Guys I need your feedback and I need it NOW.

As you have been reading the SugarBowl is just not ready to host a race. We were let down by those that were supposed to have been getting the place ready. Spdway rcr 03, has stepped up to try and get the place ready but let's face it, there is a TON of work to get done in just a few days.

So, here are the options on the table.

Option 1) CANCEL this race altogether. With the possibility of a reschedule to be named later if at all.

Option 2) MOVE the event to Easley. I have been told that Donnie is willing to have the event at Carolina R/C Complex.

I need your answers yesterday. I know this is short notice, but GASCAR is an organization driven by its RACERS, you.

This poll will close tomorrow, Donnie needs an answer Tuesday.

So all is out in the open, should this event be moved to Easley, the other SugarBowl date will be moved to LPR, as long as they have an open date.

Should the SugarBowl be ready to host events next race season, we will try again for 2009.

Thank you all for understanding.

My vote is to move it to Easley, but I may not be able to make it.

Marlin

guys i tried to make this happen for you and it breaks my heart that it will not happen --iam so sorry that you were led to believe that it would be ready for you-- i have learned not to count on too many people -- i will try to make it to easley on sat if you guys run there --IAM TRULY SORRY FOR THIS JOHN@SPEEDWAYMOTORSPORTS :cool:

It is not you fault John. Sometimes things can't be helped.

John -- You stepped up when others stepped out. You get an A+ from TEAM COYOTE as far as I am concerned.

REMEMBER GUYS VOTE!! We need to make a decision.

Guys,
I just learned of this problem with the Bowl this evening. I was at work all day, and was notified about 8:30pm about the problem. I was led to believe that the SugarBowl would be ready for racing. I even spoke with those involved just over two weeks ago to make sure everything was going to be ready. But, it is not, and John Norman offered to do his best to make it happen, even though it was NOT John's fault. He was not involved in the planning, or setup of the race. John just stepped in to try to help and he should be commended for his efforts. I made the decision to make some phone calls, and was not able to get in touch with those involved in planning the SugarBowls race this weekend. My phone calls went unanswered.

I will do whatever the majority of GASCAR members want to do about this weekends race; either cancel it altogether, and pick up a date in July, or move it this weekend to Easley. We need to let Donnie (at Carolina R/C Complex) know by tomorrow night, so vote, and let your voice be heard. The final decision will be posted here tomorrow night, as well as on the GASCAR website. I do apologize for this, and am sorry for any inconvenience it may cause any of you. We had some first time GASCAR racers coming to race this weekend, and they deserve a good show, and not one put together at the last minute.

Please try to understand that it was not GASCAR's fault, nor John Norman's, or even Shelley's or Jan's fault. This was mis-managed from the get-go by someone who was not forthright, and honest about their intentions, and led me to believe that work was being done, when actually it was not.

Moving a race at the last minute is never a good idea, nor cancelling it. I just hope that you as racers and GASCAR members will understand that some things are not in our control. We want to bring you the best race weekend possible, and moving the race, or cancelling it to make a better show at a later date, might help us do that. Please vote on the above poll, and let us know what you want to do.

Thanks for your understading and let us hear from you, NOW. Decisions will be posted tomorrow night.

Respectfully,
Tim Smith, President
GASCAR

I voted to cancel it because reschedule it was not an option. Myself and the two racers who were going to travel with me will not be able to make Easley this weekend. To race in Easley for us means at least one night in a hotel, two to make it a really comfortable trip. As much as we need the practice for the Nat's we just can't swing it this trip. If you guys move it to Easley I hope you have a great race!

My vote is to move the race to Easley, it is ready to go and you know you will get a nice managed race from Donnie and the folks. I hate that some guys will not be able to make the race but this works best with my work schedule. Big Papa out.

There was another option, can't believe nobody knew of it. Since my car looks so fast sitting here at the house, i just figured that you guys would just name me the winner. I would like to think my sponsors, Kevins wife, Me Racing, for putting me behind the wheel, somebody in georgia for not getting the track ready, hope i did'nt forget anyone. Shuh i am tired after all that.
Later= THE ONE,THE ONLY,THE BEST,YADA,YADA,YADA,
Sincerely=THE PHENOM:woohoo::wave:

What dream world are you in? You still have to get a kitchen pass to go to the bathroom. I'm the one who gets paid to bring you with me. That way bubba can visit while you are gone.:wave:

Good ole Bubba , I wouldn't never get to race without him. I need to make sure i leave some cold ones in the frig for him this weekend. He makes my life so easy these days. LETS ME GET OUT MORE!:p
Later=THE ONE,THE ONLY,THE BEST,YADA,YADA,YADA,THE PHENOM

He is definitely dreaming. That is the only way he could ever win a race. lol Looks like the pheeeeeeeeeeeeenumb needs to come off the bench and play ball. But that just might cramp his style. Kevin, you get paid to bring him with you? OHHHHHHHHH MYYYYYYYYYY! Bubba must be very happy.:thumbsup:

See ya,

Roger

Yep he pays gooood! Speaking of witch, I need to get a hold of him this week. I will call her tomorrow to make an appointment for him. WHOOOOOH

What, you gonna get all four hairs cut again.,Old # 3 Old boy, just name the track, I got a multi weekend pass, Thanks to Bubba,-Poor. poor , Bubba.
Later= The ONE,THE ONLY,THE BEST,YADA,YADA,YADA,THE PHENOM:wave:

No cut there, the other .......... Can't say it here.:dude:

I would like to set the record straight about the race this weekend that was scheduled at the SugarBowl. First, the race has been moved to Carolina R/C Complex, in Easley SC. The race is Saturday, with practice on Friday. We will lose a few racers from Georgia and Alabama, due to the extended travel time, but this is the best decision for the majority of GASCAR racers. See you at Easley Friday... have a safe trip.

Now, Let me set the record straight about what happened at the SugarBowl. The agreement to run the race at the SugarBowl was an agreement between myself and Robert Hellard. If anything changed about the race preparations, Robert and I would have talked. We actually spoke three weeks ago about the race, and Robert assured me that everything was going to be in place by Friday. Nothing changed with Robert.... he was in the process of getting things ready for the weekend. The problem was NOT with Robert Hellard, the problem was communication, or lack of communication, among racers. The race was being setup by Myself and Robert, and he and I were the last two people to find out about any perceived problems.

When racers post on a Forum, and do not have accurate information, things get screwed up. When I first learned about things not being prepared at the SugarBowl last night, the first thing I did was telephone Robert. He did not return my call last night, because he could not, but he did call me this morning and was upset about getting phone calls about how he "let us all down". In fact, Robert had a road grader in process to grade the entrance road but canceled it due to being told that the race had been cancelled. I did not make the decision to cancel or move the race until this afternoon. Robert also had scheduled the Port-O-potties to be delivered Thursday, when the grass was being cut. He had the computer set to arrive Wednesday, along with an experienced race director to run the race and computer. He was to be there Wednesday to set things up. The lights do in fact work, and Shelley was aware we were racing , but was not aware it was this weekend. That didnt matter, since Robert was running the race. Everything was being set up this week, and would have been ready for us on Friday for practice.

What happened, was when I received info about possible problems, and was unable to get in touch with Robert, I had to come up with an alternate plan. We posted a poll on this forum last night to let racers vote on either moving the race or canceling it. The vote was 7 to move, 1 to cancel. The majority rules. The race was moved, only after I talked with Robert and he told me that he had in fact cancelled his road grater and could not get the road repaired in time. This was not Roberts fault in any way whatsoever. He did what he said he would do. The problem was information being posted on this forum without first contacting me about any change in race procedures.

The GASCAR Website is the Official Voice of GASCAR. If there are any questions about GASCAR's functions, I should be contacted first. That way, the facts can be posted and correct decisions made and POSTED on the GASCAR website as official news. This is posted on the front page of the GASCAR website. It has been posted since the inception of the website three years ago. There was no reason for me to doubt Roberts word about the track being ready. But i had to make a decision last night to have an alternate plan.

After talking with Robert today, we agreed to move the race to Easley. Robert spent money to have the toilets delivered, the road graded, and the computer operator ready for the race this weekend that he will not recuperate. Racers, including myself, jumped the gun and made some comments about Robert not doing what he said he would do. I personally apologize to Robert, and so should all who made comments before getting his side of the story. As far as the harassing phone calls he received, the caller(s) need to apologize to Robert personally. This is the kind of thing that happens when proper protocol is not followed to get news out. This kind of mis-communication hurts R/C racing and people who try to do the right thing. Robert, I do apologize on behalf of GASCAR for doubting your intentions and efforts. And, I do hope to see you at future R/C and GASCAR races. GASCAR starts and ends with me, and any problem with future racers should be directed to me, first. My telephone number, e-mail address and home address are posted on the "Contact" page of the website. My answering machine is on 24/7. If you call me and i am not home, leave a message, and I will return your call, even if its midnight.

We will meet on this at the drivers meeting Saturday, but I did want to set the record straight. It was not Roberts fault, nor mine, but miscommunication that caused this problem, so the race was moved to Easley. Robert and I have talked about this extensively. GASCAR nor I hold Robert responsible for this unfortunate mishap. Lets put this behind us, and have a great weekend racing at Easley. And lets give Robert a hand for trying to put this race together.... its not an easy job.

Respectfully,
Tim Smith, President
GASCAR

I would like to apologize to anyone whose feathers I ruffled in this matter. If I contributed to the confusion for this I also apologize.

All questions about the races will be fielded by Tim and Tim alone. His contact info is on the GASCAR website or you can post it here and he will answer you.

My intention was to provide help in getting racers answers, but sometimes too many cooks spoil the meal. From here on out I will just eat. :D

LET'S GO RACING!!!

Tim you are a stand up man! Scott you are also a stand up man and thanks for the apologies. I will pass it a long to Robert. It was not you that started anything. I hate that I'm not racing any more since we have moved to Karts but good luck with GASCAR. Robert's a man of his word. He keeps a full plate most of the time, but if he says he will do it, then it will be done. Good luck at Easley.

Well Bubba has an appointment with the Phenom's wife tomorrow. He should be OK for the pass this weekend. See everyone there and have a safe trip.

I just hope Bubba runs longer than Phenom oe he ain't coming!

Glad to hear things are moved at least, hate to see things cancel.....

Good Job Bubba, She so happy when she came home. Got some bad news though Bud--You get too keep her. HE HE HE HE HE . :p:thumbsup:
Remember, can't send her back. Later-The Phenom

Well I'm not sorry for reporting the condition of the track and as far as anyone knew, the idea of R/C racing had been abandoned in favor of racing go carts by the guy who was supposed to be preparing the track for the GASCAR race. There was a serious lack of communication between race promoter and track care taker so if y'all want to get pissed off at somebody you can point your fingers at me. I went and looked at the track on the 18th of May on my way back from Gainesville and it looked like a train wreck. The grass was 3 feet tall, the track surface was nothing short of nasty, there were no bathroom facilities and the driveway looked like a Jeep trail obstacle. The list of undesireable stuff is much longer but I think everyone get's the idea. And I don't care who said what, there was not enough time to correct the problems I identified with the track between looking at it and racing on it the following week. I am sorry that I am the only one who had the balls to point out the obvious and save a lot of guys who were gonna spend big bucks the disappointment of racing on a track that was grossly unprepared!!I would like to apologize to anyone whose feathers I ruffled in this matter. If I contributed to the confusion for this I also apologize.

All questions about the races will be fielded by Tim and Tim alone. His contact info is on the GASCAR website or you can post it here and he will answer you.

My intention was to provide help in getting racers answers, but sometimes too many cooks spoil the meal. From here on out I will just eat. :D

LET'S GO RACING!!!

Dagum Cliff, have a bad day or something? Later-The Phenom

Just wanted to wish everyone that can attend the race at Easely this weekend a safe trip. Lets go racing boys! Later=THE PHENOM

Yea I did. I was planning on jumping in my truck early Saturday morning and driving 2 hours with a couple of buddies to enjoy a day of racing with all of my other nitro racing buds. Instead, thanks to this past weeks events the race has been moved an extra hour and a half from me and now I can't go. I don't run for the points as I can't make all the races but missing this one pisses me off. Then on top of all that "Team Coyote" apologizes to the guy who did not have the track ready to go for jumping the gun on moving the race. Unbelievable!! I may not have had a pit road @ my old outdoor track but you can bet your arse if I had a race scheduled the track would be groomed and there would be a place to take a leak and you would not need a 4 wheel drive to get to the track.

Cliff i do not run for the points either, and i can understand why you are pissed about the whole situation. I , myself am not happy with how everything took place, but i will not hold it against Team Coyote, Nor will i hold it against any one individual. As for going to Easely, as they say
What the#@!!, might as well go race there, it's a nice track it is still a 3.5 hour trip, Plus thinks to Kevin i got a multi weekend kitchen Pass. haha. So get over being mad, get your A$$ in the truck and lets go racing. lol

Later=The Phenom

can't afford the trip by myself and lost my riders. I guess I will see y'all @ the Nats. I hope to have 4 riders for that trip.

Good Job Bubba, She so happy when she came home. Got some bad news though Bud--You get too keep her. HE HE HE HE HE . :p:thumbsup:
Remember, can't send her back. Later-The Phenom
You know what they say, once you go Bubba, you don't want no otha.
:woohoo:

Wow Cliff I really do not know what to say.
As far as the apology from me, it was to all of YOU RACERS for any confusion I may have caused.

IMHO, if you have a problem with the way Tim handled it, e-mail him or call him.

THAT in a NUTSHELL is how all of this went south. ALL the INFO was not given DIRECTLY to TIM.

As far as the track, don't have to point fingers. It is info that was shared, and it did not look good. Was hoping to practice before then, but from some good sources it looked impossible. Actually stopped by after Mont. race and hoped to get some time in but was all locked up. Oh well. Lets just go have some fun. Cya on the next one Cliff.

Scott there was no confusion, the track was crap the day I looked at it and called you to tell you it was crap. I guess I just assumed that you would pass that info on to Tim as soon as you heard it. I know John stepped up to offer a fix but there was no way he could have corrected all the problems in the time left before the race. If y'all believe that the other guy was gonna have the track ready, I have some swampland in south GA I would love to sell you. :wave:

BTW how is telling the truth causing confusion? I don't see where you did anything wrong.Wow Cliff I really do not know what to say.
As far as the apology from me, it was to all of YOU RACERS for any confusion I may have caused.

IMHO, if you have a problem with the way Tim handled it, e-mail him or call him.

THAT in a NUTSHELL is how all of this went south. ALL the INFO was not given DIRECTLY to TIM.

AAAAAAAAAAAAnd Tim Smith spoke to Robert Hellard on the 27th at which time the work had still not been accomplished. There is no way in HE77 that the Sugar Bowl would have been ready to race on in 4 days, NO WAY. Just because someone tells you poop tastes good doesn't make it true.

Cliff -- I do not know the guy so I cannot really comment on wether or not he would have come through. It is moot now.

Should work have been going on, I think so, but I do not set up the events. Me, I would have done it differently had I been the one "running the track".

Now put away your crying towel and come up to Easley so I can kick your butt on the track and show you what fast really is.

Fast? Don't let the Phenom in your trailer then.:thumbsup:

I wish I could make it. I was really looking forward to racing this weekend. I have not run since the middle of March. It's been a while, maybe my absence will save the rest of you some broken stuff, lol.:rolleyes:Cliff -- I do not know the guy so I cannot really comment on wether or not he would have come through. It is moot now.

Should work have been going on, I think so, but I do not set up the events. Me, I would have done it differently had I been the one "running the track".

Now put away your crying towel and come up to Easley so I can kick your butt on the track and show you what fast really is.

Come on up, we have room, you can stay with us. I have 2 air mattresses in the truck.

Cliff - If you decide to come up this offer is good.

Thanks anyway, I will see you at the nats.

Cliff your right. Theres no way Robert could have got the Bowl ready for Friday him self. Thats why he had a large group of imigrant workers that work for him plus his install group scheduled to come up and get the track ready. I had 2 co workers plus my self coming up Wed night to fix any issues we seen with the power. The jiffy john was also set to be delivered Wed or Thurs also. The way I seen it when I talked to Robert Sunday night, I really thought we could have the drive way fixed, track pressure washed, power fixed, grass cut (had 2 zero turns) , jiffy johns in place, a temp burger stand setup, and still have time to paint the walls with the paint that Robert purchased. Yes it should have been done earlier, but with Roberts schedule and me moving about hr northeast of Buford and trying to get settled in time slipped on us. I have no doubt it would have been done. I to wish the race would have continued. I was looking forward to coming down to watch some great racing. Yes Robert has put me in a Kart, but we have not raced yet nor have we spent any time getting ready to race. The plan is to start getting ready this up coming week. Robert had been saying all along that he still wanted to see GASCAR come to the Bowl even after we went to Kart racing. I know this doesn't make things better for you but I needed to say it. We had also talked about getting back in R/C racing on a scaled down level only running once a month or so with the car we still have left, but we have decided it would be better to stay a way. I know we would be welcomed by Tim any time. Theres enough racers in GA that we would be just getting in the way.

Well it is what it is Derick and I am not sure what you meant by your last sentance but I got a feeling it wasn't meant to be productive which only adds credit to what I have already posted. Nobody said anything about having room for guys to race. WHAT I SAID IS THE DAMN TRACK WAS NOT READY!!! FURTHERMORE I AM SURE IT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN READY. SO STOP ACTING LIKE A 5 YEAR OLD WITH YOUR LITTLE "GETTING IN THE WAY " COMMENTS AND GO DO SOMETHING ELSE, THERE IS ENOUGH NEGATIVITY IN THIS HOBBY AS IT IS, WE SURE DON'T NEED ANY MORE. Good Day!

Yes like I said the track was NOT ready when you stopped by, nor was it ready when John stopped by. John called me and asked me about what was going on. I told him that Bobby was taking care of it and he asked me to look for some help. I do agree that it was a major project for any one to tackle, for sure the week of the race. I also agree that the project should have been started sooner. I'm not throwing blocks for Bobby, but I think he had a little to much on his plate at this time with work. I still know that it would have been ready for Sat if things would have worked out different back at the first of the week. Sure it would not have been in NATS condition, but it would have been ready to race. I was not being negative toward the hobby. What I was saying was I still have my 21.5 car. Just need a lipo and motor and I would be ready to race. We decided to keep it just in case I got a itch to race R/C. I'm not sure if you have completed your new track or not, but I did mention to Bobby that I would like to check it out this winter. I still would but thats only if we are welcome. I know you have not said either way, but I know you are upset and would not want to cause conflict. Its not worth the fuss and cuss, this is just a hobby that you and I have loved along time now. Good Luck with your new track, GA still needs a oval and the Bowl is not it. Its seen its better days. I apoligize for being neg but every thing hit me like a rock when I started getting calls about it being canceled when I was planning taking a couple of days off from work.

Hank -- PLEASE LOCK THIS ONE.

Derick all racers are welcome everywhere unless they are just socially unacceptable so I wouldn't worry about that. It's over so maybe on the next try if there is a next try things will come together a little earlier and the communication will be better. I thought there were guys racing up there on the oval already and was taken back when I saw the track conditions. CYA @ the Nat's....

LOL, Scott you are gonna fit in great on the ROAR oval committee, things get sticky and you are ready to stick your head in the sand. I mean really, why should a racer be able to voice his opinion, thoughts, ect in open forum. As far as ROAR is concerned racers don't have a voice, the nerve of these racers, GEEEEEEZ!Hank -- PLEASE LOCK THIS ONE.

No harm here Cliff. I consider you a racing friend since meeting you at the Nats and thank you for putting me on KSG NP cars last year at the nats. I guess some times things can be taken wrong when they are posted on the net and not talked out in person or on the phone. The evil of the NET!! LOL:thumbsup::thumbsup:

Cliff -- Man things don't go your way and you are ready to go off half cocked.

Whatever.

As far as making the remarks/cuts towards me whatever makes you feel warm and fuzzy.

YOU are the one taking THIS THREAD in the mud and it is SERVING NO PURPOSE.

The Surgarbowl Race should have been better organized and more communication should have been made. DROP IT, beating up on anyone about it is not going to do any good.

I have learned to pick my battles, it is a hard lesson to learn.

Point out an instance either on this forum or in person wher I have not voiced my opinion. Is there anyone that knows me in person, or just on-line that can say that I will not stand up for what I feel is right?

I do not think so.

You really need to go racing and quit griping on the forums, it will make ya feel alot better.

We MOVED THE RACE, YOU said there was no wasy for the track to be ready and then YOU STILL DO NOT SHOW UP. I guess there is no pleasing some people.

Cliff-- shut off your computer and go racing man, you NEED it.

Hey guys this is robert hellard, I just wanted to post here to say
the track was going to be ready to the best that could happen with
the overall condition of the bowl. The motorgrader guy told me he could do
the drive way in 4 to 6 hours. the port-a-john was on its way, A friend
of mine had three land scape crews he was going to let me use 1 or 2 days what ever it took. I had 2 trailer based pressure washing systems
that were going to pressure wash the track and i had a guy to run the races that was going to bring a race program to be able to use personal transponders. Anyone who has ever had any dealings with me knows that i am not going to back out of my word. I am not going to go back and forth on a forum,nothing is being accomplished by that. I will say that if i had not wanted to honor my word and have the race i would have simply backed out when tim called me 2 or 3 weeks ago. I do apologize for any inconvience this has caused anyone. Specifically to cliff I did not just walk away from rc
racing It is a sport I love but their is no were in north georgia to fulfill
that appetite. With that said guys i am going rc racing when possible
kartracing when possible and will have a blast at both I suggest everyone else
do the same.



Lets build this sport Bobby Hellard

Robert and GaRACER, I am not mad at either of you, hope to get to race with or against you guys someday. I do not know what is going to happen as far as the second race that was scheduled at the bowl, but i for one am all for still having it there. In the mean time have lots of fun kart racing, but don't forget about RC racing. Later-Benjie Wright

Scott I couldn't afford the venue change that's why I voted the way I did, sue me! I have 3 KSG Nitro cars for sale!! http://www.hobbytalk.com/bbs1/showthread.php?p=2406687#post2406687