I have not seen a cup car or nationwide car in nascar with indepenant rear suspension.

I think we need to have the sportsman and GN go to a solid axle no ball diff on the rear of the cars. Like the sprints!

What do you all think.

Joey

This has been a Topic for years......

in the early to Mid 90's Straight axel was the only cars available, Then I believe Mason Speed Shop (Lightning Back then)(Possibly WCM) was the 1st to come out with the Bent rear axel Car and Everyone had to convert to stay Competitive......

My opinion we should have never went in that direction, It put alot of Reputable 1/4 scale Manufacturers out of Business....

PRC and Raco come to Mind and these guys were the innovators of 1/4 scale in the 1st place....

I wish we could have at least Somehow Kept a Straight Axel class on a National Level, QSAC West ran a class called Sportsman West for a few years afterward and was a Straight Axel Class only but it died off over time not being a National Class

I think its too late to go Back now, Too many Independant Rear cars around........

The adjustabilty from track to track & the ability to maintain tire wear is a plus in my opinion. What ever adjustment you make camber wise to the RR to have optimum track contact and tire wear does not directly affect the left... will not be the same with a solid axle. Be careful what you ask for. :)

i would not mind to have soild axle rear it would elminate some himes be faster to setup i think performance and speed would be just as good we have better tires,shocks and motor preformance than way back when

might be faster to set up less hiems but the performance would not be the same. I don't care how good the tires,shocks and motors are.If you only have part of the tire on the track you only have part of the available traction. just my .02

Rules state the car must have four wheel suspension. It doesn't state anywhere that you cannot rule a straight axle. You can even run a diff. So when can we expect to see a car at LPR with a solid axle?:wave:;)

Use the QSAC suggestion form to get your opinions, ideas and rule change requests answered.

Ssshh, let him run the solid axle:devil:might be faster to set up less hiems but the performance would not be the same. I don't care how good the tires,shocks and motors are.If you only have part of the tire on the track you only have part of the available traction. just my .02

you can get any car fast soild axle or independent each one is diffrent

( So when can we expect to see a car at LPR with a solid axle?)

[QUOTE=Racenut53;2349590]I have not seen a cup car or nationwide car in nascar with indepenant rear suspension.

You are correct about the independant suspension.But they have camberd rearends.

I'd like to stay with what we have but would run what ever QSAC said to.I for one really appreciate what the way they run this show!

I wouldn't want to buy that great big long axle when it gets bent. Oh i forgot, that would never happen. LOL

:wave:I wouldn't want to buy that great big long axle when it gets bent. Oh i forgot, that would never happen. LOLhey paul something looks diffrent:thumbsup:

Got that WCM sign shining Paul.:thumbsup::wave:hey paul something looks diffrent:thumbsup:

I can't get my Pro1 and WCM side by side so I chose NONE... LOLGot that WCM sign shining Paul.:thumbsup:

Tim Mc. can ya make a custom avatar and import it.

This has been a Topic for years......

in the early to Mid 90's Straight axel was the only cars available, Then I believe Mason Speed Shop (Lightning Back then)(Possibly WCM) was the 1st to come out with the Bent rear axel Car and Everyone had to convert to stay Competitive......

My opinion we should have never went in that direction, It put alot of Reputable 1/4 scale Manufacturers out of Business....

PRC and Raco come to Mind and these guys were the innovators of 1/4 scale in the 1st place....

I wish we could have at least Somehow Kept a Straight Axel class on a National Level, QSAC West ran a class called Sportsman West for a few years afterward and was a Straight Axel Class only but it died off over time not being a National Class

I think its too late to go Back now, Too many Independant Rear cars around........
I don't think your facts are right.About the mid 90s.I think Raco was the first one to go with an independent rear mid to late 80s.Thats when problems started.Straight axle against independent rear.PRC,QD and GLC had a skellenger in it.When Skellenger stop making rears.They stopped making cars.The GLC was sold on the East Coast.It was made by Mitch or Lance.I am thinking more Mitch.There were a couple other cars made that used a skellenger.
Terry's car was to made to put everyone on an even playing field.The Raco was wining alot of races.His car before it became a Lightning. It was sold by New Era.I think it was called a Thunder Bolt.
Just an opinion.

ED

I cannot but I'm sure one of these fine folks here can. All I did was down size the one I had.Tim Mc. can ya make a custom avatar and import it.

hey now yall dont go messing with my wcm logo took me awile to get it right

i think we should change the kind of beer Will drinks!!

someone needs to go do the other manufacturers

all that sizeing and getting it to look right takes time

I don't think your facts are right.About the mid 90s.I think Raco was the first one to go with an independent rear mid to late 80s.Thats when problems started.Straight axle against independent rear.PRC,QD and GLC had a skellenger in it.When Skellenger stop making rears.They stopped making cars.The GLC was sold on the East Coast.It was made by Mitch or Lance.I am thinking more Mitch.There were a couple other cars made that used a skellenger.
Terry's car was to made to put everyone on an even playing field.The Raco was wining alot of races.His car before it became a Lightning. It was sold by New Era.I think it was called a Thunder Bolt.
Just an opinion.

ED

Raco did not make a independant rear end till Dannys 1/4 scale bought out John Rahe after the Lightnings started dominating out here.....

I worked for Skellenger at that Time when he quit making the Rearend because everyone was going Belt Drive......

<<<< how bout tat<<<<<<<<<<<<<all that sizeing and getting it to look right takes time

i am gona hang my head in shame atleast the wcm is on top

Push Button for Pro1

Hey Paul looks good!!!

Straight rear was just a thought, I just posted this to get some opinions,

Thanks Joey

Raco did not make a independant rear end till Dannys 1/4 scale bought out John Rahe after the Lightnings started dominating out here.....

I worked for Skellenger at that Time when he quit making the Rearend because everyone was going Belt Drive......

The Racos were ALL independant rear suspension cars before Raco came out with the sidewinder I believe it was called.Dannys bought the rights to the Raco belt car (the sidewinder). Racos were all run through quick change rears and all were I.R.S.

Terry Rae of masons speed shop built the first I.R.S. belt cars. The first car was a two belt design with the second drive belt centered on the rear axle. It was named the Thunderbolt. The second design was also named a Thunderbolt but only had the one drive belt as it is today. The third generation car was when the Lightning name came about.

Terry also designed cars for New Era there version of the single belt Thunderbolt was called the speedway car.

( So when can we expect to see a car at LPR with a solid axle?)

Next time a sprint car runs there. If you look at the lap times between sprints and GN you will not find a lot of difference.

And this concludes or show on Q & A OF 1/4 SCALE HISTORY with FRED THE QSAC GUY :wave:

Give us a 2 ft x 2ft sheet of lumber on our roofs and check again!!Next time a sprint car runs there. If you look at the lap times between sprints and GN you will not find a lot of difference.

In my own humble opnion IF you were to run a solid rear axle car you would need more rear stagger than you can think of to get it to work. But I do believe it could work!!!...

DD

i think stagger would be more critical on soild axle to get it good but i dont think it would be alot more to get it to work to much stagger the car will fight you on the straight not enough will fight you in the corner

The Racos were ALL independant rear suspension cars before Raco came out with the sidewinder I believe it was called.Dannys bought the rights to the Raco belt car (the sidewinder). Racos were all run through quick change rears and all were I.R.S.

Terry Rae of masons speed shop built the first I.R.S. belt cars. The first car was a two belt design with the second drive belt centered on the rear axle. It was named the Thunderbolt. The second design was also named a Thunderbolt but only had the one drive belt as it is today. The third generation car was when the Lightning name came about.

Terry also designed cars for New Era there version of the single belt Thunderbolt was called the speedway car.

I stand Corrected.......I forgot about the Raco Challenger......Danny turned the sidewinder into I.R.S.......I was refering to the sidewinder days...

This is only my opinion

Hard to get the rear toe you need on a straight axle. You can get camder gain with the four link but not toe.

Hard to get the rear toe you need on a straight axle. You can get camder gain with the four link but not toe.

If you use a 4 link you could get rear steer and then use a watts link to make the rear end travel straight up and down, that way when it goes up and down it won't go left and right!!...:wave::wave::wave:

DD

Yeap, but I run differant toe in each rear wheel. That would be tuff to do. I know what you are talking about. I ran Super Late Model cars with the four link type suspension and it is the best.:thumbsup:
No straight axle for me. I will :wave: as I go by. LOL
If you use a 4 link you could get rear steer and then use a watts link to make the rear end travel straight up and down, that way when it goes up and down it won't go left and right!!...:wave::wave::wave:

DD

Next time a sprint car runs there. If you look at the lap times between sprints and GN you will not find a lot of difference.

sprints are not as heavy. power to weight ratio. can really feel it. when i had my sprint i could tell an amazing difference in power because it was lighter. but regardless of that. they do get around the track just fine with straight axle. of course they do have a mega amount of down force being applied by the huge wing.

The Racos were ALL independant rear suspension cars before Raco came out with the sidewinder I believe it was called.Dannys bought the rights to the Raco belt car (the sidewinder). Racos were all run through quick change rears and all were I.R.S.

Terry Rae of masons speed shop built the first I.R.S. belt cars. The first car was a two belt design with the second drive belt centered on the rear axle. It was named the Thunderbolt. The second design was also named a Thunderbolt but only had the one drive belt as it is today. The third generation car was when the Lightning name came about.

Terry also designed cars for New Era there version of the single belt Thunderbolt was called the speedway car.
I agree with you Fred.The new era version hit the market in 91 or 92.I think the car had a layed downed motor.Not sure if the layed down version was in the new era or the Lightning.

Yeap, but I run differant toe in each rear wheel. That would be tuff to do. I know what you are talking about. I ran Super Late Model cars with the four link type suspension and it is the best.:thumbsup:
No straight axle for me. I will :wave: as I go by. LOL

Jeff about how much toe in do you run?You could run a straight axle with toe in.Just teasing you.

Ed

........I'm thinking!

Tonight while racing our Lakeland Speedway, The subject came up of this thread. Straight axle cars exhibit horriable tire wear, lack of adjustment compounds the problem. beside compairing them to Sprints is not a fair compairison. No let's let this sleeping dog lie, stripping gears and backing up 20 years is not what I would call progress. If we bring back the straight let's bring back cart rubber.

In the future please do not compare Sprints to GN or Sportsmen. Besides the Sprint drivers would cringe if we asked them to install fenders on their rides!
For the time let's let the Sprint guys have the straight axle or at least mine anyhow!

How About it BoBo?

Hey BoBo

Yeap, depends on how bad its bent. Toe in and out at the same time. Just have to spin the wheel real fast so you can't see it. LOLJeff about how much toe in do you run?You could run a straight axle with toe in.Just teasing you.

Ed