Keep in mind this if for State, Regional and National level events. This has nothing to do with your local track if they decide to run a class not an "Official ROAR Class".

Also, this will be for Carpet as well as Paved so I need input from all of you.

Do we still need brushed classes? If so which ones?

PLEASE PICK ALL THE CLASSES YOU THINK SOULD BE RUN, YES YOU MAY PICK MORE THAN ONE.

For those of you who voted "Other".

What class would you like to see?

For those of you who voted "Other".

What class would you like to see?


that was moffre and harwood voting for touring oval !:rolleyes:

Other=Break out

Other=Break out


As an event on a State/Regional/National event level? If so, what class would the breakout be in?

Absolutely! Make it a stock car class. Any motor, any battery, pan car and a stock car body. I can't tell you how many times I have gone to a track for a big event and wished there was a break out class for the guy who has never seen the track before, really has no chance of "getting up to speed". MSA had a break out class at their big races and it was always a big class.

Cool! Something to consider.

katfish--good guess--breakout also--good post Echeconnee, run breakout now!!!!

Thanks Flip. I know breakout is not for everyone but there is a pretty big bunch of somebodies that would run it if available. The clock is the "Great Equalizer".

I never really liked the idea of a break out class until recently. I think it is a great idea. Make it a low budget/beginner class, and I think it would be perfect, and solve a lot of out problems with the "new" teachnology.

I voted for
17.5 4 cell
21.5 lipo
17.5 lipo
Other (break out)

I forgot to vote for open mod as well. That is always a great factory team class at big events!

Joel White

i personally say do away with roar. i know they've done some good but if you run oval think about what they've done for it in the last 15 yrs.

i personally say do away with roar. i know they've done some good but if you run oval think about what they've done for it in the last 15 yrs.



i am withya on that one brother!!!!! what has roar done in our region.....notta,so why would we even care what they do.

But they (ROAR) are now committed to helping Oval, and the oval committee I am sure have some good things for the upcoming year. Lets give them time, and not kill the idea before it even becomes reality.

I agree J-Dub. I have never been a big fan of ROAR for oval but there are some decent guys on the oval committee right now let's give them a season or two before we lynch them.

i personally say do away with roar. i know they've done some good but if you run oval think about what they've done for it in the last 15 yrs.

What a great attitude. :rolleyes:

I posted this as a member of the ROAR Oval Committee to get a feel for what you, the RACER wanted to see.

I think we can all agree that Oval is going in so many directions right now that it is not good. IMHO, I think it would only serve to better the hobby as a whole to have some sort of standard and a class structure that could be counted on for racers to ba able to decide what classe(s) they wanted to participate in.

Of course I could be wrong, I only have been at this fo 20+ years and was fortunate enough to be around in the Oval Heyday when there were 100+ racers at many weekly events and you had to have your entry in EARLY if you wanted a spot in the Nats. Of course that is when there were TWO CLASSES. Stock and Mod.

Buy hey what do I know?

:wave:

i am withya on that one brother!!!!! what has roar done in our region.....notta,so why would we even care what they do.


Then why not become more active in ROAR yourself? Become a Regional/State director. Get some interest in your Region, hit up the local tracks to have a State or Regional ROAR race.

You might just be suprised what a little POSITIVE work may do in your region instead of coming on here and griping.

Easy Scott, you have to understand that even though some of us would like to see ROAR OVAL work out it really has sucked for a looooooong time and you guys on the committee are going to have to pull a rabbit out of your hat if you plan on turning things around. I have my own opinions (that I will keep to myself) about the ways have been handled thus far but like I said earlier, " I am willing to give it a chance before I jump on the (ROAR SUCKS) bandwagon". Good Luck!

I full well understand the bad feelings.

What I want the racers to understand is that this did not get messed up overnight, nor will it get fixed overnight.

My goal is to give the racers the classes that will provide the best levels of competition.

BUT, this IS a "What Classes do you want ROAR to have for 2009" not a "What is wrong with ROAR thread."

Personally, I feel that the classes are too many and too watered down. The fewer classes I think is the better route. Think of it like this, go into Home Depot and look at the paint section. Talk about CHOICES!! Now imagine if you just had to pick from just a few colors. The decision on what to do would be much easier.

Scott, I’m afraid that it’s hard for some of us not to be critical towards ROAR when we see the same-o, same-o year after year. But you’re right; this is a “classes” thread.

Looking into the future, I only voted for two LiPo classes however, some of the brushed/4 cell classes will have to stay around for a while to allow people to make the change over. But it’s inevitable, LiPo will take over and with brushless/ LiPo working together, it’s counterproductive to have too many “Regional and above” class to dilute the field.

Lin -- I know.

Look guys, I am no Johnny Come Lately to Oval and to ROAR. I would certainly think if ROAR can survive some of the people that have headed it up and this Oval Committee does it's homework we can head it in the right direction.

Again, I am not saying we will hit it out of the park on the first try, but we really all do want what is best for the Oval Community as a whole.

Roar should just write the class rules themselves. It works for other Orgs so why not Roar? There are enough seasoned racers on the Roar committee now who have been there and done that. So why not name the classes yourselves? Face it, if you give racers a choice you will have twenty or more different classes. The only thing they will have in common will be the oval style chassis. Most racers will race what ever class is offered & most like to have the rules layed out for them. Narrow the choices to three or four classes and let'em rip!

If you must concentrate on anything it would be promoting/racing Roar oval. Find as many tracks that you can to hold Roar events. Attempt to overwhelm the racers with tracks to choose from. As the old saying goes, "if you build it they will come."

Just my thoughts:wave:

With the cost of r/c racing today & then add in the fuel crisis we all have been griping about, it's best to centralize the racing. In other words find the track in the middle of regions and hold events there.

Scott, you know there is a track that fits the mold here in Ala!

stick with the same classes that the brl uses they seem to care more about the classes in oval and keep it to just a few so when you attend an event you don't end up with only a half dozen in each class.

Then why not become more active in ROAR yourself? Become a Regional/State director. Get some interest in your Region, hit up the local tracks to have a State or Regional ROAR race.

You might just be suprised what a little POSITIVE work may do in your region instead of coming on here and griping.

thats a great attitude,i think i will go right out and join tomorow! we here in the midwest have this thing called the brl,no membership and no BS.good luck with your battle because roar has done NOTHING for oval racing but keep making promises.maybe it works for you guys down south ,but not here.and FYI i have contacted what was or is our region director a FEW different times only to get smoke blown up my @$$.

This is not the place - but the questions were asked...

So - The (what some people call) PROBLEM with ROAR is they are NOT a Oval Racing Organization. They are a R/C Racing organization, with their feet in MANY types of R/C cars.

They try to standardize as many types of racing as possible, while being FAIR to both Racers and Mfgs. to the best of the ability that a RACER RUN Organization can.

The LARGER forms of racing WILL get top billing and the MOST attention. It SHOULD be that way.

Oval racing is always in the need of something different. Coddling in effect of the oval racers. But, how many guys who want to show up and WIN a ROAR National Title...are really ROAR club members? Most want to PAY their membership the day of the race - and race THAT event, and/or Maybe ONE regional event.

However, ROAR is the legitimizer or R/C Rules. When it's PRINTED in ROAR's Rule Book, many, many tracks, clubs etc. use those rules as their RULE BIBLE.

You want 17.5 motors to be built by ALL the Brushless Companies instead of just NOVAK - get ROAR to legitimize the class - Wala... 17.5 motors being built Left and Right. Until then - mfgs. were On the Fence about building them.

WHO - WHAT IS R.O.A.R.?

Roar is a MEMBERSHIP Based "Club" with Nationally recognized Rules and Guidelines. It's there for racers to JOIN and SUPPORT. It's also there for some to volunteer their time to make the organization BETTER.

Remember - ROAR is R/C Racers working FOR YOU - mostly "Free of Charge"

thats a great attitude,i think i will go right out and join tomorow! we here in the midwest have this thing called the brl,no membership and no BS.good luck with your battle because roar has done NOTHING for oval racing but keep making promises.maybe it works for you guys down south ,but not here.and FYI i have contacted what was or is our region director a FEW different times only to get smoke blown up my @$$.

Sonny has done a great job with the BRL, but that is NOT what this thread is about.

As far as you and your Regional Director, if you are not getting satisfaction from him go to the next guy.

The thing is, IT IS NOT WORKING, that is why the current Oval Committee has been selected. Frankly Scarlet... what ROAR did in the PAST I cannot worry about. I can only worry about my CONTRIBUTION to try to improve it.

Tim, yes I know about that track. And my intentions are to see if the Club is interested in making a run for some ROAR races once we get the classes hammered out.

Hey Scott-
Do you have a time frame when the classes will be set?

Also guys the BRL is a great series, but why not work together instead of bash on series or the other. My hope is that SonnyB and the oval committe can work together and offer all of the same classes with the same rules. It would make life much easier for all involved...

J -- I wish I could give you that answer. I do know we are working at it. I think it would be great if we could have the classes decided by the time the Nats rolls around. MAybe not all of the rules per class but at least the announcement of what classes will be offered in 2009 for the Nats. To me that would be ideal.

Yeah, I think a lot of people are waiting on the rules for some upcoming events before they buy equipment. I know I am waiting on some rules to be put down for the Oval Masters, Snow Birds, BRL, and ROAR. I just hope that we can use all the same equipment for all the races.

Joel White

500 views and only 48 voted??

500 views and only 48 voted??

Only 48 people care what ROAR does.

I'm guessing you put this thread here, instead of the ROAR forum, is because you new no one looks there, lol.

Only 48 people care what ROAR does.

I'm guessing you put this thread here, instead of the ROAR forum, is because you new no one looks there, lol.

Ok, I will give you that one. :cool:

I put it here to get the most exposure.

As far as only 48 caring. Maybe only caring enough to vote. Much like our presidential election coming up.

It's not a matter of caring in some cases. Some of us have moved on to other areas of the hobby and it would not be fair to register a vote either way. Many of us started our racing in electric and still do care to see it live on whether it be through Roar or any Org.

So, if I did vote and it counted the classes would be 27t, 19t & open.


Good Luck

...I care, but currently there is NO Roar racing in my area...so I won't vote, since it won't directly affect me.

There really hasn't been any ROAR Oval Racing in CA (Other than up at the old STOCKTON Carpet track) in quite sometime.

Sonny has done a great job with the BRL, but that is NOT what this thread is about.

As far as you and your Regional Director, if you are not getting satisfaction from him go to the next guy.

The thing is, IT IS NOT WORKING, that is why the current Oval Committee has been selected. Frankly Scarlet... what ROAR did in the PAST I cannot worry about. I can only worry about my CONTRIBUTION to try to improve it.

Scott H ..... gotta love your attitude man:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: This is the same reason I got involved with ROAR as well. It's this kind of attitude that is needed to move ROAR and oval racing forward in a positive direction. Keep up the good attitude and work. I know ROAR hasn't been what the oval racers want or need, or at least that's the vocal postings I read. With attitudes like this things will get better. Give your oval committee and the current Excomm an opportunity to move this forward in a positive direction and try and keep it positive.

Ruben Benitez
ROAR Competition Director

WHO - WHAT IS R.O.A.R.?

Roar is a MEMBERSHIP Based "Club" with Nationally recognized Rules and Guidelines. It's there for racers to JOIN and SUPPORT. It's also there for some to volunteer their time to make the organization BETTER.

Remember - ROAR is R/C Racers working FOR YOU - mostly "Free of Charge"

Joe ...... love the post, thanks for the support. But we don't work for racers "Mostly Free of Charge" the ROAR Excomm and Prez all work FREE of charge:thumbsup: Hopefully we'll see you on my old track in Lindsay this summer.

Ruben Benitez
ROAR Competition Director

Ruben

I knew that - but...didn't want to say ALL work for FREE cause I believe the RMT does get paid..and didn't want any conflicting statements.

We'll be on your OLD RUG the 27th for our series race... We were up there a few weeks ago for a warm up day... WOW what a facility they have going on! INCREDIBLE

I'm not a member of ROAR (don't believe in them). I don't run on carpet because there is no track within 4 hrs of home. I am a serious new dirt oval racer, but I voted on the classes here because I'd like to see some type of national rules. It would be nice if all the rulemakers, BRL, Snowbirds, Oval Masters, ROAR, could get some type of sense of what the racers have to say. You need to let them know what you think.
I would like to do some carpet oval racing this winter if I can find a place to go. But I will most likely stay with the dirt oval. I went for the 17.5/lipo, 21.5/lipo and the 13.5/4cell because there is a lot of that class fairly close by.