The craftworld track was sold, But it will be running as usual! Greg sold the track, to take burden off his family. That makes more time for him, to take a bigger part in the track. He has assured he will be 100% , behind the track.
Now for the updates. The track has been redesigned to a tri-oval and shortened 14 ft. That should make for a very fast track. All the shelves are gone, making for a wide open area. We have several sponsers coming in, and it looks like they will be donating prizes for different races per week. Also have a sponser that will have money races .
Tentative race date will be the first sat. in oct. With pratice starting in sept. Will have a meeting sometime before then, to get everyones input. Want to make it clear that it's not just one persons track, It's everyone's that races there. So please , any input that will help make your local track that much more fun and better, I will take any reasonable request?
Also will have photos in the near future, of all the changes that are taking place.

where is this track?

The track is in Falconer NY. AT the old goldstar building.

can you post an address please and what classes do you run? tri oval sounds FUN!!!!

Classes are,
mini t
toruing car
stock truck
4 cell pan car
edm or east coast mod
mod truck
novice
crate late model
will post the address this weekend , when I get the number off the building.

Saw some pics of the track last night... looks awesome!

There will be an open pratice this sunday the 1st. Doors open at 10:30 am. There will be a $5 fee for running your cars. If you have any questions, Please ask. Also when I get pictures on the camera , I will post them. Glad you like Matt!

If it rains i'll be there.

Matt, had 15 people down to the track on sunday. Everyone gave it two thumbs up! Several people test drove their cars, and had no complaints. Will post again when we get crappy weather and everyone wants to get together.

Wow, good for you guys.

Just wondering, are you guys going to allow 17.5 brushless in stock classes this year? I see it's not allowed on the Hooter tour, and I'm pretty disappointed. Jamestown and the Hooter tour seem to be the only places that haven't gone brushless yet. Brushless is no longer the wave of the future, but it's the present. I think it'd be a good move to go brushless. In Rochester when they allowed 17.5 the pan car class went from maybe 8 racers a week to a full 3 heats!

Matt

Matt, Have not talked to everyone about that, so I will have to check into it. Will know more of what classes we will exactly, in the next few months.

Matt, will know more when we start having meetings this fall.

Will be having pratice and rules meeting , first saturday in sept. start time will be 6:00 pm till ?. will discuss classes and rules. So everyone please show. Will have pratices every saturday in sept. Then the season will be starting first sat in oct. doors will open at noon, racing starts at 2:00. Any questions Call me at 716-569-3647

Thanks Troy

Wow, good for you guys.

Just wondering, are you guys going to allow 17.5 brushless in stock classes this year? I see it's not allowed on the Hooter tour, and I'm pretty disappointed. Jamestown and the Hooter tour seem to be the only places that haven't gone brushless yet. Brushless is no longer the wave of the future, but it's the present. I think it'd be a good move to go brushless. In Rochester when they allowed 17.5 the pan car class went from maybe 8 racers a week to a full 3 heats!

Matt

If it is such a wave then open your on class, You should have enough cars to field it right? Let's run both classes seperate.

There SHOULD be enough for a brushless class, but I highly doubt there will be. I don't understand why brushless hasn't taken off down there... I ran 17.5 brushless last night...it's a lot better for someone like me who has ZERO brushed motor tuning knowledge as well as no comm lathe. Oh, and guess what? A brushed car still put it in the A. I'm hoping there can be a little consideration to allow a 17.5 to run. Just for weekly races...obviously the tour won't budge. I'd be up for 21.5 lipo tho too if somebody wanted to do that as a separate class. Did they ever get that going in Erie with the CoT bodies?

Matt

I don't have any problem with a brushless class. I just don't like running them together, I don't like spending the time to tune on stock motors only to have someone show up that just dragged there car back out of the closet and put it in the "A". I have been in many races where both are run together and come out on top, It still is not a accurate comparison, The main problem with the Tour is that adding another brushless class or any class for that matter, Would be too much to ask for the guys taking care of the Tour, I commend them for the work they do on the Tour, I used to be a race director at a dirt oval track in the south years ago, and I couldn't imagine taking care of the classes and traveling to all those tracks, policing the rules and basicly baby sitting some people so all involved can have a good time.I tried to introduce a 10.5 brushless truck class a couple of years ago on the carpet, It didn't happen, I will probably change also with the times and run nothing but brushless stuff, It just isn't here yet for me, and this is just an opinion of a "old school" brushed motor racer anyway, As far as the C.O.T. class I think it is still going to happen this year at Bulldog in Erie, I'm not sure about any where else, I know that Troy will run what the majority of racers want, show up at his meeting and toss your request out there. I'm sure he will consider it. P.S. Hey Troy, Garrett says to "BRING IT" L.O.L. see ya later. Kevin.

Yea, no way would I ever expect to have ANOTHER class on the tour. 3 is more than enough.

I guess the whole motor building thing is part of it; guys who know what they're doing building a motor don't want to lose their edge, etc. But then where does that leave people who don't know anything about brushed motor rebuilding? Pay someone else to do it? Run in the back of the pack and be happy with it? I guess if I really wanted to be that competitive I'd go get myself a lathe and stuff...but with brushless coming that's a big expense that I might only use for a year or so.

Anyway, hopefully somebody else will want to do brushless with me. Hassle and mainenence free operation 8) .


Matt

Well, I know I won't be able to make it to the meeting (unless the races in Lancaster rain out). So I'll just put my input here...just a few things.

1. I'd like to see a brushless pan car class. Hopefully SOMEBODY else is interested. I don't care if it's 17.5 4 cell or 21.5 lipo, just not something mod speed.

2. I think there should be only 2 classes for touring car. "stock" and "mod". Stock would be stock chassis (no LTO), 27T brushed, 6 cell NiMh. Mod would allow 17.5 brushless as well as 2 cell lipo and offset chassis.

3. Maybe try using the Alycat software to assign skill levels to drivers and sort heats that way. This could eliminate the need for having "intermediate stock" and "stock" classes. That way, if someone who is usually in intermediate has a good race day going, they'll get to race in the A with the main stock guys. Have 2 signups like always, but whoever signs up for intermediate, punch them into the computer at a lower skill rating than the ones who sign up for just plain stock.

Those are the only rules ideas/opinions I can think of right now. One other thing I think would be cool is to have a special "run what ya brung" race. Anything goes, just no pan cars allowed...I have some ideas brewing for what to run in that.

Matt

Well Guys, Here's my input, like I am sure a lot of you haven't already heard it, lol. I'm not running the tour this year, main reason being there is no brushless. Take a look around us, Rochester, Ohio, most of PA, and the rest of the northeast are pretty much all brushless now. I just don't like the idea of dumping tons of money into batteries and motors like I do every year just to run locally. All the national level events are brushless now, and the biggest classes at all the big races are brushless. I am all in for a Brushless class at Troy's, but the question is what do people want to run? 21.5, 17.5, 13.5, NIMH or LIPO? Right now the biggest 2 classes NATIONWIDE seem to be 17.5 Lipo and 21.5 Lipo. I'd be all in for 17.5, but are enough people locally going to want to switch? The big thing is people would need a new speed control, new battery (Singular), and motor. You're looking at a pretty chunk of change there. But no more brush buying, no more battery buying every 2 months to stay competitive, it pays for itself in the long run. I personally won't be racing this year unless it is brushless, I'd rather travel 3 hours to akron to run brushless (yes, even with gas prices) than to continue running brushed. Just my opinion, but I am sure Troy will do what is in the best interest of everyone.

(Matt, if you need some brushed motors built let me know, all I need is money for brushes)

For a brushless class, I'd like it to be either 17.5 4 cell or 21.5 lipo...I know I can't handle mod speeds. (17.5 lipo is like 10.5 4 cell; mod speeds). Hopefully we can get a big following for it. 21.5 lipo or 17.5 4 cell. I don't care which, but lipo would be nicer in the long run. I'm glad you're on board with it Jeff. You should be able to get guys to take the plunge. So there's 3 guys (I'm assuming Bob would do brushless too if you are). Anybody else want in?

21.5/Lipo 3200 mah limit, everything else the same as pan car rules have always been. When it's all said and done, you'll spend less. Not only less money, but less time dickin around with discharge trays, comm lathes, swapping motors.

Matt

Not sure if Dad would or not. He is still planning on running the tour this year (Building his car is on ym to do list), so not sure how that is going to work out. I definately want to go LIPO, just for the simple fact I am just tired of the constant maintenece of NIMH just to keep them performing decent. I am sure Buddy would be in for 21.5 LIPO, so maybe that's what we should plan on for now. Darryl and Will have both talked about going Brushless, Ron Mcdonald too. Not sure if anyone else has. I talked to Dave Ward today and that what he wants to do as well. I guess we'll all find out september 1st, lol.

If we can go brushless we might get the occasional visit from Rochester guys as well. They'll be without a track in 2 weeks as Lew informed us Wednesday he's closing. Last race is on the 27th.

Matt

I know that racing is changing now more than ever, Which I'm not against or any thing, Most of companies I deal with are on the west coast and they don't even sell brushed motors any more at all. I just want to see where the change will settle to on the east coast,Still up in the air. I don't want to invest in the electronics and motors to have them sit on a shelf with no where to run them, When the classes settle down and get established I'll jump in with both feet,

Kevin, are you going to be able to make the meeting in Sept? We need your input.

Bob

Yeah Bob, I plan on being there, I don't know how often I'll be racing there this year because of my work schedule. But I'd like to sit in on the meeting to see where everyone is going with the classes being introduced, see you then,
Kevin.

Kevin, Tell Garret , name the place! I will show up. LOL

Troy

Troy, He said to bring your edm to lou's He would be ready. LOL!! See ya at your rules meeting Troy, Talk to ya then.

Kevin.

Garret, should know by now, I can wreck the best of them! LOL!!!

I would like to see you run FEWER classes this year. Sitting there thru 20 heats made for too long a night for me last winter. Just come up with 4 or 5 classes and run them. People can buy/build cars according to your rules, not just show up and run some weird class with only 3 entries.
Pan Car
Touring
Trucks
EDM
18th scale
Novice

I just read a post by Butch.
Are you guys both going to run on Saturday afternoon?
Isn`t that going to split everything up?
Wouldn`t it be better to run on separate days?

I would like to run 5 minute heats instead of 4 this year too.

That's why we are having a meeting sept. 6th. One thing for sure , what ever classes we decide. That's what we are going to run. No made up classes once the seson starts. Yes we are running on saturdays.

So...
Stock Pan Car (HCOT Rules)
21.5/Lipo Pan Car (I hope!)
TC
Stadium Truck
Spec Mini LM
EDM
Novice

I REALLY REALLY want to do brushless/lipo in both classes I plan to run (TC and Pan Car) but if it's not possible I guess I won't.

Matt

Well, I know I won't be able to make it to the meeting (unless the races in Lancaster rain out). So I'll just put my input here...just a few things.

1. I'd like to see a brushless pan car class. Hopefully SOMEBODY else is interested. I don't care if it's 17.5 4 cell or 21.5 lipo, just not something mod speed.

2. I think there should be only 2 classes for touring car. "stock" and "mod". Stock would be stock chassis (no LTO), 27T brushed, 6 cell NiMh. Mod would allow 17.5 brushless as well as 2 cell lipo and offset chassis.

3. Maybe try using the Alycat software to assign skill levels to drivers and sort heats that way. This could eliminate the need for having "intermediate stock" and "stock" classes. That way, if someone who is usually in intermediate has a good race day going, they'll get to race in the A with the main stock guys. Have 2 signups like always, but whoever signs up for intermediate, punch them into the computer at a lower skill rating than the ones who sign up for just plain stock.

Those are the only rules ideas/opinions I can think of right now. One other thing I think would be cool is to have a special "run what ya brung" race. Anything goes, just no pan cars allowed...I have some ideas brewing for what to run in that.

Matt

sounds like a good plan, i like your thinking

Heads up to anyone looking to switch to brushless... Novak has RMF'd GTB's in stock again.
http://www.shopatron.com/product/part_number=S1711/135.0.7521.26354.0.0.0

Not a bad deal.

Matt

personally, I'm in for running 21.5 lipo(BRL rules) if there is enough interest. If there are only 3 or 4 cars I'm out. there is nothing more boring than running against the same 3 or 4 people for a whole season. As far as classes, sounds good to me with the addition of crate cars, but this is some thing that can be ironed out at the meeting; that's why we need a good turnout.

Bob

If it was earlier, say noon or 1:00 I could make it, but I'd need to be out of there and on the road by 4:00 or 4:30.

Matt

Everything sounds great. Can't wait to get on the track. Right now none of my cars are remotely ready, but as soon as they are i'll be up to play!

I like the idea of the Alycat system to assign a skill level. I have raced at tracks that used that and it works well. Then you can have an A,B,C main, etc. instead of intermediate. You might be able to run a few less heats a night that way.

In my opinion there were too many classes and that really made for a long night of sitting around waiting. Get rid of a couple kinds of cars, just make a couple classes for beginners and a couple for experienced guys and go for it.

I raced touring car last year and I know it had a good turnout but I think oval touring car is about the dumbest class I have ever raced.

Pan Cars, EDMs, 10th Scale Stock Trucks, and 1/18th Stock Late Models would be plenty of classes.

I am all for Lipo and I think 5 minute heats would be the way to go considering the run times for all the batteries including Sub C. I`m sure you could get way over 5 minutes out of a decent 1600 spec pack.

Hey Troy, don't forget about Mod trucks! lol My Bro is alreay talking smack about beating me in that class.

Novice
Stock Truck
Mod Truck
EDM
Touring car
4cell Pancar
21.5 Lipo Pancar
Spec Mini Latemodel
CrateLate

that looks like a pretty good lineup of classes. Right now car i have almost ready to go are: Stock Truck, Mod Truck, and EDM. But i also have my CrateLate and my 4cell car that i don't plan on running right now. Speaking of which if anyone is interested in either of them, they are for sale...

Hey Tom, I guess Garrett and I will have to throw down in the mod truck class once and awhile, If I can blow all the dust off of them LOL,

Not to sound stupid but if you're gonna call it mod truck make it "mod" as in anything goes for motors not 19 turn which is IMO just a Pro-stock truck class. The places that call a class "modified" and then set a motor limit don't really make sense to me. :rolleyes:

I'm going to try and make it up on the 6th if nothing more than to hear what everybody says and check out the track. Falconer is probably going to be my "local" track this year. :)

well the thing is we've always done it that way. A lot of place also allow LTO chassis and short shock towers in the 'Stock Truck' class, which to me is bogus. Our mod trucks are allowed those things, plus allowed to sit much lower. 19T is stupid fast as it is. Most of the Stock trucks there ran 51-52 laps, i believe both my brother and garrett both were on 58 laps paces and actually hit that many too. too much more motor would just be rediculous especially now that the track is only around 125' runline(last year was like 140')

Would anybody else rather run 5 minutes instead of 4 or am I the only one?

I wouldn't mind 5 mins but we've always done 4 minutes. I think with todays battery technology everyone can last 5 mins, especially lipos. Speaking of which, Troy you are gonna allow Lipo in all classes right, excpet for 4cell pan of course and maybe novice?

That's what the meeting is going to be for. So everyone has a say in what they want, then hash everything out. Get it all wrote down, then that's what we will do for the season.

I could run over 10 minutes on the 6 cell packs I ran last winter.

12th scale onroad has always been 8 minutes.

They have been running 5 minutes in Warren and Smethport for years.

If I am going to drive 45 minutes each way and hang out for 8 hours, I would like to race for more than a total of 12 minutes. (3 heats x 4 minutes)

megasaxon......Tom was it? Your two posts above make it sound like you're not for any change as in the "we've always done it that way". I don't want to make any trouble I'm just saying if you're going to name a class call it something more appropiate like Super Stock or Limited Modified, not modified and then limit the motors and batteries. Stupid fast with something besides 19t? Yes but give the option if people want to do it. :devil: I guess it's just kind of always been a pet peeve kind of thing with me. :) As far as not allowing the LTO trucks in stock that's kind of always been a wonder of mine too. We showed NO difference, I mean NO difference what so ever between stock chassis trucks and left side bias trucks in all the years we've run them together. As a matter of fact the Stock and Pro-stock (19t) classes both have records with stock chassis trucks. A good setup is a good setup no matter where the battery is located. :)

I'd agree with flem1959 on the moving to 5 minute thing too. I can't understand why pancar racers are all so much against this but they always have been. I was against it for a few years too (ask Tom Himes :) ) thinking the motors would be killed more frequently and everything would just basically wear out faster. With a properly geared motor we never had any problems with overheating to my great surprise (and relief).

Rick, you gotta face it. Oval racers can't focus for more than 4 minutes. lol

Bob

I'd make the trip for a 21.5 brushless class.

If your going to drag out the dinosaurs (brushed motors) you might as well spec a dinocar out too. I know where there are several Hyperdrive STX cars if anyone is interested... lol

well the thing is we've always done it that way. A lot of place also allow LTO chassis and short shock towers in the 'Stock Truck' class, which to me is bogus. Our mod trucks are allowed those things, plus allowed to sit much lower. 19T is stupid fast as it is. Most of the Stock trucks there ran 51-52 laps, i believe both my brother and garrett both were on 58 laps paces and actually hit that many too. too much more motor would just be rediculous especially now that the track is only around 125' runline(last year was like 140')

What I think is bogus is the stock truck class not allowing lto chassis and tc shock trucks, and then they run all sorts of altered parts on there "Stock trucks", buggy shock shafts, machined front caster blocks and spindles, also on T-3 trucks running zero degree chassis plates machined from stock ones,slipper eliminators, Oh but you can run sedan springs, I say make it the same as it is in the dirt oval world, If you showed up at a regional or national event with a "box stock" truck, You would probably be the only one running one, Think of it as a pan car, Stock class is refering to the motor, not the chassis, If that was the case, then every stock class would be a Spec class, there are a bunch of mods to make on a Pan car, and it's perfectly legal, which I agree on, I just think that if you make weight, wheelbase requirements, and motor, It should be legal to run, PERIOD.