would you like to see oval allowed to use other brands of motors that meet roar guidelines?

Break it up by class and make who voted for what public. It's kind of pointless if all the votes for one or the other are from names no one recognizes on their first or second posts.

I vote novak

must be in it to win it! i vote express motorsports!:thumbsup:

I VOTE FOR FANTOM, LOSI, NOVAK, HACKER, TRINITY, PUTNAM, EXPRESS and TEKIN, all of the above!!!

Simply because they have all been ROAR approved and have shown similar performance on the track. Tracks need to open up the rules to allow different manufacturers, if they don't then it may become more expensive as some tracks may run only Novak and then another track may only run HACKER. Multiple makes doesn't excite me for different tracks, per my example, even though I would buy them to try each to see which one works with my set-up the best.
Freedom of choice makes the market great and fun for bench racing including all of us oval racers favorite past time talking smack!

For local racing I like to keep it to one motor for tech purpuse (Novak). Track owners have enough problems to take care of.
For major big races I like one motor for a spec type class and it would be ok for open motors in classes that team and other better racers want to run. The racer could then make their chose.
I know that some say there are to many classes but, I think a there could be just four.
21.5 spec motor and battery, 21.5 open motor and battery for team and racers that want to run a sponsors product.
17.5 spec motor and battery, 17.5 open motor and battery for team and racers that want to run a sponsors product.

This is just my opinions, I could be wrong

How would people vote if they knew the Fegaio would be faster and their perfectly good Novaks are obsolete?

There's a big time assumption here that the Novak is equal to the Fegaio. Sorry, but that is not what I hear.

People thinking that ROAR spec'ing the winds makes motors equal between manufacturers are a mile off.

I voted, but this poll doesn't really include the option I'd want to see.

The Oval Masters rules are what they are and they are fine. They aren't perfectly aligned with what I want either, but so what, nothing is perfect for everyone.

open it up... and do it before carpet season starts :p

I have posted this any number of times, if you allow all brands of motors all you end up with is a motor of the week club and all that does is cost racers money and lots of racers don't want to spend any more than they have to, with the price of gas, lodging entry fees etc.

If a guy wins with a trinity then everyone thinks that the trinity was the best motor, even though the chassis on the winner was far superior, but that is the mentality of the racers.

Leave it Novak only and no problems.

Novak has supported oval racing did the R&D on the brushless stuff and they have been a great partner for oval racing.

If you want to run any motor, then allow then in open class and run what you brung.

I could see it possibly working if it were opened up for 10.5/17.5 Lipo since those are the new "mod" classes. Though I dont see the point really. Those classes seemed to have reached a tipping point where no new racers are moving up as it is, maybe it would atleast draw more of the bigger names out to the bigger races. Opening up any of the other classes would be suicide IMO.

I would like to see the 21.5 class stick to Novak only. 17.5 lipo I think should be any approved ROAR motor. I guess the 17.5 4 cell class novak only too for now. Lets change 1 thing at a time. Maybe next season we can open things up a little more... Rome wasn't built in a day!!

Joel White

Hello everyone.

There are Pro's and Con's on both sides.
One Motor makes it a Spec class. "Spec" Motor Specific Class.
This could be good for all classes.
Yes! Easily Teched.
Opening it up to all Manufactures/Distrubtures of the motors,(If the Motors all meet the specifactions for that motor), will/should drive cost down, because of the competition between them.

AJS: Stated "if you allow all brands of motors all you end up with is a motor of the week club and all that does is cost racers money and lots of racers"

Yes I remember the motor of the week days. Stock motors changed every week even before the 27t, But if you remember so did Speed Controls and Batteries.

I do agree with Larry B. "For local racing I like to keep it to one motor for tech purpuse (). Track owners have enough problems to take care of.
For major big races I like one motor for a spec type class and it would be ok for open motors in classes that team and other better racers want to run. The racer could then make their chose"

I am not a sponcored racer, But I still believe in the fact "What wins on Sunday Sells on Monday" and have a Garage full of stuff to prove it.:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

Open it up at Major Events bring back the competition, Bring the teams back,
Pit Charlie,Sean,Jim Dieter, and Todd Putnam and all the other motor Men/Women in Competition to win.

Let's go back to "My Dogs bigger the Your Dog" and Have Fun.

Remember without Competiton we'd still be driving Model "T's"

Pretty much agree with Hays...
One motor means you only have to be concerned with the variation from one manufacturer, not four. I really don't see what the problem with one manufacturer is; but for those who want to think they can win with more motor the Lipo 17.5 class looks like a good opportunity. Run the 17.5 Lipo class with an open mod type mindframe and leave the classes where racers are truly our worst enemies as spec as we can. Lower costs so that we don't keep driving people from the hobby.

I guess the problem is I've never really heard an effective answer as to why open motor makes things better for me the racer.

jmo,, if the rules where open to any brand motor what is stopping one manufacture from making there 13.5 just a click faster than another manufactures 13.5 version. I just don't see trinity , Novak , tekin etc. getting together and making there motors exactly the same. I would think from marketing perspective that one manufacture would be looking for an edge against another manufactures motor, before we would know it our 13.5 would be like 10.5

who was the company that supported oval brushless from the start? I would stick with what works.
it's about as bad as some tracks that didn’t want a dang thing to do with oval racing, but now oval is growing everyone is putting in carpet.
JMO

JMO - Lower Classes - RUN them as SPEC MOTOR classes...

If a larger race, or a track has enough "Experts" then open the rules for a class for those guys to run a OPEN version of the upper level class. Let them have their MFG. battle...cause it's fun to watch those guys battle on the track~

Sounds way too simple.

If all the 21.5, 13.5 etc novak motors all specked within close tolerances of each other would be one thing. I've seen on the meter multiple rotors of drastically different strengths (brand new) and the cans spec the same way. There is no clear choice different brand or the same IMO. BC

Novak only, track owner, nuff said

Why is it harder to tech a trinity motor than a novak motor? Same tools and same amount of time right? we've been using any 13.5 and 10.5 motors at our track for months and have only found one motor a lot faster than others and it was an illegal novak. novaks compete just as well and none are really better than others. we run off road and touring here in tx but the straight away speed is the same. And everyone is happy!:)

if i could get a sponsor from a motor company then id prefer it being a open rule. sadly im not good enough and only own novaks so i say keep it closed. ps i am looking for a motor sponsor! :)

I will say this as personal experience the motor DOESN'T matter!!! This was stated a long time ago when brushless came about- CHASSIS, CHASSIS, and CHASSIS.

John you and Jason did the right thing at T&L by changing back to the novaks. the best was you 2 going even fast with the Novaks! awesome

Why should NOVAk only get 100 percent market share , You dont think other companies have a right to make money and showcase their repsective products .... This Spec stuff is killing the marketplace ...

trinity's 17.5 motor is $20 cheaper and i don't hear all the complaints about those motors. and there are more tc guys than there are oval running their motors. every week there are about 2-3 people bashing the novaks on the on road threads. see the light! i have one 17.5 motor by trinity and it runs great techs close to the limit and "they are consistant motor to motor" ( comin from the motors guys checkin'em when they come in the door). i have 5-13.5s from novak and there all way higher reading 8+ points over the inductance limit but i refuse to buy another in search for a good one b/c we're payin for their r&d. then at the nats this past weekend, people (more than a couple) bought motors from the hobby shop that are illegal by roar regs. It just makes more sense to let the pro's into the market. Btw, the motor of the week arguement is null when you only approve motors once a year!

Sure, run anything you want above the 21.5 class. Most companies dont want to wind that motor anyway. So for 17.5 lipo any motor goes. 10.5 4 cell any motor. 13.5 4 cell any motor. The only class that would be in question would be 17.5 4 cell. I say that class can go any motor too! Just my opinion

Joel White