This is just a survey, that is meant to find out what it would take to get more guys to run nitro pan cars. I am asking anyone and everyone to post on here how they feel about nitro racing, and what they would like too see in order to run nitro. I do not care what you put or how you put it, just give any ideas and lets see how out of hand this gets. However, please keep it as clean as possible, simply because kids may be looking.
Thanks-Benjie Wright

outdoor paved oval, people to race and some one to show me how to work on the beast .. other then that give me a controller an im down for anything that turns left:thumbsup:

This is just a survey, that is meant to find out what it would take to get more guys to run nitro pan cars.

seeing 30 guys do it before me......

It's the chicken or the egg question, I'm up for racing anything, but before I invest in a new car I want to know that when I show up at my local track there's going to be atleast a handful of guys to race with. Truth be told I'd much rather run Nitro cars, but at my track there are no nitro oval guys, So I bought an electric pan car. The hardest part is to get 4 or 5 guys to get a nitro and run them every week. If you could do that more people would get involved after time.

I tell you guys what. I know Tim has an extra car that he takes with him. You show up to a GASCAR event and I will pay the entry fee for you to race and COYOTE will put a car in your hands. (for the day). I bet once you get the thrill of a Nitro main in your blood you will only want more.

I do fully understand about the "quantity of racers" to show up before you race that class. But if 5 of you guys decided to make the swap, I would bet that more would follow.

As far as the little engines go, they can be a PITA, especially if you let me mess with them. :D I tend to tune myself in left field. Just ask anyone at the last GASCAR event. I have found/learned the hard way that a LITTLE IS A LOT and don't tinker with it so much. Take them out of the box, break them in the put them in the car and tune them on the track.

Actually, Nitro Oval Racing is cheaper in the long haul, than electric. no "Battery wars" or "motor wars", either. Just gas 'er up and race!! And contrary to most fears out there, our BSR Radial tires dont wear out any quicker than they do on electrics... given that your car is set up correctly. Any bad handling car will chew up tires. There has always been a "fear" of nitro for some reason, but like Scott said, show up to one of our GASCAR races, and I will put you in a Coyote for the day. One bitten by the nitro oval bug.........you just cant seem to get enough of it.

Tim

There really is something addictive about nitro racing. I’m not sure if it’s the noise of the engines or the smell of the nitro or all of that tied together but racing nitro pan oval is a neat thing to do.

Cost wise; I can normally get away with two sets of tires a season. I’ll buy another new set for the ROAR Nationals but I would do that in electric too so that’s a wash. A gallon of 20% Nitro fuel will last all season and at 20 bucks a gallon it may end up being cheaper than the 87 octane that I put in my real car.

The engines for the .12’s or the .09’s will run about the same as a new brushless motor. As for a chassis you have a choice between Coyote, KSG, Hyperdrive or Bandit and if you are frugal, you can normally shop around and find a good used bargain. So it will not cost anymore to try Nitro than it will to try brushless.

One VERY good point that no one has brought up yet is that there are very little sponsorships in the Nitro world so everyone is running pretty much an even game.

But if you are scared of having fun and racing in good competition, you may not want to try it.

I LOVE IT, I had forgotten how much I missed it until I got the car out there on the track again.......

BITTEN once again, SELLING OUT OF ELECTRIC STUFF..........

O.K guys, i see there have been several people view this thread. But not as many as i hoped have replied to it. All i am asking is for you to reply, i am not asking you to go buy a car (yet). Just need your replies, whatever the reasons are, just so we can use your ideas to help fix nitro pan. I remember when it got started and was really popular at the bowl, i would love to see that type of crowd again running in a class that i and many others love so much. (Please Reply) Thanks=Benjie Wright

:(Around here the local noise police have shut down most nitro racing. Unless you are out in the back 40 and miles away from people it hasn't worked up here. We had an indoor nitro track that got complaints. I miss the nitro racing. We raced Custom Works and Cobra sprint cars on asphalt with the other classes as trucks and pan cars. I agree it was less hassle. Its been 3 years now and it doesn't look like nitro will make a comeback.

Now that is sad, And it is one that i had never thought or heard of.I appreciate you sharing that, again, it is one that i had never heard of.Thanks again Ken. Maybe you can move to a more nitro friendly neighborhood.LOL
Later=Benjie Wright

A track with a good ventilation system. Long winters up here you know.

Actually, Nitro Oval Racing is cheaper in the long haul, than electric. no "Battery wars" or "motor wars", either. Just gas 'er up and race!!

Nitro is almost as much as a new motor these days. And it's only going to get worse :freak:

Gascar will be at the grove this weekend. It's a blast to watch, but there has been a guy trying to get nitro going at our track and nobody seems to be interested.

:(Around here the local noise police have shut down most nitro racing.

Well do what I did and become a member of QSAC and the IQSR just to be able to get mine out, I will pay to play with it, plus I have a 1/4 scale car but first I joined to have access to the track that will let me use my Nitro Oval Car.... Come on down check it out Ingalls IN......

I'd be more willing to run nitro if there was a good indoor facility that could handle nitro. I love racing outside, but even in Indy we don't have the luxury of warm winters. Also this year we've had an abundance of rain.

There is usually somewhere that I can run my electric stuff all year, but not always the same option for nitro.

No nitrol here, in fact I am converting an 1/8th to electric now. Different type of car, I understand, I ran nitro in past. It is fun. I think the locations to run nitro are going to decrease due to environmental pressures and the fact that many have been run in locations that did nothing for public relations. Lipo and brushless are making major changes in electric RC. Nitro has not evolved much since the "early days".

A couple of years ago I watched two guys run nitro pan cars on a dirt oval and was too intimidated to even think of trying it myself but this weekend at Freddies asphalt oval between one of the 1/4 scale races, John from BSR, went out with a nitro pan running caps and all I could think was "I gotta get one of those!" I'm not sure I can handle that kind of speed but I'd sure like to try! I can easily see the mod guys making the jump if they could see it run and talk to those who do.:thumbsup:

Ohio Norm -- Don't be intimidated. I think the NP cars are about the speed of the quick 19t cars, mod full blown mod.

John is fast with his NP car and a great guy to race with. You should have talked to him about it.

If you are going to make the Nats, look up the Coyote Crew and we will do what we can for ya.

Thanks for keeping it clean so far guys. I can understand what nutz4rc is saying, we all know how different the world is today(and a lot of it is done to help us) But it is hard to believe they would make us quit running our little rc cars. I know for sure how much Lipo and Brushless are doing for rc racing, and it is great to see that, just hope and wish we can convert a few over to nitro. But as Scott said-Please do not be intimidated by it, anyone running it will be more than happy to help get you started. There are two classes right now-.12 and .09, they will both run about the same speed, just the .12 has more yank and is just a tad harder to control than the.09 however the .09 is indeed just about like a fast 19 turn car, and they can be just as much fun as the .12. Please keep the suggestions and ideas coming, so far no one has cussed it anyway.lol Thanks-Benjie Wright

Sorry guys about the extra post here, but i also wanted to say that anyone thinking of running nitro is more than welcome to try out my Jalopy, no deposit required just take the remote and let it rip, It is homemade anyway so if it gets that torn up i will just cut up a bunch of extra parts and create another one. It may not be running with the fast guys, but it will give you a good sense of how much fun nitro is. Anyone is welcome too.
Thanks =Benjie Wright

Can i drive it PheeePheeeee. pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee.

Unfortunately Old#3 the car was built by a professional for a professional. SO NOOOOOOOOOOOO.LOL MAN:p

True, Nitro Oval is an outdoor racing venue. Very few indoor nitro tracks, except dirt. That is a shame, as it is so much fun to race. When we first started racing nitro oval at the SugarBowl in Atlanta, we all had to use a certain gear ratio and restrictors because of the local regulations......... even though we were out in the sticks.....so to speak. But, nitro engines, with mufflers, are not that loud. Just sound like a bunch of killer bees......LOL I guess the biggest drawback to nitro is having an outdoor track. We race from April thru June, take July off, then race from August to November. Our season usually consists of 6 races, and our points totals count the best 4 out of the 6 races. Gives you room to miss one or two. keep this thread open, thanks for the input, guys!!

Nitro racing is a seasonal thing. After a winter of carpet I am more than ready to get outside on the caps. The nitro season is my slow season. I run about once a month from April to September. The cost is a lot less than electric (at least before Lipo and brushless) I have been using about two set of caps a season and one motor. There is just something about hearing the sound of your car comming off the corner. Today you can get different classes of nitro to suit your speed fix. For the last two years I have only used one motor a season in the .09 Rc-Oval series. The cost of a base motor $49.95 with the one time purchase of a coolng head, carb adaptor and muffler stinger. Bringing the cost to about $85.00 for your first motor. I can not speek for the .12 cost because I have not ran the class, but I think it may not be that much more.

I was all most ready to get out of RC racing untill I tried Nitro. True it does take a few racers starting to get it going. There is a little learning curve on motor tuning, but as in most racing today the racers are very helpfull.

what would it take-to get ya into NITRO

BEING FORCED at GUNPOINT maybe. I tried the NITRO Pan Car deal ONCE - got frustrated and parked the car for several years...and GAVE it to McLin to pass to someone who might enjoy it.

I run NITRO Off-Road races for our LHS - and watch those guys with the 1/8th scale TRUGGYS, and think everyonce in a while ... man those look fun. Then I watch as only 2 or 3 of them usually finish a 10 car main. (Now, a LIPO/BRUSHLESS Converted NITRO Car - running against THEM heavy tanks...might be fun~ - LOL)

....oh at my LHS today - they said their fuel went to $42.00 a GALLON today (along with our gasoline price to $4.69 a gallon)

....oh at my LHS today - they said their fuel went to $42.00 a GALLON today (along with our gasoline price to $4.69 a gallon)

WHAT in the WORLD!?!?! What fuel are they selling for $42/gal?

I feel for ya, I saw gas for $5.13/gal at the station right outside the Orlando Airport. What a crook!! Right down the street I got it for $3.89.

No way should they be allowed to sell it for that much $42/gal that is pure nuts.......

I mean support the local boys but thats crazy you can get 4 gallons for around $100.

...I believe the fuel was either 20 or 30% NITRO (Not being a Nitro guy they could have been talking GREEK)

Gasoline on the other hand...our CHEAPEST station today was $4.45, and average was $4.51, but one that was 4.69 was 4.49 yesterday - and based on what the others have been doing the last two weeks..TOMORROW I expect all the ones that were 4.45 - 4.51 today to be at 4.69 tomorrow - OR HIGHER!

Nitro fuel is a comity in a hobby shop just like glow plugs or airplanes, its price should not change with the changing gas prices. $42 is extremely high and sounds like someone is trying to take advantage of the situation. At Easley, 20% fuel is $20 a gallon.

For those who are not familiar with shipping costs for nitro. It is usually the hazmat fee that makes the nitro fuel go up like that. We stopped selling gallons and went to quarts. The fee for quarts is either overlooked or a under minimum. I drive a delivery truck that ships hazmat items and that fee has increased steadily over the last 2 years both to us and to our customers. Unless you can buy a pallet of gallons and divide the cost over more gallons instead of 3 or 4 at a time it is VERY expensive to ship in small quatities over quart size.

I'm not going to mention the name of the supplier but look at the cost below for 20% racing fuel. You have to buy in 4 gallon qty but it's still reasonable at $32.25 per gallon this includes the surcharge which is the hazmat fee.

A LHS had fuel for about $25 gallon about a month ago.

To be honest here, if you are looking to use the cost of nitro fuel as a reason not to jump into nitro racing, you're only kidding yourself. Those of us that have been there (electrics) and done that can only tell you that the rewards pay off in the first few races!! I have not raced nitro in a little over a year due to concentrating on 1/4 scale, but I never regreted the move to nitro. Plus, as one of the founding fathers of GASCAR, I can only speak from my experience(s) with the class... it is a blast! :thumbsup:


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For me it took the 6 cell Spec class dying off and 4 cell being the only option other than nitro. The first time I raced a nitro car I wondered why the @#*! I hadn't been doing it all along. The cars just have a different feel. Bascially, they handle really bad compared to an electric car because of the weight distribution and the amount of torque, so you have to drive them. There are no engine sponsors in paved oval nitro racing, so whatever straightaway speed you find is from tuning or messing with the very few things that you can mess with on the engine. Of course, speed around the race track really comes from handling and driving because the cars are so hard to handle. The best thing about nitro though is the other racers. They just have a different attitude that is hard to explain; they are helpful and friendly, but still race you as hard as they can. I'm sure nitro is not for everyone, but if you've ever just thought about trying it you should. If you're in the South get an .09 and go to an RC-Oval.com Nitro Series race or get a .12 and go to a GASCAR race. Anyone in either series will be glad to help you get going and glad to have you there, but still try to beat you as bad as they can.

Sam -- EXCELLENT post.

I have said it before, the Nitro bunch is the greatest group of racers.

Come race with us and see what you have been missing!!

This is just a survey, that is meant to find out what it would take to get more guys to run nitro pan cars. I am asking anyone and everyone to post on here how they feel about nitro racing, and what they would like too see in order to run nitro. I do not care what you put or how you put it, just give any ideas and lets see how out of hand this gets. However, please keep it as clean as possible, simply because kids may be looking.
Thanks-Benjie Wright

I would be more inclined to run nitro if:
1)If the Maid Brigade cleaned the oil/dirt off after each run:thumbsup:
2)If the elite electric drivers ran nitro
3) If the class used "GREEN" engines,lol (and i'm a conservative!)
4)If the Maid Brigade had Bikinis cleaners between 10 and 2:thumbsup:

Cleaning them is easy.

Step 1) Go to WalMart and buy a quart of Isopropyl Alcohol.
Step 2) Also purchase an empty spray bottle
Step 3) Pour alcohol in spray bottle
Step 4) Spray car with alcohol
Step 5) Use compressed air to blow off car.

GREEN ENIGNES?!?!? You tree hugger! LOL!

ISO works great thats what I use..............

.12 KSG I just bought is working great, its also loose coming off but hey I will keep working with it too and get them both setup right eventually..........

An excerpt from a future article:

“………………………and as strange as it may sound, I really think that it’s the noise that makes the difference. Electric racing, in some cases, is actually faster so it’s not the blazing speed of the nitro cars that does it. It’s not how close we race to each other or how evenly matched the cars are….. It’s the noise! Even in the best of electric racing there is that “silence” that makes it feel un-real. With the nitro cars you have the sounds and smells that I spoke of that puts a realism into it that is very hard to explain. I pull on the throttle of an electric car and it goes faster, I pull on a gas car and I “hear” it go faster. It’s almost something that you have to experience before you really understand it.”

I dunno Lin, those .12's @ Easley are pretty darn fast! lol. But I know what you mean by the sound and the smell, there is nothing like it!

tHE .09's are pretty sporty too !! LOL

Yeah the .09 are good and fast enough just ask the 1/4 scale boys where I run mine, LOL......

Wait until you put a .12 in it. You will really be passing them!

Got a .12 in the KSG Gen2 it definately goes thats forsure......

lol, Scott knows all about getting passed by a KSG!!!! OMG, I just couldn't resist that one.

Not as well as you know what it is like being biten by a Coyote!


p.s. That was a good one!

How is the track coming?

I would be more inclined to run nitro if:
1)If the Maid Brigade cleaned the oil/dirt off after each run:thumbsup:
2)If the elite electric drivers ran nitro
3) If the class used "GREEN" engines,lol (and i'm a conservative!)
4)If the Maid Brigade had Bikinis cleaners between 10 and 2:thumbsup:

The answer to #2
Andy Mac
John Foister
Marty Hillman
Roger D
Garry Warren
Stan Bracket
To name a few who are Nat. Champions

Add Gary Warren and Stan Brackett

you don't want to wreck with a Coyote car they are put together like a tank, you will certainly come out on the losing end of that deal. The track will be finished soon, we ar just doing some framing for the bathrooms and some last minute stuff on the electrical and lighting.Not as well as you know what it is like being biten by a Coyote!


p.s. That was a good one!

How is the track coming?

This is just a survey, that is meant to find out what it would take to get more guys to run nitro pan cars.
Thanks-Benjie Wright


Honestly, Cost.

The cheapest kit I've seen was around $400. Cut it in half and I'll give up electric.

Hyperdrive and KSG both have a conversion Kit to help defray that cost, but mostly its the rear bottom and rear top plate that need to be changed, other than that you can make just about any oval pancar into a Nitro from what I have seen.......

I would only suggest getting a full blown Nitro Kit but a good conversion would help out those of you that dont want to make the whole change......

Cut it in half?

Is there any ELECTRIC kit that is $200? Not a cinversion but a full kit.

I have not seen any of the full kits for anywhere near that, add $100+ sure.

I have seen several full cars ARR in here for about that price.

You could sell all your batteries and motors and probably buy fuel for 2 years.