Love the Black Magic you did: Very smooth and shinney sitting on that brown blob.

Love the Willys so far and will be fun to see it all fall together.

Bob...now pretending those pipes are tucked in...zilla

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The final shot of the black Toronado. It doesnt actually have that weird looking hump...thats a reflection of the blinds in a trick of the camera.

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A refresher on the initial assembly of an old Jag project. The coupe's lid was rolled forward and tucked in. Parts from a donor were used to create the cockpit carapace and the wrap around bumpers.

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Some of you old dogs will remember I broke off the windsheild frame during wet sanding.

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Sometimes it takes me a while to get back to things. Cutting holes and slots is always stressfull....even when you've had two years to think about it.

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The selected widgets are an old Chappy driver, good ole helmet head, a useable chunk of Coupe glass trimmed and thinned to shape, and some chrome pipes from god knows what?

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Spent some time file fitting all the widgets and knocked the deck lid around in 600 and 1200. The chassis is one of my very early ultra slammed rear drop axle rigs with narrowed baby Ansens.

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Motor is a 6 ohm AFX green/green with Super ll's. Pick ups are AFX step style. Straightline speed is excellent with some twitchy cornering behavior due to the narrowed Ansens. Fun to drive but when your gone yer gone...LOL

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I'm seeing standard green for a top coat here. We'll keep picking and digging at the trunk and carapace areas until they come around.

Sweet!

the jafg's looking great, but a cool addition should be a "classic" driver (like 50-60's races), instead of integral helmet modern driver ;)

Swweeet Jag.

DROOL!!!!!

really nice Jag Bill. I think those pipes are from a slimeline F-1... am I right?

Nice work!!! I likes that black Toronado. Custom Jag is looking smooth. I likes that race trim package - rounded front and tail sections, low to the ground... RM

All the cars are just Awesome - the Toronado, Willy's & the sweet convertible Jag! Will have to go back and view them a few more times, quite the front end on the Willy's. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: ..RL

the jafg's looking great, but a cool addition should be a "classic" driver (like 50-60's races), instead of integral helmet modern driver ;)

Thanks D,

While I would agree on the surface with your choice for a period driver, I was really modeling what one would term the modern American vintage genre. Where unfamous fat old guys with more money than sense play/race beautifully restored classics wearing modern saftey equipment.

Awesome!!!! Can't wait for the next episode!! :thumbsup::thumbsup:

Bill. Those are absolutely beautiful. The Jag is gonna be a hoot. On the next one I would like to see a blonde chick driving her daddie's Jag. By the way, that Willy's is on the mark.

Top notch work as always! Can't wait to see the Willys at completion.

Man, I wondered where this jaggy went. Well...it was worth the wait! dang, that is cool!:thumbsup:

Billy has a Jag...Billy has a Jag! What a nice top off ride! Again the "Master Plastic Goopster" is still in his groove!

Bob...Love this Bill Hall parts car Jag kit build...zilla

Swweeet Jag.

DROOL!!!!!


Yeah, what Jerry said! :eek:

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: Dave

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Before a body gets melted into goop I save all the widgets...Especially tinted windsheilds....broken or not.

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I rough slice what's needed and carefully inspect the bits for flaws or inclusions. Important when you get to the polishing phase.

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Each chunk is trimmed to roughly fit the selected opening on the body's exterior, taped into place, and scribed carefully from the inside. I tend to push up and in to scribe wide on an angle...because when I file the reliefs later I always come up short.

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Peel the tape back and the rough template is ready to begin the relief cuts.

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The cuts are arranged in straight lines. Any curvatures are free handed via trial and error one file cut at a time. The blue fine line tape is double thickness to keep your file riding properly....no misses allowed.

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Once you get around you'll have the basic geometric shape. The relief bed is then leveled and trimmed to fit the interior. When it fits the curves are cut in until the window drops in from the backside.

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Polishing is trickey but doable. I use a towel as a catch fence/net, kinda like the net behind the goal posts when feild goals are kicked.

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Couldnt restrain myself anymore and stabbed the beginnings of grill work into Willy's face. Now seen in macro I'll have to move it over to the drivers side a bit.

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Having picked up the jag project again I began to nit pick...and picked open a pin hole. Grrrrrrrrrrrr!

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You can skim them topside.....but I prefer to harpoon them through and through and first fill the back and then fill the top.

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Fine line tape established the bodyline way back when this was first assembled....works good now for protecting it during touchups too. Keeps you from crossing over into the next panel.

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SEE! After sanding the tape is peeled back with no incursions beyond the border.

All that colored plastic glass looks like you are getting ready to make a church window. Cool carvings Sir Murder-er.

How many AFX 4 gear orange vans need to perish before enough is enough? Ooooooooh the inhumanity of it all. You know those things are the backbone to the Charlie Angels paintem' up pink people. C.A.P.U.P.P. Kinda like PETA so, you will probably be hearing from them soon. :p

Bob...That is going to be Willy nice with green glass...zilla

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I've had these two black kitties hiding in the bull pen for a coupla years.

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Hard to keep them seperate so I'm just gonna repair them as a pair. Drivers fender had some 80 grit damage so we redistributed the existing plastic....luckily all below the bead on the upper fender seam. Note for newbies: 80 grit has no business in HO slot cars....the correct equivalent is 220!

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Used the lighter trick to straighten the remaining noodled pillars. It'll need cut and repositioned now to get it back under the roofline.

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I hate XKE rear posts cuz ya cant get to the back side. This makes profiling after the initial repair a pain in the butt! ....so I try to do them first thing and get it over with. Seen here after first filling the outside twice and then wet setting the screw.

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Front wells get their first skim too....no rush here given all the other work coming. Light skims at each work session until they come around.

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The rear bumper was so poorly re-glued it got schlobbered into the upper panel. The damage was knifed out and reskimmed.

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Gruesome rear wells at the rocker. This reflects a skim and a cut back. Usually takes a minimum of three maybe four passes here.

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Both cars had a forward divot/stress crack (not to be confused with the white ringwork type) on the front post...usually indicative of being dropped. Filler is applied and recombined with existing original plastic. Always work your brush strokes in the complimentary direction....North to South in this case.

Miracle work with the glass!!! I would have never thunk of doing it that way!! Awesome idea!!! I don't think I've ever seen black jags before, and now I'm seeing double!! They'll be sweet when they're done!! :thumbsup::thumbsup:

What did you use for the grid, please ?

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Oh my!!! :thumbsup::thumbsup: RM

Oh my!!! :thumbsup::thumbsup: RM


Lions and tigers and bears.... and jaguars of many colors and stripes!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh My!!!!! :roll:

What did you use for the grid, please ?

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It's stainless steel screen. As needed I cut open used fuel injection filters after I've serviced cars. It's the prefilter screen. This came out of my wife's Volvo, but any Bosch Jetronic type filter should have a chunk of screen in it...on the input side. :wave:

Awesome stuff Bill. Glad to see you move beyond just restorations.

Jim

thanks a lot, Bill. It 's just the type of informations why I love hobby forums ! I'll try to find some for my projects ;)

Awesome glass cutter tip, the Willy's is really taking shape and so are the black XKE's!! Keep up the instructional procedures, always inspirational, Thks. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:...RL

Willy's looking great :thumbsup::thumbsup: and I can't wait to see the Jags in all their finished glory :woohoo:

I dont get the time to sit down and play cars with y'all as much as I'd like... but for the record let me say thanks for the inspiration and support that drives most of what you see in Model Murdering.

"Glad to see you move beyond just restorations. Jim"

Actually Jim, a return back to where I was before I tripped off to restoration crazyville. Customs always allowed me to color outside the lines and scribble whenever I want to. I'll still always have a couple resto-wrecks going to keep my skills fresh and between the lines.


"I don't think I've ever seen black jags before, and now I'm seeing double!! They'll be sweet when they're done!! "

They're out there Joe. I ended up with three culls; two viable, one extra crispy. For some reason they are coveted... color I presume, and even in disreputable condition seem to command an extra bit of coin individually. These slipped in the back door via "lot" purchases and were set aside for a rainy day. Keep your fingers crossed!

"thanks a lot, Bill. It 's just the type of informations why I love hobby forums ! I'll try to find some for my projects"

Agreed D, the information base here is staggering! Most everything you see in Model Murdering is begged, borrowed, or stolen outright from another who came before me.

"really nice Jag Bill. I think those pipes are from a slimeline F-1... am I right?"

All I know for sure is that they fit perfect and they came from one of your goody lot's VJ! Thanks again!

"Man, I wondered where this jaggy went. Well...it was worth the wait! dang, that is cool!"

Joez! Destined to languish in obscurity....NOT! She was set aside until my skills caught up with my original vision. The olive Jag has special meaning as it was the piece where the plastic began to flow naturally and I reached a certain comfortability level. While easily completed now with the knowledge at hand; I had not yet learned the techniques required to finish it to my expectations. Rather than botch it clumsily after all the initial build work, I invoked the Bobzilla rule and walked away. Walking away is when I do my best work. The Jaggy if anything reflects the point in time where I found the path to combine Vitale's technique with my own experiences in the 1:1 car world. The actual trick really turned out to be adapting the tooling.

"I likes that race trim package - rounded front and tail sections, low to the ground... RM"

Really a build of necessity Randy. I'd been burned on an olive Jag and had a beater in the bullpen. Two to make one is the minimum expectation around here so I set off to recoup my loss. She's somewhat inspired by an awesome SCCA XKE coupe I used to have the priviledge of working on...'cept that it was red and a coupe...I never was much of a bumper, trim, and widget, guy to start with. As a welder of holes and deleter of brick-a-brack I like my valences smooth. The mega low thing was just a phase I was going through at the time.

"Keep up the instructional procedures, always inspirational, Thks. ...RL"

If HT has taught me anything...it is that the journey is more important than the destination. How I got there is waaaaay more relevant than where I am at the moment. Sharing it makes it all the sweeter.

I dont get the time to sit down and play cars with y'all as much as I'd like

I think its safe to say that this happens to all of us at one time er another. Hey... As long as ya still get to play even sometimes ??... well... that's all any one of us can really ever hope for. ;) nd

Now all my Bad Dawg Willys want to go to Bill's house! Hey! Get back here!

"How many AFX 4 gear orange vans need to perish before enough is enough? Ooooooooh the inhumanity of it all"

All of them Bob...and their children's children too! Enough is NEVER enough!

Yeah Zilla I'm sure PETA would be in a wad if they knew how many lil' Aurora lambs have been led to the back of the barn...

The end justified the means.

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Bob, I think it was really only two that got smelted. The others were boned (which is why you see so many wed winders) but the carcasses are still intact in my orange pile.

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What can I say man...it was my orange phase. Oddly I have no real favorite color except that I lean towards Green, Orange, and Purple...which are the end result of blending the primary colors. Once I get beyond the basic rainbow I start feeling kinda oogy and have to go over in the corner and hurl ...because I know where it's goin' and that eventually we are gonna get to things like Avacado, Salmon, Puce (not Puke) and Merengue Avantis...and other than existing as a warning of what NOT to do: it is simply traveling down a road that is gonna make me carsick.

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The Orange vans gave their lives so that I could perfect the goop spray process. I had tip toed around the edge with red on the master for the HOHT roadsters previously. I was overly cautious mostly due to the tedious build times that accompany most of my monstrosities. By the time my orange phase occurred I had grown weary of test shots, formulation adjustments, and worrying about the unknown. I elected to open up the fluid needle to WFO. Based on what little intel I had and started pounding the material down.

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Both the Willys and the Deuce coupe appear pretty cool on the surface, BUT they are both fraught with booboos, ratfarts, and OMG's! The Deuce taught me that body work that is not properly cured to original curetime parameters set forth by Vitale, is asking ...wait ....no!....It's guaranteeing that a trainwreck of shrinkage, warps and warbles will occur. I had to redo it after it had gassed out.

The Willys also verifed that Vitale was dead on the nut that one should use Testors 3502 without exception. I plain and simple made a bonehead mistake I got all giddy on the results of a test shot using (cheaper) straight MEK as my thinner AND failed to duplicate the results with an additional "surety" test shot after I calmed down. The Willys looked as though I had dullcoated it. Needless to say, much like Kentucky Fried Chicken, Testors 3502 has some secret herbs and spices in it that only the Colonel and his trusted desciples know about. The Willys was also resprayed.

I still run the wheels off of these when I get time!

... but orange ya glad you stuck with it? :rolleyes: nd

... but orange ya glad you stuck with it? :rolleyes: nd

KNock knock ..... who's there? banana ..... banana who?...... Knock knock ..... who's there?? ....... banana ........ banana who?? ..... knock knock ..... who's there ??? .... banana ..... banana who??...... Knock knock ...... WHO'S THERE ?:mad: banana ...... BANANA WHO :mad:
knock knock ..... WHO"S THERE??? orange ..... orange who?? "orange" you glad I didn't say banana again. :jest: :devil: :jest:

Gotta love those orange cars.

Love the Willys. Orange suits that car!

Great looking Willys! :thumbsup::thumbsup: rr

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Man, why did you have to post the Willys (Jack) again, you know I likes it!!! I drool too much looking at it, then I got clean the desk up, wipe down the keyboard, dang you!!! :thumbsup::thumbsup: Oh, the orange Hot Sickle ain't bad either, well yea it is bad!!! RM

That Willys is one smooth unit. I bet it has a zero drag co-efficient...beautiful! :thumbsup::thumbsup:

All that orange makes me wanna say

GO VOLS!

or something. I bet Hilltop hears that a time or two each year... LOL

Those two bad boys are the kind of cars that keep pulling me back from my addiction to Sports and F1 cars. You are like a one man intervention unit! Thanks for keeping me centered, Fresh Young Jazzy LL Cool Goopmaster Hall X! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Hutt

that orange rod is my all time favorite! man, I LOVE that car.

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RR sent me a white Grand-Am with a coupla minor problems. While well worth fixing she's my comparo model for how not to screw up Randy's blue one. Thanks Dave! Perfect timing!

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Normal stuff happening here. The hard part is staying off the artwork. Gravity is your friend here. I always pull the repairs down and away. The first pic is a second pass, Note that the graft seam is nearly gone and that the rocker is bucked off flush? The second shot of the other side is an excellent example and shows an initial graft. The seam is shrunk in. I always leave extra at the bottom. The important part is setting the curve of the fender arch/lip. The rest is just frosting.

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Here's a second pass of heavy solids right along the lip...you can just see the tide line and some warbles from the previous pass. This particular AFX model is quite thin and flexible so I'm better off going one graft at a time and letting them set up fully before handling.



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Here's a great shot of what not to do!!! (This looks decieving in Macro) Even though we were in no immediate danger, this float was a little thin and started to get away from me. Capillary action took this well off to the right. A rare occurrence these days with no blood no foul here; but when it happens...it happens in the blink of the eye and always makes me flinch.

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The chassis cleat was swapped out waaaaay back when...I'd almost forgot!
Some Specialty models take a shorter screw ....so watch it! This screw post was porked. When I depth tested the hole, I found it to be the short hole.

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Standard lighter trick to shrink and smoosh a noodled A pillar. This one snapped right back and looks decent after a first skim.

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Although burnt in a fire; Randy had a viable donor...of a #1 rated car. Bow yer heads in a moment of silence.

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Sometimes I'll hang a chunk of plastic to make up the difference. In this case we DID NOT...so you wind up with an out gassed shrunken blob. Totally normal!

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Profiled roughly here in 600 it clearly shows the tide lines of each pass/skim.

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A blending pass is made to incorporate each previous tide line into one continuous skim. Theres no work or thought here; other than some filing and sanding...the blend occurs naturally when the black goop wash hits the parent material.

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Same stuff on the other side. When you get down to washing and blending an area, it dries pretty quick and you can jump from side to side in the same session.

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These look really rough...and I dont care...LOL! The hardest part of A pillars is setting them correctly. The first shot shows a killer view of the tricky XKE A pillar. My trick is aligning the pillar's center detail seam at the cowl and ensuring the proper approach angle to the rearward drip edge detail. I never try and set a perfectly sculpted replacement part. I try to set a replacement chunk perfectly and finish it adequately later. Prior planning here leaves only normal filing and sanding if you get it right. I use a magnifying glass! You can cut seam detail in later... but it's a headache. Of course every model is different. If you look back at pillar work on a Toronado you'll note that the detail IS cut in after the graft... because the work area is easily accessible and the seam detail flows in straight lines. The XKE pillar seam is recessed, goes up and angles rearwards with a sharp defined curve into the drip rail. The forward portion of the pillar vanishes smoothly into the roof above and behind the forward drip edge.

Bill,
Glad you were able to use it for something. :thumbsup::thumbsup: Dave

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Somehow I muffed some frenched taillights on Blue Willy. High, inside and generally fubarred. I'm gonna blame it on the push bar being somewhat in the way...snicker. I probably coulda saved the bar, but chose not to cuz I'd already cut off the scoop, the grill and the license plate. What the hell?

Two fills and four skims later, as I was schlobbering along the rear apron to repair my two misplaced bazooka shots; I decided to cut some trunk seam detail in and subtly change the rear line by extending the apron face flush with the trunk. This was done by building the apron up and planing the trunk downward.

In combination with the bar delete it seems to make tail appear wider, AND as is customary here....it cleans up all that factory "busy-ness" that hurts my eyes. So far I kinda like it

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Coming attractions....although I couldnt tell ya when. Not my favorite T-jet model but I've accumulated enough carp to "complete-a-camino".

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Crew chief sez, "YOU must be kiddin'. Quit screwin' around and get back to work! That aint mine! Fake dog crap! Oh great! Thanks a lot Bob!"

I was wondering if Randy's grand am would make an appearance!! It doesn't look as bad as he made it out to be, but that's based on what I can see from the pics. Black jag is cruising along nicely, and the ole blue is looking sharp with her rear end sorted out. And tell the crew cheif he's my latest background on my computer!! I just hope it don't go to his head!! :lol:

Grand-Am in blue!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I look at the one you fixed for me Bill all the time. It is the best AFX piece in my collection. Thank you sir.

Look at all those goopity projects in Bill-a-Vision!

Bob...fake doesn't smell so, if you are gonna have some sitting around...zilla

WooHoo, I'm liking that blue Grand Am!!! I want to be just like Bob... Repaired Team Grand Am ...zilla. I like what I see, :thumbsup::thumbsup: that's why I sent it to the expert. Yea, we got some Macco shops around here, but do you really want to take your car there??? I don't want to talk about the other cars right now, can I have a moment... RM

Thanx for the vote of confidence....so far so good Hill. All the wheel well grafts are laid in and the minor repairs are already done. We'll let her sit for a few days and then start skimming, sanding, and picking on the warbles.

Ujoe: Oh it's bad! LOL...This one (Grand Am) is kinda trickey. Macrovision is very deceiving. The four wheel well grafts could lay on a dime with room to spare; and the proximity to factory art work is thinner than the edge of said dime. :freak:

Bob: Yuppers....glad to do it for you Zilla! It was hard to send yours back...hahahahaha! Promise me you'll take it out of the case and run it once in a while! :thumbsup:

RR: I always thought the plain jane red white and blue version (Bi-Centenial) was unfairly wallflowered by the snazzy royal blue version. Regardless the Grandy is my favorite four gear... behind the Model A of course. I've already mind penciled your donor for some fun down the road! ;)

... but we're gonna need sum wiper blades here. :hat: Other than that though... it's all lookin top shelf. :thumbsup::thumbsup: nd

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Don't worry we never thought you would carp where you sleep. :tongue:

Gonna be some good lookers when there done :thumbsup::thumbsup: