Do you have the Moebius Seaview without the other sub in back?


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BeatlePaul or anyone working on their seaview. Bob perovich wants to develop a correct paint scheme for the interior of the seaview ( like he did for the PL Jupiter 2 ) he has a question and here it is

"How big are the interior details? Are they large enough for credible painting?Can the interior cabin be removed for viewing once the model is complete"

BeatlePaul.....

I was able to take a picture of MY Seaview at the same angle as the 17 footer...

Other than the height of the conning tower they are the same Windows, fins, flukes... everything. Photoshop was being a pain so I did the stuff in MS Word, where I could better scale the Moebius photo.

Any chance for a ballast vent slots done on photoetch? The 4 slot bases are suppose to be slightly raised anyway.

BeatlePaul or anyone working on their seaview. Bob perovich wants to develop a correct paint scheme for the interior of the seaview ( like he did for the PL Jupiter 2 ) he has a question and here it is

"How big are the interior details? Are they large enough for credible painting?Can the interior cabin be removed for viewing once the model is complete"

Hi Bert.:wave:

I am going to start SuperDetailing the interior control room next.
I guess if you don't cement the botom area/Flying Sub bay to the sub, You would be able to remove it...

However, I am lighting/have lit the interior and have replaced the kit windows with my own.
You get a pretty good view of the interior.
I am working on a interior paint scheme that I will be using, if the guys are interested, I'll post it here when I am done.:wave:

A couple more pics of the final exterior color in Natural Sunlight.

Notice how the color changes in different light settings....

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WOW OUTSTANDING BP !! did you add navigation lights to the sail or are those already supplied with the kit ?

WOW OUTSTANDING BP !! did you add navigation lights to the sail or are those already supplied with the kit ?


Great Eye Bert!!!!:thumbsup:

Yes I added the Navigation Lights to the Sail, but they are not the clear ones that came with the kit.
They are my own,which hopefully, all goes well will give the right scale/look when I light them up.

High Regards,
BP

I screwed up one of my vent holes and opened up too wide. What's the best way to repair it?

I screwed up one of my vent holes and opened up too wide. What's the best way to repair it?


Hmmnnn, It Depends. You could use strip Stryene. Kind of layer it on then Sand it untill it blends in.

Hope this helps?

BP

above is one solution can we see a photo of the area ?

I screwed up one of my vent holes and opened up too wide. What's the best way to repair it?

I would shore it up with some Evergreen strip styrene and then fill in the gaps with a little filler. Even if you have to enlarge the hole a little...

Nav lights on the Sail? Those the things that look like windows?

Nav lights on the Sail? Those the things that look like windows?

The navigation lights. One green, one red. Tells another ship what where you are in relation to starboard or port. Clear lights are rear or stern. The "windows" are called deadlights. They aren't on the FS Seaview.

I would shore it up with some Evergreen strip styrene and then fill in the gaps with a little filler. Even if you have to enlarge the hole a little...

That's what I'll do. The last holes the bit got away from me and it was too late. I don't like going from behind and sanding the holes as the plastic can get hot and warp if you aren't careful.

Once the limber holes are opened up, there is a lot of "space" to see inside the hull. How did you hide all of this? I was thinking of adding some plastic sheet on the inside about 2mm from the holes. Another thought is to add some model rocket tubing to represent the ballast tanks. Ron

The navigation lights. One green, one red. Tells another ship what where you are in relation to starboard or port. Clear lights are rear or stern. The "windows" are called deadlights. They aren't on the FS Seaview.

Thanks. I'll probably add them as well, since there's not a whole lot to light, and I remember them from the show, model accuracy or not. I just want what I recall from the show, so mine will be an idealized version.

Once the limber holes are opened up, there is a lot of "space" to see inside the hull. How did you hide all of this? I was thinking of adding some plastic sheet on the inside about 2mm from the holes. Another thought is to add some model rocket tubing to represent the ballast tanks. RonOn a real submarine, the space under the deck superstructure is open to the sea and fills with water when submerged. What you would see behind the limber holes is the curved upper surface of the outer hull. Since the Seaview's hull has a constant circular cross-section for most of its length, adding curved sheet plastic to represent the top of the hull should be fairly easy.

are there windows or viewports at the front of the sail as is on the PL seaview ? I don't see any on this one.

are there windows or viewports at the front of the sail as is on the PL seaview ? I don't see any on this one.

The movie version of the Seaview had windows in the sail. When the model was rebuilt for the second season of the TV series the windows disappeared.

Once the limber holes are opened up, there is a lot of "space" to see inside the hull. How did you hide all of this? I was thinking of adding some plastic sheet on the inside about 2mm from the holes. Another thought is to add some model rocket tubing to represent the ballast tanks. Ron

I scratch built a "Pressure Hull"

I used Sheet styrene curved it and glued it in. I first painted it Black, Then Silver then the final Hull color to prevent Light leaks.


BP

are there windows or viewports at the front of the sail as is on the PL seaview ? I don't see any on this one.

No Bert.

The "dead lights" are only on the Movie/First season 8 window Seaview.

Looks like I need to add the Deadlights and front sail windows as well to my version then.

Looks like I need to add the Deadlights and front sail windows as well to my version then.

Dead lights and front sail windows are the same thing.

They ARE NOT on the Flying Sub version of Seaview.

Again, they are only on the 8 window sub.


BP

Ok, then I'll add the left and right light, and the front deadlights as well.

Many of us don't have any nautical lingo education at all, and that makes it difficult to understand what people are talking about, unless they also explain that as well when they post.

I had to read the "limber hole" posts over quite a few times, trying to figure out what the heck they were talking about.

Ok, then I'll add the left and right light, and the front deadlights as well.

Many of us don't have any nautical lingo education at all, and that makes it difficult to understand what people are talking about, unless they also explain that as well when they post.

I had to read the "limber hole" posts over quite a few times, trying to figure out what the heck they were talking about.

No Problem.

I believe you want to add the Left and right Marker Lights. Only.

Front deadlights are Windows in front on the sail, again 8 window version only.

Ok, then I'll add the left and right light, and the front deadlights as well.


The deadlights are the windows that SHOULDNT be there... and the kit has the side marker lights already so there is nothing to add...

i gotta say how impressed i am of all the little details you guys are seeing on both film and tv versions. i mean you guys are catching every little thing!

Being fans since childhood and watching every episode 100's of time tend to help.;)

No Bert.

The "dead lights" are only on the Movie/First season 8 window Seaview.
Thanks BP. I was wondering about that, this makes it better then as I like the clean look of the sail without ! How are you going to display your F/S ? beside or under the F/S bay ?

Being fans since childhood and watching every episode 100's of time tend to help.;)

This is where a mis-spent youth comes in handy!!:freak:

I had some extra LEDS that were left over from other Projects. I strung about 8-10 together.

I don't like the Bluish tint it gives, so I may do something else.:thumbsup:


These may be the white LED's you're looking for....

http://www.theledlight.com/5mmwhleds.html

This is where a mis-spent youth comes in handy!!:freak:

which is better, a mis-spent youth or a mis-spent adulthood?

I just ordered mine today so I haven't seen one of these in real life yet. Tell me, do you think the main windows are a little too high up on the nose of the sub or is that just a photo artifact? What do you think about the position and length of the sonar domes? And could you tell me, what is the outside diameter of the main hull? I don't get to see mine until my birthday or Christmas, and I'm dying for details about her. Looking forward to following your thread. Thanks for starting it!

Guys, here is a pic of my interior Lighting Adjusted to, I hope, better reflect the full size Miniatures Lighting.
You will notice I left the main searchlight and Belly Lights The same...

However the interior lighting is warmer, with the Original Leds I had still there..

Next up I need to tie the Sail and Tail Lighting in..

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That is a beautiful build of one of my all time favorite subjects! Wow!
Somehow I must have done something to my browser as I started reading this thread, as I missed seeing most of the thread until after I posted a little while ago. After seeing the superimposed shots of the Moebius and the 17', I still have the same questions. The shot of the 17' does appear to be from a nice long distance away but the shot of the Moebius seems to be centered about 2/3 of the way along the ship. The nose is definitely seen from a slight behind angle. So I'm not sure that the super-imposed version actually proves that there are any differences from the "real" miniature. I have to admit, your photo above, if a little poorer in quality and with the addition of a couple of wires, could pass for a screen grab from the DVD.
Over on Hobbytalk
http://www.hobbytalk.com/bbs1/showthread.php?t=219645
I just reposted my Seaview plans from 2 years ago. Can't find the original thread there anymore so I provided the briefest of summaries about the drawing of these. Unfortunately it is a large sheet and I have a small scanner so some printing and cutting and pasting will be required if you want to see the whole thing.
Again, nice work!

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Different lighting..side by side..

You look like you have nailed those colors. I was just wondering how anything so dark on the surface could look so light under water, even if it was lit with a 10 billion watt klieg light, yet obviously it can. Again, your Seaview is brilliant!
I have no idea where I downloaded this from, but it shows not too well a plainer grey top color of the bridge plus a contrasting color that I was going to use for the bottom of the planes and hull. I wonder if Fox was making any WW2 movies at the time of the Voyage movie? I can't see them mixing an obscure paint chade just for the Seaview and the grey blue green combination sounds vaguely RLM to me.

You look like you have nailed those colors. I was just wondering how anything so dark on the surface could look so light under water, even if it was lit with a 10 billion watt klieg light, yet obviously it can. Again, your Seaview is brilliant!
I have no idea where I downloaded this from, but it shows not too well a plainer grey top color of the bridge plus a contrasting color that I was going to use for the bottom of the planes and hull. I wonder if Fox was making any WW2 movies at the time of the Voyage movie? I can't see them mixing an obscure paint chade just for the Seaview and the grey blue green combination sounds vaguely RLM to me.

Thanks for the Kind words Sir. I appreciate and am humbled by it.

That Image is from the Feature Film.

It is the flying Bridge of the 8 window Seaview. The 8 window Seaview Is Painted DIFFERENTLY than our Four Window versions.
And believe it or not, you can get the correct colors much easier for that version.

High Regards,
BP

Another Update Guys..

I have lit up the Sail and Tail Lights...

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Many thanks to My bud Falcon Designs for the technical Help:thumbsup::thumbsup:

BEATLEPAUL!!!! SERIOUSLY!!

write out how you built and lit your Seaview and mail me them to me!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i want to shamelessly copy you!

BEATLEPAUL!!!! SERIOUSLY!!

write out how you built and lit your Seaview and mail me them to me!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i want to shamelessly copy you!

I sincerely thank you Sir.:thumbsup:

I wanted to capture the "Vintage/classic" Lighting effect Fox used on all their miniatures back in the 1960s. Including andMost importantly, Voyage To The Bottom Of the Sea.

It's"Scaled" Lighting. I think I will be putting Seaview in a Diorama of sorts.

Awesome work BeatlePaul! I've really enjoyed watching this come together and it inspires me to give it a try. Now...when does the book come out with how to wire the Moebius Seaview? I certainly would like to know how you did it and what supplies you used and how to get them...if you'd like...you can send me an e-mail also on how to get mine kick started! I have NEVER put lighting into a model before so this would certainly be a first for me. Any tips you can send would be a great help!

MMM

We could use a thread on lighting. I have a Seaview coming and a big Titanic model. Both would benefit form lighting. Wait... Didn't Fluke post something a while back?

That's just the type of information that would go GREAT as a sticky at the top of this forum...lighting interior models. Let me know if Flukes thread has any of the how to get started info and how to do it..battery or 12V stuff too! I haven't located it yet...

MMM

This link has a wealth of information on LEDs for hobbyists:
http://led.linear1.org/

I'm looking up more.

It is looking great,beatlepaul!Great talking to you the other day.alexander

It is looking great,beatlepaul!Great talking to you the other day.alexander


It was my pleasure Sir. I learned a lot!!

BP

Awesome work BeatlePaul! I've really enjoyed watching this come together and it inspires me to give it a try. Now...when does the book come out with how to wire the Moebius Seaview? I certainly would like to know how you did it and what supplies you used and how to get them...if you'd like...you can send me an e-mail also on how to get mine kick started! I have NEVER put lighting into a model before so this would certainly be a first for me. Any tips you can send would be a great help!

MMM

Thanks for the Kind words Sir.:thumbsup:

Ok, I am not finished Yet. I have more Plans for this Boat. I will be More than Happy to share whatever Knowledge I have with you guys.

I plan on making the Radar mast Rotate as well, and some cool Ideas for the Flying Sub, and Sub Bay....

I am by no means an electronic expert. I just do a lot of Detective work!!

Can you show us the wiring, switch and bulbs you used? I hope it's not a state secret.