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Bill Hall 04-04-2008, 08:20 PM Jerry's olive Toronado is getting ever closer. I'll run the buffer over it one more time and see what shakes out. Considering what we started with she looks decent. I was out of medium compound so I subbed with Mother's mag polish...LOL...works GREAT for a pre-cut!
Win also sent some semi bods in need of rear guide hanger repair. One hammered and broken, the other just loose. The broken chunks were rebonded, allowed to cure, then reset in its original location. The loose one was knifed out and reset. For a good bond the plating had to be removed at the bond site in both cases. For added support the drop hanger was tied to the rear of the mudflap on a vertical line with a near invisible bead of goop.
They're rock solid now and the guides will snap in and out with no fear of tearing the hangers out.
More to come:wave:
Bill Hall 04-04-2008, 11:49 PM The drab Charger A pillars recieved their rough profile. The process is similar to the more detailed pillar like the Toronados where an inner and outer line is scored to establish the seam detail. Different in that the center section is carefully filed away to create the factory look. Once it sets awhile I'll blend it into the roof and pick at it a bit. The vent posts are a lot straighter than when we started.
Pic'ed for FYI is my home grown screw post profiling tool. A strip of sand paper is rolled around a short stub of brass tube and held in place with masking tape. The diameter actually exceeds the post diameter so you can take material off the side(s) that need it. When chucked into the cordless drill at low speed this gizmo makes short work of correctly profiling a repaired post.
The old truck came out of the pinesol jar with some nifty patina. Scrounged some old truck rims out of the vibe junk box and built a good stocker chassis for it. Also stowed away were some ancient HR spongees with a good snug ID. Trued them up for some old school trucking fun.
The 'lil red cobra was a salvaged body from the shoe box of "what a shame!"
Underneath forty years of crud and corruption lurked a classic snake. I buffed the bejeebus out of it with Mothers, brush touched the upholstery with some black lacquer thinned way out for good flow, added a repop glass, and a turquoise torso from the shrunken head and human body part box. Didnt have a bowl cut dude so we'll go headless horseman 'til one rolls in. Runs a 6 ohm motor set up and scoots well.
Bill Hall 04-05-2008, 02:54 AM Just seemed like the logical choice. The AFX panel doesnt have the same space constraints around where the rear screw post will go. Might be able to go a hair lower in the rear this time. The over all limiting factor is the front cowl area as the gearplate moves up. Max was bottomed out up front and limited by the rear screw post height. Should be able to get a more level roofline with the panel. An identical build to the Black Max, more or less. I'm considering moving the front drop axle ahead of the rad/grill for a twist this time. Other than some light cutty on the glass for some chassis shove room and forming the front axle I'm still pushing this one around.
bobhch 04-05-2008, 02:56 AM Bill,
Nice work on those car bods and love those skull head guys. They must be gaurding your goop supply...har
Boob...zilla
Bill Hall 04-05-2008, 03:27 AM Bought one of these heaps way back when....thought I saw some potential for mischeif....but it always seemed to wander from one end of the bench to the other.
Finally had the new Model Murdering goons stick a knife in this hog. Fer right er wrong lower is better around here. Bob found me this crew. Although they hail from corn fed Nebraska they're a little on the scrawny side...I told them they could fry up eat what ever fat they cut from this hog. FNG's are dumb.:thumbsup:
Bob musta' had these poor fellows painting in his slotcar sweatshop nite and day. I gave them sharp swords and free reign to have their way.:p
Hungry buggers got right to it. With a few quick slices the glass was out and the rag lid was dispatched. Being that they are living dead, they seem to have a good feel for what's just above grade and slashed away the factory mounts.
Not bad for a bunch of ex-painters. They might be able to squeeze it a bit lower. She's got a pretty tall belt line which is not her most attractive attribute...but for once I can see enough room for more than a rudimentary interior. Wunder how the new Model Murdering goons are with upholstery?
Thanx to Randy and the Hill Top gang for getting me off the schneide on this one.
bobhch 04-05-2008, 07:04 PM Bill,
Nice to see the guys again. :rolleyes: Hey just throw them a piece of scrap cheese now and then...they don't eat much. Don't forget to put the shackles on them at night or they will jump in that project Vertable of yours while you are asleep and Joyride the Heck outta it.
Vrooooooooooooooom, vroooooooooooooooom....Screeeeeatch. Burn rubber not your soul.
Bob...bone head slave trader...zilla
1scalevolvo 04-05-2008, 09:27 PM Bought one of these heaps way back when....thought I saw some potential for mischeif....but it always seemed to wander from one end of the bench to the other.
Finally had the new Model Murdering goons stick a knife in this hog. Fer right er wrong lower is better around here. Bob found me this crew. Although they hail from corn fed Nebraska they're a little on the scrawny side...I told them they could fry up eat what ever fat they cut from this hog. FNG's are dumb.:thumbsup:
Bob musta' had these poor fellows painting in his slotcar sweatshop nite and day. I gave them sharp swords and free reign to have their way.:p
Hungry buggers got right to it. With a few quick slices the glass was out and the rag lid was dispatched. Being that they are living dead, they seem to have a good feel for what's just above grade and slashed away the factory mounts.
Not bad for a bunch of ex-painters. They might be able to squeeze it a bit lower. She's got a pretty tall belt line which is not her most attractive attribute...but for once I can see enough room for more than a rudimentary interior. Wunder how the new Model Murdering goons are with upholstery?
Thanx to Randy and the Hill Top gang for getting me off the schneide on this one.
Verry interesting ! If Quentin Tarantino or Rob Zombie ever perused this website they could get some great movie Ideas !
Neal :dude:
WesJY 04-05-2008, 09:42 PM dang bill!!! beautiful job man!!! :thumbsup:
Wes
joez870 04-06-2008, 11:29 AM I see you have been quite busy yourself, Bill! You get all these projects done and you are not retired? Man....you must have some excellent time management skills! I have been kept so entertained over your projects! The BTTF car will look as cool as Randys, I am sure. And it will be fun to put a pic of all 3 next to each other to look at. :thumbsup:
I am very excited about the green panel, too! I don't think I have ever seen one with the full-on street roddization that you are planning. Keep up with the great work and entertaining pics! :D
SplitPoster 04-06-2008, 12:59 PM That's is one impressive crew, bet they leave no bone unturned. Pretty good natured - looks like they have taken quite a ribbing around the shop. Handy with a socket set too, I'll bet. But they are obviously highly skilled at skull-pting new lines on your fine custom work. Just have to let them know that the driver's head works best attached to his body, even though it makes a great hood ornament. They look a little puny though, hope they're not sickly. Wouldn't want one of those guys to laspe into a coffin fit in the middle of some fancy bladework.
bobhch 04-06-2008, 04:52 PM Jeff those skull guys realy caught you imagin-a-tion man. I love adding a little fun to the works also. :) As "Eye" was reading your humorous post the laughter just excaped from inside and a ha,ha,ha came out.
If you need some wierd & wacked out ho shop help just look at your nearest Comic book store and you should find plenty as long as there are gammers in this world we slotters shall have lil' shop helpers. LOL
Bob...zilla
Bill Hall 04-06-2008, 11:54 PM Thanx guys! It was one of those weeks where it didnt look like I was getting much done; but in the end I wrapped a few things up and got on to some things I've been wanting to do.
Neal: The whole living dead theme seems to fit most of my collection. Cant afford to match dollars with the collector nuts so most of what comes my way are little more than cadavers.
Joe: The supposed time management skills you speak of consist of snatching minutes here and there when I cant grab modeling time in chunks. I've got enough projects available to pick them up and put them down as time or supplies permit. It's a steady rotation of things. Those nearing completion, just getting started, or totally stalled...LOL! This way I can pick the task that suits my mood or alotted scrap of time.
Split: Bob's goon squad was originally slated to be decapitated for driver heads, but I didnt have the heart to guillotine them. I'm finally seeing a layout motiff where the Zombie overlords rule over the 'lil peoples.
sethndaddy 04-07-2008, 09:46 AM we have a few............hundred:freak: please note: the picture of Seth is only showing about 1/5th his actual monster army. you can ebay search these guys under the name horrorclix.
bobhch 04-07-2008, 11:45 PM we have a few............hundred:freak: please note: the picture of Seth is only showing about 1/5th his actual monster army. you can ebay search these guys under the name horrorclix.
You are one cool daddy Ed! Thanks for posting up these pics as Seth looks like he has the perfect hobby for a boy his age....Zombies!
Those Wizard of OZ characters are just Sweet looking and Far Out man! That castle would have been great to have back when we were all kids. Heck some of us slot car Adults would like to have one of these castles, with Monsters, for a mid-life-crisis toy right now (*me holding up my hand*).
Seth is one Lucky kid and Bill Hall is also...har
Bill said, "I'm finally seeing a layout motiff where the Zombie overlords rule over the 'lil peoples."
Ed thanks a bunch for the Monster exchange this past month. I feel the need to hit the Comic Book store again soon. :)
Bob...lil' Monsters Rock Man...zilla
win43 04-09-2008, 11:21 PM Bill,
Great work like always. THANKS for the repairs to my stuff. By the way, LOVE that Model Murdering trailer in the background.
bobhch 04-11-2008, 08:03 PM Bill,
Great work like always. THANKS for the repairs to my stuff. By the way, LOVE that Model Murdering trailer in the background.
Yeah I agree with win...that trailer Rocks man.
Bill,
Did you recieve the lil' helper I sent yah yet?
Bob...cut off their heads...zilla
Bill Hall 04-12-2008, 03:28 PM Had my nose to the grindstone elsewhere of late, but here's one I've been fiddling with on and off for a while. I never really have an exact plan in mind, I find it's best to start with a simple concept and let the project take its own course.
This ole clunker was a dog chewed, chainsawed, candy green (near as I can tell) cadaver with eight extra layers of "schlock on enamal". I found it in the abyss of one of my pinesol jugs where it had been submerged for several MONTHS...long forgotten.
In pic 1 I'm starting to clean the well radii up. I like to start repairs with a clean arc so I just round them out no matter where they end up. In this case over on into the doors. LOL and "Oh crappola!"
The rear fender flare grafts are 63 vette doors from another toasty ole green vette in waaaay worse shape than this one. Vette doors are pretty thick and allow enough workable material to profile a proper flare without stacking multiple layers. The tail fill panel is the front valence/headlamp section from the donor filed to fit in the rear bumper pocket. Front flares are Mako front fenders that were close enough to fake it.
All grafts are roughed out with the file and eyeball fit. I tack them on and walk away for a few minutes...then come back and lightly fill only the seams. I used gravity, body nose down, to help keep goop from running over into the cove detail behind the front fender. After the void filler has flashed off I hogged some serious mud down to bring up the contours beyond where they will actually be. This way I can cut them back down with a minimum lowspots that would have to be chased later.
I set the glob vette on a a sunny window sill to cure for two days and then blasted it with 220 dry to start rounding things down, keeping the remaining side body lines in mind. Started some detail sanding in 320 wet to smooth things out and begin feathering the grafts into the body. After 320 the grafts were reglazed to bring it to the state you see in the later picures. During the next stages I'll be bouncing back and forth from 320 and 600 between skims until everything lays down nice and smooth.
Not quite sure about the front filler panel yet. Similar to the rear but with a some sort of chinspoiler/air-dam affair. Kinda walked away the other day. Just poked my finger in it this morning to see if it was dry and snapped a few pics.
Hilltop Raceway 04-12-2008, 04:59 PM Looking gooooood there Bill...I can fix anything ...Hall !!! The boys at the shop are eating this stuff up!!! Big flares, just what the doctor ordered. RM
coach61 04-12-2008, 05:00 PM Nice Save Bill.. your truely a master....watch it or Bob will have ya doing hooter jobs lol
Coach!
joez870 04-12-2008, 05:01 PM Dang that is gonna be so cool, Bill! Man....and in GREEN, TOO!
It looks to be really shaping up! :thumbsup:
Bill Hall 04-12-2008, 11:25 PM snip....Big flares, just what the doctor ordered. RM
Yessiree! I studied a coupla my stocker 63's and other peoples later grandsport cars and came to the same conclusion. This is not to say that it coundnt have been done by narrowing up the wheels, tubbing the chassis rails, fudging the factory wells and tire grinding...but the handling always suffers as you narrow the width. I wanted to run full width rims and tires and of course squarsh the ride height down from the factory "fat chick on a bike look". Hoping she'll be a 36-24-36 when all is said and done and still be able to pound into the corners.
Short of doing the stickey outie AW tire thing (for which I would have to be killed) this was the only way to have my cake and eat it to. Although it took some time, this one is starting to grow on me some and I can see the light.
Thanx for the praise and many kind words.
SplitPoster 04-13-2008, 01:09 AM Those flares, my friend , are a work of art. Just like 1:1 road racing, you really don't want to narrow the track, do you? Looks like some GT 1 cars I might have seen 25 years ago..... that green with a deep shine on it will be killer......
bobhch 04-13-2008, 07:55 AM Nice Save Bill.. your truely a master....watch it or Bob will have ya doing hooter jobs lol
Coach!
Hey Coach,
Did somebody say H:):)TERS? lol T&A Racing Team...yeah!
Hey that green Vette from the Pine sol jar is lookin' good man. Another fun build by Bill.
Love to read and see pics of how your stuff gets changed from Scrap to Show Car status. Thanks for posting all yer projects up for us man.
Bob...zilla
Hilltop Raceway 04-13-2008, 01:48 PM Bill, I need an estimate on rebuilding this one. This one is from my early, early years, what the heck was I thinking. I wanted a Hot Rod!!! I cut the hood out for a set of the Chapparral fuel injected stacks, cut a little of the body weight away too. Actually I've decided to keep it as a reminder of what not to do!!! Just thought I would share my regrets with you guys, I guess we all make mistakes...RM
http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc196/kwikdeals/DSC03085.jpg
WesJY 04-13-2008, 10:28 PM Bill, I need an estimate on rebuilding this one. This one is from my early, early years, what the heck was I thinking. I wanted a Hot Rod!!! I cut the hood out for a set of the Chapparral fuel injected stacks, cut a little of the body weight away too. Actually I've decided to keep it as a reminder of what not to do!!! Just thought I would share my regrets with you guys, I guess we all make mistakes...RM
http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc196/kwikdeals/DSC03085.jpg
ouch!! :)
Wes
roadrner 04-15-2008, 07:26 PM I am still amazed at anything you touch Bill. You can't tell it's ever been broke. :freak:
:thumbsup::thumbsup: Dave
T-Jet Racer 04-15-2008, 07:46 PM Bill, I need an estimate on rebuilding this one. This one is from my early, early years, what the heck was I thinking. I wanted a Hot Rod!!!
It looks more like Hey Bill here is one for the goo vat!
BKracer 04-16-2008, 12:28 AM nice trailers ya moiderah!!!!
Bill Hall 04-16-2008, 01:05 AM nice trailers ya moiderah!!!!
These awesome trailers are the work of none other than our very own crazed painter Bobzilla.
Dark Hawk was created for our fellow member Wes. Bob shared this design with me in it's infancy so I strong armed him into creating a Model murdering version...more like I wheedled and whined like a school girl and Bob took pity on me. I just babbled an off the cuff concept and Bob did the rest....Presto...instant cool!
Bob began doing trailers some time back and I was lucky enough to get in on it. Seems like Dragula posted a semi can with his Dragjet logo on it and not long thereafter Bob went nuts and created a bunch of great cans...anybody remember the Pepto Bismol rig?...the original Bobzilla Hooters can? My how time flies.:rolleyes:
Bob has a knack with computer doodling and artwork in general...take a look at his body of work sometime...it's just staggering!:freak:
Thanx again and again Bob. :woohoo:
Randy: Got parts? Tan cars cost extra ya know! I estimate that this one is totalled and wont be completed until thursday...
of 2009.
Kinda backlogged (see pile "A" below), so ya better send it last year. Just make sure it's labled...dont want it getting anywhere near pile "B"...as T-jet stated, the goo vats are never far from hand. A great place to dispose the evidence of my D'Ohs!...or anything else I dont wanna deal with. ;)
joez870 04-16-2008, 07:56 AM That a green HR coupe I see copulating with a red roadster right in front of the goddess and everyone, Bill? Oh baby! Gotta get me one of those! :D
Nice piles of nostalgia, Bill! You certainly weren't kidding when you
mentioned the volume of work ahead! Holy Hannah!
Hilltop Raceway 04-16-2008, 10:49 AM Thanks Bill, I kinda thought is was totaled myself. Anyways it's a childhood memory that I'll hang on to. It's actually grey in color. Maybe a little wax will fix her up. Looks like you've got enough work to keep you busy for many years to come!!! RM
Bill Hall 04-16-2008, 01:54 PM Send it if you'd like Randy. I'll give it a shot.
If that falcon of yours is REALLY GRAY, then its an "unobtainium" color and definatly worth some fixing. Problem is that the areas in need of repair would require a resculpt from scratch...suitable grafts would not be available for transplant. Thankfully you stopped just shy of the cowl vent during your Hillborn phase. Whew!
T-jet light grey is readily made from the old t-jet wheel trollers, gobs of it! The beauty here is that the 60's fords are slab sided with simple straight body lines so the actual grafting is straight forward dry wall work.
If it's tan, I've got several shades available that will blend.
bobhch 04-20-2008, 02:51 AM Bill,
That sounds like a bunch of Goop-lah. Some people dream in color Bill but, I bet you dream in color plastic piles...har *need m:)re b:cool:dies*
Bob...zilla
Bill Hall 04-20-2008, 10:02 PM Bill,
That sounds like a bunch of Goop-lah. Some people dream in color Bill but, I bet you dream in color plastic piles...har *need m:)re b:cool:dies*
Bob...zilla
Only a couple left to stock Bob! T-jet purple, Vibe dark grey, T-jet poo brown....and I can always use more T-jet standard blue.
Got a little more serious with the panel rod this week. The chassis rear tail section had to be nipped flush and a hanger/cleat assem was installed in the body to secure the rear. The front will be pinned using the radius rods per usual. If this cleat assembly proves durable enough; future retrofits into the coupe versions may allow an even lower ride height for coupe bodies.
Clipped the nose off the panel and re-arranged the forward rocker in the same fashion as the black Max...only this time I didnt cut it too short!;) I opted out of the floating pick ups and left the forward chassis pan and shoe hangers...for now. So far there's still room to play with. Had to fudge on the pick ups with a little notchy for clearance with no ill effects. Hogged out the back windows while I had a fresh blade. Those blanked winders alway bugged me anyway.
Now that the rough cuts are over the remainder of this build is regular brass rod 101 = Fab up some radius rods and pin the front of the body...build some sort of firewall and fidget with the dummy motor. The dummy sits a little high for my liking but is limited by the "long drop" of the dash pipes...they're almost in the dirt as it is.:freak:
Chassis is pretty well stock. Just smoothed her out and added some tuff ones magnets for a little better snap. Taped the front axle in place and ran lots of laps. Loads of fun as she sits...plenty of slip and slide with good recovery manners.
Bill Hall 04-20-2008, 11:16 PM The "Green'd Sport" finally got a schnozolla. Thanx to Nuther Dave who sent me a pile of nostalgic vette pics. :thumbsup:
I dumped out my bag of green clunker bods and went searching for the correct chunk. Close as I could come to profile was a Charger door. First off the "Vette's stock bumper bracket was whittled away to allow some clearance at the front post and some fiddle room to get a grill in later.
The charger door was filed up to fit the gaposis. It is installed inside out and upside down so that the door sill becomes a chin spoiler and the concave profile is outward. Pics reflect the first pass of goop after bonding.
Little by little the flares are coming along. She now sits on her chassis and the well radii are close enough to run some laps. Gotta set it aside for while and let her cure before I put the boots to her and do some agressive blocking.
Guts are a sweetheart t-jet arm that came in a pile I got from Dragula sometime back. Tuff ones mags, notched wizzard brushes, and a buffed gearset round it out. Chassis is a rear drop and the front axle is moved up and ahead to the truck hole which was planned from the git go when the flares were hung. This, along with a shaved front screw and countersunk guide pin allows the use of BSRT short step shoes. A real joy to drive, she hangs the slot good as most of the gross tonnage I added is below or near the axle centers. :p
Thanx fer lookin' :wave:
WesJY 04-21-2008, 12:19 AM awesome job on vette and hot rod coupe!!! :thumbsup:
Wes
tjd241 04-21-2008, 08:00 AM I know somebody who'll just be "green" with envy over these 2 beauties :rolleyes:..... nd
Hilltop Raceway 04-21-2008, 10:30 AM Ya' killing me Bill. Have you thought about your on TV show, SCTV (slot car televison)??? A late night show with customs, how-to's, etc. Again, great work!!! Makes we want a try to cut and paint something. Thanks again!!! RM
RacerDave 04-21-2008, 11:11 AM Wow! Great job Bill. You are the modeling magician. Dave.
videojimmy 04-21-2008, 01:06 PM once again.... BILL'S Da MAN!
T-Jet Racer 04-21-2008, 01:30 PM For Sale... Say Yes!!! It looks great Bill!
joez870 04-21-2008, 09:12 PM Sweet, Bill!
Both of those beasties are coming right along! :thumbsup: Hot dang! :thumbsup:
bobhch 04-22-2008, 03:21 AM Ya' killing me Bill. Have you thought about your on TV show, SCTV (slot car televison)??? A late night show with customs, how-to's, etc. Again, great work!!! Makes we want a try to cut and paint something. Thanks again!!! RM
Yeah Randy we gots us a Bill Hall Computer generated Custom Slot Car how to Magazine right here on HobbyTalk!!!!! Far out Old School old fart stuff. :woohoo:
Nice green L:):)kers man....way Kool rear chassis mount thingy on that Coupe!
Bob...zilla
41-willys 04-22-2008, 09:31 AM I really love the coupe. The engine is not that far off for looking right with a lowered body.
gear buster 04-22-2008, 11:09 AM Bill you are making me ruin my keyboards.
Everytime I look at this thread I drool all over the darn thing and it smokes.:p
Really cool builds. Love the Vette. Low slung and a stingray.:thumbsup:
The sedan is a super cool Rat attack.:woohoo:
Keep'um comin..I have more keyboards..:rolleyes:
Bill Hall 04-22-2008, 02:30 PM Thanx all...per usual yer all very kind.
But... slot car television? LOL!... dunno if you could handle me in my Snoopy PJ's, munchin' Capin' Crunch, with cartoon network blaring in the background.
I've always loved the ducktail vettes and had it on my mind for some time to twist the splitty into something a little more appealing. The tudor rat is just a natural progression from the coupe. I like to have sets or pairs to run around together anyway.
The finished rat will include a secret twist when complete....shhhhhh.;)
joez870 04-22-2008, 07:01 PM :snip:
The finished rat will include a secret twist when complete....shhhhhh.;)
It comes with a matching case pre addressed to joez870? :lol:
bobhch 04-23-2008, 01:59 AM It comes with a matching case pre addressed to joez870? :lol:
Bill,
How comes Joez gets a case of Captain Crunch and the rest of us don't? It's all about Joez HUH? LOL
Crunch, crunch, crunch.....Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Lucky Joez!! Man I got Super Man PJ's and no crunch...whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah:cry:
Bob...Crunch lover too...zilla
T-Jet Racer 04-23-2008, 04:32 PM Hey Bill, What did you use for the front I beam on the panel rod? Do they sell square brass stock like that or did you fab it?
Bill Hall 04-23-2008, 09:21 PM Yes T-jet right off the rack at the hobby store. I buy a few sticks of this and that and play around with it 'til something makes sense.
To help make tight bends I anneal any of the hollow stock before starting. I just tease it for a while with the dirty part of a lighter flame and let it cool naturally. Seems to help with kinking or breakage when I start bending. I make sure that the slightly depressed, grooved sides of the square tube are vertical...facing front and back...this gives the illusion of "I" beam. Obviously you work from the center of the beam and start the up bends..then the ensuing down bend to execute the spindle area. The spindle should be parrallel to the center beam. I usually just leave the spindle area long and trim the ends to size/total width when I have it all straight and parrallel.
I fudged a few up along the way, and have used both the round and square tube, but find the square much easier to work with when it comes time to starting the pin drills for holes. So far there have been half a dozen or so variations but I guess I've sort of settled on a design that is easiest for me to duplicate and above all mounts securely to the chassis. This is critical when ya get to track tuning and need to make gentle adjustments for alignment and tracking. You want them to stay put. They look delicate in the pictures but are suprisingly tough when ya get them mounted.
Really helps to have a pile of gator clips to use as heat sinks when you begin soldering...otherwise you'll desolder any previous work as you progress through the different steps.
Good luck!
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