Moebius Any Chance Of Seeing A New Jupiter II? I know that Polar Lights did a J2 as well as a few garage kit companies which is why I am asking. With so many versions (not all with the best quality without major resculpting), would it be profitable to have another one made available. Especially after seeing your seaview MASTERPIECE!!!!!!! It would be nice to see a larger more accurate J2 (say 16 to 24" range) then the Polar Lights.:wave:

Would be great,I second that.

I think the new Jupiter 2 kit would be a natural progression as the next BIG kit from Moebius after the Seaview. I think a larger pricier Flying Sub would NOT be the way to go next- I think Frank realizes that. The Jupiter 2 would be just as big a seller as the Seaview appears to be, I think it will be the big 2009 kit!
Gary

If they get any bigger I'll have to turn my garage into a model showroom.:)

I agree, I think 18 inches wide is fine.

Turning the garage into a model display room is not so bad, especially considering it is better then having a room full of empty beer bottles on display:p

We're looking at it. Nothing started at this point, so many other things in between. If it were to happen, it would be over a year from now, more like 18 months. Too many kits to look at doing, so little time...

Please definitely consider it. I would love to see an 18" J2 as soon as possible!

A bigger J2 would be great! But given the opportunity, I would love to see a craft that has yet to be made into a styrene kit. Maybe the Proteus from Fantastic Voyage or the Icarus from Planet of the Apes.

I'd love a Jupiter 2 in any standard modelling scale. 1/48 or 1/32 woudl be great. Sure 1/24 is nice but is that really practical? A good 1/48 kit could even include a couple accessories like a Chariot or Space Pod. And please give it some figures. And not just the Robot, cool as he is.

Please definitely consider it. I would love to see an 18" J2 as soon as possible!

Moebius, I'm good for at least 2 if the kit is offered.:thumbsup:

A bigger J2 would be great! But given the opportunity, I would love to see a craft that has yet to be made into a styrene kit. Maybe the Proteus from Fantastic Voyage or the Icarus from Planet of the Apes.

Does anyone know what the back half of the Icarus looks like. I think all we saw was the forward capsule sticking out of the water which is surely too short to house the beds and then the engine.

I could go for either of these too, but the J2 is the closest to my heart. PL just didn't do a good job on their's or offer any decent decals.

Certainly no bigger than 18"

Heck, I haven't even built my PL one yet!

only time i saw it was on the flat bed in the third movie, just a rounded hull in the back.

I think the new Jupiter 2 kit would be a natural progression as the next BIG kit from Moebius after the Seaview. I think a larger pricier Flying Sub would NOT be the way to go next- I think Frank realizes that.

Oh I wouldn't say that.

The J2 has been done to death. (ok not really, but I always wanted to say that about somebody elses favorite subject).

But how about something that hasn't been done at all like a WOTW martian war machine from the G.P. film.
In 1/48 or 1/32.

Irwin Allen stuff and Lost in Space are good sellers apparently- I would think A Jupiter 2 is a must for a kit producer. Look at how much talk (and passionate talk at that!)is generated by that ship. You would have 'em lined up for a new larger kit.
However I would love to see a large WOTW war machine, too! Fantastic design!
Yes I forgot about the Icarus- that is one ship I must have in styrene. The back part of the ship is a mystery and can be made up- as long as it is logical in design and looks cool I would be happy!
Gary

How about TWO Jupiter 2 subjects for us purists? ONE with straight sides, and the set interior, and 'different' landing gear, possibly with a crash site diorama that the model could be set into. It could have that 'beauty ring' around it and could have the Chariot tracks and maybe a cyclops footprint on one edge. All the "IT MUST HAVE AN INTERIOR" folks would have a correct hull to go with THAT interior. The second would match the 4 foot SPFX model with the curved sides and operating landing gear, with NO INTERIOR but what that SPFX model used.

I really don't see a reason to do yet another compromise Jupiter 2, which has been done in 12", 16/16.5" and 24" sizes. Wasting the effort to just re-hash an incorrect model seems like a bad idea. Look how well Moebius did with the Seaview. The Jupiter 2 should be handled in like fashion.

Polar lights Jupiter 2 was compromised for the sake of an interior. The lower level is a different scale than the upper deck. The lower hull shape was compromised too.

The Lunar models kits varied from a fairly close hull on the 16 inch models to waaaaaay off on the 24 inch model. The interiors all looked wrong somehow....because the scale of the set was different than the SPFX model.

I have a 4 foot hull so I know what it SHOULD look like, and I have NO PLANS to mess it up with some 'close-but-no-cigar' interior. I'll do mine like the original 4 foot SPFX. model.

That's a great Idea, But don't believe It would happen.

I think what we would get from Frank Is an 18" Version of the 4' Jupiter Two.

I agree about the lower deck being a Bad Idea On the Polar Lights kit, Although some guys really did a nice job on it. Based on what Moebius did with the Seaview, It would have a Upper Deck and Possibly Two different style Viewport frames.One production and one Pilot version.

Personally I would like the Gemini 12 version, I like the larger Viewport, Shape of the hull etc..

But forget about the lower deck, and have the hardware for the landing gear to Raise and lower.

Regards
BP

I don't think it would be practical to make the gear function/move/retract by any motor or whatever, but it would be nice if it could be made with movable parts so you could have it up, down and the pads adjusted to the terrain and the pad doors slid out of the way.

I don't think it would be practical to make the gear function/move/retract by any motor or whatever, but it would be nice if it could be made with movable parts so you could have it up, down and the pads adjusted to the terrain and the pad doors slid out of the way.


YES:thumbsup:

That's a great Idea, But don't believe It would happen.

I think what we would get from Frank Is an 18" Version of the 4' Jupiter Two.

I agree about the lower deck being a Bad Idea On the Polar Lights kit, Although some guys really did a nice job on it. Based on what Moebius did with the Seaview, It would have a Upper Deck and Possibly Two different style Viewport frames.One production and one Pilot version.

Personally I would like the Gemini 12 version, I like the larger Viewport, Shape of the hull etc..

But forget about the lower deck, and have the hardware for the landing gear to Raise and lower.

Regards
BP

Beatlepaul,

I would like a Jupiter 2 and a Gemini XII too. I've posted many times specifically about a Gemini XII, and I think both versions could be successful...

I would like to see an 18 inch Jupiter 2 for sure (the popular version) and, perhaps, a 12 inch Gemini XII version (maybe as a kit that would offer a complete Gemini XII, but that would also come with a first season planet base so the builder has the option of building up a crashsite or an inflight pilot version). I seriously doubt whether the Gemini XII would even become a kit, but maybe if wide interest was expressed and the kit was planned and executed in such a way so as to offer builders such display options, it could stand on its own. I'd consider (for myself) displaying a Moebius Jupiter 2 and a pilot episode style crashsite Gemini XII scene.

Whatever else is actually planned, I'm sure it will be fantastic anyhow.

Jim

does anyone know, is there a drawing or someones model that comes the closest to a "correct" J2 with both decks?

does anyone know, is there a drawing or someones model that comes the closest to a "correct" J2 with both decks?

There can't be. When you compare the physical size of the lower set with the outer dimensions of the Jupiter 2 hull, there is really no way to match the two up. Then you would need the *THIRD* level -- how are you going to fit this down in the fusion core??? :


http://www.tristatedata.com/share/j2core.jpg

Only in the Irwin Allen universe can you jam sooooo much technology into such a little ship.

But wait ... there was always Dr. Who ...!!!

--Henry!

^^^To be fair the power core level was seen in only one episode and for a short time. All other episodes just refered to two levels and the power core was on the second level. Dont know why many just dont consider the "3rd level" a continuity error and just move on.



does anyone know, is there a drawing or someones model that comes the closest to a "correct" J2 with both decks?

Heres a pic of a good representation of the two levels. Some rescaling of the interior to exterior relationship (very little) must be done but this is the nicest that I have seen.

From the Jupiter 2 propulsion specifications guide.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-media/product-gallery/1561675148/ref=cm_ciu_pdp_images_3?ie=UTF8&index=3


http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/3411/jupiter2ch0.th.jpg (http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jupiter2ch0.jpg)



There are many more pics in the actual book. Very nicely done and it all fits very well. I think it would be a shame if we didnt get the option for a second level. If the second level was left out of the kit I probably wouldnt be interested in getting one.

Since the Jupiter II was already done by PL I doubt a new one is coming anytime if at all. The TV Seaview, Pod and Chariot will sell well since they have never been done before. But since the J2 is nothing new, even though flawed, the bottom line is a profit for Moebius. I may be wrong but that's my opinion. However, I would love a new J2 so count me in.

I just want the work they do to be for something correct, not another rehash of something WRONG. I've never been a settler and I'm not starting now. I HAVE a 4 foot hull that IS correct. With everything working, the inside area for 'scenery' is small. I have decided on a jackshaft system to work the gear and pad doors. Takes up minimal space, has LOTS of torque and will stay in position with the power off. My fusion core clearance is 2 inches, and 3" for the bubble and cockpit lighting module. I wil be removing the upper door outline, which wasn't on the HERO, and also removing the Pod doors and re adding the chariot ramp. The support wires will attach inside and to the sides of the landing gear wells. Those hatches on top will allow acess for fixing any horrid equipment failures. (Plannin' fer da worst)

Since the Jupiter II was already done by PL I doubt a new one is coming anytime if at all. The TV Seaview, Pod and Chariot will sell well since they have never been done before. But since the J2 is nothing new, even though flawed, the bottom line is a profit for Moebius. I may be wrong but that's my opinion. However, I would love a new J2 so count me in.

Admiral Nelson,

You may be right. On the other hand, if flawed or very expensive kits have been all that has been available (not even counting where extensive bashing was necessary to deliver a reasonably close replica), that may be enough for Moebius to consider a Jupiter 2 that is:

A) more accurate (than, say the PL Jupiter 2), and
B) reasonably priced (And price may be able to be kept down by doing a good exterior and good upper deck; and by simply not even bothering with the extra cost of developing and including lower deck interior details that cannot ever be in sync with the upper deck anyway).

If you are right, then perhaps Moebius may consider something different like the Gemini XII, which is also the flight version, or other LIS vehicles.

Regards,
Jim

I just want the work they do to be for something correct, not another rehash of something WRONG. I've never been a settler and I'm not starting now. I HAVE a 4 foot hull that IS correct. With everything working, the inside area for 'scenery' is small. I have decided on a jackshaft system to work the gear and pad doors. Takes up minimal space, has LOTS of torque and will stay in position with the power off. My fusion core clearance is 2 inches, and 3" for the bubble and cockpit lighting module. I wil be removing the upper door outline, which wasn't on the HERO, and also removing the Pod doors and re adding the chariot ramp. The support wires will attach inside and to the sides of the landing gear wells. Those hatches on top will allow acess for fixing any horrid equipment failures. (Plannin' fer da worst)

Any pictures?

Since the Jupiter II was already done by PL I doubt a new one is coming anytime if at all. The TV Seaview, Pod and Chariot will sell well since they have never been done before. But since the J2 is nothing new, even though flawed, the bottom line is a profit for Moebius. I may be wrong but that's my opinion. However, I would love a new J2 so count me in. The Seaview had been done before, in both the 4 and 8 window versions. Monsters in Motion has a resin kit.
Still, the Seaview was not done WELL by either kits or the vacu-formed kits as well. The Moebius kit is a really well engineered kit. I'd like to see an equally as well kit of the TOS Jupiter II of a resonable size with an accurate interior.
It seems logical to do it now to complete the LIS lineup but I realize Moebius is working on other kits. So, I'll patiently wait and hope.

Call me crazy :drunk: but I'd love to see a model of the straight-sided exterior mock-up with legs and no real interior seen in "The Derelict" and a few other episodes. If it were big enough, you could have the rear lower hatch open for the Moebius version of the chariot driving out of it. :thumbsup:

Also, if the dimensions were close enough, maybe it could have some alternate parts (interior stuff as well) to do the studio version. :confused:

Wow! I'm glad I posted that question. I'm learning more about the differences in the studio miniatures (and why the other kits have accuracy problems) then I ever expected. Thanks guys!

It sounds reasonable that if the shape and layout of the lower deck sets could never match the exterior shape of the ship, (without changing its curvature ) then those decks should be eliminated from any model made to be accurate to a filming miniature. So apparently we have been getting ***IDEALIZED*** versions of the J2 from model companies that have done this subject in the past. All the more reason for Moebius to make an accurate version. Assuming there is a demand for it. We can wish our hearts out on any particular subject but common sense dictates that if he can't profit from it, then it won't happen (and rightfully so).

I personally would love to see a model around 18" in diameter with a nice main level interior. If anything had to be changed to make the set accurate to the external shape, I'd rather see the fudging done on the set. That way what you see externally (flight sequences) on screen, is what you see externally on the model.:thumbsup:

Wow! I'm glad I posted that question. I'm learning more about the differences in the studio miniatures (and why the other kits have accuracy problems) then I ever expected. Thanks guys!

It sounds reasonable that if the shape and layout of the lower deck sets could never match the exterior shape of the ship, (without changing its curvature ) then those decks should be eliminated from any model made to be accurate to a filming miniature. So apparently we have been getting ***IDEALIZED*** versions of the J2 from model companies that have done this subject in the past. All the more reason for Moebius to make an accurate version. Assuming there is a demand for it. We can wish our hearts out on any particular subject but common sense dictates that if he can't profit from it, then it won't happen (and rightfully so).

I personally would love to see a model around 18" in diameter with a nice main level interior. If anything had to be changed to make the set accurate to the external shape, I'd rather see the fudging done on the set. That way what you see externally (flight sequences) on screen, is what you see externally on the model.:thumbsup:


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Well, I'd like both a Jupiter 2 and a Gemini XII, but as far as the style of Jupiter 2 I would like to see if there ever is a kit is an 18-inch resembling the one seen inside "The Derelict" episode. The shot of the Jupiter 2 touching down inside the alien ship is inspiring....and the "scrim" behind the miniature figures seems to add, rather than detract, from the miniature.

Jim

Here's my Polar lights Jupiter 2 with both upper and lower decks detailed and corrections made to interior areas.

http://www.culttvman2.com/dnn/Default.aspx?tabid=548

Count me in for a larger Jupiter 2 from Moebius !

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Hello...

Well, I'd like both a Jupiter 2 and a Gemini XII, but as far as the style of Jupiter 2 I would like to see if there ever is a kit is an 18-inch resembling the one seen inside "The Derelict" episode. The shot of the Jupiter 2 touching down inside the alien ship is inspiring....and the "scrim" behind the miniature figures seems to add, rather than detract, from the miniature.

Jim

Was that the four-footer?:confused:

I personally prefer the full sized mock-up from that episode which I believe was also used for some scenes shortly after their first crash where you can see the underside of the J2 in front.

Was that the four-footer?:confused:


Yes it was. The Derelict SPFX shots were done on the Fantastic Voyage 'brain
set. The stuff draped all around was brain cells or something.

With the Polar Lights J2 becoming more rare and harder to find I sure hope Moebius does this one and does it soon. A larger one would be great, and I would sure be willing to lose the lower deck in order to put in the landing gear assembly. I am even okay with a studio version with the scrim behind the main flight control panel. The Derelict version was very nice. Hopefully we will see this in the 18 months Moebius mentioned. I'd hate to have to wait even longer. I am hoping he mentions it a s a kit for next year this October.

How big would a 1/24th scale version of the live action set J2 or the full scale exterior mock-up be?

two feet across for the 48 foot Set.

two feet across for the 48 foot Set.

Thats not that big. A kit could also have a pre-cut vac hull and injection molded everything else. Thats how IMEX did their giant 1/16 scale V-2 missile with full interior. There are some big vac airplane kits done the same way... injection details and vac wings, etc.

Thats not that big. A kit could also have a pre-cut vac hull and injection molded everything else. Thats how IMEX did their giant 1/16 scale V-2 missile with full interior. There are some big vac airplane kits done the same way... injection details and vac wings, etc.

Forget vac formed hulls for the Jupiter II!!! You ever try assembling a Lunar Kit?!!? NOT fun. Besides, the compound curves of the JII don't lend themselves to being vac-u-formed accurately.

AMEN FRETS !!!!! not a happy experience is it ? ! I know, I've done 2.

Forget vac formed hulls for the Jupiter II!!! You ever try assembling a Lunar Kit?!!? NOT fun. Besides, the compound curves of the JII don't lend themselves to being vac-u-formed accurately.

Actually I have built a lot of vac kits of all types (including a big 1/72 vac destroyer from Combat Models (they make Lunar look like Tamiya).

The problems with the Lunar kit can be alleviated a lot by how the kit is engineered overall, etc. Lunar had poor engineering... hence poor construction.

The contours of the hull can me molded in any method. Its not that complicated eihter compared to a ship hull or big airplane fusilage.

Lunar is NOT the gold standard in vac modelling and if your sole experiences with vac kits are based on Lunars J2 then you really have missed the boat there. They made some really rank kits. I bought my J2 sometime in the early 90s.

I had a Lunar Models version and gave it away after holding on to it for quite a few years. It was just too difficult a kit and turned me off vac kits. I am willing to reconsider if I saw better quality.

I had a Lunar Models version and gave it away after holding on to it for quite a few years. It was just too difficult a kit and turned me off vac kits. I am willing to reconsider if I saw better quality.

A well done, pre cut vac hull with injection molded stiffeners and joiners would be much easier than trying to blend together a pizza cut thing like the Polar Lights C57... Now if the hull could be injection molded on halves then thats fine... but no pizza slice construction!

... I bought my J2 sometime in the early 90s.

The quality of construction definitly improved; I got one of the first that Mike Evans made in the early 90's, and I got one of the very last ones that Randy Jarrett made last winter. It was STILL difficult, but much easier to hold together.
Now I need to keep my eye on ez-Bay to find an unbuilt (revised) interior for it one of these days. :hat:

Forget vac formed hulls for the Jupiter II!!! You ever try assembling a Lunar Kit?!!? NOT fun. Besides, the compound curves of the JII don't lend themselves to being vac-u-formed accurately.

Yes, I did!

I assembled Mike Evans' first vac-form offering, and I HATED it! I actually ended up throwing it away!

Just my two cents, but people seem to want an "accurate" J2 with interior, but we all know full well that this would be impossible due to the set sizees vs. the sizes of the miniatures. Trying to get an accurate J2 kit with interior would be like building a TARDIS with accurate, full interior.:freak:

Polar Lights made a damn good compromise kit, and it's still a benchmark in kit design, IMHO.

I tried to get a "late model" 16 inch job, but nobody wanted to sell theirs.

Yes, I did!

I assembled Mike Evans' first vac-form offering, and I HATED it! I actually ended up throwing it away!

Just my two cents, but people seem to want an "accurate" J2 with interior, but we all know full well that this would be impossible due to the set sizees vs. the sizes of the miniatures. Trying to get an accurate J2 kit with interior would be like building a TARDIS with accurate, full interior.:freak:

Polar Lights made a damn good compromise kit, and it's still a benchmark in kit design, IMHO.

Speaking of benches, the only thing I never understood about the PL J-2 was the bench seats.

. . . Polar Lights made a damn good compromise kit, and it's still a benchmark in kit design, IMHO.The Polar Lights J2 is an excellent kit for what it is. I just don't think they should have attempted to include the lower level. I mean, the believability of the design is somewhat compromised when the crew would have to shrink themselves to half their normal size to fit in the living quarters.