I don't want to over saturate the Movie forum, but the movie begs for an open discussion.
I found the movie to be brilliant, but with a couple of issues. How did the C-130 get out of Chinese airspace without getting shot down? Perhaps I missed something.
I also really enjoyed the Detective work that Batman did, but , besides showing us he's the "Worlds Greatest Detective", they never did establish the Jokers real identity.
The ferry boat sequence was absolutely brilliant and I did not see the twists and turns coming from that one. You just knew that Tiny Lister's (convict) character would blow the "innocents" sky high! When I watch it again, I going to make sure I listen to his dialogue again, I'm pretty sure he explains what he is going to do, but because he is a convict, we hear what he says differently.
I think others who have complained about it being too long (and I agree,but qualify that) are feeling the effects of what a tense morality play can have on a person. There is real loss felt in the movie. The casualty numbers and bodies have a real effect on everyone. The effect on me was emotionally draining.
I really enjoyed the Disco fight scene, it reminded me of the scene in "Collateral", without the guns.
Very disappointed to see the Tumbler wasted, but it was time for an upgrade.
The Batpod was pretty damn lethal too.
I was disappointed that at the end, Batman becomes a fugitive. I understand the reasoning, but I just don't care for it.
Lastly: Ledger really did deliver. The guy just dissolved into the role. It was an incredible performance.
RIP

Didn't like the bat cycle (bat pod?) it wobbles and corners like a pig. They had to film it carefully for it to seem credible at all.

Cell phone sonar was a silly plot device along with the bat eye receivers.

Two-face was as unbelievable (cg face) as joker was believable. This brought the whole thing down for me. Joker was pretty damn good.

Maggie G I like but she just looked worn out it this movie. Maybe that's what they were trying for.

Too long. They several plot turns were unnecessary. The whole china thing. The ferry thing (might've made a good 30min twilight zone episode but it didn't fit).

Left semi satisfied.

Maggie is a fine actress, but , to me, always looks haggard. You have some great points, but none of them took me out of the moment.

That's true. It kept you immersed in bat-world. This would have been a great dismal October release. For a summer release I was looking for something a little more invigorating.

Heck- If you want invigorating, go see "Mama Mia!!!!":hat:

Ducks , runs like hell, while laughing!!!!:tongue:

The previews were almost worth the price of admission (the coen bros submission "Burn After Reading", not momma mia)

You know you want to see it.

sigh...

ooo oo, the best scene was Morgan Freeman and the blackmailing accountant!

That and the look Bruce Wayne gives him after saving his life.

ooo oo, the best scene was Morgan Freeman and the blackmailing accountant!

Oh yea, the look on his face when it sinks in what Lucius was saying...priceless.

The one thing I have big issues with is Gordon jumping rank from Lieutenant all the way up to Commissioner. Especially with the DA telling the mayor that Gordon's department was infiltrated by the mob and Gordon turning a blind eye to it.

When I was watching this I thought 'this is a james bond movie". same pointless stunts, hi-tech gadgets, exploding chase sequence, foreign villians, double agents, and a super baddie with some weird plot.

Alfred = Moneypenny
Fox = Q and M

I really liked the ferry sequence. It really brought home what the Joker is all about. He doesn't just want to kill you, he wants to bring you down to his level and rip your emotional and moral guts out, THEN kill you. That was the point of his "experiment," and that's what makes him the nastiest of the lot.

I really liked the ferry sequence. It really brought home what the Joker is all about. He doesn't just want to kill you, he wants to bring you down to his level and rip your emotional and moral guts out, THEN kill you. That was the point of his "experiment," and that's what makes him the nastiest of the lot.

That and the Dent experiment. The Wife & I were talking about the scene after Dent's death where Gordon & Bats were debating whether the Joker won. In reality, whether he won or not is not the true point: The Joker was right, everyone has his limits and the difference between good & evil is how far you're pushed. This theme mirrored the plot of The Killing Joke, where the Joker's point is that we're all one bad day away from going crazy.

In the end, I'm not disappointed that the Joker's identity wasn't revealed. He was a force of nature, and having a creation back story would've ruined it for me. As it is, he was chaos personified, he came and went like a hurricane or a tornado. What I was disappointed is that they didn't set who the villain was going to be in the next move, like they did at the end of Batman Begins.

I was fairly certain that one of the boats would trigger the bombs. However, I was also fairly sure that they would have blown THEMSELVES to bits if they did. Shows how much I know.
My favorite scene was when Tiny Lister took the trigger and threw it into the water. It sent chills down my spine.

I really liked the ferry sequence. It really brought home what the Joker is all about. He doesn't just want to kill you, he wants to bring you down to his level and rip your emotional and moral guts out, THEN kill you. That was the point of his "experiment," and that's what makes him the nastiest of the lot.

Just got back from Wonderfest and as a capper to the evening, we saw DK. Blown away is an understatement! This was a superhero film with grand operatic themes. They delved deep into the nature of good and evil. They are literally reduced to two sides of the same coin. The Dent CG worked just fine for me. Ledger inhabited the Joker with a sense of true danger unlike anything I've seen. The pencil trick had the audience gasping. It's like all bets are off. You don't know what he's capable of. I thought I read somewhere that the joker was among the many Gothamites affected by the release of Scarecrow's nerve toxin from the first film and he went totally off the wall. Where for most the effects were temporary, in the Joker they became permanent. Don't know if that was ever in the script or it was merely conjecture.

The original batmobile always bothered me. Not the design, which has really grown on me, but rather the fact that a team of engineers built and tested the thing and not one of them would recognize it tearing through town on the evening news? Lucius's look to the potential whistle-blower was priceless.

Just got back from Wonderfest and as a capper to the evening, we saw DK.

You missed the funnest part of Wonderfest if you weren't there on saturday night. It is the peak of the festival.

Is it true that Batman was filmed in Chicago? My dad said that Batman jumps off the top of the Sears Tower in one scene and that there is a motorcycle high speed chase scene that was filmed on Lakeshore Drive. So, is Batman still supposed to be in Gotham city, although it was filmed in Chicago?

Is it true that Batman was filmed in Chicago? My dad said that Batman jumps off the top of the Sears Tower in one scene and that there is a motorcycle high speed chase scene that was filmed on Lakeshore Drive. So, is Batman still supposed to be in Gotham city, although it was filmed in Chicago?

Some of the filming was done in Chicago, yes, since Gotham City doesn't exist. So parts of Chicago are seen as Gotham City in the film

You missed the funnest part of Wonderfest if you weren't there on saturday night. It is the peak of the festival.

Well, which event exactly do you consider the peak? Better than the dealers room, the exhibits, model contest, insiders' presentations, celebrities?? :)

Sing Along With Metzner.

I thought the Magic trick scene was classic and it set the tone for what the Joker is all about. Dressing up as the Nurse and skipping out of the hospital was priceless also.

guys I'm almost certain that Two-Face is NOT dead. Batman and Gordon decided that Harvey Dent, the DA, would die in the public eye a hero. Two-Face however was probably sent to Arkham with the Joker.

As for the plane in Chinese airspace, they said it would fly under the radar.
I think the overseas stuff WAS needed and actually visually pretty sweet. Batman gliding through the city, into the building, hand to hand combat. All needed to establish the leader of the Chinese Mob as very powerful but no match for the DK.

The Two Face effects were very good, could have been less skin loss but very effective. I think when we see Harvey again his wounds will be more healed and scarred.

Not establishing the Joker's origin makes him all the more menacing.
He was a bank robber and petty theif and killer a couple people, probably bank guards. But what he says to Batman about never going back to bank robbing and they could do this forever!

The Tumble played it's purpose and they forshadowed to the new Batmobile with Bruce using the Lamborgini. Next car will not be a tank.

Ferry thing was awesome and SO NEEDED! V ery suspensful and dressing the hostages up like clowns and duct taping guns to their hands was priceless.

Travis

Well, which event exactly do you consider the peak? Better than the dealers room, the exhibits, model contest, insiders' presentations, celebrities?? :)

Well, the peak always varied for me depending on which year I went. But, saturday night always pretty much was rhe mid-point of the weekend where everyone would get together and have fun watching movies and BSing together. Not that it's the only good part of the festival....

I think that with Batman being the fugitive now, his new ride will be fast AND more tank-like.

Well, the peak always varied for me depending on which year I went. But, saturday night always pretty much was rhe mid-point of the weekend where everyone would get together and have fun watching movies and BSing together. Not that it's the only good part of the festival....

We can only be out for a single day and have a 2-hour drive home, so late night festivities are out.

However, we are discussing the possibility of both days next year. This year several of the presentations we wanted to see were on Sunday (2001 astronauts and Linda (babe) Harrison plus more. We could only do Saturday unfortunately. Traditionally the better day was Saturday, but now who knows. When it was on Memorial day weekend it really hurt since there were family obligations for many of us. Next year it's even earlier which is good. I'm from Indianapolis and Indy 500 weekend is something I'd really like to be home to see.

BUT, back to DK. I was listening to Lucius's line about the durability of the new bat suit with interest. It was probably just a funny throwaway line but when he said it would protect against cats did anyone else think catwoman was in batman's future??

BUT, back to DK. I was listening to Lucius's line about the durability of the new bat suit with interest. It was probably just a funny throwaway line but when he said it would protect against cats did anyone else think catwoman was in batman's future??

That was my take. Who knows how far out Nolan/Goyer/Nolan have this thing plotted out? I don't believe Two-Face is dead.

Nice catch, I never put 2 and 2 together. Wonder what Nolan's Catwoman would be like??

Wonder what Nolan's Catwoman would be like??

Feral. :p

Michele Pieffer (sp) was uh, well, uh, feline. Sleek and limber. Meow!!!

I don't like it when they feel the need to throw in a new character at the last minute, then kill him off, ie twoface. Twoface himself is a legit Batman character, but in this movie he is just a contrivance that last about 20 minutues.

Bale signed for four pictures,two done,two to go.I vote for Alex Ross to direct the next two!alexander

Why change directors? Nolan has already shown he can do two blockbusters. When you change directors you change the feel and lord knows what can happen. Just look what happened to the first go round of Batman movie.. it went from good to abysmal with each director change.

Now on another note, since there was the mention of the Bat suit being able to withstand a dog...or a cat, we were talking at work about who would make a good Catwoman this time. My vote was for Mila Kunis. She has that feline look about her.

I want someone who can do a Batman right!That has not happen yet!!I'm liking the guy who did 300.His trailer for Watchman is spot on!I dont need another director who wants to put his "spin" (piss on it and make it mine)on an allready established icon.I need someone who can read and make a great story come to life,as in forty plus years of Batman!alexander

When I was watching this I thought 'this is a james bond movie". same pointless stunts, hi-tech gadgets, exploding chase sequence, foreign villians, double agents, and a super baddie with some weird plot.

Alfred = Moneypenny
Fox = Q and M


LOL YEAHHHH!!!!! I thought the same thing!

I was a bit dissapointed by the film overall. Ledger as 'The Joker' was the only thing IMHO worth watching this film for, and his laugh is dead on. Batman Begins was way better IMO.

I gotta say, I was surprised at how much I liked this movie. The Burton vision about killed my interest in Batman, and I only saw "Dark Knight" because we took our uyoungest kids (13 & 10) to see it Sunday. But I was amazed at what Ledger put into the Joker. I think the character un-nerved me more than it did the boys, but we really enjoyed it.

I want someone who can do a Batman right!That has not happen yet!!I'm liking the guy who did 300.His trailer for Watchman is spot on!I dont need another director who wants to put his "spin" (piss on it and make it mine)on an allready established icon.I need someone who can read and make a great story come to life,as in forty plus years of Batman!alexander

Every writer and director puts his "spin" on Batman (who has actually been around for 70 years now). Yes, the trailer for "Watchmen" looks spot-on as far as imagery, but don't fool yourself into believing that Zack Snyder and David Hayter haven't put their own "spin" on the story. They've changed a number of elements of the story because the limitations of a feature film require them to do so.

And I'd really like to know how Nolan and Goyer have "pissed" on Batman. I think you're confusing them with Joel Schumacher.

Snyder really put his own spin on 300. The pro war-war is glory thing was really over the top.
The thing about the Joker was, I really "got" the character. The scene on the freighter, when he talks about soldiers being blown up, or gang bangers getting shot, no body blinks an eye. "It's all part of the plan". But, when a White Knight DA goes bad (or, in my opinion, a blond girl turns up missing) society gets turned upside down.
It's really him holding up a mirror to society. Nolan holding up a mirror. Right and wrong, good and bad. That's what makes the prisoners decision on the ferry so damn riveting and at the same time, flies in the face of everything you know about "criminals". A brilliant film.

Bale signed for four pictures,two done,two to go.I vote for Alex Ross to direct the next two!alexander

From your mouth to no one's ears. Nolan's "spin" on Batman is alright with this batfan.

Zorro: "Feral" Classic!

Though I heard on the radio this morning that Oldman said the next villain was The Riddler.

When you see the movie again you will notice that Batman and Gordon "decide" that Harvey Dent the man is dead, publically he dies a hero. Two Face is in Arkham with bandages on his face. When we see him again he will not be so hole-y. His face will be disfigured but he will have more skin to shut the "he would get infections" people up.

I'm hoping it's Clayface (Main story) with Two face in there as the secondary story line.

Or they could do the whole circus freakshow with Penquin/Croc angle

Nolan doesn't kill villains, that's why Arkham exists in the batman world... It's a filling cabinet for villains. They are always getting captured and escaping.

Travis

Bale signed for four pictures,...
Cite your source please

Love to see Croc!

From the shooting script (published in "Art of the Dark Knight").
"Dent lies at the bottom of the hole, his neck broken. DEAD"
Their caps, not mine.
Tom

Every writer and director puts his "spin" on Batman

...And do I ever feel DIZZY!

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- GJS :freak:

Nolan doesn't kill villains.......

Travis

Tell that to Ra's Al Ghul........ :thumbsup:

You never "see" Ra's die and besides the whole movie establishes that Ra's is immortal, like Santa Claus :) Someone will always be Ra's Al Ghul

Travis

Tell that to Ra's Al Ghul........ :thumbsup:

I believe Ra's immortality comes from places around the globe he discovered called "Lazarus Pits."

I always wondered why Nolan had the name pronounced "Rahs" instead of the way it's supposed to be pronounced..."Raysh."