the new aggressor sprint car has hit the market and also the new aggressor 2 super modified, check out our web site at www.theaggressor.20m.com we also have a photo gallery. thank you:woohoo:

any pics of the super modified

we will have pictures of the new super modified by the end of the week, check back with us and we would love to hear any feed back on the cars, thank you, bob bates

Looks good Bob! Keep up the good work!

thank you chance, how you been doing?

Yeap, Nice car! Also Nice shocks!
Glade I sent Gabe a shock so he could copy it. People shouldn't do that:(!That is the Invader shock. :confused:

the new aggressor sprint car has hit the market and also the new aggressor 2 super modified, check out our web site at www.theaggressor.20m.com (http://www.theaggressor.20m.com) we also have a photo gallery. thank you:woohoo:

thank you jeff i had no ideah it was the invader shocks. but they work great.

I am doing pretty good. Still building chassis. Every time I build a chassis for Jeff he sells it after he races it once....if he races it at all! I think I have built him twenty now? J/K LOL....But I am doing great. Hoping to go to Minnasota as well as the final showdown in Boulder. How have you guys been?

OK GUY. Get to work!!! I need 4 more I have enough parts to build 10 cars so you are running behind.:thumbsup:I am doing pretty good. Still building chassis. Every time I build a chassis for Jeff he sells it after he races it once....if he races it at all! I think I have built him twenty now? J/K LOL....But I am doing great. Hoping to go to Minnasota as well as the final showdown in Boulder. How have you guys been?

we are doing okay brian doesn't race anymore,hes into planes. i am doing okay, just enjoy building cars i like the designing part of it its fun, and makes you feel good when it does good. i'm glad you are doing good, and good luck in the up comming races.

you better get to work, lol.

those look like INVADER shocks..is that what they are?

Copy Cat Shocks. Thats NOT COOL.!!!:(
Hope he can live with it. Better yet hope I run into him in Boulder.:rolleyes:those look like INVADER shocks..is that what they are?

i dont know why everyone is comming down on me i had no ideah, if anyone would like to talk to me you can at 951-805-0349 but i understand where you are comming from like i said i had no ideah that they were invader shocks. i been running lightining for years. bob

Not you Bud. i dont know why everyone is comming down on me i had no ideah, if anyone would like to talk to me you can at 951-805-0349 but i understand where you are comming from like i said i had no ideah that they were invader shocks. i been running lightining for years. bob

thank you for calling me jeff it was good to hear from you, i'm glad that no one is upset with me, i understand where you are comming from. and congrats on all your wins, and i'm still helping bobs motorsports building cars, bullseye are great cars to.

Is this a replacement for the Bullseye? Or is this a completely separate entity?

The sprinter looks very nice.

JB

No! The bullseye is in production as week speak. I will be recieveing cars next week for resale.
I also have two bullseye stock car chassis or truck chassis that will be ready next week. Thanks for checking.:thumbsup:
Is this a replacement for the Bullseye? Or is this a completely separate entity?

The sprinter looks very nice.

JB

Nice talking with you Bob. I will be in touch. My get you to do some updating on a car for me. Thanks for a great truck chassis and sprint chassis:thumbsup:.thank you for calling me jeff it was good to hear from you, i'm glad that no one is upset with me, i understand where you are comming from. and congrats on all your wins, and i'm still helping bobs motorsports building cars, bullseye are great cars to.

no this isn't the replacement for bullseye, bullseye is still in production and bobs motorsports is taking orders as we speak i am working with bob on the bullseye to. the aggressor is the newest arrival has no clamps for shocks or paner rods, i built the chassis with sets of holes to bolt these down and slots for the shocks on the aggressor for different adjustments. i will also have the aggressor 2 which is a super modified will have pictures posted soon. if you have any question you can contact me at 951-805-7830 thanks bob bates jr #99

i also forgot to mention that bullseye doesn't have clamps for paner rods no more eithier and no more x under front servos for more adjustment, new upgrades from bobs motorsports.

Copy Cat Shocks. Thats NOT COOL.!!!:(
Hope he can live with it. Better yet hope I run into him in Boulder.:rolleyes:
Jeff, half of the products out on the market in 1/4 scale were copied by someone as were bodies (back poured) many years ago and there nothing anyone can do about it. Might as well get used to it. Its sad that people cant develop there our products without coping someone elses stuff and this has been going on for as long as I can remember. This type of behavoir only brings the sport down, what is needed is fresh ideas and promoting 1/4 scale racing to the public to attact new racers to make the sport grow and not be all about the money. There too much focus on making money but you cant make money if you dont get new racers and the sport will dwindle to those who can afford to race intead of those who want to race. As I have witnessed the cars have not evolved in the last ten years the technoligy is pretty much the same and no one is pushed to the edge of technoligy by new products and ideas. Any takers??? DD

Jeff, half of the products out on the market in 1/4 scale were copied by someone as were bodies (back poured) many years ago and there nothing anyone can do about it. Might as well get used to it. Its sad that people cant develop there our products without coping someone elses stuff and this has been going on for as long as I can remember. This type of behavoir only brings the sport down, what is needed is fresh ideas and promoting 1/4 scale racing to the public to attact new racers to make the sport grow and not be all about the money. There too much focus on making money but you cant make money if you dont get new racers and the sport will dwindle to those who can afford to race intead of those who want to race. As I have witnessed the cars have not evolved in the last ten years the technoligy is pretty much the same and no one is pushed to the edge of technoligy by new products and ideas. Any takers??? DD

If you seriously looked at the sprint cars of today vs. those of a few years back you will notice that they have changed considerably. The sprint car was a dead class untill Randy Baker and myself started making changes to the older cars and made them much more durable. Where do you think the idea for the clamp on front axles you see today, Randy Baker. The laydown motor? Bob elliott was the first sprint car I know of that had it and Randy and I bench raced the idea on the way home from a Texas race and now they are every where. Randy Baker had the first trailing arm sprint car and now the are everywhere. There have been improvements over the years and todays cars are better because of the ideas of some racers. I have seen todays sprint cars take hits that would have folded up an earlier sprinter. Stock cars too.

i agree the sprint car class has came along way and yes they have changed alot along with my designs with the bullseye cars and with the aggressor. as far as the shocks that i have on my cars i had no ideah they were copies, jeff and i already discussed this and i understand where everyone is comming from, and dont blame jeff at all for being upset about the copies. i was offered to try them, and i did and they worked great, i been running lighning shocks for years. but i am glad everyone on here has these discussions, and honesty of how everyone feels about certain things. and i think i would be upset to if i made something and it was copied even though theres nothing we can do. i'm glad the sprint classes and other classes are starting to grow. i've seen alot of different people over the years come and go since the early 90's when i started racing 1/4 scale and some of the racers i used to race with years ago are comming back. its great to see them racing again.

If you seriously looked at the sprint cars of today vs. those of a few years back you will notice that they have changed considerably. The sprint car was a dead class untill Randy Baker and myself started making changes to the older cars and made them much more durable. Where do you think the idea for the clamp on front axles you see today, Randy Baker. The laydown motor? Bob elliott was the first sprint car I know of that had it and Randy and I bench raced the idea on the way home from a Texas race and now they are every where. Randy Baker had the first trailing arm sprint car and now the are everywhere. There have been improvements over the years and todays cars are better because of the ideas of some racers. I have seen todays sprint cars take hits that would have folded up an earlier sprinter. Stock cars too.
Fred, I do agree that todays cars are no as brittle as they used to be however the maximum weght limit have also changed so you can build a stronger car to withstand more punishment. When 1/4 scale started the weght limited on sprint cars was 16 pounds and then went to 19 pounds later on so guys were using a lot of plastic product to make there cars as light as possible no to mention heat races were 10 laps and main events were 30 laps and 40 at nationals and they were allowed to use alcohol with nitro which made the cars very fast. With a 22 pound weght limit you can beef up areas that were weak back in the day. As for the lay down motor I see no advantage other than being more accessible to certain areas of the motor and direction of the air filter which allows more air to the intake and we all know that turns into horsepower. As for the trailing arms those were ideas that were used back in the day and there are pros and cons to what is better (four link, watts link, trailing arms) and is personal preferance. All Im saying is we need some fresh ideas on a consistant basis to help the sport grow like more parking lot races that attract the attention of the people who have never even heard of a 1/4 scale car. Just my opinion. DD

With a 22 pound weght limit you can beef up areas that were weak back in the day.

While getting off of the thread topic a bit...

Have any of the other sprint car competitors considered the impact of raising miminum weight of sprint cars to 25 lbs?

Personally, I don't know of many, if really any, of today's sprint cars that can get down to a bare-bones 22 lbs minimum weight.

Just throwing out the question.

Thanks,
JB
:thumbsup:

the Aggressor weights in bare bones at 4 1/2 lbs.and total weight is close to 23 lbs. incase anyone wanted to know.

While getting off of the thread topic a bit...

Have any of the other sprint car competitors considered the impact of raising miminum weight of sprint cars to 25 lbs?

Personally, I don't know of many, if really any, of today's sprint cars that can get down to a bare-bones 22 lbs minimum weight.

Just throwing out the question.

Thanks,
JB
:thumbsup:
Why would you want to change to 25 pounds. I would like to see it back to 19 pounds. Just my opinion. DD

Why would you want to change to 25 pounds. I would like to see it back to 19 pounds. Just my opinion. DD

I would want to change because 22 lbs is an unreleastic bogey or weight target.

Why would you want to go back to 19 lbs?

From my experience and the cars I have seen, it would be virtually impossible to build a car that would be that light weight.

Objectively, I could shave weight and get a car down to 24 lbs or..., possibly 23.5 lbs, but that would be after lightening almost every single aspect of the entire car.

JB
:thumbsup:

In my opinion....it doesnt matter how much they weigh or what you "beefen" up. Sprint cars are still open wheel cars and are very vulnrable....no matter what you are gonna tear shit up! LOL


My two cents,
Chance

Lets stir it up..in my opinion the more they weigh the better they corner..if the sprint car is 8 to 9 pounds lighter than a grand national shouldnt they be 3 to 5 tenths faster per lap?

if we were drag racing you would want lighter gets up to speed quicker, but we are going in circles once up to speed you need it to stick in the corners!

LOL
Not in the Truck class. Just ask Randy Brown. LOL:thumbsup:
Lets stir it up..in my opinion the more they weigh the better they corner..if the sprint car is 8 to 9 pounds lighter than a grand national shouldnt they be 3 to 5 tenths faster per lap?

Lets stir it up..in my opinion the more they weigh the better they corner..if the sprint car is 8 to 9 pounds lighter than a grand national shouldnt they be 3 to 5 tenths faster per lap?

In theory one would think this would be true . With the stock cars having independant suspension and the more areodynamic bodies they stick to the ground better . Put a straight axle in them and see how fast they go . Or better yet , cut the rear spoiler down to actual 1/4 scale of a cup car and see how they handle . How's that for stirring the pot ?

That would be fun to watch. LOL
Maybe thats why my truck is hooked up is the 4" spoiler. LOL:thumbsup:
In theory one would think this would be true . With the stock cars having independant suspension and the more areodynamic bodies they stick to the ground better . Put a straight axle in them and see how fast they go . Or better yet , cut the rear spoiler down to actual 1/4 scale of a cup car and see how they handle . How's that for stirring the pot ?

let me stir the pot i'm putting shocks on the top wing of the super mod so it will flatten down the straight away and go up in the corners.:woohoo:

let me stir the pot i'm putting shocks on the top wing of the super mod so it will flatten down the straight away and go up in the corners.:woohoo:

Why not try it . Most of the modifieds ya see work that way . Was thinking about that a couple years ago for the sprinter and was reminded that sprinters wings shift forward and back but not like the modifieds up and down action .

Getting the Top wing to slide back & forward would not be to hard to do ,As now days there are servos out there that are standard size and have over 300 ounces of torque , just build a slider to mount the wing on and run a cable , could get a little wild if the car getts flipped and lands on the wing tho. I would hook the top wing to the throttle servo , Wake up Bob your dreamin again ,,,,:thumbsup: Nice looking car Bob ,have fun with it

Getting the Top wing to slide back & forward would not be to hard to do ,As now days there are servos out there that are standard size and have over 300 ounces of torque , just build a slider to mount the wing on and run a cable , could get a little wild if the car getts flipped and lands on the wing tho. I would hook the top wing to the throttle servo , Wake up Bob your dreamin again ,,,,:thumbsup: Nice looking car Bob ,have fun with it

i'm having alot of fun designing,building, comming up with wild ideahs, maybe we all could jump in on the action put all our ideahs together, i'm having alot of fun.:thumbsup:

i didnt see anything in the rule book saying you couldn't use 1/10 scale shocks for top wing adjustments, please let me know if i'm wrong because i'm planning on racing the next qsac west race in arizona, with the new aggressor super modified, i will let everyone know the feedback on this. i'm having a blast. and i cant wait till we get our new aggressor billet trailing arms in stock (all one piece). will post pictures when we get them in and they will also be on our web site.

That would be fun to watch. LOL
Maybe thats why my truck is hooked up is the 4" spoiler. LOL:thumbsup:

That's funny , I thought the spoiler rule was 3" for trucks .

i didnt see anything in the rule book saying you couldn't use 1/10 scale shocks for top wing adjustments, please let me know if i'm wrong because i'm planning on racing the next qsac west race in arizona, with the new aggressor super modified, i will let everyone know the feedback on this. i'm having a blast. and i cant wait till we get our new aggressor billet trailing arms in stock (all one piece). will post pictures when we get them in and they will also be on our web site.

The rule book doesn't say what you can't do but it does say the car must resemble a East or West coast modified ......

The pot is boiling over. LOL:thumbsup:That's funny , I thought the spoiler rule was 3" for trucks .