There are numerous threads about cost savings, fair competition and getting new people involved. With that being said. Why wouldn't a breakout class work for spec racing?

21.5 Lipo class comes to mind along with 13.5. If there was a breakout drivers would not have to be worried about chasing rotors, motors or speed controls. Whether or not these variables make a difference is moot. If racers percieve them as helpful, you will never change minds.

In light of the cost of traveling to races and a poor economy, now more than ever racers just want to know they have a fair shot at winning. To me breakout just makes sense. :thumbsup:

one word, NO. The breakout class has its cycle every time there is a decline in racers. It starts off as a great class then QUICKLY gets boring and dies. Racers that can tune a car for the min lap time set wins regularly and still runs off new racers that is learning/getting better due to being discouraged because they cannot see they are improving.

A novice class can work at some tracks but it takes ALL the racers to support it, not just 1 or 2. To keep new racers interested, people will need to teach legal secrets of being fast to the new racers not tell/do it for them.

Nope it wont work. Its not really racing in my eyes. I see a need for a novice class, but they change to much. Most tracks can't support 2 or 3 classes, so adding more is not the answer.

one word, NO. The breakout class has its cycle every time there is a decline in racers. It starts off as a great class then QUICKLY gets boring and dies. Racers that can tune a car for the min lap time set wins regularly and still runs off new racers that is learning/getting better due to being discouraged because they cannot see they are improving.

A novice class can work at some tracks but it takes ALL the racers to support it, not just 1 or 2. To keep new racers interested, people will need to teach legal secrets of being fast to the new racers not tell/do it for them.

Ditto!! At most tracks that support a breakout class, the top dogs move down to it!! The tracks in turn say "nothing", because it's another entry that is the staple of them keeping the track open. :(

Nope. Won't work

The goal should be to get faster, not try to keep it slow.
Once a racer figures out a consistant min lap setup, they stop wrenching and stop learing.

It may not save oval, but I can remember when I started to race asphalt at a track Mike Boylan had in Sarasota (University Speedway) he had a 19 turn breakout and a full open breakout. First of all I have raced for over 20 years, so i'm not a "newbie". But when I went to the track and saw the local "hotshoes" I decided to try the breakout first. My goal was simple. Learn how to set the car up for asphalt and then run breakout until I could breakout and feel comfortable enough to move up to the open ranks.

Yes, I had enough experience to learn well, run in the class, win the breakout championship and then move up the race with the big boys. I guess my point is that I used it as a stepping stone and that ain't a bad thing on a local level.

Tin Man

Ginsu, all the above answers might be righ for their location but we have run a break out class for better than 10 years and it has been great. You know there are some people that like to toss the car in a closet until the next race. They don't care to learn, wrench or spend gobs of money on their car. They just like hanging out at the track, running around in circles with their friends and watching the big spenders race. MSA had a great break out following and would probably would still be running it if the owner had not passed away. The good thing about break out is that it takes most everything out of the race but the driving, it's a thinking mans game. It is more important to drive clean than be fast, a fact that most people have trouble with, especially the folks that think they can just buy the speed and get into a class above their ability where they become frustrated quickly and they quit. So give it a try, don't make it too slow as that is boring. Take the average lap time off your "stock" class and make the break out 3 to 5 tenths slower.

Its not a bad idea to use it as a stepping stone, but most people wont leave a class that they can dominate for one that they may never win.

Breakout classes are the biggest draws at our track. Its been three seasons now, and they grow every week! We are consistently sporting full mains in both...

Our Breakout is a minimum lap time. its simple, turn a faster lap than the set time and the computer doesnt recognize it. This keeps it fun for all... No battery war (well you do have to make a 10 minute main in NASTRUCK), no motor war ( run whatcha brung), and another new dynamic in addition to the set lap time..... traffic..

Newbies have a quick and steep learning curve. Most, if not all, grasp the concept quickly with a little help. The "top dogs" are the ones helping the new guys/gals lear the ropes. After all, we all had to start somewhere.. They learn how to be consistent/patient/drive around others and not freak out..

The breakout classes has spawned another class for those who wanna run WAO.. 21.5 lipo.. Some of the 21.5 guys run the Breakouts as well...

If you wanna revive your oval, give it a shot... You might like it... Its as laid back as oval racing gets.. Isn't this all about fun???

*runnin and hiding behind the wall..*

yea we all talk smack for 5 minutes when we are on the stand, it's a crack up. I don't run it all the time but when I do, I have a ball

myself, I love running in a breakout class or a spec class once in a while...as far as wrenching and learning - who CARES...some guys want to have fun and don't take racing R/C Cars like its a 7 figure career.

I've found usually if a guy drops down into a lower class it's generally

A) Because he isn't having any FUN at the upper class

B) The upper class is too full of guys who are too full of themselves, and don't leave room for a lower class driver.

C) The competition in the lower class looks more enticing, and enjoyable

or some other similar reason.

WILL IT Save Oval Racing? Heck No! But that doesn't mean individual tracks can't/shouldn't try it and have FUN with it.

I have not raced since 99 or 2000 so for me the for me a break out class will work good to shack some of the dust out of my old 10L and see what I need to move up. I there is no bottom to start at no one could make it to the top, and some guys what to drop down it will be fun chasn them down. plus who cares if it is slow I have seen better racing in mini stocks at a local short track than the "fast" late models

ginsu depending on how you run the breakout class i think it will save alott of tracks but it has to be done right. breakout should be run at all levels of racing even big national races. it levels the field . if guys dont like it then dont run it. run 10.5 or open mod

We've Ran A Breakout Pancar Class For A Couple Years Now. That Combined With Legends Breakout Has Really Kept Some Racers Able To Still Come Race When Money Started Getting Tighter. It Offers Low Cost Racing With The Hope Of The Same Thing All Of Us Go After, A Win !!

Sure You Have Your Veteran Drivers In It But Not As Much Cherry Picking As One Might Think, At Least Not At Our Track. Any Given Weekend There Can Be A Different Winner. You Have To Remember, A Veteran Driver Can Be Taken Out By A Rookie In A Flash. Personally When I Ran It I Found It An Even Bigger Thrill To Win With A Veteran Or 2 Thrown Into The Mix. It Gives You That Much More Of A Confidence Booster, Which Some Of The Younger Racers Need Anyway.

I'm Not Saying Breakout Fits Every Track, But For Ours We Still Have Racers Driving 2 Hours Plus To Come Race Every Week.

You Just Have To Remember Not To Rule It To Death. For Our Track,

Pancar-any Pancar Chassis, Any Nascar,nastruck,bomber Body. No Lipo's. And I'm Not 100% Sure But I Think That's About It.

Legend- No Lipo's. No Modified Chassis', Any Legend Or Bomber Body. That's About It.

Rules Are Made So Anyone That Has A Legend Or Pancar Laying Around Can Buy What He Needs When He Gets To The Track And Race That Day. There's Always Someone With Used Batteries, Tires, Bodies, Etc.

Makes For A Great Main Too , Lol !! I've Turn Marshalled Races Where The Kids Hold The Trigger Wao From The Start To The Finish, Wrecks Or Not. Just Throw Them Back Down And Watch Them Go !!

Marcel

As Army of 1 said, breakout is the top draw for Oval at The Grove. 8-second Nastruck is the starter class. Once you "master" that you can move to 7-second Nascar. We've been steadily growing and it's not unusual to have a full A and B main for regular club racing. We even have a 100 lap supertruck challenge coming up (3rd one I believe) that is a huge draw. 60 lap qual, 100 lap main...all breakout. You go too fast, your lap doesn't get counted.

I started in Nastruck and progressed to Nascar and now open 21.5/LiPo. I still run the breakout on a regular basis on top of 21.5 oval because it helps you learn to keep a line. If you can run 7.05-7.1 every lap, you know you're holding your line well and hitting your marks. If you run a 7.3, you missed your mark. It's that simple.

Translate that driver control over to 21.5/LiPo and it makes you a much better driver.

I spend as much time as I can helping out new racers in the breakout classes. I just setup a Nascar for someone a few weeks back and I enjoy watching him improve every week.

JB that's why it's such a great class. If the top dogs come down and race and win, they will win from clean driving just like everyone else. They have the same chance of being taken out by another driver as anyone else. The difference is they can't use killer electronics and blistering speed to make up for thier misfortune. People who run it love it, people with sponsors and such hate it and talk it down. Not everyone wants to work on their car all week they just want to get together with friends a few times a month and go around in circles and talk a little smack. For some people this is still just for fun. I love to fish and whenever me a a few buddies go there is always a little ribbing and competition but none of us are ready to go buy a 50 thousand dollar rig and jump in with the pro's, after all it's just for fun and of course a big fish fry a couple times a year. I know when you and Butch still thought it was fun, you guys used to tell some great stories about the good old days when there were not a ton of rules (because everyone was not trying to cheat) and there were only a couple of classes (because there didn't have to be a class for every self ordained winner out there). Long story short, break out needs very few rules because you can't cheat the clock.Ditto!! At most tracks that support a breakout class, the top dogs move down to it!! The tracks in turn say "nothing", because it's another entry that is the staple of them keeping the track open. :(

After what TinManSep posted, I should reconsider my answer.

When breakout is used as a stepping stone it should work and attract racers. I was thinking from a established class where a few racers won't move up.

Rj Speed has released the Legends. Toss in a 17.5, xbr and a spec pack and that can be cheap stepping stone into 4-cell 17.5

Does break-out racing work at a lot of tracks because the laptimes are set to a speed that isn't too fast for the track (or the drivers)? I think this is part of the equation that some of the detractors may be overlooking. And don't forget that good race director will help too.

How about a RTR pan car kit someone can just walk up and buy, then turn around, charge a battery and race breakout with.

Put a complete kit out there, sell it aroud the country, with all the electronics, 4 green foams, a 21.5, a cheap DSM transmitter and a spec pack, and a nicely painted body on it ready to go. Hobby shops would make a killing! Daddy I want the Dale JR 88 RC car and I wanna race! OK Sonny pick up that box, go to the cash register and race! THAT will bring the kids into it, not just separate parts and boxes scattered all over the racks and shelves with big $$$ signs on them (well, you need this part and that one, and, oh, this little part to go with that one, but that part is on back order so you'll have to wait a week, and go see that dude he'll put all the parts together for 100 bucks, and go see that guy maybe he'll hook you up with a sponsorship if you're really nice- **** that!!!).

RTR people, RTR!

All of these are great ideas, but I think many of you are missing a very important point. Until there is an inexpensive carpet oval chassis for the beginner/would-be racer this will never get back to the numbers we were all used to seeing. Cars that cost $300.00 to $400.00 have scared alot of guys away, because they feel that without that level of car they will never be able to compete. A complete RTR carpet oval package needs to be brought to the market and if it can be bought for around $300.00 it would make all of the difference in the world. Unfortunately with only small manufacturers in the game with high production costs and Associated seemingly out of the 1/10 oval and the only company commited to RTR kits, plus the ever increasing cost of living and soaring gas prices, I see little hope for carpet oval racing in my opinion.

John :thumbsup:

P.S. I started this 3 hours ago & got busy at work.

How about a RTR pan car kit someone can just walk up and buy, then turn around, charge a battery and race breakout with.


IMHO - the 'idea' of a RTR car is great, but in practicality it seems like it just doesn't work out...and I don't know where the ball gets dropped along the way.

Too many times the RTR car gets dumbed down too far, others....not enough to bring the price to the right market.

We all know OVAL is a tough sell, especially with pan cars. Everything is so specialized, and not 'newbie' friendly. Add to that - tracks are hard to find (So many are hidden) and only known to RACERS.

I know in some areas of the country - 'Parking Lot' racing is hard to do, with weather conditions, parking lot conditions, etc. But those places what can - need to have racing in places where it can be seen by NEW enthusiasts.

CARPET racing is awesome - but is it for the NEW guys? I don't know...carpet can be very intimidating, due to small tight tracks.

It's good to see guys continue to talk about it though - it means a lot of guys are trying to come up with ways to find NEW racers.

IMHO - the 'idea' of a RTR car is great, but in practicality it seems like it just doesn't work out...and I don't know where the ball gets dropped along the way.

Too many times the RTR car gets dumbed down too far, others....not enough to bring the price to the right market.



There was a kit that a hobbyshop somewhere in North Carolina put together that had the right idea, McLin did a review on it. It utilized the Dynamic Strut front suspension with no hop-ups, one center shock and a damper tube, tweak screws, no gazillion different offset holes to confuse the newbie, and it came with pretty much everything you needed to race except for tools and a charger. It was just perfect, not too complicated, but still of a decent quality. But you couldn't get it through a major distributor.

Murdoch developed the BREEZE, great concept, but you still have to buy the rest separate.

There was a kit that a hobbyshop somewhere in North Carolina put together that had the right idea, McLin did a review on it. It utilized the Dynamic Strut front suspension with no hop-ups, one center shock and a damper tube, tweak screws, no gazillion different offset holes to confuse the newbie, and it came with pretty much everything you needed to race except for tools and a charger. It was just perfect, not too complicated, but still of a decent quality. But you couldn't get it through a major distributor.


I know and thought that was going to be a really cool deal. I tried to get my LHS in touch with them (About 2 years ago) but I couldn't remember who had them..and NO information was able to be found on the web for purchase info. That track/lhs is now gone and the one we have now, I don't bother having them stock OVAL stuff...they don't understand it - and it's easier to have the local guys buy online from Jake's Performance Hobbies or Lefthander or Muddslide.

Here is the car from Carolina R/C I am going to keep acouple around the carpet track to sell. http://www.rc-oval.com/?s=RTR+Pan+Car

I'm also about a week or two from putting down Sportsman Oval cars at our track. These will be free to use in an "exhibition" style class. I have (or will have) 4 complete L3 cars that have been donated by fellow racers from across the country complete with all electronics, remotes, batteries, etc... I've put a proven setup on each one, tested them and will basically walk around on race night and put a remote in a spectators hand.

This will be the stepping stone into our breakout Nastruck class. A used L3/L4 with all the fixin's can be put together for about $200. Add a charger and maybe a fresh non-matched pack and go racing for less than the cost that many of us pay for a pro chassis.

Breakout has grown the oval here to be bigger than dirt on some nights.

Here is the car from Carolina R/C I am going to keep acouple around the carpet track to sell. http://www.rc-oval.com/?s=RTR+Pan+Car

This was a excellent car and an opportunity for tracks around the country to have an acceptable offering for the new racer wanting to get started for less than $350. I know that the hobby shop had an offer on these cars that should have had tracks buying at least a couple for their shops, setting on the shelf to sell to interested new racers. Never heard if they went over other than at the Carolina Speedway for a short time. Oh, I did hear things like.."duh..it doesn't have three rear shocks, duh...it would take to much to upgrade it..duh...no graphite chassis"..and so on. These comments came form the hard core, "pro" obsessed and possessed racers. Really sad. :(

Yes, racing was fun, but it seems that to many have forgot that word or put a diffferent meaning to it, than what they got into the hobby for originally. I saw this decline happening for the last 5 years. I saw racers that were fun to be around, become the "track pros" and with the attitudes that prevailed the "fun factor" was replaced with the "gotta win at all costs factor". This attitude will run off many new racers and some old ones alike.. I'll give you a quick example:

In 1983 we found a slot car track in Phoenix, with a Blue King (the name Blue King and slots car will set any old racer that ran on these tracks
salivating in remembering and running on these tracks). Butch dug out some of his controllers, etc., invested in some new motors, etc. He was not a "novice" and it didn't take him long to get back into the hang of it. But.. it was six weeks before anyone would acknowledge he was even there. Not even a "Hi" when we walked into the track, until..he won a race, then all of the sudden they all talked to him, he was accepted. This happens all to often at R/C tracks and if you guys want to keep your "new racers" make them feel like they are a part of the group, in a hobby and not in a profession.

Getting back to the subject..Breakout racing can be fun for the new racer. It is a good starting point and an excellent place to learn. But..even that a new racer likes to find a bone now and then, to know he has a chance to win (after all isn't that part of the point of competition?..just a "chance"?) For these racers and for the racers that don't want to spend every night of the week woring on their toy cars, this is a great class. It loses it's greatness when the tracks top dogs move down to it. These guys can run a good line, lap after lap and set up their car to run at a certain lap speed. The others are "wall bangers" and trying to learn and getting their posterior beat week after week unitl they pack it up one night and never return. No, I am not against breakout racing, it's the way it is ran "sometimes".

While we may not be active racers anymore, we still have an interest in the hobby, it's a hard habit to break after doing it for 38 years!!

let me add this.."a chance to win" or placing in the top three does a alot to boost "confidence" and this is the key word for many new racers..to gain confidence. Look what the wins did for Carl Edwards.. it boosted his confidence..:thumbsup:

I run mid pack at the club races I run at. So when I say........

BRACKETS S_CK I have my heart in the right place.

Drag racing or oval, if somebody wants to run it, go for it, but it sure doesn't seem fun to me. Running a dial in isn't my idea of fun.

I Agree It's Not For Everyone. But Many Racers Who Run 17.5 4 Cell And 21.5 Lipo Today At Our Track, Came From Legends And Pancar Breakout. I'm One Of Those Racers. But When It Starts To Become Boring And You Are Doing Well Every Race, That's When It's Time To Consider Moving On Up In Rank.

Marcel

i can actually see both sides of it. fortunately for me i like a challange. that being said i have only been racing since the end of last year and when i started i was the worst person there as i should have been since i just started but week after week i got better and better and i didn't get better becasue every one else was made to go slower i got better because i learned my car and listened to the veterans mainly the guy who started this thread. now i am definitely not the best driver at our track nor do i have the fastest car but week after week i am in the top three and like JB said every time i end up in the top it is a huge confidence booster. the other thing is now that we have brushless equipment in probably 95% of the cars at the tracks now you dont have to spend 2 hours a day working on your car. all you need to do on a weekly basis is do a quick break down of the car check it over for any thing bent or broken and give it a good cleaning.

I've been reading this thread over and would like to drop my .02 on it.... not that anyone cares but here goes anyway.

Breakout racing has its place at any track if the racers who attend and support that track our up for it, For me personally Breakout racing is not for me, I like to put my car down and see how fast it goes ......... period, but thats me.

I think instead of using a breakout racing format, more emphasis should be focused on having classes for the beginner, after this point usually people find a class thats faster where they are comfortable whether it be 13.5, 10.5, 21.5 etc. I would encourage a new person to graduate from class to class though speed wise, ask questions, learn how to work on their cars along the way etc etc, this in my mind is what discourages people the most....... I've seen it numerous times ....... guys will go out in practice and their car slides out or is bannanas and they WONT ASK FOR HELP?? .....Personally, I learned along time ago, If i needed help to go ask a fast guy.....lol. And when I did 9 out of 10 times they were happy to help, this is the kind of thing the new guy needs to remember, help is there, just ask ......... Guys who walk around the pits telling other guys how to work on their cars are usually seen as jerks when the advice or help was not solicited.......lololol. So at any track make sure the new racers understand help is available just make sure if they have a problem to ask.

For example beginners should NOT use anything other then an available stock oval kit lets say 10l4, why? ....... the cars mentioned above have their place as IMHO rent-a-rides at the local track to get someone hooked on the hobby, but as far as a race car of their own for a beginner if they dont have the same adjustments as what the "more experienced guys" i.e. side shocks, basic front end etc etc, are using then new people wont learn anything because the cars will be so different it will be harder to help them because the basic concept of the chassis will be to different.

intermediate and experienced classes are more up in the air, if your running these classes such as 13.5, 21.5 lipo, 10.5 or open modified, you've obviously decided you like the hobby enough to commit some serious $$$ to it.

You'll pick one of these classes based on budget, skill level and time to work on your stuff ....... whatever makes the most sense for your circumstance ......... just get out and race.

Rich Boehmler

It's not really about slowing everyone down so much as it is just a cap to keep the elite from having a huge advantage. I don't know most tracks set up their break out classes. W e only had one break out class at our out door track and it was based on the stock class lap times. The fast guys could go 5.8's up front and finish in the 6.2's but the average was more like start @ 6.2 up front and 6.5 @ the end of 5 minutes so the break out time was set at 6.5, good and fast just not too fast for the average racer. The new carpet track will have 2 break out classes, novice and a break out class for the more experienced racer who does not want to go all out. Like it or not, the all out is what runs half of the would be regular Joe's off. Some racers (most racers) just want to laugh and have a good time with friends with similar interests. That's why we are not playing professional sports or fishing on the BASS tour. Tons of folks love to tournament fish, to me it turns it into a job. I just like to catch fish @ my leisure and have a good time without any pressure to perform. I don't understand why this is such a hard concept to grasp Then some folks say "well the hot shoes come down and cherry pick". So what! If Bill Dance wants to go fishing with me, all the better. Is he gonna catch more fish? Well the odds are not in my favor but it might go the other way and how much am I gonna learn in the process? Stop worrying about the little trophy or ribbon you are gonna get if you win, there is a little something called personal best that has so much more meaning than the trinket you will get if you win. If you concentrate on the fun and excitement of racing and learn as you go you will have the time of your life. If all you can see is a win, save your money.

It's not really about slowing everyone down so much as it is just a cap to keep the elite from having a huge advantage. I don't know most tracks set up their break out classes. W e only had one break out class at our out door track and it was based on the stock class lap times. The fast guys could go 5.8's up front and finish in the 6.2's but the average was nore like start @ 6.2 up front and 6.5 @ the end of 5 minutes so the break out time was set at 6.5, good and fast just not too fast for the average racer. The new carpet track will have 2 break out classes, novice and a break out class for the more experienced racer who does not want to go all out. Like it or not, the all out is what runs half of the would be regular Joe's off. Some racers (most racers) just want to laugh and have a good time with friends with similar interests. That's why we are not playing professional sports or fishing on the BASS tour. Tons of folks love to tournament fish, to me it turns it into a job. I just like to catch fish @ my leisure and have a good time without any pressure to perform. I don't understand why this is such a hard concept to grasp Then some folks say "well the hot shoes come down and cherry pick". So what! If Bill Dance wants to go fishing with me, all the better. Is he gonna catch more fish? Well the odds are not in my favor but it might go the other way and how much am I gonna learn in the process? Stop worrying about the little trophy or ribbon you are gonna get if you win, there is a little something called personal best that has so much more meaning than the trinket you will get if you win. If you concentrate on the fun and excitement of racing and learn as you go you will have the time of your life. If all you can see is a win, save your money.

what he said:) that i think is what this trhead is all about. guys that want to go fast can in other classes. why run a guy off that just wants to race and have a good time that is not so serious about racing? or guys that are on a budget dont have to get the best of everything to think they have a chance and guess what in some classes you do need good equipment to win. (motor, battery, tires.........same ole story) I have read on here guys want to go fast that is great but there is a place in breakout not only for beginners you dont want to run off but guys that have been around that just want to have fun and race:thumbsup:

Rich you are always preaching the same thing about asking for help and you seem to be one of very few to say the new guy should ask for help from the fast guys and I agree with you 100%. The fast guys are your best source of info anywhere, bar none. Just remember that during a special event, answers may be harder to find as the fast guys are busy searching for some answers of their own tring to get as fast as they can. At a local race you will more than likely get more info from these guys than you can process at one time, don't be afraid to ask the same questions the next week if you have forgotten something. Get a fast guy to drive your car, it's a lot easier to help if you have driven the car to get a feel for what it is doing. Good Post Rich!

And if a fast guy offers to let you turn some laps with HIS car, DO IT!!

2 years ago Steve Salvas let me turn a couple laps with his while practicing. That time I understood what a fast car felt like. And What you find out is a really fast guy doesn't just have the best motors or batteries, he sets up his car to be right at the edge before you can call a car loose. Anyone will turn ONE fast lap with this kind of setup, but few can be consistent lap after lap with it. So you just come to accept that you just need more practice.

tip # 1

if you need to ask questions from a local hot shoe...look at the standings...if he is sitting in the A main around top 5 it's a good time to hit him up for advise...

if he is sitting 27th out of 28 don't ask him,lol. he will be trying to make the show.

There are numerous threads about cost savings, fair competition and getting new people involved. With that being said. Why wouldn't a breakout class work for spec racing?

21.5 Lipo class comes to mind along with 13.5. If there was a breakout drivers would not have to be worried about chasing rotors, motors or speed controls. Whether or not these variables make a difference is moot. If racers percieve them as helpful, you will never change minds.

In light of the cost of traveling to races and a poor economy, now more than ever racers just want to know they have a fair shot at winning. To me breakout just makes sense. :thumbsup:


any class offered at a roar national or at a birds type race should not be considered breakout!

a true breakout class doesn't care what battery or motor you use...hell it could even be a nitor car....if you hit 39 laps and that is the limit than you win....if you hit 40 laps you lose....the scoring loop could care less what motor or fuel got you to 39 laps!

if you spent 80.00 on a pack and 185.00 on a esc and another 80.00 on a 21.5 motor and 50.00 on tires and 25.00 on a body and 375.00 on a car kit plus another 75.00 on a charger ...DO YOU REALY WANT TO RUN BREAK OUT WITH A NOOB WHO IS RUNNING HIS RTR RUSTLER NITRO TRUCK WITH YOU?

because that my friend is a true breakout class....anything goes...no rules...just don't go over 39 laps......

breakout is for jimmy buffet!

What OVAL needs is for all the racers to run and have fun! We just need 2 classes! 17.5BL Lipo and 21.5BL Lipo!!!!! Running against 40 is alot more fun than winning against 4!!!!!!

13.5 BL is DEAD, they all are running 21.5 BL......Open Mod is dead, NObody can drive the silly things! 10.5 and 17.5 Lipo are the same speed!!!!!! nobody runs stock/17.5 because all the sponsored drivers win that class!!!!!!! Plus you can't find any 4 cell batteries!!!!!!!! Lipo is here, 4 cell is dead.......Live with it!!!!!!!!

and this has what to do with breakout? lol

and jimmy you ran the roar oval nats.....13.5 had 3 times as many entries as 21.5 lipo

florida has 15 lipo racers......if you ask me lipo is stagnant at the moment...

but i do agree i would rather win against 25 than 4 any day.

lol, in other words, "Never ask KATF1SH anything at any time" lol. I'm so sorry Bill, I couldn't help myself!!!:devil: We don't do total lap break out, we set a lap time break out. Also you won't be running against a rustler in break out either, novice however is another story.tip # 1

if you need to ask questions from a local hot shoe...look at the standings...if he is sitting in the A main around top 5 it's a good time to hit him up for advise...

if he is sitting 27th out of 28 don't ask him,lol. he will be trying to make the show.

We tryed a set lap race a few weeks ago. It was a lot of fun. We added 10 laps to average best laps run. the first car to reach 55 laps wins, the race is over.

At our track we test different body and motor roll out combos and batteries during the fall to figure out what will be a good class for beginner class and don't let pro racers compete in the points season . As for finding cars for the beginner they sometime they can get a great used car from a pro driver at a good price but we are lucky to have great bunch of pros that travel 2or3 hours to race at our track and support us.We can only hope the gas prices and the cost of living don't force these guys to stop traveling. It will be a tough year for us all. I would like to thank all the pros who make the trip to lakecity rc, you guys are great,thank you

I have been racing rc for almost 25 yrs. now. I do tend to tinker with my cars to try and get them faster. However, when you have raced as long as I have, it does tend to get tedious. We have a breakout class at my local track (Fulton's in Wheeling, WV), and I love to race in it. I have ran everything from touring cars to a Bolink Digger with a 9 turn. The whole race we pick on each other. It is the main reason that I have found this hobby "fun" again. I am building new cars for both my kids and my niece and nephew for next season. The main thing I hope for them is that they have FUN. That and sportsmanship can help to build a hobby that bonds me and mine just a little closer together. I guess what I am getting at is that not all rc racing has to be expensive and super fast to be extremely fun and close. To each his own. Some guys like to get every thousandth out of their car. Good for them, I was and still am that way. Some guys like to run their cars and bs with friends. Good for them too, I am that guy also.
Mike

I have been racing rc for almost 25 yrs. now. I do tend to tinker with my cars to try and get them faster. However, when you have raced as long as I have, it does tend to get tedious. We have a breakout class at my local track (Fulton's in Wheeling, WV), and I love to race in it. I have ran everything from touring cars to a Bolink Digger with a 9 turn. The whole race we pick on each other. It is the main reason that I have found this hobby "fun" again. I am building new cars for both my kids and my niece and nephew for next season. The main thing I hope for them is that they have FUN. That and sportsmanship can help to build a hobby that bonds me and mine just a little closer together. I guess what I am getting at is that not all rc racing has to be expensive and super fast to be extremely fun and close. To each his own. Some guys like to get every thousandth out of their car. Good for them, I was and still am that way. Some guys like to run their cars and bs with friends. Good for them too, I am that guy also.
Mike


I agree and truely believe in breakout! Great example.

What OVAL needs is for all the racers to run and have fun! We just need 2 classes! 17.5BL Lipo and 21.5BL Lipo!!!!! Running against 40 is alot more fun than winning against 4!!!!!!

13.5 BL is DEAD, they all are running 21.5 BL......Open Mod is dead, NObody can drive the silly things! 10.5 and 17.5 Lipo are the same speed!!!!!! nobody runs stock/17.5 because all the sponsored drivers win that class!!!!!!! Plus you can't find any 4 cell batteries!!!!!!!! Lipo is here, 4 cell is dead.......Live with it!!!!!!!!

I agree with that 100%

Persuant to the basic conversation here, I think the local race promoters should run what makes sense and works locally...if that's a breakout class...cool

But!...jflack nailed it. I know McLin and I are from the days of just stock and mod classes (6 cell). It really did work well. The brushless and Lipo changeover has taken a little time, but the 17.5 Lipo and 21.5 Lipo classes have brought us full circle and everybody should try it. Here in Northern Arizona, we have little team racer and manufacturer influence and those are the two classes we have developed for Pan Car oval, and it's great!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gary McAllister

I agree totally, I miss the days of novice, stock and mod!

Gary is right about racing what works at your local track. You have to keep your local guys coming back and racing B U T just because you want to race a breakout class, or three legged mules; don't expect to find those classes at a National event.

I said this once before: with the LiPo and brushless deal, we have a chance to start all over again in oval and clean up our mess, let's not screw it up again with a kazillion "new" classes.

As for the breakout class, as much as I would not want to do that anymore, it was breakout racing that got me back into this stuff again so yes it does have it's purpose.

Will it save Oval...NO... I don't think oval needs "saving" but we do need more racers. NOW hers's a suggestion: if everybody that reads this would just take ONE new person to a LiPo/brushless breakout or Spec race and let them see how cheap they can get started now-days, just think of how many would get hooked!

how do we get more "new" racers with lipo and brushless?

21.5 and 17.5 speeds are way too fast for a "new" racer.

uh, break out classes?how do we get more "new" racers with lipo and brushless?

21.5 and 17.5 speeds are way too fast for a "new" racer.