Can we get the one day pass the day of the race at the track? I never was clear on this. :freak: Or do you have to get it in advance?
I believe you can do both, whatever works best for you. I will double check though to make sure we are 100% sure on this. I will get back to you with an answer shortly. I would recommend that you preregister prior to the race though, will help speed things up I would think.

One day passes are available on the day of the race. You're basically purchasing a waiver for the day.

Can we get the one day pass the day of the race at the track? I never was clear on this. :freak: Or do you have to get it in advance?

have u been under a rock????:dude:

have u been under a rock????:dude:

Nope, never dealt with roar and didn't know how it worked. Knew about the day pass, just not what was invovled in getting it.

Guys planning of racing friday night for practice????

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I think what he's trying to say is practice till 8PM then regular Friday Night Race Schedule. Then Saturday Region 5 Race. Please Correct me if I'm wrong......

I think what he's trying to say is practice till 8PM then regular Friday Night Race Schedule. Then Saturday Region 5 Race. Please Correct me if I'm wrong......
You are correct. Friday September 26, doors open at Noon. Practice is from Noon - 8:00PM, then at 8:00PM we will run our Friday Night Under the Lights race program from 8:00PM - Midnight. Saturday doors open at 7:00AM, Sign up starts at 8:00AM and racing begins at 9:00AM.

Exactly, we will be holding a Friday night under the lights program for any and all who want to participate. Plan is for 3 heats and mains, but we may shorten it to 2 heats and the main if we have a significant number of entries. There will be a discounted race fee for those that are registered for the ROAR event.

Saturday will be the Region 5 race. If there are less than 100 entries all heats and the mains will take place on Saturday. If there are more than 100 entries the heats will take place on Saturday and the mains on Sunday.

John

Exactly, we will be holding a Friday night under the lights program for any and all who want to participate. Plan is for 3 heats and mains, but we may shorten it to 2 heats and the main if we have a significant number of entries. There will be a discounted race fee for those that are registered for the ROAR event.

Saturday will be the Region 5 race. If there are less than 100 entries all heats and the mains will take place on Saturday. If there are more than 100 entries the heats will take place on Saturday and the mains on Sunday.

John

If racing starts at 9am, why would you need to have the mains on Sunday??? You can get through a round of up to 14 heats in ~2 hours (counting 9 min total between races), so there should be no issue to get it done in let's say 10 hours to think large with a break before the mains and the resort, so by 7pm we should be done...And you can always finish under the lights on Saturday if needed... If you have 20 heats (close to 200 people) that's 3 hours per round and you can still be done by 9pm or 10pm...
What Am I missing?

First, most racers will race more then one class, so only 100 racers could easily equal 200 entries. In most classes you will not full 10 car heats, so 200 entries can easily be 25 heats.

25 heats x 7 minutes per heat (5 min heat plus 2 min) = 3 hours. That does not take into account any watering or track maintenance or possible glitches.

So that is 12 hours of racing if everything is perfect.... don't count on it :)

We hope to have everything done on Saturday if at all possible (that's our goal). But worst case scenario we can run mains first thing Sunday morning so everyone is on their way home mid-morning. I think its all going to boil down to the number of entries we end up getting. We should have a much better feel for things early September, a few weeks before the event. Right now all we can do is lay out the best plans we can and play it by ear as the race gets closer.

25 heats x 7 minutes per heat (5 min heat plus 2 min) = 3 hours. That does not take into account any watering or track maintenance or possible glitches.

So that is 12 hours of racing if everything is perfect.... don't count on it :)
Hank you're making this sound like its going to be work, stop that! This is going to be fun remember, last thing I want to do is work hard.

First, most racers will race more then one class, so only 100 racers could easily equal 200 entries. In most classes you will not full 10 car heats, so 200 entries can easily be 25 heats.

25 heats x 7 minutes per heat (5 min heat plus 2 min) = 3 hours. That does not take into account any watering or track maintenance or possible glitches.

So that is 12 hours of racing if everything is perfect.... don't count on it :)

Ok, my bad, I thought we were talking about 100 entries total, not racers... Yes, it might be a long day and you probably did several of these events before so you certainly know better... It makes sense... Thanks for the clarification...

And yes Revo, don't worry, it's going to be a fun weekend!!!

First, most racers will race more then one class, so only 100 racers could easily equal 200 entries. In most classes you will not full 10 car heats, so 200 entries can easily be 25 heats.

25 heats x 7 minutes per heat (5 min heat plus 2 min) = 3 hours. That does not take into account any watering or track maintenance or possible glitches.

So that is 12 hours of racing if everything is perfect.... don't count on it :)

AMEN HANK

No doubt it will be fun, but not doubt it will be a lot of work for the track personnel. Past experience shows that the 12 hours of racing will turn into 14 hours from beginning to end.... barring any major problems such as computer glitches, or bad weather (Sept. can be a wet month).

Sure you have an indoor track if the weather is bad but what do you do if the weather turns bad 6 hours into the program.... you can't move indoors then.

Count on the racing starting a bit late and the first few heats will take more then 7 minutes (5 min heat + 2 min. between rounds) as racers get into the groove of the program. Between rounds you'll most likely have to do some track maintenance and if it's hot enough, water between some heats.

Not trying to jinx ya of anything, but being a realist.

Sure you have an indoor track if the weather is bad but what do you do if the weather turns bad 6 hours into the program.... you can't move indoors then.

One alternative would be to use a conversion ratio to equate the number of laps that would have been obtained on the indoor track. Take 3 consistent drivers and put them on both tracks. Take the average times of the 3 racers on the different tracks and create a ratio. It is the same for everyone. Ideally the rain will permit for complete rounds on the outdoor track should rain visit. On the bright side, this is Michigan... it might be snow:rolleyes:?

Best Regards,

Andy Holub

There are no provisions for that in ROAR rules. All qualifing has to be on the same track.

No doubt it will be fun, but not doubt it will be a lot of work for the track personnel. Past experience shows that the 12 hours of racing will turn into 14 hours from beginning to end.... barring any major problems such as computer glitches, or bad weather (Sept. can be a wet month).

Sure you have an indoor track if the weather is bad but what do you do if the weather turns bad 6 hours into the program.... you can't move indoors then.

Count on the racing starting a bit late and the first few heats will take more then 7 minutes (5 min heat + 2 min. between rounds) as racers get into the groove of the program. Between rounds you'll most likely have to do some track maintenance and if it's hot enough, water between some heats.

Not trying to jinx ya of anything, but being a realist.

Can't move indoor then. Is that regarding finishing on the same track you started, due to roar regulations, or that it would not physically be possible?

I believe if you've completed a round, you'd simply move indoors and continue the following round all on the 'same' track. 15 minutes to convert to over to indoor.

Is this event following the "Rocket Round" or the "points per round" system?
If point per round, there should be no issue to move indoor if the rules allow for that, if "Rocket Round", can't do that then...

Is this event following the "Rocket Round" or the "points per round" system?
If point per round, there should be no issue to move indoor if the rules allow for that, if "Rocket Round", can't do that then...

Over my head

Sounds like this could be a Intresting race.

Sounds like an issue we will have to do some research on regarding running the program on the outdoor and indoor tracks combined. If there is not a way then we will have to make a decision before the weekend starts and stick to it. We will get to work and figure out just what can and can not be done. Stay tuned!!!!

John

Is this event following the "Rocket Round" or the "points per round" system?
If point per round, there should be no issue to move indoor if the rules allow for that, if "Rocket Round", can't do that then...

Mike, ROAR Rule 5.7.4 requires Rocket Round ( driver's single fastest qualifying heat) unless otherwise specified by the Race Director or by the ROAR ExCom.

Impossible. How you would seed the mains for times from two tracks? Don't forget, the fast time during the heats is top qualifier and you go down from there. How would you do that?

average the heats

The deciding factor should be that ROAR rules stipulate (apparantly) that changing tracks, mid race day, is not an option. Several large races have come to one qualifier leading to the mains. 2006 On-Road IFMAR Worlds comes to mind.

On the entry form it says 7 min. mains.
ROAR rule 5.1.3. mandatory for level 3-5 mains are 5 min.

On the entry form it says 7 min. mains.
ROAR rule 5.1.3. mandatory for level 3-5 mains are 5 min.
Already spoke with ROAR Director, we will be asking for the modification for the mains. They dont see any problem with the request, so we plan to move forward with longer mains unless we are told we cant.

The deciding factor should be that ROAR rules stipulate (apparantly) that changing tracks, mid race day, is not an option. Several large races have come to one qualifier leading to the mains. 2006 On-Road IFMAR Worlds comes to mind.

Looks like we will be outside then... Great!
Unless...we can not start the 1st qualifier outside and are forced to be indoor... You do not want to have to run 10 cars in a heat indoor all day long...

You guys are already doing a great job preparing for the event!
Can't wait...

Every effort will be made to run all heats and mains on the outdoor track. We will have a contingency plan in place that meets all ROAR requirements.

We simply want to assure those that are traveling a significant distance to join us for the event that it will take place the weekend of September 26-28, regardless of the weather.

John

Leave the details of how that might happen to Fatal Impact and enjoy the show!!!!!

I'll be traveling a good distance and in my opinion you can not change tracks mid program or between qualifying rounds. Even if you use qual points, its not the same. You need to decide on 1 track and stick to it.

What states are included in the region?

What states are included in the region?
Michigan, Ohio, Illinois, Wisconsin, Indiana, and Kentucky.

If the directors from roar have looked at this and the people from BFG have a plan that would be fair to all that race whats the big problem what track is run on do you all want to run in the rain? Yes the indoor off road track is smaller but it still is dry in case of rain I say let the people that are in charge worry about the set up of this event the rest of just have fun and do what we do race and have fun just my 2 cents worth

I'll be traveling a good distance and in my opinion you can not change tracks mid program or between qualifying rounds. Even if you use qual points, its not the same. You need to decide on 1 track and stick to it.
I agree. The hope is the weather works with us and the gods of speed give us a sunny, mild temperature weekend for this event. Our goal is to run this on the outdoor track, it just makes it a much nicer event if you ask me. Anyone have a lead on a 250' x 150' tent to cover the outdoor race area! :thumbsup:

Late September shouldnt be to bad for us. If it was mid to late October, I would say we can expect rain. Think positive, its going to be mid 60's and partly sunny for perfect weather for this event.

If the directors from roar have looked at this and the people from BFG have a plan that would be fair to all that race whats the big problem what track is run on do you all want to run in the rain? Yes the indoor off road track is smaller but it still is dry in case of rain I say let the people that are in charge worry about the set up of this event the rest of just have fun and do what we do race and have fun just my 2 cents worth
The Fatal Impact Racing Club is going to plan this out the best we can CJ. For anyone coming to the event, just worry about making sure you bring everything you need to race for the weekend. Leave all the "fun" planning details to the club. Remember we are racers to, we are going to try to have plan B and C in place to hopefully cover anything that comes up. Racers worry about racing, leave the rest to us. If anyone has any questions or thoughts you want to share go for it. Maybe you will come up with an idea we have not thought about yet. Thanks guys. With all the chatter I hear about this event, I am expecting a nice turnout and some very fast competitive racing. Everyone better bring their A-Games!

One alternative would be to use a conversion ratio to equate the number of laps that would have been obtained on the indoor track. Take 3 consistent drivers and put them on both tracks. Take the average times of the 3 racers on the different tracks and create a ratio. It is the same for everyone. Ideally the rain will permit for complete rounds on the outdoor track should rain visit. On the bright side, this is Michigan... it might be snow:rolleyes:?

Best Regards,

Andy Holub

YES.... BRING ON THE SNOW!!!!!

my thought is race saturday, rain date on sunday. limit the entries, not racers, to 250. i personally will be racing 3 classes. most will race 2, so that still works out to about 100 ppl. starting at 9 am, it should be no problem to get it all in in one day. we will all have to work at this. but it WILL be FUN, or else. or else ill be forced to print up these pics of kieth and spread them around the rc community, lol.:freak::drunk::eek:

Hi Everyone,

I have had several people asking questions about different classes and exhibitions for this ROAR event. I spoke with ROAR about the questions I was asked and now I need to present this to everyone else to discuss. First I will make this disclaimer:

THE FOLLOWING ITEMS ARE FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES ONLY, NO PLANS ARE BEING MADE TO CHANGE THE ROAR EVENT IN ANY WAY AT THIS TIME. THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS TO DETERMINE IF THERE IS ENOUGH INTEREST TO DISCUSS THIS FURTHER.

Topic 1: I was asked IF we have enough entries to support a masters class could we run one? The answer is yes ROAR has no problem with running a masters class if there are enough participants. Now the question to you, how many of you would want to run in a masters class?

Topic 2: I was asked several times if we could run an exhibition 1/8 scale electric 4WD buggy class? The answer is yes ROAR will allow this class if there is enough entries for it. I would also like to mention this can only be done if there are not a huge number of entries in the other classes. We need to be time sensitive. If we were to allow this exhibition class to run how many people would want to participate in it?

Please give your input on these topics and let me know if it is worth even considering either of these ideas. Thanks for your input.

Keith

I run masters at the MORL but the 13.5 can run super stock so it makes no difference to me just let me know.

Isn't masters 60 and over?

I think Masters is 40+

I think Masters is 40+

Correct

i will run in the 1/8 scale electric exhibition fo sho.

Isn't masters 60 and over?

Hey E I'm not that old!:cry:

I run masters at the MORL but the 13.5 can run super stock so it makes no difference to me just let me know.
old bastard
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I'll be traveling a good distance and in my opinion you can not change tracks mid program or between qualifying rounds. Even if you use qual points, its not the same. You need to decide on 1 track and stick to it.

i agree 100% kris, btw ygpm.

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