Several years back (6 or 7) I bought a Titanium Dog Bone for my WCM cars, does any one still offer these or know were to get them. I still have one in my old car but am looking for some for my newer cars.

Dave D

dangerousdave. I was told they could be found on e-bay. But I have never been able to locate them myself. But I don't have much use for e-bay. so i didn't really look to hard.

Also what are you using for dog bone boots???...

DD

Also what are you using for dog bone boots???...

DDgoat nipples

goat nipples

I think I will just let this responce go!!!...

DD

Now Willyplankheads is right. Goat nipples

Dave.Go to a feed store or Co-op and ask for goat nipples. there for when ya feed them from the bottle. they have several different sizes. once you see them you will see how they will work.

"Lamb Nipples" from Fleet Farm

I think I will just let this responce go!!!...

DDman you would think somebody could think of something else for a axle boot but they work great snip the end pack with grease and forget about it:thumbsup:

:thumbsup:Dave I have some nice boot for the dog bones. They are cool and last a long time. I will get a pic. and send it to you and put them on the website.Also what are you using for dog bone boots???...

DD

:thumbsup:Dave I have some nice boot for the dog bones. They are cool and last a long time. I will get a pic. and send it to you and put them on the website.
if i know jeff they are cv boots off a 68 bug.....whats up jeff Will and i are coming for ya...are you scared yet :wave:

I think I will just let this responce go!!!...

DD

SO DID THE GOAT.

Not yet, maybe on the white flag unless I'm a lap on the field. LOL:thumbsup:if i know jeff they are cv boots off a 68 bug.....whats up jeff Will and i are coming for ya...are you scared yet :wave:

I've used the fingers cut off rubber gloves . Course the Mrs. wasn't too happy her dish washing gloves were messed up , but they work pretty good .

Several years back (6 or 7) I bought a Titanium Dog Bone for my WCM cars, does any one still offer these or know were to get them. I still have one in my old car but am looking for some for my newer cars.

Dave D


Just wondering. Where is the answer for the Titanium Dog Bones? Some how the Goat became the big topic.:dude:

Ed

A few years ago Neil Schindler out of San Diego had a batch made for both Lightling & WCM. When he left 1/4 scale he sold the remaining Lightning db's to Lightning. Not sure what happened to the WCM

JF

John i gave you a call.I wanted to talk about shocks.

ED

Sorry Ed, I had a voice mail problem with my phone. I'll call you tomorrow.

JF

NP John I will not get back in until 5 or so my time. Should i get back to you on the number.You have on here or just call QMS.

Thanks ED

So does anyone know what happened to the WCM dog bones, or is any one else making them!!!...

DD
MPRNN

Dave does it have to be Titanium? I made 1 a for a guy a few years ago .For a Pro1.Then he wanted 5 more.He did not give me a Pro1 bone as the sample.Something a buddy of his made for him.I will have to find the drawing of the bone i made for him.To see if it will work on a WCM.

ED

Dave does it have to be Titanium? I made 1 a for a guy a few years ago .For a Pro1.Then he wanted 5 more.He did not give me a Pro1 bone as the sample.Something a buddy of his made for him.I will have to find the drawing of the bone i made for him.To see if it will work on a WCM.

ED

Well I was looking for a bone that has less weight to it than the stock Aluminum one...

DD

Well I was looking for a bone that has less weight to it than the stock Aluminum one...

DD

Dave if my calculations are right per ft. The titanium is heavier than the aluminum. If i am wrong someone let me know.I based it off.500 O.D. just for a number.

Titanium= .38 lbs.
Aluminum=0.231lbs


ED

Dave if my calculations are right per ft. The titanium is heavier than the aluminum. If i am wrong someone let me know.I based it off.500 O.D. just for a number.

Titanium= .38 lbs.
Aluminum=0.231lbs


ED

The titanium one I have is made out of about 1/4" dia stock with a bulge on the end and the pin through that, I can't remember the weight off hand but it was quite a bit lighter than the Aluminum one!!!...

DD

The titanium one I have is made out of about 1/4" dia stock with a bulge on the end and the pin through that, I can't remember the weight off hand but it was quite a bit lighter than the Aluminum one!!!...

DD
I think most dogbones are .500 O.D. at the pin end or they were.How does the weight loss or gain help?Not picking on you just trying to understand.
Getting off the subject a little.


I found this pic on the net. With this :
These axles are race tested by my 7 member team. They are approximately 2 oz. lighter than stock. They do fit the Lightning car, not tested yet for the WCM car.
The reason you want to run this after market part is to reduce rotating mass and unsprung weight.
Note: you need to install 1-1/8" pins in your dog bone. (available here)


How does this change the rotating mass and unsprung weight?What does the longer pins change?

Just asking


Thanks
ED

As far as weight any part that rotates that is lighter will allow the motor to spool up faster allowing for better off the cornor pick up (again just my thoughts)... And the pictures you show of are the axles not the dog bone!!!...

Dave D

As far as weight any part that rotates that is lighter will allow the motor to spool up faster allowing for better off the cornor pick up (again just my thoughts)... And the pictures you show of are the axles not the dog bone!!!...

Dave D

Dave I know they were axles.Using them to make a point.The dogbone weight will not help out of the corner.If you look at your drive system.Does the dogbone drive the car first.THe axle with the gear on it controls your car.Before dogbone comes into play.Your tire is the most important thing.Since the tire is most of your weight.Make that lighter whatch the difference.Most hubs are mill to make them lighter.Is that for rotating, or for keeping the car at 30 pounds?
If we were talking 10th scale.They are for rotating since the tire is foam.With such a small Dia. the hub is heavier than the tire.1/4 scale not true.The tire is all the weight.Once the hub is bolted to the tire .The tire weight to hub ratio.Takes out the milled slots.With the plastic drive cups you save 2 onces from the stock ones.Keeping that in mind.How much will one gain in corner pickup.When the center of the drive cup for a figure is .5 inch or 1 in in dia.Now take that same 2 oz.and apply it it to a 6.25 O.D tire.Or what the od is.Which one would one be better of with?If i was racing, i bet i could take of 2.5 to 4 lbs off any car.Without doing a thing to the car.4 lbs might be strecting it.

Guys don't pick on me too much.Just me thinking.

ED

I think Pro1 has the best drive cups. I ran them all year and they are still not cupped out. I run boots on mine with grease in them and don't have any trouble with them.
I use to run the light weight stuff but had problems with wear and if a cup gets a grove in it it will not let the rear suspension work right. just my .02

i second what jeff said i have changed all my drive cups and axles to pro1..if the cup groves out it can easily snap pin on dog bone..plus they have a pin that goes all the way thru the cup and axle so they wont come loose like the set screw can

Jeff and MSadler, correct.

Ed,
You are correct to a point. Rotating mass makes a difference if the mass is rotating farther outside the center of the rotation. That is why reducing the tire weight can make as much difference as 10 times that of static weight.

So if the dog bone is rotating in the center, or real close to the center of the rotating mass, it's weight will make less of a difference, but to say that the weight does not make any difference is not correct. It would have an influence on the overall weight of the car.

My point was made (for myself) in Easley. My truck was real heavy, like almost 2lb's. In reality, (because I think the scales were showing the cars were light) my car is almost 3lb's over with a full tank. My axles are made of the heaviest, heat treated non-bendable steel there is. Can't drill it, almost can't grind it with regular tools. I think Jeff will agree, I didn't have much trouble getting off the corner.

So with all that, if you mill down the rim, what are you giving up besides weight? Answer, strength in the wheel. Smaller diameter foam and or bigger plastic rim is a possibility, but, again what are you gaining, and what are you loosing.

If somebody wants to make it, I'll test it, but to do it right you need a stable of people that can articulate the results in a non bias manner. Not everything works the same on paper, as it does on the track. There are many variables.

I'm not picking on anyone here, just my opinion.:rolleyes:

Titanium dog bone. The only way to go. It is light,not as light as aluminum, but i will take strength in that department anyday.

Jeff and MSadler, correct.

Ed,
You are correct to a point. Rotating mass makes a difference if the mass is rotating farther outside the center of the rotation. That is why reducing the tire weight can make as much difference as 10 times that of static weight.

So if the dog bone is rotating in the center, or real close to the center of the rotating mass, it's weight will make less of a difference, but to say that the weight does not make any difference is not correct. It would have an influence on the overall weight of the car.

My point was made (for myself) in Easley. My truck was real heavy, like almost 2lb's. In reality, (because I think the scales were showing the cars were light) my car is almost 3lb's over with a full tank. My axles are made of the heaviest, heat treated non-bendable steel there is. Can't drill it, almost can't grind it with regular tools. I think Jeff will agree, I didn't have much trouble getting off the corner.

So with all that, if you mill down the rim, what are you giving up besides weight? Answer, strength in the wheel. Smaller diameter foam and or bigger plastic rim is a possibility, but, again what are you gaining, and what are you loosing.

If somebody wants to make it, I'll test it, but to do it right you need a stable of people that can articulate the results in a non bias manner. Not everything works the same on paper, as it does on the track. There are many variables.

I'm not picking on anyone here, just my opinion.:rolleyes:this my oppion as well i think its fine for some one thats wanting to lighten up a car or parts but i myself dont see the point lighting up dogbone or axels by a few grams or 2 oz'es to cut down on rotating mass as sone as you bolt 2lbs of tires to it the rotating mass part goes right out the window it would be nice to bolt on parts to get corner speed but that aint gona happen i run a lead sled as well and dont care about the weight part a heavy car with a great setup will outperform a light or heavy car with average setup everytime corner speed is about setup not parts iam not picking on anyone ether just saying it the way i look at it:dude:

will, you have a point there. Its not so much that lighten wouldn't help. every bit can help but some spend so much time searching for speed in the areas that helps the least instead of spending more time thinking about the area that can make the biggest difference. but if someone that much time on there hands fine. The biggest
problem i've seen with lighten axles except one, is that they don't last . Its taken cars out because of failure of the part. and the one that is the exception is too expensive for the very very little gain in performance you gain. (its just alittle lighter). can't justifiy
the cost for the average guy. money would be better spent on new rubber.

So, does anyone have Ti Dog Bone for DD?

Titanium dog bone. The only way to go. It is light,not as light as aluminum, but i will take strength in that department anyday.

I have never broke a Pro1 dog bone. Although, I would buy a TI Dog Bone if I could find one. :thumbsup:

Just to break topic. But this is cool sitting in my race trailer. Door shut, and using the internet. Ida never thought i would get a signal thru the trailer. My cell phone won't pickup didly with door shut.

We can go back to Camber gain,

dog bone paul LOL

That's right dog bone Paul. But i still got my titanium one.:woohoo:

i just hope my lap top holds out about 2hr ago was fixing my 2year old son breakfast he decided it would be a good idea to poor my mountaindew on top of it i shook it out so far still going bad thing is its brand new

Near as I can tell I am out of luck with the titanium bone for now, but I will keep looking... Maybe I could make a carbon fiber one!!!...
Now that would have a cool factor!!!...:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

DD

DD. It wouldn't hold up. 1st time you got popped and spun backwards it would snap.

DD. It wouldn't hold up. 1st time you got popped and spun backwards it would snap.


You are right. I have a couple that did just that!

DD. It wouldn't hold up. 1st time you got popped and spun backwards it would snap.

Ya but my driver has never been popped and spun backwards !!!
Well at least that I can remember, LMAO!!!

DD

DD. I hear what your trying to lay down.And I will leave it as such.LMBO!!!:)

Must be using the dogbone for an antena....lol

Just to break topic. But this is cool sitting in my race trailer. Door shut, and using the internet. Ida never thought i would get a signal thru the trailer. My cell phone won't pickup didly with door shut.

We can go back to Camber gain,

Jeff and MSadler, correct.

Ed,
You are correct to a point. Rotating mass makes a difference if the mass is rotating farther outside the center of the rotation. That is why reducing the tire weight can make as much difference as 10 times that of static weight.

So if the dog bone is rotating in the center, or real close to the center of the rotating mass, it's weight will make less of a difference, but to say that the weight does not make any difference is not correct. It would have an influence on the overall weight of the car.

My point was made (for myself) in Easley. My truck was real heavy, like almost 2lb's. In reality, (because I think the scales were showing the cars were light) my car is almost 3lb's over with a full tank. My axles are made of the heaviest, heat treated non-bendable steel there is. Can't drill it, almost can't grind it with regular tools. I think Jeff will agree, I didn't have much trouble getting off the corner.

So with all that, if you mill down the rim, what are you giving up besides weight? Answer, strength in the wheel. Smaller diameter foam and or bigger plastic rim is a possibility, but, again what are you gaining, and what are you loosing.

If somebody wants to make it, I'll test it, but to do it right you need a stable of people that can articulate the results in a non bias manner. Not everything works the same on paper, as it does on the track. There are many variables.

I'm not picking on anyone here, just my opinion.:rolleyes:
Jim NP just my opinion not picking on anyone. The heavy dogbone will add weight to the car. Not much to effect it.

"So with all that, if you mill down the rim".Not sure what you meant from that.If you were relating to the weight. I said i could take off.Without touching the car.Then i know what you meant.I will let the guys figure that out.That is on paper.

Sending you an e-mail


Thanks
ED

DD. It wouldn't hold up. 1st time you got popped and spun backwards it would snap.
The Carbonfiber was it one pc.Or was it a tube, with the bone end pinned in it.

Ed

Ed. The 1st one was tubed and pinned. like they did on associated TC-3.
The second 1 was solid.

I like my neat little homemade one it run very well and It has lasted for 2 1/2 years. Thats not bad and its aluminum. It wore three set of Lightning cups out and still got the same Pro1 cup in it now.

I ran a carbin axle and it broke were the pin goes through. Jeremy Yomans gave it to me a couple of years ago at clover. I ran it for about 8 to 10 races and it broke. It was made out of a golf club shaft.
Ed. The 1st one was tubed and pinned. like they did on associated TC-3.
The second 1 was solid.

I was wondering why you kept yelling "Four" on the driver stand...lol

I like my neat little homemade one it run very well and It has lasted for 2 1/2 years. Thats not bad and its aluminum. It wore three set of Lightning cups out and still got the same Pro1 cup in it now.

I ran a carbin axle and it broke were the pin goes through. Jeremy Yomans gave it to me a couple of years ago at clover. I ran it for about 8 to 10 races and it broke. It was made out of a golf club shaft.