP FEE - that entitles you to take part in what is suppose to be the organizations "Premier" annual event.

Last weekend was the R.O.A.R. "Paved Oval Nationals" - this event started on Friday and went through Sunday I believe...so I'm guessing if the guys who served as the RMT were not local - they probably came into town on Wednesday or Thursday (Maybe EARLY Friday?)

ONE WEEK LATER - this coming weekend - will be the R.O.A.R. Electric Off-Road Nationals in Southern California. (I'd bet that race has closer to 250-300 entries.)I saw that they already have 210 entries according to the host track owner's message on another board

...maybe it's not R.O.A.R. that's broken....(It's not perfect by anymeans - but looking in the MIRROR - who is?)

Man, just 88 entries for the Nationals??? Last weekend (8th-9th), Big Bills RC Raceway had 140+ entires! That was not a National race, just a "money" race. Granted, i had alot of fun that weekend! Made it 3rd in the B-main for Gas Truck. There were some problems with it. Like nobody wanted to turn marshel, and getting the A-mains starts to be decent. But other than that, Big Bill and his crew of 3-5 people put on a awesome show! I say since its the ROAR race, have the RMT there, but if its just a tracks race, the track race crew can do just as good or better job.

Just my .2

Rickity,

Not sure how these line up w/ ROAR -

It would be interesting to see an actual itemized cost of the RMT for this last race.

I haven't done a ROAR Nat's, but was involved in a few NORRCA Nat's in the past...

1. Trophies (actual cost?) Can run in excess of $1500.00 - $2000.00
2. Host Rental Fee ( can we assume it’s the $3000 guarantee to the host track?)With ROAR's new structure...probably
3. Host Entry Number Bonus fee ($5 over 150 entries, not likey, for this years paved oval: total $0)I believe the NATIONALS GUIDELINE says $50.00 per entry OVER
4. Tech Equipment shipping (actual cost?)2 way shipping - depending on what their sending now-a-days...$75.00 - $100.00 could/would be expected
5. Tech Equipment purchases/repairs/updates (tech equipment doesn’t wear out that quick. Explain?) (Maybe purchasing inductance meter) How fast will a height stand or scale wear out?)Doesn't matter...it's a possible EXPENSE, and needs to be accounted for(Don't forget R.O.A.R. isn't just PAVED OVAL)
6. LiveRC contract: (and $$$$ ??, it wasn't at the Paved Nats!)and they probably didn't get PAID for it either
online registration: (ROAR has there own website, why do we have to go to another to find entry forms and pre-registure?)R.O.A.R. stepped up to be able to provide On-Line Registration...by outsourcing it - THEY don't have to pay an actual STAFF to deal with it (believe me, this is cheaper)
7. broadcast (doesn’t that come under LiveRC contract?)Not Sure What 'Broadcast' is for
8. shipping of equipment (doesn’t that come under shipping tech equipment?)Scoring Equipment would NOT be classified as "TECH" equipment, nor would P.A. Systems or any other possible equipment a track may not actually have to comply with the R.O.A.R. 'National Guideline' Rules.[/b]
repair of equipment (can’t be that much for the year)ever drop a AMB Box, or a LAP TOP?
9. Scoring Supplies (this should come under printing,AKA office supplies)
shipping of supplies (shouldn’t this be included in the other shipping costs?)
update/repair/purchase new of supplies (update what? Repair what? Purchase new supplies as in??)Again, you have to account for, and depreciate EVERY Piece of EQUIPMENT - Printers WEAR OUT - Ink Cartridges Go dry, etc. Those expenses don't get paid for for FREE
10. miscellaneous supplies as necessary (as what?)Too many possible variable - due to so many different types of NATIONAL events (Electric On-Road, Oval, Off-Road, etc) all have possible different concerns
11. Office Supplies (as in??)
12. paper (one rheem of paper at Walmart 500 sheets less than $3.50)
13. ink (maybe ROAR should get a lazer printer and “save” money”)
14. miscellaneous as necessary (as IN?)
15. Car number stickers (bought in bulk can't be much over $10 a race)Ever bought PRINTED NUMBER SETS? I have - and the first few SETS cost me well over $150.00 a SET
16. Tech inspection stickers (bought in bulk, see #15)
17. RMT Contract Fee: (Like how many $$$$???)A friend who did RMT at one of the ROAR Nat's last year told me he got $1500.00 for his 3 days - which covered Pay, and all expenses...not sure if that's about the same now or not
18. per diem ( as in McDonald or the Biltmore?)
19. travel (coach or 1st class?)
20. lodging (Motel 6 or the Marriot?)
21. rental vehicle ( Hummer from Hertz or a sub compact from Enterprise, just to travel from lodging to the track?)

For what its worth, the LiveRC "equipment" was there but was boxed up and shipped to Cali for their event this coming weekend. This was due to the fact that NO one came to operate it, all of the track crew and the RMT's were busy enough.

Thats why it was not broadcast as scheduled.

There is a good bit of video that will be on you tube very soon and/or on Mike Boylans website.


Jim

...I don't remember seeing the 'Paved Oval Nat's' ever listed on the LiveRC web sites "Coming Races" list either.

The "Off-Road" Nat's at HRH have been listed.

could someone at a major event please enforce the rules that are posted!

roar rules for 17.5 motors
Stock Novak Novak 3417SS 17.5 Pro 36.5 February 15, 2008


roar tech at the nats allowed the following

The minimum allowed was 34.7. After looking at the tech sheets most motors were between hi 35's and low 37's.


sounds like 80% of the motors ran were ilegal per roars web site!!!!!!!!!

i pitty the guy who ran a roar legal 17.5 and blew 80.00 plus who knows what on a national..only to have gotten cheated by roar!

ouch!

Yep... and the latter would be what actually occurred.:thumbsup:

Once again, from what appears on these boards - there were 2 different events this past weekend... ONE was a TOTAL Disaster, and everybody got screwed... the OTHER ONE - the one that the racers actually ATTENDED sounds like it went pretty good.