Impact parts state they have to be commercially avaliable, At NCS#3 at Indy I had a set of shocks for a t-maxx truck on my car and my boys, they are avaliable at any hobbyshop or online. Price is comparable to any 1/4 scale shock on the market or from manufacture of the cars maybe a tad cheaper.

During the drivers meeting it was discussed that the rule needs to be clarified so parts from hobbyshops avaliable to the public at a reasonable price would be excluded.

I don't want any trouble later if I can make it to another NCS race.

What do I need to do?

Thanks to the GN guys for letting me run them, they was all I had and made my first 1/4 scale race a ball.

Thanks Joey

If they fit the rule criteria why wouldn't they be legal? What would make them illegal?

IMPACT PARTS (11.12.05)
Impact Parts are defined as parts or components that are uniquely critical to
the competitive operation of a quarter scale race car. They are further defined
as items where significant technical developments and/or enhancements might
possibly render the previous version of the part or component obsolete or noncompetitive
or represents an excessive cost versus benefit to the racer. The
current list of IMPACT PARTS includes but is not limited to, engines, carburetors,
clutches, clutch bells and components, brakes and components, shock
absorbers, tires, hosts and bands and bodies. Parts or components should be
readily available to all QSAC members.
Manufacturers are urged to submit in writing, parts or components that fall into
this category, to the Impact Parts Committee Chairman or Co-Chair for review
and disposition as to the legality for competition under QSAC rules.


i heard about someone having 200.00 dollar shock's being used that were hard to get. i believe joey's were around 100.00 or 110.00 dollars from hobby shop. i don't know about using piggyback shock though.

$200 shock... $800 set? Damn the price of gas is not hurting this racer:thumbsup:

$200 shock... $800 set? Damn the price of gas is not hurting this racer:thumbsup:

a set of 4 shocks, if i heard rite $200.00 to $250.00 for a set

the part of the shock being a reservoir, piggyback shock.... enhancement issue. i don't know on this one, any input here?

Ohh, $200 set that's not too bad. I can understand a reservoir not being legal.

!/4 scale shocks are so out of date compared to any off road company's shocks it funny. plus most are cheaper than stock shocks.

!/4 scale shocks are so out of date compared to any off road company's shocks it funny. plus most are cheaper than stock shocks.

your rite! i looked at some shocks that were for offroad non piggyback though. to try out

What makes you guys think the current Mfg shocks are out of date? Are you not winning with them? Are you having constant problems with them? Why not make a suggestion to the mfg for approvals if you are unhappy with their product? Why would you need an offroad shock..rough track?

actually, list price is $139 bucks for a set of 8! don't know how they last and 1 already has a bent shaft, but was in a tangle with the wall. Ordered a shaft and seal kit for 2, for $9. These shocks have no way to change valving from out side, inside just change plastic piston with 1,2 or 3 holes for adjustment. Local track has no problem with them, just trying to make sure if I go to another NCS race It will be fine.

On a oval track you don't need alot of shock movement. Why would you want a offroad shock?
I like the shocks I have they are $240.00 aset with spring but well worth the money.:thumbsup:
Shocks are like cars everyone likes differant ones.

!/4 scale shocks are so out of date compared to any off road company's shocks it funny. plus most are cheaper than stock shocks.

hard coated shock walls super silky smooth, nitride hardened shafts pretty much will never wear,no leak seals and some 1/8 scale cars use the same size shafts at 1/4 scales.
this is just my take im not sayn im right ...but when you open and WCM and its not even a piston with holes.
I know i can control rebound easy with a 1/8 scale shock and not rebuild one for a full year of off road. also when a part like the shock cap wears out it's cheap and i know i can get the part for about 20 years lol unlike for say a lighting shock on a car 3 years old....and its not made anymore.

now your shocks are not a normal 1/4 shock and I would spend the money on them...Jeff

a set of 4 shocks, if i heard rite $200.00 to $250.00 for a set

the price isn't really the issue at hand. Are they avalible for you to buy , even if you have to wait, (maybe they only make so many a year) If you have the money , can you get them. If someone sells them to anyone they should be avalible to everyone. If you make some for yourself because you think you have a better idea , that fine. but if you sell to anyone or give it away for that matter, then everyone should have that option if they want it.
no matter what the price. I believe that is the idea behind the rule.

Ohh, $200 set that's not too bad. I can understand a reservoir not being legal.

don't know if its legal but don't know why it wouldn't . Its still just a shock absorber. who cares. Can i got get a set of those at the hobby shop? yes. end of issue as far as im concerned.

What makes you guys think the current Mfg shocks are out of date? Are you not winning with them? Are you having constant problems with them? Why not make a suggestion to the mfg for approvals if you are unhappy with their product? Why would you need an offroad shock..rough track?

I think the idea with the offroad shock is that its large like the shocks we use.
wider width. any of those shocks that i've seen in the past were pretty cheap. very cheap materials. but i know they have come along way since then with the craze of those large offroad type trucks. you know with the four wheel steering and all the eye candy on them. they have some pretty beefy shocks. never thought of using those. hhuumm??? LOL i think piggy backs are totally unnessary.

It's not the end of issue if the reservoir is illegal for QSAC competition...just a shock absorber or not. Plus, if you read this entire thread you would have noticed who is concerned. If it's not an issue for you then why would you jump on a thread with a thoughtless comment...period? don't know if its legal but don't know why it wouldn't . Its still just a shock absorber. who cares. Can i got get a set of those at the hobby shop? yes. end of issue as far as im concerned.

[QUOTE=BADDMAN;2382535]hard coated shock walls super silky smooth, nitride hardened shafts pretty much will never wear,no leak seals and some 1/8 scale cars use the same size shafts at 1/4 scales.
this is just my take im not sayn im right ...but when you open and WCM and its not even a piston with holes.
I know i can control rebound easy with a 1/8 scale shock and not rebuild one for a full year of off road. also when a part like the shock cap wears out it's cheap and i know i can get the part for about 20 years lol unlike for say a lighting shock on a car 3 years old....and its not made anymore.

What a man you are if your going to try and convince me of a no rebuild on a offroad shock in 1 year. I will say boldly it must be just sitting on the shelf. I have run dirt for alot of years and that don't happen.

If you are not rebuilding your shocks every few races.or at least refiilling them and bleeding air. you are simply peeing in the wind.

Granted i have no idea why 1/4 scale do not have pistons with different holes for dampening either. But then it goes back to the same old song and dance of what shock to buy flavor of the month deal.

Simple If dissastified.contact QSAC and give a suggestion. They are not closed minded to changes.

If I read the rule and understand the original question, A shock other than designed for the 1/4 scale is not allowed. To clerify, I put 2 shocks from the rear of a maximum mt, 1/10 scale but same length as my pro1s, are or are not legel for qsac sanctioned race?

What a man you are if your going to try and convince me of a no rebuild on a offroad shock in 1 year. I will say boldly it must be just sitting on the shelf. I have run dirt for alot of years and that don't happen.

If you are not rebuilding your shocks every few races.or at least refiilling them and bleeding air. you are simply peeing in the wind.


Haaa I do rebuilds on my off road shocks and as a matter of fact i take good care of them ...But they don't wear out the seals and shock shafts are smoother for longer amount of time with less wear... compared to a 1/4 scale shock.
I know my jammin truggy getting 30 feet of air and over 40 feet long is harder the seals and the rest of the shock then and shock on a 1/4 scale car..

I don't prefer 1/4 scale to 1/8 scale shocks thats all and simply wanted to know if i could run a 1/8 scale over and 1/4 shock.
also i know i can buy a shock cap from a losi buggy from 10 years ago if i had to and its hard to get a shock cap for a lighting from 3 years ago is one reason i would like a different shock.
thanks for taking the time to read this sorry is its started a up roar lol

I didn't post this to get a debate going! I was hoping that the QSAC officials would see this post and clarify if they was going to change the impact ruling for shocks as we discussed at the NCS#3 race. I know in the drivers meeting it was discussed and the drivers of that class didn't have a problem with it and the discussed about rewriting the rules to state if comercially avaliable to everyone, always in stock and not outragously expensive it would be legal. Everyone agreed it's cheap, might not be better, but if I want to use a 15 dollar shock because I got 2 boys running also and can't just buy the best equipment for my car only, I have to buy or shop smartly to be able to keep up 4 cars and enjoy ourselves.

If they are better than whats avaliable because of a resovoir WHAT THE HECK buy you some, $55.00 for 4 of them can't hardly buy a tire for that. if they are cheap and not dependable, Keep your $ 200 shocks just allow those of us that can only afford cheap ones run them at a NCS race.

In my opinion I like them, I want to race, off this weekend, the next weekend 7 hour trip to Lansing, week after7 hours to Montgomery AL then 2 1/2 to Indy, if I can run these shocks then maybe the next week8 hours to Freddies at NCS#4. I can't afford to change 2 cars over to approved shocks with gas prices the way they are and make races.

Just venting in good fun, hoping this will make its way up to the right people in QSAC, Which is supposed to be US.

Joey

Joey, you know us we'll debate anything :). You should call Brent or Randy Brown about the shocks. The spirit of the rules usually mean if it's not noted then it's not legal but that is always a gray area until ruled on by a tech official.

We look forward to seeing you guys soon!

Thanks, Tim Hopefully May 25 if that weekend is still on, Sunday race? Look forward to meeting you again.

Joey

Impact parts state they have to be commercially avaliable, At NCS#3 at Indy I had a set of shocks for a t-maxx truck on my car and my boys, they are avaliable at any hobbyshop or online. Price is comparable to any 1/4 scale shock on the market or from manufacture of the cars maybe a tad cheaper.

During the drivers meeting it was discussed that the rule needs to be clarified so parts from hobbyshops avaliable to the public at a reasonable price would be excluded.

I don't want any trouble later if I can make it to another NCS race.

What do I need to do?

Thanks to the GN guys for letting me run them, they was all I had and made my first 1/4 scale race a ball.

Thanks Joey

Hi Racenut53,

You will get the answer(s) you need much faster by asking the QSAC Rules Committee, or the QSAC CO-Chairs (or both) b/c they very seldom (If at all) come to Hobbytalk.

You can find the contact info. for both here: http://www.qsac.org/contact

It's not the end of issue if the reservoir is illegal for QSAC competition...just a shock absorber or not. Plus, if you read this entire thread you would have noticed who is concerned. If it's not an issue for you then why would you jump on a thread with a thoughtless comment...period?

I read it from the begining. It wasn't a thoughtless comment. he ask on a public forum what people thought . If at the next NCS race , it comes up again about these shocks that anyone can buy petty easy, compared to made for 1/4 parts, Im going to say go for it. and a reservoir does nothing to help you that i can see for our application. so FOR ME i don't have problem with it.
But I didn't do tech at the last NCS i was at or will i do it at the next one. and since do race NCS races i jump in as you put it..
so i hope they don't ask us at the race if we should allow it so someone can race because i guess our opinion means nothing, so read the rule book and change your shocks. dont' ask here either. go right to QSAC and find out. Instead of waiting until the next NCS to find out if you can run them again.
sorry , i'll never give any advice or my thoughts on an issue again on this forum.

Thanks, Scott

I was hoping they would visit this site but I went ahead and sent an email to Scott S.

Have fun hope to see you at freddies

Joey

Before you get your feelings hurt, go back and re-read my post, your reply and then mine again. You asked who cared... (the man that started the thread is who cares).

You said it was the end of the issue as far as you are concerned.... I said it's not the end of issue because like you stated (you are on a public forum and your comment would be misleading to those reading as to just any run of the mill shock being legal for QSAC competition).

You say go for it on a shock that has a reservoir... have you ever seen a shock with a reservoir in QSAC competition or have one come from a 1/4 scale mfg? No! Why? Probably becasue it has not been approved Or... it has been deemed illegal!!

If you choose not to reply again that would be your choice. Once again, it's a free forum. But when you post/reply comments here you must expect to have someone do the same.

Have a good day.


I read it from the begining. It wasn't a thoughtless comment. he ask on a public forum what people thought . If at the next NCS race , it comes up again about these shocks that anyone can buy petty easy, compared to made for 1/4 parts, Im going to say go for it. and a reservoir does nothing to help you that i can see for our application. so FOR ME i don't have problem with it.
But I didn't do tech at the last NCS i was at or will i do it at the next one. and since do race NCS races i jump in as you put it..
so i hope they don't ask us at the race if we should allow it so someone can race because i guess our opinion means nothing, so read the rule book and change your shocks. dont' ask here either. go right to QSAC and find out. Instead of waiting until the next NCS to find out if you can run them again.
sorry , i'll never give any advice or my thoughts on an issue again on this forum.

Joey,

sorry for hijacking your thread. Like posted above, always go directly to the rules committee on any issue you do not understand... not us de-baters on the forums because we (as you can see) get way off base with the topic :)

My feeling aren't hurt.
I didn't ask who cares. I said who cares meaning who cares if someone runs them against me. but thats me. and apparantly the rest of those GN guys he ran with.
sorry for the confusion.
ASK QSAC . He should have got an answer right there at the track.
as far as approved. I've seen a whole lot that has n't been approved by QSAC. Or came from 1/4manufactues. Have seen drivers go make their my own shocks. you don't know whats inside that shock. and it wasn't sent to QSAC for approval.

I know one thing. No where in my comments did I say the shocks in question were LEGAL. Only that i don't see why they should be outlawed when disecting the rule , when I personnally don't see any advantage to them. my opinion only of course. So just ignore it.

It's all good!:thumbsup:My feeling aren't hurt.
I didn't ask who cares. I said who cares meaning who cares if someone runs them against me. but thats me. and apparantly the rest of those GN guys he ran with.
sorry for the confusion.
ASK QSAC . He should have got an answer right there at the track.
as far as approved. I've seen a whole lot that has n't been approved by QSAC. Or came from 1/4manufactues. Have seen drivers go make their my own shocks. you don't know whats inside that shock. and it wasn't sent to QSAC for approval.

I know one thing. No where in my comments did I say the shocks in question were LEGAL. Only that i don't see why they should be outlawed when disecting the rule , when I personnally don't see any advantage to them. my opinion only of course. So just ignore it.

from my understanding this issue is being addressed from a qsac standpoint brent & randy brown allready know about it i am shure those guys will get you the answer you need soon e-mail brent and keep it on his mind he will respond

Okay. We all know were this could go. A serious racer and a machinist could have a ball with this. they could make shocks thay would blow your mind. But at who's expense? In addition how many would really understand what the shock package designed would require to get the most out of it. Are we that good we have a nascar crew chief in our pits telling, this is what we need to do.
We do this as a hobby, and granted is taken very seriously. But if we forget the real reason why we do this, well maybe it is time we do something different. Having Fun!!!

Do what ya want with this im not trying to sell ya nothing. Have fun.

Slider,
I had a crew chief for a while but he had to go back to AL for an unfortunate reason. I had big time Plankhead. LOL:wave:

Your right if ya don't have fun, quit because I don't want them to bring me down.:thumbsup:

Joey

did you buy 3 cars with no shocks ?

No the two WCM's had old shocks on them and could not get to hold oil over a practice session in a parking lot 50-60 laps, oil on arms.
The other car is a Pro 1 with good shocks. Just running low on funds getting into sport buying cars and trailer so I looked on the internet and found cheaper shocks since I needed 2 sets,

Joey

Joey,

Did you ever get a ruling on your shocks?

Sent and email to Rules commitee, Scott S 5-9, and to all all other Qsac officials a few min ago.

Tim can they be ran at LPR on the 25th ? the Memorial weekend race will bring 1 truck 2 cars and a sprint to test.

Joey

I will confer with the other three officials to get you an answer in the next few days.

thanks Tim

From QSAC they are fine to run.

Joey

Joey, if the shocks are legal for QSAC competition then they are legal for LPR.

See you on the 25th.

See ya there

In the beginning of 1/4 scale back in the 80s many cars were running RC 10 shocks on there cars and I know there are still some sprint cars that are running them today. I run 1/4 scale shocks and have no problems with leaking but have seen some of the other and (good) drivers around the sport running shocks with oil all over the outsides of them and they still run fast however if you change the seals (and oil) on a regular basis (as I do) they shouldnt leak. If they do you have some other (installation) problem. DD