Ok guys here it is.

Post your questions/concerns and opinions.

KEEP IT CIVIL!!

NO BASHING!!

I can tell you that insults and bashing will get us nowhere. ROAR does want the racers input so here is your chance.

I wish I could give you guys answers to these questions about the Nats but it is not my deal. I am busy on the committee with trying to come up with classes/rules for the upcoming years. If I had the answers I would post 'em up.

As I have posted on the Roll Call Thread, I have questions too.

As I have not been as available on the message forums as I once was, I would ask if any of you have questions that aren't being answered here, please, email me. I'm very quick at responding to my emails and I will always involve the appropriate staff members when necessary.

thanks!
Dawn

As I have not been as available on the message forums as I once was, I would ask if any of you have questions that aren't being answered here, please, email me. I'm very quick at responding to my emails and I will always involve the appropriate staff members when necessary.

thanks!
Dawn

I can back Dawn up on this, she WILL get back to you.

So the fee for paved nats. is $80 for the entry fee correct? Are we still going to have to purchase handout tires or is it supply your own tires?

handout tires!

It is $80 for every class. Handout tires to be purchased at the race for all classes except Nitro.

That is what I got from Donnie.

How much are tires?

Personally, I think $80 is a bit steep for entry fees. Especially with the price of gasoline and travel increasing the way it is. But, I also understand that everything has increased in price. We do this for fun, but it's the Nationals!! We need to support it and I will be there, with members of my team. I race the Nitro class, so electric is out of my realm of knowledge, now. I can say that handout tires for the Nitro class would result in disaster, so I am glad we are not using them. We had such a great time last year at Carolina R/C Complex, and am thrilled that the ROAR Nats are coming there again. Let's give Donnie all the support he needs, as he and his crew did a superb job last year. Team Coyote and myself will be there again this year, and hope the 2008 ROAR Oval Nats are bigger and better than last year.

Good Racing,
Tim Smith, Team Coyote
President, GASCAR

I am concerned about ROAR opening brushless rules up to any approved motor. I don't want to see a "motor of the week" type of thing at $90 a pop.

This wouldn't be a big deal if it wasn't for the fact that racers and tracks seem to follow ROAR guidelines more than the BRL. ROAR has just recently acknowledged brushless while the BRL has been successfully running their series for 2 or 3 years now.

I'm not looking for an answer to anything. Just stating a concern as the topic says.
The motor deal with be interesting.

I am planning on running 17.5 at the nats. Can someone that is in DIRECT contact or running the race tell me how much the tires are going to cost(estimate) and if they are going to be bought at the race track during the race weekend or if we are to bring them with us. Also what coumpounds are going to be run if that has been decided.

Please do not tell me you heard from so and so that so and so said that he heard something. Not being rude just want to have the facts. Thanks

Randy Jewett

Randy last year they were 4 pinks..3 L's and a R right rear. I would assume they will be the same..you will purchase the tires at the track because they will be marked!

I am concerned about ROAR opening brushless rules up to any approved motor. I don't want to see a "motor of the week" type of thing at $90 a pop.

This wouldn't be a big deal if it wasn't for the fact that racers and tracks seem to follow ROAR guidelines more than the BRL. ROAR has just recently acknowledged brushless while the BRL has been successfully running their series for 2 or 3 years now.

I'm not looking for an answer to anything. Just stating a concern as the topic says.
The motor deal with be interesting.
The motors are Novak only except for open mod as far as I know for this race, unless that changed recently.

OK,..... I will tell you that the tires will be sold at the track on Wednesday Aug 6th. These tires will be marked and the only ones that we will race. The classess that will have these will be all classes but the Nitros classes.

Tire compounds
RF-L pink net
RR-R pink net
LR-L pink
LF-L pink

21.5 lipo will be BSR spec with right side nets

PLEASE!!!! As I get the info on prices will get them posted. Last year the cost of tires was $15 ea. I will everything I can to reduce the cost as much as I can.

To be continued.
Donnie

Why are the nitro classes cheaper? And why do they not use the handout tires?

The Nitro Classes are not ROAR classes, per sey. They are provisional classes and the rules they are going by, GASCAR for the .12's and RC-Oval for the .09's, have no rules as far as hand out tires. As far as entry fee, the Nitros are paying $80 just like everyone else.

Donnie -- We are behind ya brother. I think we were all just shocked at the entry fee. I do not think anyone here will begrudge you for trying to make a profit or heck just to break even. If it were not for people like yourself holding these events and great tracks, we would have no place to race and nothing to complain about.

Just do us all a favor and make sure that the RMT knows what kind of show you put on last year and that they have some mighty big shoes to fill.

Provisional classes should be cheaper! and there should be a break if you run multiple classes!

Donnie, thanks for the info. Great Job last year. See ya in a couple weeks for the regionals.

I hope I didn't get you guys mad by asking that question about the nitro cars... Just wondering.

I agree that you should get a break for Multiple classes. Especially if one of those classes are "provisional"

J-Dub, No problem with the question. It needed some clarification. I think that the racer entering two or more classes should also get a break in the entry. At a lot of races the total entered are higher than racer count because of multiple entries. Running two or more class adds more cost and work to the racer other than entry for the second class and is helping to fill the promoter’s race count.

If it were only the racer count and not just total entries. This past carpet nats would look very low with only having about 65 racers instead of the 88 entries.

About the RMT.... I support it for the Fact that Donnie will get a chance to race at his own track. Donnie is one great track owner and unlike ROAR supports the customer..... Sometimes I think ROAR thinks, that all racers want to do is wine, but like any good business a happy customer is all the advertisements you need. There will always be wining over the class rules of racing ( every racer has their own agenda on rules), but running a good event is like offering a product or service for sale. A good product or service will always get a good response from the customer!!!! ROAR take note.... See how many attitudes have changed about the entry when it was for a good cause that furthers the racer’s enjoyment of their hobby. I only hope the RMT is as good as the race crew that runs the races there and Donnie does get a lot of race time. This board could get a lot action after the event. I hope it is all +++++++++.

I know that there are others that have the same opinion about this. But not all are willing to post due to sponsorship, or other reasons.

See ya at the race, if after this ROAR will renew my menbership.

This is just my opinion I could be wrong.

Thanks Donnie for the information. I plan on getting there once or twice before the Nats for practice. Also just needed a round about price to start setting up the race budget off from. Heard lots of good things about the track. Thanks again

Randy Jewett

...I don't disagree, but WHY should additional entries receive a discount?

What are the primary reasons people think that if they enter MORE classes - the other classes should be less money?

Myself, I've always offered a discount on additional classes, and have thought about taking it a step further.

ONE PRICE ENTRY - enter ALL the classes you want. But some feel this screws the guy who only wants to run ONE class....cause then HE doesn't get a discount.

What will be the Schedule as far as practice and qualifying is concerned Looking to make the trip just put in for the time off?:thumbsup:

How Much Are The Handout Tires Gonna Be?

How Much Are The Handout Tires Gonna Be?
1,000,000.00...........:wave:

too funny kropy..give me a call...

I agree, the entry fee is at least 20 dollars too high and yes there should be a multi class discount. I ran both nitro classes last year and will run them again this year but I was also planning on running 17.5 lipo but I just can't afford that third class, not with 160.00 for two provisionals and the tires that .12 will eat.Provisional classes should be cheaper! and there should be a break if you run multiple classes!

There will be no way of knowing but it would be interesting to know how many other multi entries that will be lost for the same reasons (I know I am also one.) And then be able to see which way made the most money. Lower entries with multi class discounts vs. Higher fees with no discounts.

I do know that the higher entrie fees were the hot topic this weekend (among other things) and it was not in a positive way.

But all that aside. Thanks to Donnie and all of his crew for another great race. See ya in July.

I say Lower Entry or have Multi Discount........ GAS IS WAY TO HIGH, that should not be driving prices of entries up though.............

I have some questions!!!! What part will the ROAR RMT have in officating the Nitro classes at the Oval Nationals??? Scoring and race control will be provided by the track. These are exhibition classes only. I can understand the need for ROAR membership for insurance purpose, but all the officiating will be done by Gascar and RC-Oval series personnel Does ROAR plan to pay these people for their services? I think that they would do it for free, but the entry fee reflects the cost of the RMT. I understand that Roar is suppling the trophies. Where does the class sponsorship money go? In the past it was used to buy the trophies.

This weekend at the region 3 event I talked to many racers that have planed to drop classes for the Nats due to increased cost (not just race entry fees). I can only see this keeping the class counts down. After this weekend I still think that the race will be well attended because of the outstanding job of the track owner, his staff and the great facility. It would be nice to see over 200 class entries for a paved national. I believe it would take at least 60 racers running 2 classes to have it happen.

Just my opinion I could be wrong.

All the above post were great ..... I wan tot know why my ROAR card only is good for 11 months Maybe Dawn can fill me in on why its only 11 months instead of the yearly memebership I paid for ..... Hope to see all you guys for a tuneup weekend as weel as NAts SRM

Miller,

Just our of curiosity, when did your last membership card expire? (Just wondering if the renewal date now goes back to the expiration date and not a NEW date)

I know at one time, I heard rumors ROAR was going to do membership based on Dec. 31st expiration date for ALL members, meaning if you waited to renew in June, you only had a 6 month membership....in an effort to get guys to renew at the beginning of the calendar year.

lol, yea ROAR just keeps doing stuff to entice new members:rolleyes:

3200 Lipo class.....What battery is legal????

3200 Lipo class.....What battery is legal????

Heres a link to ROARs Approved Lipo Batt list :
http://www.roarracing.com/approvals/lipobattery.php

It a appears that the following 3200 Lipo batteries are legal???

Orion Carbon Edition 3200
Reedy Lipo 3200 Pro
Trackpower 3200

Heres a link to ROARs Approved Lipo Batt list :
http://www.roarracing.com/approvals/lipobattery.php

It a appears that the following 3200 Lipo batteries are legal???

Orion Carbon Edition 3200
Reedy Lipo 3200 Pro
Trackpower 3200


Thanks, but I would like ROAR to answer the question>>>>>>>>>>>

looks like a long list, like I said on the other thread, anything goes. lol

Thanks, but I would like ROAR to answer the question>>>>>>>>>>>

So would I, Notice the ??? in my post.

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Concours question, according to ROAR rule book "Concours may be divided into two divisions; Best Appearing and Most Authentic". Will this be the case @ Easley or will there be one class, and if so which one? Thx
Tom

Last year they did best appearing..and it had to be raced..no trailor queens!lol

1)what is illegal for inductance readings for each class or is it anything with the correct label goes?
2)I want to run two classes but two sets of tires, too much entry fees, and too high gas prices and hotel costs for the week are probably gonna nip that at the bud! Does a second class cost the track much more than the price of another trophy? Not trying to be smart. Just can't afford that much. Everybodies feelin the pinch! However, we wanna run this race b/c it's such a well run event and nice facility! I guess our sponsors just don't pay enough!;)

1)what is illegal for inductance readings for each class or is it anything with the correct label goes?


I would like an answer on this but I don't care what the answer is just want to know so we don't have the makings of a disaster! Early answers gives people time to lick there wounds and get over it and still come race so lets have an answer before it gets to close to race time!

As posted on the Roar web site:

Novak 13.5 BL, Min reading is 21.0 micohenries
Novak 17.5 BL Min reading is 36.5 micohenries


Novak needs to send Roar 5--21.5 BL motors for approval and inductance reading.

This is How Roar did there inductance checks. They measure from the solder tabs to the front end of the motors shorting ring.

I got some good news yesterday while talking to Donnie...seems i was going to have to share my "house" with a RMT official scorer....Not anymore( i dont share my toys well...lol) so i will have the steering wheel and the gas pedal to the bus!!!!!!! See ya in a month...actually in a couple of weeks for a dusting off to make sure my memory hasnt lost anything...The regional race was fun for me...hot... but fun

Jim Duffle

Looking forward to seeing you back in action Jim.

As posted on the Roar web site:

Novak 13.5 BL, Min reading is 21.0 micohenries
Novak 17.5 BL Min reading is 36.5 micohenries


Novak needs to send Roar 5--21.5 BL motors for approval and inductance reading.

I have a few questions. Not to bash but it seems ROAR is a bit "slow" to respond so I'm hoping to get some questions answered quickly as the Nats are a month away.

Is there a +/- variance to the above?
If so how will it be handled or teched?
Any official numbers for a 21.5?
Is the race still NOVAK motors only?

I don't think Roar will answer you here! You need to email David Lee to get a answer. I can answer some of it, from what I'm hearing. Those numbers are the minimum numbers, no high number...If its lower than those, its illegal!

21.5 inductance numbers will be set by Donnie at Easley with Roars approval, you will need to get in touch with him. I'm hearing somewhere around 54.5 single pole......

And yes this is a NOVAK only motor race....

Concours question, according to ROAR rule book "Concours may be divided into two divisions; Best Appearing and Most Authentic". Will this be the case @ Easley or will there be one class, and if so which one? Thx
Tom

All concourse competitions the last couple of years have been on best appearing. Winners must race their winning body.:woohoo:

I have a few questions. Not to bash but it seems ROAR is a bit "slow" to respond so I'm hoping to get some questions answered quickly as the Nats are a month away.

Is there a +/- variance to the above?
If so how will it be handled or tech-ed?
Any official numbers for a 21.5?
Is the race still NOVAK motors only?

Tony .... I'll do my best to answer your questions.

Their is no tolerance/variance on BL motor inductance. The values posted in the approved BL motor listing on the ROAR website are the current LOW numbers for inductance measurements.

Inductance is measured at all three poles from the solder tab to the noddle ring. All three polls must be above the min or the motor does not pass tech. There is no max. on inductance. We use the same brand and model inductance meter in tech that is used at the approvals lab. You can email David Lee for inductance meter make and model if you'd like.

No official numbers on 21.5 inductance that I am aware of yet. I'm sure they'll be posted on the ROAR website before the race. Hopefully here in the next couple of weeks.

This years race is a Novak only motor race as was requested by the host.