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tjd241
06-27-2008, 04:02 PM
Papa Burger wrappers. :thumbsup: nd

BTW: Ever try their new Steakhouse?... Looks like a keeper.

Bill Hall
06-29-2008, 12:10 AM
Not as of yet Nuther. Been on the crispy chicken kick for some time. Didnt even notice anything new on the menu.

WesJY
06-29-2008, 02:37 PM
bill - nice old hot rod !! :thumbsup:

Wes

Bill Hall
07-01-2008, 12:58 PM
Thanx Wes! Wish I could find more time. I've always thought a candy green over gold for that particular car. Maybe a yellow tint modified windscreen and a simple flame stretch down the side.

Huge back to back 1:1 car shows this weekend so progress was marginal at best. Slate vettes recieved a little more attention. The little nibblet in pic 1 is actually a chunk out of the rear of the donor body. Note that with the bumper fit there is still a large gaposis on the top. Naturally the nibblet was left tall and handfiled to fit correctly. The melanoma back a ways near the fender crown and on the door are sloppy super glue burns from the ill fated roof graft attempted in it's previous life. These may or may not block off so some skimmage may be required. More often than not these are just annoyances that get repaired prior to 1200 wet sanding, but they do take time!

Pic 2: After bonding you can see that things arent always exactly the same front to rear. In this case the rear fender chunk is a hair fatter in thickness so there's some descrepency to be delt with. As a general rule the discrepancies are always pushed to the outside edge where you can wetsand and recontour easily. By keeping the irregularities outside it can save hours of work were one would have to nit pick, dig, and fidget sand the inside contours to get a "fool Bob Beers" finish. With a good fit on the backside any seams or tells can be floated off with just a light skim or two.

Pic 3 is slate vette number two. The butched screw posts were lengthened; again with donor bits. What you see here is the second pass with my profiling tool in 600 and a rewetting with straight testors. This helps to begin the color blend of the old and the new. A pass with the 1200 grit profiling tool and another light skim or two will provide the smooth factory finish we like. I'll mic an unmolested vette and trim to fit. The hardest, but most important part of screw post repairs is getting the post face flat and polished with a good sharp edge. A good hole center is nice but a cross section of Aurora bodies reveals that they were not always deadnuts center with their screw holes either. Regardless I still try to move them to center when profiling just cuz I'm picky. ;)

Bill Hall
07-01-2008, 01:37 PM
A while back Greg needed a jug of drab olive repair plastic so some more of the old bell phone was cooked up.

Overly generous by nature he knew I liked cabbage grinders and sent me a completely detailed bitchin Alfaslot early 911 targa in red. Groovy add ons include the period correct stock chrome "stahls" (steels) from Vincent. Foiled bumpers and Targa band (rollbar for you westerners). A fixed backglass that really surprised me with its fit and a scale version of the factory Porsche sport exhaust of the period. A 1:1 of which you'll see in the in the last picture.

Coincidentally I'm working on the real McCoy.

gear buster
07-01-2008, 07:54 PM
UUmmm Bill.. I don't think it will ride on the headlight to good..:p

Looks cool.. Nice to have a replica of the real thing..:thumbsup:


PS.. I think the muffler is a little low on the porsche. First speed bump and shes gone...LOL:p

bobhch
07-02-2008, 12:37 AM
Nice Porsche....ES...bILLZ

bOBZ

Hilltop Raceway
07-02-2008, 12:47 AM
GB, Looks like you may be a little late for that speed bump warning, lol. I'm sure Bill can grind up some metal goop and fix her up. I'd like to have either red car myself...just my thoughts...RM

Bill Hall
07-03-2008, 11:31 AM
Yeah Buster the muffie is right where I plopped it before the 68 Camaro rolled in last year. Ya know how it goes! Found this project under a pile of cardboard, blankets/pads, and leftover carp from the 'Maro. Rest of the motor is cleaned, repainted, and on shelves in pieces, hence the butt up stance.

67 was the first year of the targa, it should have vinyl fold down rear window. It has been retrofitted with a later fixed back glass that began in 68 and I'm ok with it. The raggy's were a pain in the arse and I dont have all the rare little bits to make it function anyway. There's a reason Stuttgart dumped that plan in the first year LOL!

Currently having major rust repairs. Being a pre galvi car I went looking for trouble and naturally found it. Front belly pan has been replaced and the interior has been refurbed. Center pans are on the slate for this summer. Engine compartment will be done in the fall. Motor was pretty strong but had some excessive leakdown on the five hole. Turned out to be a head gasket just starting to fail. I'm a valve gind and a clutch pack away from assembling the motor and mating it to the transaxle.

Nuthin fancy here. Just a down and dirty put 'er back together and fetch groceries with it. Given the severe melanoma it's best to proceed with the structural before hanging the powerplant thus avoiding any temptation to drive it. Ya gotta know thyself. For now I'm gonna putt my Giper jet replica around and enjoy the great mileage!

Bill Hall
07-07-2008, 10:37 PM
Here's some punishment for y'all, given that the board is pretty quiet of late I'll fill up some space with some step by step bore ya to tears restoration work.

So the roof graft is movin' along like any other drywall job. Cut a patch and goop it in. Been a few days now and things are set up to the point that it can be rough cut with a hand file. Liner tape is used to protect the upper door/roof seam and to help re-define the damged roof "spine". After the first skim had set a while I took a blob of liquid plastic and let it flash for a few seconds and stretched it across the roof like a strand of sticky caremel. This step provided the raw material that allowed me to cut a new spine in with the file.

Tape is stretched down the middle of the spine and I file right up tight to the edge without cutting over. Then the tape is moved to the other side and the process is repeated until a nice sharp ridge is formed.

It's always best not to overdo your file work so by pic 2 I've already moved to 320 to begin straightening things out. The evil superglue damage was also spot sanded in 320 and later chased in 600. If ya look close you'll see that my sanding pattern is angular at 45 degrees like a chevron. This is repeated in 600 but the pattern is perpendicular to the previous 320 pattern so that ALL sanding scratches are removed. The third pic shows a pre-buff pass of 1200 that runs north to south. By staying in that direction every scratch and spot will be highlighted so there are no excuses!

After a hard scrub with comet and a blow dry the coarse compound comes out and I lean on it pretty hard. Pic 4 shows what it looks like after hard cutting. Not half bad but there is a tonal shift on the right side of the roof and a microscopic pinhole opened up along the graft seam. This occurred because I sanded it pretty hard in the 320 stage and cut below the top coat and into the parent material...in other words I got under the blend. This is always hard to see until you hit it with the buffer.

So the pinhole was filled and the entire roof was refloated with some more slate blue. Really no big deal. Once your in 1200 the plastic lays down very smoothly and it can be refinished easily in 1200 without dropping a grade in grit.

Pic 5 is the other slate Vette. The post repairs are near complete. Shown here with a last little float of material right on the end. Again this is to add the necessary material so that it can be profiled into a nice sharp factory edge along it's perimeter. Rear fender grafts made from front fenders required some mods as the front opening is a hair longer then the rear. they are curing and will need some careful prefit work. Maybe next week.

Bill Hall
07-07-2008, 11:12 PM
Now a days I got at least a dozen er so repairs/restos going at any one time so it's always hard to pick any paticular ones to share. Other than the slate vettes it's mostly screwpost boredom this week.

I generally pick the gruesomely butchered ones or the money ball cars. This standard blue XKE by way of splitposter qualifies in both venues again this week.

The front and rear valence repairs have cured enough to begin some contour work. Oddly the rears had been planed flat so that no bumper notch remained. Extra material was confiscated from the donor Dino.

While I had the file out I killed those hideous mold lines that all Aurora XKE's are born with. Now that I have enough material up front to match to I can finger some "stra-jiddy" about what to graft into the cut front wells and where to steal it from. Ideally one would use other XKE or spit window Vette donors but standard blue donors dont grow on trees. Lookin' like Dino doors will have to do as the outward profile has a curvature similar to the XKE and the inner arch will be sculpted free hand.

CJ53
07-07-2008, 11:14 PM
outstanding bill.....hope the Riv comes out as well once I get it and send it to you..
Chris

WesJY
07-07-2008, 11:17 PM
dang!! awesome job! :thumbsup:

Wes

coach61
07-08-2008, 12:14 AM
Again wow.. your a master Bill...

SplitPoster
07-08-2008, 12:17 AM
Awestruck I am as well, on all counts....

joez870
07-08-2008, 05:43 AM
Beautiful, Bill!

It is always so fun for me to see your projects.

It isn't just the mechanics of the skills that make me all twitterpated when I look at these pics, Bill. It is the insight of how you go about it. The repairs, panel swaps and customs always seem to come out better than you are describing! You say " I slip tab 'A' into slot'B'" but what really gets me is how you KNEW to do that or who told you what part of the donor was tab 'A'! I think the real gift is the fact that you can look at these donor bodies and see them as their usable component parts. I am always amazed!

Thank you for sharing! :thumbsup:

tjd241
07-08-2008, 06:37 AM
Really amazing Bill... and DANG.... I hate those mold lines on the Jag too! Good riddance to 'em! nd

Hilltop Raceway
07-08-2008, 09:43 AM
My thoughts are the same as the rest, Fantastic!!! It's hard enough just to paint these small creatures, much less the cutting, grinding, glueing, sanding, rubbing, polishing on the plastic, and then to get the body lines, door lines, roof lines all matching, to look as new. Incredible work!!! When does the next correspondence body building shop class begin??? I need to go back to school...RM

win43
07-08-2008, 11:59 AM
Looking good Bill. Was never much of a fan of the XKE, but that is looking sweet.

Bill Hall
07-08-2008, 02:06 PM
Really amazing Bill... and DANG.... I hate those mold lines on the Jag too! Good riddance to 'em! nd

Nuther: Dunno about you but if I was an HO sized dude who was working on an Aurora XKE... that's where I'd set my beer.

Joe: Some poindexter once told me I had lots of "spacial" ability and I guess thats 'sposed to have sumpthin to do with tab A and slot B. Truthfully a tiny one watt bulb was illuminated over my head after reading Mike Vitale's resto book. Where in he comments that in all but a very few cases the shape or contour one is looking for already exists because the factory already made it.
So the essence of the program is really just a scavenger hunt...not unlike a 1:1 trip through the junkyard on saturday. ;)

Randy: The correspondence course is right here every week I guess.:freak: One of my favorite Steve Martin quotes is "get small". The hassle is trying to shrink what we already know into a useable HO scale format. Say for example a burnt out saw blade in land of the giants becomes a long board for HO land. A chunk of gummy eraser becomes a contour block...oh and I do have a coupla magic tricks for body lines and seam work...but I'll have to kill ya if I were to reveal how easy it is. ;)

Guys, y'all are very kind with such high praise, there's no real magic here...the real secret to Model Murdering is "knowing when to walk away", a quote from a very famous painter ....Bobzilla!

bobhch
07-08-2008, 05:57 PM
Bill,

Fantastic plastic! What everyone else said, "DITO"! :woohoo:

I am secretly camouflaged and crawling away right now...Ssssssssssssssssh

You would think that Bob...zilla would have tons of custom slot cars that he built right? Someday....someday... Get realy cool bodies and stuff in trade for paint jobs & really like the slot cars that others have made for me ALOT. Thank you! (you know who you are)

Am under the tile floor and the carpet tacks are a killer man *OUCH*. LOL You can't see me because I'm invisible now.

When the smoke clears it will be Bob building for himself time because, I said so.

Bob...You been here four hour...you go now...zilla

Bill Hall
07-16-2008, 09:07 PM
Spent most of the week on tasks and chores around the house as the weather has been great.....fer work that is.

Shown below is a recent find on the beach that just washed ashore. Spruced it up today to get back in the slot. Rear wells had been ruffled lightly and cleaned up quickly with a light skim and quick polish. Rear wheels off of a semi trailer. Left the original gasser stance so I could cram some Dash pipes for effect.

Also shown is a smooshed XK140. This ole Jag was on the wrong end of a boot stomp and some grindage. Some how the headlight buckets had been killed so I opted for the Jag speedster look. A standard less than perfect AFX chassis was de-handled and poked in fer some fun. Handles great and bullet fast we're still on the fence on how to proceed from here. I'm leaning towards some swoopy model A fenders and perhaps narrowing the axle width
slightly.

win43
07-16-2008, 09:35 PM
Bill like the pipes on the Willys. The yellow Jagster is gonna be great..I can sense it

TomH
07-16-2008, 10:25 PM
Don't look now Bill, you just created a fray Jag body for the old school racer.

tjd241
07-17-2008, 06:15 AM
:thumbsup: ...what Win said. nd

Hilltop Raceway
07-17-2008, 10:00 AM
Dang it, I like them headers hanging from that Willys!!! I got have a set of them!!! That smooth looking, low lying, "yeller" (one of my favorite colors I might add) Jagster should hug the track!!! There may be some controversy over that one??? Just my thoughts...RM

roadrner
07-17-2008, 01:40 PM
yeah, those pipes do look good! :thumbsup::thumbsup: rr

vaBcHRog
07-17-2008, 03:30 PM
Spent most of the week on tasks and chores around the house as the weather has been great.....fer work that is.

Shown below is a recent find on the beach that just washed ashore. Spruced it up today to get back in the slot. Rear wells had been ruffled lightly and cleaned up quickly with a light skim and quick polish. Rear wheels off of a semi trailer. Left the original gasser stance so I could cram some Dash pipes for effect.

Also shown is a smooshed XK140. This ole Jag was on the wrong end of a boot stomp and some grindage. Some how the headlight buckets had been killed so I opted for the Jag speedster look. A standard less than perfect AFX chassis was de-handled and poked in fer some fun. Handles great and bullet fast we're still on the fence on how to proceed from here. I'm leaning towards some swoopy model A fenders and perhaps narrowing the axle width
slightly.
Turn it into" Old Yeller"

bobhch
07-17-2008, 11:28 PM
:thumbsup: ...what Win said. nd

...what nd said. Zilla :) :wave:

coach61
07-18-2008, 02:51 AM
...what nd said. Zilla :) :wave:

I disagree, just because I have been so well behaved of late and the only action we have bene having have been girlie fights.. lol...


Coach (ready to drop down on bobzilla lol):wave:

Bill Hall
07-23-2008, 06:47 PM
I disagree, just because I have been so well behaved of late and the only action we have bene having have been girlie fights.. lol...


Coach (ready to drop down on bobzilla lol):wave:

Kinda surly aint ya ole man? And to think I almost felt bad for using yer toothbrush to clean gear plates. Also been using it to scrub my house before painting so I dont have much to share this week again.

The blue XKE has finally gassed out enough to rough house a bit. The hugely radiused front fenders were filled with a coupla Ford J doors turned inside out. What you see reflects the first bond and a light skim. Color here is actually vibe blue, AKA t-jet bright blue> same difference. Providing the slot gods are smiling upon me these can now be profiled into their correct shape and reskimmed.

Opened up the barn and found that Joez had just decapitated one of my guest hot rod runners. :p

...actually my grandaughter Ivy (13) staged it after running it around the track, noticing it had a missing noggin' she put two and two together and placed my dental hygenist in the scene; then laughed a contented little laugh :freak:...I better have a talk with her boyfriend. Jacob could be in trouble!

roadrner
07-24-2008, 07:22 AM
...actually my grandaughter Ivy (13) staged it after running it around the track, noticing it had a missing noggin' she put two and two together and placed my dental hygenist in the scene; then laughed a contented little laugh :freak:...I better have a talk with her boyfriend. Jacob could be in trouble!

Can you say Shrink? :eek: rr

Hilltop Raceway
07-24-2008, 10:28 AM
I don't think I'll be able to attend your next race Bill. I'll wait till the grandkids get tired of racing, then come!!! It may be a little late for that talk, lol???

Bill Hall
07-29-2008, 11:16 AM
Finally got my guide back in the slot and buffed a few cars. The blue Dino got a rear post and a stripe touch up. The slate vette roof is about as good as I can get it...the front fender graft came out decent...considering it was a rear ....LOL.

Green Charger needed some post added to the front. At the same time a little was added to Greg's white Charger as well.

The old white splitty 'Vette got both screw posts replaced and a three stage buff to restore its original white color. Much the same with the Lola. The rear post was repaired and the front was lengthened. Again with the heavy buff to "de-yellow-fy" it.

Next they'll get a little bath to remove compound traces and their doodads reinstalled. :woohoo:

Bill Hall
07-29-2008, 12:08 PM
...to tell ya this.

The geen charger had a really nice roof....looked like it was painted with a toilet brush. The ugly was carefully hummed off with coarse compound and the cotton dremmel pad. Once cleaned off, the roof was wet-sanded to remove the play scratches. Then the roof was buffed progressively to an original state. Kinda like the unblack roof myself but I'm sure the customer will want it re-blacked.

Along with the previous lil group of cars.... are all these screw post repairs! LOL All but the XKE needed a reworking of both posts. A couple have some doinked wells that were re-skimmed. About half need re-stripe. Most of these will receive a rough cut with the buffer. This removes the stripe. A "stripe scar" will remain to show where you need to mask. After the stripe is sprayed, the body is buffed with medium compound and the stripes are lightly touched to kill the sharp tape edge.

The uther slate 'Vette has recieved a few medium skims to get some material around the wells. Gruesome, huh? I just hog the high solids goop on and try to stay away from seams or details. It'll wander and shrink and generally annoy you until you cut it back during the first profiling and thin the solids down in subsequent skims. The idea is to get the solids on and buck it back into it's general shape.

THEN the solids are thinned down to get better flow/coverage like the front fenders of Splitposter's blue XKE. Just like the preceding slate 'Vette the front wells were built up with high solids, cut back, then skimmed...three times if memory serves...to get it to where ya see it now. Good coverage that exceeds the filled area. Close to final body work here. The edges will be feathered in with 1200 as will the entire car. Then some 2000. At that point we'll buff it as is or spray a few thin coats of vibe blue over the top in the event that the tonal quality is inconsistent.

Here's an old Willys of mine that was done in using the same technique. She was cut above the belly button. Now somewhere inbetween the Vette and the Jag on the completion meter.

Bill Hall
07-29-2008, 12:18 PM
Our local alternative radio station...KAOS....snicker....has a show called Surfin USA. They play some really obscure music from the era and lace it with counter culture tunes ya never heard on top 40. So I was in a different mood.

Over two years ago I fought a fierce battle on the beaches of E-bay. The prize was a pit kit full of needful things. AFX front weights, white rear spoilers, about eight thousand AFX rims, two handfuls of chassis and gearplates, with a pound of "it's and bitties"....for which I paid 38 odd bux for.
I needed the box...;)

Then a funny thing happened on the way to the mail box. They shipped the wrong pit kit. The nice lady explained that they were a clearing house and the warehouse gomer pulled and shipped the wrong kit. I sez, "Okey Dokey how can we fix this?....do ya wanna just sell me the wrong one outright so we dont have to do the exchange shuffle?

She sez, "Sure! how about ten bux for your trouble? I said done!"

So she sends me the right one and everything is ducky. Hiding in the tangled wad of t-jet parts in the first mis-shipped case was and old dune uggie shell with everything missing....but it was purple! A nice solid rivet chassis was assembled from the kit parts the next day and then I set about collecting the required widgets. While I've had the widgets piled up for some time I just never got around to it until yesterday. I had the buffer out anyway so I went to town after fixing a hairline spilt in the front screw post.

The roof came in a load from one of my many plastic benefactors, the head was found in the grime of the pitkit bottom and the windsheild came from Joez ....about a year ago.... :p Thanx Joe!

She aint mint in box with her pedigree in order...so I'm allowed to run her now and then! :woohoo:

1976Cordoba
07-29-2008, 05:58 PM
:thumbsup: It looks like a happy dune uggie. :thumbsup:

tjd241
07-29-2008, 07:27 PM
Slow week I guess. ;) nd

win43
07-30-2008, 08:19 PM
Cool looking purple buggie. :thumbsup::thumbsup:

bobhch
07-31-2008, 02:10 AM
Nice pUrPle Dune BuGGy Bill,

Set up some of those barrels on your track and play a little smash the barrels ...dare yah! :devil:

Bob...you don't want to hurt the little purple guy now do you ...zilla

videojimmy
07-31-2008, 02:22 PM
Nice save Bill

Bill Hall
08-01-2008, 01:34 PM
Thanks guys... yer always too kind.

Ed, this grey XKE isnt worth fixing...but we're gonna try and do it anyway.

That's an old T-jet wheel-troller base in the first pic. A batch of light grey goop was cooked up from the controllers center slats. The other repair parts are lurking there as well. No really!

After some blade work and a date with the dremel we see the beginnings of my parts list in pic 2. The missing pillars will be made from the index brackets of the troller base. The rear bumper box is made from the upper troller base corners. The wheel wells and missing valence pods will be made from a chunk of flat material right out of the top portion of the base.

The third pic shows how I plane 'lil bits of dammit that are smaller than a fingernail trimmin'. Ya dont sand the piece....ya piece the sand! Sticky back 220 stuck to my flat workbench does the trick quickly. A few careful passes and the bumper box angles are thinned down to proper size.

After rough cutting the inner ends the final material was handfiled away until the frame sat neatly where it's 'sposed to go. Both surfaces were pre-wet for activation and then lightly gooped. After press fitting all the new seams and edges were damp brushed with straight testors to fill, soften, and remove the inevitable squeezins.

Next day the extra material was clipped off with the dykes but left just a smidgen long so they can be tied into the actual well repair later. A cull bumper is used to jig the bumper bracket holes. The entire bumper box was fine filed and reskimmed with a thin coat of goop. A first pass was made over the screw post and you'll note that the thinned goop material is proud in it's wet state; however it will shrink into the recesses.

Total time here... about 1 hour...less pics.

Bill Hall
08-01-2008, 02:04 PM
At some point I get sick of slinging liquid plastic and clean off my work area and actually build something.

The "Eat me Milner" coupe has been moth balled for some time. We left off with it curing the lower cowl fills and a buck chassis installed. Still needs some blocking to square up the cowl; but I figured it was about time to get her motating under her own power or give up and post it in diecast. ;) The new chassis is a well used tuffy that had a doinked front shoe hanger...:woohoo: Easy pickins!

S'Knifed off everything that was in my way and dropped the back axle. Subframe is identical to the Black Max except round tubing was used for the front axle. This version also runs the floating pick-ups as the dummy motor oil pan is quite wide. Hanger window clearance is not available in the wider 11mm frame rail configuration.

Still might have to move the radiator up a bit... or run taller tires up front.

Next up are some stub axles, front wheels, radius rods, and a rear body mounting cleat. Runs great just skiing along as it is! :p:

win43
08-01-2008, 07:58 PM
Another sweet looking Hot Rod Bill.....:thumbsup::thumbsup:

1976Cordoba
08-01-2008, 09:02 PM
Master tube bender :thumbsup:

Hilltop Raceway
08-02-2008, 09:56 AM
Master tube bender :thumbsup:

Just the Master period!!! Impressive build. Do you have the video " The Goopster Doing Magic" release date yet? Just wanted to get a copy...RM

SplitPoster
08-02-2008, 11:32 AM
that's incredible, those rods would draw a crowd at a 1:1 cruise in. And likely some $ offers too.

Bill Hall
08-02-2008, 11:42 AM
Whose this master guy? Would that be the same dork boy who finally got the bends right on the third try! Instead of mandrel bends, here at Model Murdering we only offer mangle and mongrel bends.

WesJY
08-02-2008, 05:19 PM
bill - freakin awesome man!!!

Wes

sethndaddy
08-02-2008, 11:40 PM
I woulda junked the Jag..........dats what I said in the beginning.