I've thought of doing mine in light blue as well. That's the way I always saw it as a kid, and how I remember it.. and look at all the dvd box art.. all light blue.

Shhhhhhhh!!!!! Careful, you'll wake them!!!!

`s all good. :thumbsup:

Shhhhhhhh!!!!! Careful, you'll wake them!!!!

Too late. I just heard a foot hit the floor. Run for your lives!!!:freak:

R'uh R'oh!!!

Before the paint monsters get here, what color is the Seaview on the Moebius box?

The painting (not the best color guide) is something close to overall gull grey or camouflage grey.

How about Silver Metal Flake with Blue and WHite Ghost flames and chrome trim?

Hmmm maybe a metallic light blue? (Actually I did a killer new gen enterprise using a gray primer base coat, a light silver top coat, and hen a dusting of metallic blue on top of that. oddly enough, the color looks just like what we see in the tv show, even though technically it was inaccurate.
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How about Silver Metal Flake with Blue and WHite Ghost flames and chrome trim?

Gives me an idea. How about a new show called "Pimp my Sub"?:p

The aftermarket kits are already doing that.. LOL!

With the 50th anniversery comming up maybe you should paint her gold!
Rick
P.S. Irwin Allen is dead so if yopu go with grey automotive primer and flat white on the bottom he won't roll over in his grave
Rick

OK gentlemen, here is a pic of my Final Upper Hull Color.

First let me say, I decided on this color based on several Different Sources. I am by no means an Expert on what color the 17'3" Seaview was.

Nor am I saying this is the Color you should go with. To me the detective work involved With making models like this is Half the fun. I have had the Pleasure of Communicating with several Gentlemen who 'DO Know what she looked like". One in particular I trust the most.

Anyhoo here she is....

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/1518/seaviewbuild50001gx1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/9852/seaviewbuild50002bs6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

And to compare to this Surface shot of the 17 footer...
http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/3563/garykseaviewcopysa6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Gives me an idea. How about a new show called "Pimp my Sub"?:p

That reminds me of my second Aurora Seaview kit from the early 70s. I was probabaly around 10... My dad had got me building models when I was about 7. Anyway, I had built the Aurora Creature from the Black Lagoon and my mom was going to Woolco or some place like that, so I asked her for a can of Testors or Pactra leaf green spray paint. Anyway, she got me Testors Lime Gold Metallic. Man thats one butt ugly color. So I had a Lime Gold Creature (with red paint trim for blood). The next week I wanted to paint my Seaview... so it got the same Lime Gold Metallic finish. EWWWWWWWWWWW. Some years later I did repaint it dark grey and white before taking it on a vacation trip to Crystal River (where it sank). Somewhere in the clear, cold springwater is a Seaview...

Ok Paul, give us the lowdown on your three colors for the hull, keel, ballast vent color and flying sub colors.

yeah paul! what colors did you use and please give us the lowdown on your lighting!
it looks awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oooooh.Very nice Paul.The lighted interior really adds style to the kit.Could even be used as a giant night light.:thumbsup:

Wow!! I've probably canoed over your sunken Seaview! Great story!

That reminds me of my second Aurora Seaview kit from the early 70s. I was probabaly around 10... My dad had got me building models when I was about 7. Anyway, I had built the Aurora Creature from the Black Lagoon and my mom was going to Woolco or some place like that, so I asked her for a can of Testors or Pactra leaf green spray paint. Anyway, she got me Testors Lime Gold Metallic. Man thats one butt ugly color. So I had a Lime Gold Creature (with red paint trim for blood). The next week I wanted to paint my Seaview... so it got the same Lime Gold Metallic finish. EWWWWWWWWWWW. Some years later I did repaint it dark grey and white before taking it on a vacation trip to Crystal River (where it sank). Somewhere in the clear, cold springwater is a Seaview...

What's scary, is I think MY seaview was also that same lime gold metallic. I remember having a spray can of it, but don't recall at all why I painted it that color.

A friend had a tar lined back yard pond, and we used to play with it in the water there.

I remember the end of it's day, I sawed off the front and back sections and joined them together for some reason, making it more like a 1 seater underwater 50's hot rod. And then we discovered M-80 firecrackers, and they fit inside it quite well.....

Ok Paul, give us the lowdown on your three colors for the hull, keel, ballast vent color and flying sub colors.


For the Flying Sub version Seaview, we have a real problem in that whatever the paint colors Fox used 2nd through fourth seasons were, at best to be described as "fugitive." One just can't exactly pin them down without having the original in one's hand. I had attempted to match those colors on the 8 footer nose section while it was briefly in my posession some 15 years or so ago with no luck. No pantone color came close and mixing colors in "Floquil" proved useless. I DID TRY! Incidentally, the four footer in F.S. version was a plain neutral gray when I saw it in December 1975.
What I can tell you is this: The top color is a brownish/slightly greenish grey. This is called from what I understand, a "mired shift" color. No true hue in particular. It changes drastically with the type of light source. That was compounded by the limber hole "plates" the ballast slots on the deck sides as well as all details, hatches doors, etc., and all shading, (there was a lot more of that than a lot of people seem to realize) in a darker and slightly greener shade of grey. It really was most unnattractive. It looked as though it was basically aircraft camoflage but in darker shades. The Model Master SAC colors somewhat darkened may be closer than anything else that I can say.


.. From an E-Mail to me by Paul Lubliner...

Again, this is the colors and way I chose to do it. No doubt others will stick to their "Light Ghost Grey". IMHO, Paul is THE expert on all things Seaview.
Thats the colors I tried to replicate.

High Regards,
BP

BP now I'm really confused. When the model was first announced the top two questions were;

1) "What color do we paint the underside?"
2) "What color do we paint the topside?"

When th sub came out we have;

1) "What shade of light gray is the keel?"
2) "Do we use blue-gray or medium gray for the main body of the sub?"
3) "What is the best way to drill out the limber holes?"

Now we have a forth question to add to the above questions

4) "Is the "flatbed" a different color than the main body?

Did I miss a questions?

Actually exterior colors are kinda no brainers. Painting the interior control room will take a lot more time, and more intel.

I have so old wood grain cupboard liner I'll probably use for the wooden panelled walls inside.

I finally got my seaview in Reno, can't wait to open her up !

I will be painting mine with the addition of appropriate shading and weathering on the upper and lower surfaces like what was apparent on the studio models.

Also, one should be very careful when handling the rear section of the hull, as those tiny handholds on the top are very delicate and easy to dislodge or even break off. I broke one off by accident while working on opening the limber holes. I still have it, but it is proving to be a bear to reattach, so I will be replacing it with a small loop of similar-sized wire. FYI.

Actually exterior colors are kinda no brainers. Painting the interior control room will take a lot more time, and more intel.Check out this site -- it's chock-full of DVD caps of the control room and other interior sets.

http://www.robertdowdell.com/VTTBOTS/


I have so old wood grain cupboard liner I'll probably use for the wooden panelled walls inside.Wouldn't the full-size woodgrain pattern be WAY out of scale?

Ok Guys. More food for thought.

Check out the colors in this first pic, used with permission by Paul Lubliner...

It shows the original 8' Nose (far left)with two copies. That ugly brownish color is the original color...

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/5287/seaviewcolorswithpalletye9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

And a view of the actual Under side Color...

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/4252/originalnoseundersidecojo1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Cleary the underside is a "concrete Gray"

Many thanks to Paul Lubliner for the Pics!

High Regards,
BP

Looks bluish.

[IMG-LEFT]http://www.beatles.com/hub/gfx/articles/yeloSub/The%20Chief%20Blue%20Meanie.jpg[/IMG-LEFT]


Looks bluish.

Funny, you don't look bluish.

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

The episode "And Five of Us are Left" has many really good shots all in one show. You see the 8 and 4 window miniatures, a lot of the Flying sub, including the bottom hatch and some odd detail on the lower hull, the Seaview's control room, forward viewing area, crash screens, radio room, missile control panel, etc.

A couple things I noticed were the wooden paneling on the forward side walls stops short of the front of the hull, and there is a grey spacer between the wood and the front girder/window area. The vertical pillars supporting the girders are wood finish on the control room side. The Flying Sub bay back wall and girders looks nothing like the kit detail. Its totally different.

The Flying Sub bay walls look different because there is no full control room over the bay in that miniature as far as I know--the door mechanisms and floodlights designed to light the bay take up all that space. The kit is designed to fit all that stuff into the space, get the control room butted up against the windows in a way that matches the set and still leave room for the Flying Sub bay below it.

If you look at the photos too the floodlight is mounted directly BEHIND the Flying Sub bay--that still makes me think the back wall of the bay was translucent unless that light is disconnected in the photo and was originally positioned above the bay--the orange light "hot spot" looks like it's in the upper middle of the back wall with the opaque girder detail blocked by it. On the other hand the Flying Sub miniature does appear lit from above, albeit without any of the orange look of the bay walls...

Where there handrails on the 17' model? If not I'll remove them from mine. I'm looking at pictures of it and I don't see any.

The Flying Sub bay walls look different because there is no full control room over the bay in that miniature as far as I know--...
If you look at the photos too the floodlight is mounted directly BEHIND the Flying Sub bay--that still makes me think the back wall of the bay was translucent unless that light is disconnected in the photo and was originally positioned above the bay ...


In the show you cant really see the top of the bay, but the back in the episode I mentioned is clearly visible. Its not translucent IMHO. There is a lot of girder and structural detail clearly visible and its just a different design than the kit (more complex/detailed).

Thats a pretty big light in the miniature nose today... whether it is original, in its original location, etc... who knows. At some point that nose could have been on display with a lamp added.

Ok Guys.

Here are more Fun Pics, Used by permission from Paul Lubliner..

Here is a side by side comparison of the foor footer cast in fiberglass directly from the non-distorting epoxy/fiberglass molds of the restored wood master. THOSE are the correct feature and first season colors! Next, Moebius and bottom, at the exact moment the auction gavel fell at Fox in May 1971, the 17 footer. An exceptionally rare dead on side view from a distance so there's virtually no keystoning within the resultingly grainy image. Sale price: $400.00, say $6,000-7,000 today.

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/5317/comparisonsra6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Beatle - do you happen to have those photographs in high enough resolution so that you could super-impose the Moebius over the filming "miniature"? I think that would make for a really neat comparison if, for example, you scaled them so the height of the 2 were the same or the length of the 2 were the same.

Beatle - do you happen to have those photographs in high enough resolution so that you could super-impose the Moebius over the filming "miniature"? I think that would make for a really neat comparison if, for example, you scaled them so the height of the 2 were the same or the length of the 2 were the same.


I think(I could be wrong), That they are pretty much In scale to each other in that Pic.

However Let me see what I can do.I know what you mean, Kinda post the pics on Top of each other.

BP

MAN, just open my kit, i knew it was big but untill you open the box and hold the hull in your hand you just cant grasp how big it is from pictures on the web. (-:

i noticed that the parts do fit together nicly, some real thought went into eengineering this to make it an eays build.

BRAVO!!!

Paul, what was the final color you decided on? What is the color along the ballast holes?

Paul, what was the final color you decided on? What is the color along the ballast holes?



What I can tell you is this: The top color is a brownish/slightly greenish grey. This is called from what I understand, a "mired shift" color. No true hue in particular. It changes drastically with the type of light source. That was compounded by the limber hole "plates" the ballast slots on the deck sides as well as all details, hatches doors, etc., and all shading, (there was a lot more of that than a lot of people seem to realize) in a darker and slightly greener shade of grey. It really was most unnattractive. It looked as though it was basically aircraft camoflage but in darker shades. The Model Master SAC colors somewhat darkened may be closer than anything else that I can say.


.. From an E-Mail to me by Paul Lubliner...

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
BP

Beatle - do you happen to have those photographs in high enough resolution so that you could super-impose the Moebius over the filming "miniature"? I think that would make for a really neat comparison if, for example, you scaled them so the height of the 2 were the same or the length of the 2 were the same.


Here you go Sir.....
Enjoy!!!

http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/2139/moebiusphotomergedvk3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

This is a quality photo of the Moebius and 17' Seaviewmerged together.

looks like one or more may have been enlarged, or reduced non-proportionally.

Nope, i can confirm there ARE differences. I used the sail as my "centering point.. looks like he used the nose.

Thanks, Beatle. It's what I thought looking at the side-by-side images (well, top-by-bottom) but it's nice to see the overlay. Hmmm - now the question is what, if anything, to do with this information...

Thanks, Beatle. It's what I thought looking at the side-by-side images (well, top-by-bottom) but it's nice to see the overlay. Hmmm - now the question is what, if anything, to do with this information...

.... Like I said(I think), all for fun.
Personally, I like to get as much info about a Modeling subject I can. To Me it adds to the Fun in the Building process.

Which is what it's all about!:thumbsup:

looks like one or more may have been enlarged, or reduced non-proportionally.

Here are the images independent of one another.
Please feel free to do your own overlay....
The 17'2"...

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/5323/17extractedfrombackgroudt3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Moebius Sub...

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/8462/moebiushighcontrastcl1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Another Pic of my Final Exterior Paint.

The Mobius supplied Clear Window Parts are temporary. They cause the Fish Bowl Effect. I'll replace it with Clear styrene.
Now if you don't light the interior, you could use the Supplied Glass, However with all the work I will be doing on the inside, I want to see it!!

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/6889/seaviewbuild60002zt9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

how did you light the interiour?

Now that looks coooool!!!!! I wasn't going to light mine when I get it but I think I've changed my mind.

how did you light the interiour?

I had some extra LEDS that were left over from other Projects. I strung about 8-10 together.

I don't like the Bluish tint it gives, so I may do something else.:thumbsup:



Regards,
BP

Do you have the Moebius Seaview without the other sub in back?