Once we figure out the best gear ratio for speed and battery life i think we should have a rollout rule like in legends, you gear up for smaller tires, down for bigger ones.
I think your good eric!


I dunno about that...that tends to shy people away from racin just a bit.

roll out should be around 3.90-4.05 for this class

Eric L

http://www.hobbytalk.com/bbs1/showthread.php?p=2603477#post2603477

maybe of interest to you folks!

Eric L

Kid K...

I see ya eyeballin the site...
can you help us in figurin what we need to look at as far as rules for this sorta racin'?

Eric L

PM me if you must.


I'd like to set up some ground rules for this racing!

Checking on it now! will post with concenus!!
Kid :wave:

Checking on it now! will post with concenus!!
Kid:wave:

thanks Kid!

Eric L

When Chuck tried the 21.5 Lipo earlier this year it was just a tick slower than 13.5 4 cell. I drove Chucks 21.5 Lipo car last night and I was sold right there.

I haven't been cycling my spec packs, down to two good packs and don't wanna chance them.

The idea of almost no maintenace between rounds I love. I might think about a second battery just for backup......like when Eric forgets to charge his battery :)

ESC's if other makes are allowed, rollout rule cannot apply. I know LRP uses a different rollout than Novak from overhearing Monti and Eli, but will all end up in the same ballpark range. I was hoping we could keep our same pinions and just buy a smaller spur gear, thus saving money from having to buy 4-5 new pinions at $6 each.


Class name, BLS for Brushless Spec, or SBL for Spec Brushless.....ideas?????

When Chuck tried the 21.5 Lipo earlier this year it was just a tick slower than 13.5 4 cell. I drove Chucks 21.5 Lipo car last night and I was sold right there.

I haven't been cycling my spec packs, down to two good packs and don't wanna chance them.

The idea of almost no maintenace between rounds I love. I might think about a second battery just for backup......like when Eric forgets to charge his battery :)

ESC's if other makes are allowed, rollout rule cannot apply. I know LRP uses a different rollout than Novak from overhearing Monti and Eli, but will all end up in the same ballpark range. I was hoping we could keep our same pinions and just buy a smaller spur gear, thus saving money from having to buy 4-5 new pinions at $6 each.


Class name, BLS for Brushless Spec, or SBL for Spec Brushless.....ideas?????

really would like to keep it uniformed with other tracks out there...

ericL

eric, i have finally got me oval car together all except speedo and motor. let me know quick what the plans are for the near future before so I can finish this thing and start getting some wheel time before Ronnie burns the track up,literally.lol let me know...also, what day of the week does the track get set for oval practice?

thanks in advance...

eric, i have finally got me oval car together all except speedo and motor. let me know quick what the plans are for the near future before so I can finish this thing and start getting some wheel time before Ronnie burns the track up,literally.lol let me know...also, what day of the week does the track get set for oval practice?

thanks in advance...


lmao Thor...


Track sets up usually by Thursday. set it up for spec for right now.... the future is lookin towards lipo maybe...I dont know...

Eric L
I darn sure dont wanna use 4200 mah cells.

looking to be able to get some laps in both thursday and friday and try to run with you all on saturday...

looking to be able to get some laps in both thursday and friday and try to run with you all on saturday...


no..no.. dont try and run.....do it...just do it Thor....be there! or be a force to be reckon with!

I'll sick the little ninja ROC's on ya!

lol
Eric L

"reckon with" ? are you sayin you want me to come out so that you will have someone mew to be "reckin with". I cant see why i wouldnt be there....

"reckon with" ? are you sayin you want me to come out so that you will have someone mew to be "reckin with". I cant see why i wouldnt be there....

...oh crap!!!....what'd I start now?!?

Guess I didn't learn my lesson yet Chip! Darn it!:wave:

do you run a servo saver on the spec oval car? if so, do they have em at the shop?

can you forward me all rules and any info you may have for the ROC class...

do you run a servo saver on the spec oval car? if so, do they have em at the shop?

yes you do thor....its a tamiya servo savor...and they have em at the shop
Eric L

thanks.i'll have to swing by the shop tomarrow and pick up a couple of things...

can you forward me all rules and any info you may have for the ROC class...

yep!

1. Must be a rookie to making left turns, or you've been out of the racing scene so long you've forgotten how to turn left.......lol
2. Any 1/10 scale pan car Chassis is allowed
3. Must run spec motor
-a. end bell must have timing tab and the soder tabs can not be manipulated.
-b. armeture must be a 21 turn spec
-c. you are allowed to use different brushes
-d. no bearings in the can or end bell.
-e. can must have a spec label on it.
4. Must run spec battery trinity 1600 mah
5. Must run spec tires BSR tires (fronts are Green, Silver, Blue backs are Green and gray)
6. You can use ANY oval body you choose ( ORT, Toyota camry, Dodge Charger, Monty Carlo....etc) but the body has to be closed and the spoiler has to be 1" or less from trunk lid to edge of spoiler
7. Total weight (with body and transponder) must be at least 2 lbs 6 ozs.
8. Ride height no lower that 4mm
9. car must have numbers on it 3 sides preferred. 2 is exceptional
10. Tire compound ...Paragon only! Track rules
11.you can run any servo or speed control you want
12. rear end of body must be complete to the bottom of bumper or be taped to cover cut out body

eric L

yep .. this week we had the pleasure of Chuck Pfhaler to run with us and give us a glimps to see just how good we are....some of us...have our work cut out for us. Alot of us....were humbled. However...Chuck sat the bar for us to look out for.

Eric L

:wave:come one come all...tell a friend...bring a friend... tell a hacker...be a hacker..uh...oh...never mind about that last one!

Dont forget...if you come down here....dont forget your remote or your car


Right chuck!
:wave:
Eric L:cool:

Now boys and girls if brad had it his way we would "Pause" the points series switch to 21.5 lipo and finish it off that way. After all, there is only one place in the world where you can have it your way, BURGER KING!:jest:

Anyway what do ya think of this novak system $150. http://www.teamnovak.com/products/brushless/havoc_spec/index.html
King and I are buying 2 of em asap so you fellers better catch up:lol:

sounds and looks like the way to go eventually.. I personally need to get some wheel time and some race time and then I'm up for it. I have a spare ksg roller that I want to put a brushless system in and start tuning in...this looks like the way to go...price is there too!

anyone else runnin a ksg gen 1 chassis in the ROC class?
if so,
wheels?
springs?shock springs/oil?
rollout?
brushes everyone seems to be using?
any other useful info....

also, how many people are running legends as a second class? I have one to run if there are enough people for the class...

Tires : Rear Green dot both sides.
Left front: blue dot . Right front: Silver Dot

shock springs: left: Gold Right: Blue Center: Copper

Motor brushes are F-Type (correct me if im wrong Eric)

No matter what chassis you have. most of our chassis will have a similar set-up on them.

Tires : Rear Green dot both sides.
Left front: blue dot . Right front: Silver Dot

shock springs: left: Gold Right: Blue Center: Copper

Motor brushes are F-Type (correct me if im wrong Eric)

No matter what chassis you have. most of our chassis will have a similar set-up on them.

F brushes or 4383 brushes.

man you guys are quick(with you responses that is). I dont want you guys takin "quick"as a compliment or anything, the doors to the shop are only so big...

thanks,
Thor

man you guys are quick(with you responses that is). I dont want you guys takin "quick"as a compliment or anything, the doors to the shop are only so big...

thanks,
Thor

gotta have a mbig head to be a racer...otherwise thor,put 'er back on the porch... cause us big dawgs are runnin....jk

still humble after the butt whippin by Chuck(and the restof the puny mutts)

EricL:wave:

EricL

Eric, learn to decipher Chuck, it is a game.

I gained a lap with a simple spring change on the RF, but what else is I had ALOT more run time left over @ 15 amps, aka th chassis was more efficent and not scrubbing speed.

Dang me for being underweight, oh well, I scaled and lost.

Get used to being whooped by Chuck if you choose to go 21.5 Spec Lipo. NO ONE in ROC class can hold the line he runs. Heck my good average line is a really bad Chuck line and I'm a hack driver.

I hope to run both ROC with what is left of my GOOD packs and then try to chase Chuck in Spec BL, it won't be easy chasing a master, but he is a great teacher.

Eric, learn to decipher Chuck, it is a game.

I gained a lap with a simple spring change on the RF, but what else is I had ALOT more run time left over @ 15 amps, aka th chassis was more efficent and not scrubbing speed.

Dang me for being underweight, oh well, I scaled and lost.

Get used to being whooped by Chuck if you choose to go 21.5 Spec Lipo. NO ONE in ROC class can hold the line he runs. Heck my good average line is a really bad Chuck line and I'm a hack driver.

I hope to run both ROC with what is left of my GOOD packs and then try to chase Chuck in Spec BL, it won't be easy chasing a master, but he is a great teacher.

First things first....gotta learn to dial in my car now...and clean up my peanut line I've inherited for some dang reason!

Eric L,you get it figured out then let me know your secrets,im strugleinn like you cant believe,it seems when i race im --HITTING EVERYTHING BUT THE LOTTERY!!!!!!!Darn open wheeled cars.Im gonna send ya one of my Pro class SKs and let ya try it.

Eric L,you get it figured out then let me know your secrets,im strugleinn like you cant believe,it seems when i race im --HITTING EVERYTHING BUT THE LOTTERY!!!!!!!Darn open wheeled cars.Im gonna send ya one of my Pro class SKs and let ya try it.

lol....man I wish! right now... I upgraded my king pins for the Hyperdrive kit and am stuggling to find the sweet spot in my line. I'll find it sooner or later. Other than that....tryin to make my stuff last me is the hard part.... Ya know...tires... brushes and batteries

Finally got my car turnin instead of pushin...thanks to Chip!

No, thanks to Chuck, I just passed the info on. He gave me some more secrets tonight. I'll be working on the new chassis tonight while watching downloaded TV shows.

Ronnie
i plan on going to the track to finish set up of car and to take first laps. so if the walls dont have any paint left on them friday and saturday it was me...come on down and help an old man out.

Ronnie
i plan on going to the track to finish set up of car and to take first laps. so if the walls dont have any paint left on them friday and saturday it was me...come on down and help an old man out.

when u going down?
Thursday? or Friday? Wanna make sure I stay off the sidewalk!:thumbsup:

ok guys...I was thumbin through the posts... and stumbled accross these rules that Summit Raceway has for Pan Car: What do you think???

Brushless Pancar

! Chassis: Any Pancar chassis. Dimensions must meet BRL specs.
! Tires: Any pancar foam.
! Motor: ( Brushless ) Novak 13.5, 17.5, 21.5. Any brand speed control may be used with these.
! Weight: (4 cell) 41 oz. minimum (Lipo) 38 oz. minimum. Weight includes transponder.
! Ride Height: 3 mm minimum.
! Batteries: (4cell) 4600 mah maximum.( Lipo ) SMC 7.4V 3200 mah (part # SMC3228LD or SMC3228LT).
! Bodies: Rear of bodies may not be cut out. Rear spoiler will be allowed up to 1 inch high.


...of course the Ride Height for here is 4mm minimum...but the weight minimum is what I was concerned about...and 38 oz. is what I believe we can be ok with( the same we are adhering to now).

However, I am concerned with opening up the Tires to any foam tire in Spec.
I believe that in order to keep additional cost's down (sorry John) That we should stick to Spec tires with this class. All other rules still should apply.

One more thing... And again its my opinion...and just a thought. steering servo's play a big part in this game. I found this to be true after trying out Chucks car and Ronnies car. (Better ease of Turning). Should this be limited or not...I don't know. But, if we are wanting to have a Spec class...well,...its a thought to think upon.

Let me know what you think!

Eric L:wave:

servos are always open, part of the radio system.

SMC 3200 mah are $90, and faster. Stick with the Orions?

Timing.....hrm.

I've heard nothing but good things about the SMC3200. They are a good stable battery and SMC is comitted to keeping them around for the next 2 years. I haven't heard much about the Orion ( I think the 2400?).

Sam

With all the options of lipos that are out on the market today. I feel that sticking to one certain lipo will help the class as that will be another controlled item in our cars. Just like our spec motors and batteries now. But if we are going to decide on one lipo for our class we need to see our options, I've been doing a little research myself on different ones and I've found that Orion's 2400mah 2s hardcase would best work out money wise, which the battery is only rated at 20c. Next option would be the Orion Spec pack 3400mah which puts out 25c
( more power ) but it costs a little more.

here is a link to both the Orion 2400 and the 3400.. also a link to the SMC 3200 which is rated at 28C

https://www.ssl-stormerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/seekpart.pl?src=ns&pn=ORN14007


https://www.ssl-stormerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/seekpart.pl?src=ns&pn=ORN14008

https://www.ssl-stormerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/seekpart.pl?src=ns&pn=SMC3228LD

Which battery should we pick??

i just found another pack made by Diggity designs which is a 3200mah rated at 20C and at Amainhobbies the price aint bad

http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_info.php/cPath/1_221_224/products_id/28354

when you guys get this brushless thing together does it mean that i will be runnin my brushed ROC ride by myself? this is one of my main concerns....let me know so I can make decisions...still lookin for my "sugarmomma" so i can keep up with all this everytime there is a change...in this hobby its almost like you're forced to keep up with the Jones' or come to the track to be a professional turn marshall that enjoys the environment....lol

when you guys get this brushless thing together does it mean that i will be runnin my brushed ROC ride by myself? this is one of my main concerns....let me know so I can make decisions...still lookin for my "sugarmomma" so i can keep up with all this everytime there is a change...in this hobby its almost like you're forced to keep up with the Jones' or come to the track to be a professional turn marshall that enjoys the environment....lol

Thinkin I might become the professional turn marshall.


I myself have had to make some adjustments financially to keep up my ROC car. (That means payin for running it as well). Time will tell for most. As for me. I'm gonna be stuck doin the brush thing for a while. ...Unless you got the winning numbers for the lottery that I can play!

Eric L

whats the pay like for the professional turn marshaling position? i just want to make sure there will still be 4 or more for at least a few more weeks.what time does the track get converted over to oval tomarrow? beggin for wheel time....

whats the pay like for the professional turn marshaling position? i just want to make sure there will still be 4 or more for at least a few more weeks.what time does the track get converted over to oval tomarrow? beggin for wheel time....


call John and ask 513-889-3954

they are setting it up tonight after racing... anyone going to practice tomarrow

[QUOTE=EricL;2607485]
""However, I am concerned with opening up the Tires to any foam tire in Spec.
I believe that in order to keep additional cost's down (sorry John) That we should stick to Spec tires with this class.""

I'm trying to get a hold on Spec tires verses Non-Spec tires. Are Spec tires slower than Non-Spec tires? What is the cost difference between the two? Does a driver/car with Non-Spec tires have some sort of advantage over someone with Spec tires?

Sam

Sam,
We just got back from the track, spoke with Chuck and he will have one of his cars setup with 21.5 motor and lipo. He will be using spec tires as well.
Chuck will show all of us the potential of this new class.
Remember this will be a new class, not ROC.

I plan on running ROC until my packs die and also run the 21.5 Lipo.

I'll have the legends still and a "fun" old chassis, sucker is about 1" wider that what we are running now.

When I left tonight about 11:15 the track was still set up for road course.

I plan on running ROC until my packs die and also run the 21.5 Lipo.

I'll have the legends still and a "fun" old chassis, sucker is about 1" wider that what we are running now.

When I left tonight about 11:15 the track was still set up for road course.

y didnt uset up the oval chip???

John was busy adding items to inventory.......

whats up guys i was there a few weeks ago to run 13.5 4 cell but ended up barrowing a 17.5 have you had any 13.5 show up? i was planning on comin this weekend please someone let me know if not can some one lend me a 17.5 again??? thanks Jeremy

whats up guys i was there a few weeks ago to run 13.5 4 cell but ended up barrowing a 17.5 have you had any 13.5 show up? i was planning on comin this weekend please someone let me know if not can some one lend me a 17.5 again??? thanks Jeremy

Hello Jeremy,

Lately, its been 17.5 lipo/10.5

17.5

R.O.C. Spec

Mini T Open

and Legends.

but, if you keep bringing your 13.5

somebuddy oughta come with one!

Eric L