ROAR Nationals Bids It is once again that time of the year, bid season for all '09 ROAR National Championship races. Tracks owners you only have a couple of weeks left to get those bids in. Bids are due by 7/31/2008. If your a racer and interested in the posibilities of your home track hosting next years ROAR National for your genere of racing then talk to your tracks owner and let them know this.

If you interested in bidding and don't know what to do it's fairly simple. Start by downloading the following from the ROAR website, RMT Nationals Guidlines, Sanction Form and the Template for Bid for National Championships. Read the complete RMT Nationals Guidlines first. This will direct you as to what you need to do and be aware of for your bid. Once you've completed reading the RMT Nationals Guidlines you'll need to complete/create your bid. Use the template that ROAR provides, that's what it is for. Complete everything in the bid to the best of your abilities and be as informative as possible thru your bid in regards to the bidding facility. Make sure you have the sanction form filled and signed by your region director. All bids must contain a signed sanction application. Once you have everything filled out and ready to go email it to the ROAR Competition Director, Ruben Benitez at stocktonrc@sbcglobal.net

To all our bidders, thanks for supporting ROAR, happy bidding and good luck!!!
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We need to have a track up north here bid for it this year.4 years of coming down south ,time for it to be up north again.

We need to have a track up north here bid for it this year.4 years of coming down south ,time for it to be up north again.


What other tracks are an option?

The only two that come to mind are Freddies in northern Ohio and the almighty Tri-Clone...

It would be cool to see a Nat's at Lail but the area around the track is not big enough....

Joe Retherford

Talked with the owner of Freddies, and he is willing to hold Nats there next year. I sent him all the info reguarding the bidding. Hope he goes through with it.

Tell him this is Cap tire racing.......If its Foam tires I'll stay home!

Tell him this is Cap tire racing.......If its Foam tires I'll stay home!


so would many others

I think they are actually running some caps there now. John (BSR) went to the track and ran some if I remember correctly.

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Yep, it is a cap tire track. Tell him this is Cap tire racing.......If its Foam tires I'll stay home!

I sent the info to Maximus in York Maine.........

Carpet Nats in Omaha and paved Nats at freddies !!!! There is all my vacation time used up !!!!!!!! That would be great.

Tell him this is Cap tire racing.......If its Foam tires I'll stay home!

Throw the Handout tire thing out the window !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why?


Trust me, its cheaper to have handout tires! Plus everyone starts off on the same foot....

Why?


Trust me, its cheaper to have handout tires! Plus everyone starts off on the same foot....

No matter what the tire situation is the locals will always have an edge.

no handouts and if I bend one I may have an extra and not have to buy a whole extra set!

No matter what the tire situation is the locals will always have an edge.

Maybe way before the race, but as time draws closer, and this group travels to the track, who knows how many times, that homefield advantage is not so much a factor anymore.

I am not saying it does not help, just not as huge as one might think.

Me, I do not like the handout tires, but I do understand why it was started.

I thought you could purchase just one tire last year, but I am not for sure on that.

no handouts and if I bend one I may have an extra and not have to buy a whole extra set!


You !!!!! bend or break something ?????? never lol

You know me, there was never a foot or flying person or parked car I wouldn't hit...lol

Yes you can buy only one tire if thats all you need and it WILL be marked, if a tire is found to not have the marking on it, you will be DQ'ed for that qualifier or main.


Jim

I can certainly see the debate over the hand out tire rule but something that a lot of people are over looking is that it shortens the gap between the “haves” and the “have nots”.

Those with a tire sponsor don’t want the handouts because they are not able to go into the twelve boxes of tires that their sponsor sent them and find that “special” tire or set of tires.

Those that say that it adds to the cost of the race may not be looking at the big picture. If you are going to a National event and are not planning on a new set of tires, then I really can’t say that I understand your thinking. If the money all at one time is the problem then do like everyone else that’s on a budget does and put a little away each week until you can afford to buy a new set.

The deal of it adding to the cost of an entry is just “perception”, not real life. You have to have them one way or the other and I would much rather deal with the “perception” then deal with the tires in a sponsored driver’s box!

Mclin, I agree with you 100%.

the handout tire rule was put into place back at blountville. when the old style dish wheel seem to have an advantage and only certain people had them..Now there isnt a need for a handout tire rule..All of BSR's are a sweet set..John makes tires like no other!there are no differences from one set to the next...

I have no problem what so ever with that part. John has done wonders for the capped tire market and deserves a lot of praise for his efforts. That was really not my point.

My point was; at large events like a National, sponsored drives would still have that big box of tires to go to vs the unsponsored drives "little" box. LOL and there are more things at play than just "round" tires. They have a better shot at picking the right stagger for one PLUS if it were opened up they may also have different compounds available to them. (That part may not happen but there's that darn perception thing again.)

For this type of major event, I think the handout tire rule is a good thing.

My beef with the handout tire rule, aside from the cost, is that it forces me to take more time off work if I want to go. With handout tires I feel like you need to be there the minute they handout the tires to start putting runs on them. Last year I came a day late and I felt at a huge disadvantage with fewer runs on my tires as well as having to try and get them broken while everyone else is rocketing around me with their tires that already have a days worth of runs on them. Personally, if I was attending this years race, I'd be pretty annoyed that I couldn't just run last years tires which sit on my bench in a bag gathering dust.

This is probably less of an issue for the gas guys who can spend 30+ minutes on the track at a time. Which is a discussion of it's own.

Tha handout tire rule had value and a purpose when it was done, but now I think the cons outweigh the pros.

People have to deal with sponsored drivers with boxes full of tires at carpet races and everything goes fine. It's actually a much bigger advantage on carpet as well.

When the handout rule was put in place the tires weren't good, john had just acquired BSR. When R. Vines still had BSR we'd order 20 tires to get 4 good ones. The ability to go through 50-60 tires to get a couple true sets was benificial. Having the tires run in was also a big asset. Somewhere between 12-15 runs gets the tires really good. You can take a few runs off that if you know how to true caps, but most people don't or won't do that to BFN tires.

Let's say I want 16 runs on my tires before the first quallifier, With NIMH say you are pounding the track once an hour it would take you almost two days of practice to get the tires right, then you can work on set-up.

Handout tires had their purpose but it's long gone.

I won't even to go into what the tires that are picked means...no matter what, different shades of anodizing will be unhappy.

Pat and Danny speak to exactly how I feel about hand-out tires. thanks for saving me the extra key strokes!

You guys bring up some good points. We don't have a handout rule in the nitro classes so as long as everyone is comfortable with not have them, i'm good with it..........like "that's" really important LOL

Pat and Danny speak to exactly how I feel about hand-out tires. thanks for saving me the extra key strokes!

Same here guys.

+1 to Danny and Pat. I think it would be different if you had hundreds of racers coming from out of state to attend the event, but considering the nats the past 4 years have been more of a regional than anything with a few travelers you know most everyone has tires. I think anything to lower the cost at this point is going to bring more racers out.

At the regional there was some conversation that we at BSR were making special tires for drivers (which was not the case) and that some people had an advantage because of this. If we did not have a hand out tire rule at the nationals we (John and I) would build a tire that was faster than any tire we sold and only close friends or sponsored drivers would get them. Better yet we would build a tire that would last only one run and it would be junk forcing you to buy several tires for the weekend. Considering that you now only need to spend $60 (which is a discounted price) and all of your tire costs are covered for the weekend. Compare that to the throw away tires that we could make and now your tire costs would be say $80(full street price) x 4 heats and 1 main that would $400. Would you want to run a race like that? It does not sound like a fun national event to me.

After months of reading about how much it is to race a national, the price of a second entry, or why do we have hand out tires my simple answer is don't come, stay home! The attitudes and bitching is rather tired and mute at this point. Now I am not trying to be the ass but some one needs to say it. I would much rather have 400 people show up to a national but those days are behind us.

Hand out tires serve two very important purposes, the first is that it controls the cost of racing. During the last few weeks we have introduced two new tire compounds to the cap tire racing market. So if we did not have a tire rule and these new compounds were better then everyone would have to buy those as well. Since the laws of supply and demand start to kick in at this point we could charge $25 and people would pay it to be fast. The second advantage to hand out tires is that it negates a home track advantage. I am going to use Mike Bush as an example since he lives 20 min from Easley. Since Mike has the advantage of having the track so close to home he can spend as much time as he wants working with different tire compounds and set ups over a several month time period However a person like me could not have such a luxury. Having hand out tires saves me from making several 7 hour drives and costs to do the same amount of testing Mike could do with far fewer costs to him self.

I hope to shed a different light on the subject. Please make note of this, if there is not a hand out tire rule I will have special tires for the next race that no one else can get and cause cap tire racing to die all together. If don't believe me lift the hand out tire rule and see what happens.

Monti

PS if you would like to talk about this further you can call me at BSR, on my cell 317-842-7037, or talk to me at the nationals we should be there tomorrow night.

monti..handouts on carpet!but it cant be pinks and purples...haha sorry had too..

At the regional there was some conversation that we at BSR were making special tires for drivers (which was not the case) and that some people had an advantage because of this. If we did not have a hand out tire rule at the nationals we (John and I) would build a tire that was faster than any tire we sold and only close friends or sponsored drivers would get them. Better yet we would build a tire that would last only one run and it would be junk forcing you to buy several tires for the weekend. Considering that you now only need to spend $60 (which is a discounted price) and all of your tire costs are covered for the weekend. Compare that to the throw away tires that we could make and now your tire costs would be say $80(full street price) x 4 heats and 1 main that would $400. Would you want to run a race like that? It does not sound like a fun national event to me.

After months of reading about how much it is to race a national, the price of a second entry, or why do we have hand out tires my simple answer is don't come, stay home! The attitudes and bitching is rather tired and mute at this point. Now I am not trying to be the ass but some one needs to say it. I would much rather have 400 people show up to a national but those days are behind us.

Hand out tires serve two very important purposes, the first is that it controls the cost of racing. During the last few weeks we have introduced two new tire compounds to the cap tire racing market. So if we did not have a tire rule and these new compounds were better then everyone would have to buy those as well. Since the laws of supply and demand start to kick in at this point we could charge $25 and people would pay it to be fast. The second advantage to hand out tires is that it negates a home track advantage. I am going to use Mike Bush as an example since he lives 20 min from Easley. Since Mike has the advantage of having the track so close to home he can spend as much time as he wants working with different tire compounds and set ups over a several month time period However a person like me could not have such a luxury. Having hand out tires saves me from making several 7 hour drives and costs to do the same amount of testing Mike could do with far fewer costs to him self.

I hope to shed a different light on the subject. Please make note of this, if there is not a hand out tire rule I will have special tires for the next race that no one else can get and cause cap tire racing to die all together. If don't believe me lift the hand out tire rule and see what happens.

Monti

PS if you would like to talk about this further you can call me at BSR, on my cell 317-842-7037, or talk to me at the nationals we should be there tomorrow night.

I don’t know If the special tires will help you get off the line without spinning I bet 7 or 8 guys will vote for it. .:lol:

Sorry had to be said.:D

Well my two cents on the subject since its here,

I am gonna play on both sides because if I had the time or a different weekend I would run this event either way just cause I like the competition and running with folks I enjoy running with.................

Handout tires, well pros: everyone is on the same sheet of music from day one, but then again some are right saying that they can not get that much time off work so they will be a day behind......... So how would you remedy this by not giving out the tires until the first day of Controlled Practice right, well not so much when that day falls on a Thursday, so what to do then right your saying......... Tell us all what compound they are on and dont make them mandatory until HEATS to give the guys that come in a day later some time to get them broke in. So how do you fix the Handout tire rules there is now happy medium.........

Not having a handout tire rule does allow an advantage of sorts to guys that run alot or are showing up a day later than most, but also says hey use what you got and your not paying for something that will sit on you shelf.......... If the handout tire rule is there allow them from last year, someone take stock in them and hold them for a year, by bagging them all up and hold them in your name for a year, well who has that kind of space, LOL......... No handouts you get tires at the track but then again your still at a disadvantage at showing up a day later........................

So by reading the above you can see there are good sides to all and bad sides as well, WELCOME to RACING COMPETITIVELY, racing with the big dogs at National Events usually cost more regardless of handout or not........ Your going to be at a DISADVANTAGE showing up a DAY late regardless of Handout or not................

Come on and lets all just race we do it for different reason already......... I will get beat and I will beat who cares......... Its apart of racing and thats the way it goes.........

Good Points Monti!

I think everyone realizes that you guys could choose to ruin a National event if we don't have handout tires. The assumption is that you guys won't do that, especially since there is no competing cap tire manufacturer. Maybe that assumption is wrong and you would choose to put out a special tire and ruin the race simply to prove a point. If so, then yeah I guess we better stick with handouts!

Personally I thought this discussion was pretty reasoned without much whining.

my simple answer is don't come, stay home!

Judging by the entry list it looks like most have taken your advice already.

Since I'm not attending the race. I won't address that directly. My point is merely stating...
Holy cr*p!!!! Monti banged all that out??!! How many keyboards were sacrificed to prove that point??!!

In all seriousness, I agree with Monti...too much internet+too little racing =bad results.

See ya on the rug Mangler.

dk

...too much internet+too little racing =bad results.



That is the best statement I have ever read on Hobbytalk.

Now boys, don't be hassling Monti, he's turning blue from holding his breath waiting for the Redlegs to make the playoffs.

Yah'll Boy's quit picking on Monti, He's my new hero.lol Benjie Wright
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How about the carpet Nats. at Classic RC Raceways and the asphalt at Freddie's

Steve:thumbsup: