Just read another post,says LRP is now ROAR approved.The 17.5 and 13.5 motors.So,how do the LRP's compare to the Novak systems? Same winds 17.5 to 17.5 and 13.5 to 13.5......as these motors seem to get the most
recognition.Thanks ahead for the replies.;)


Dan

Vector X-11 Stock Spec 13.5T Brushless MotorOrange timing ring

3200kv
201 watts

Extended Product Information:

The new VECTOR X-11 Stock Spec motor is tailor-made for controlled stock and spec racing!

Color-coded aluminum rings, laser engraving on the tear down, and black shaft and magnet, make identifying this motor and its turns easier than ever!

Performance Features:
· Sintered Neodymium Magnet
· Can be operated with sensor and sensorless speed controls
· New stack for more torque
· New low resistance design
· Hand wound
· New oversized low friction ball bearings
· X-11 teardown, dismountable, timeable
· Low resistance multiplayer PCB
· New solder tabs, easy and safe installation
· Sensored technology
· Standard 540 size and weight
· Complies with ROAR rules

Vector X-11 Stock Spec 17.5T Brushless Motor

Yellow timing ring
2300kv
153 watts

Extended Product Information:

The new VECTOR X-11 Stock Spec motor is tailor-made for controlled stock and spec racing!

Color-coded aluminum rings, laser engraving on the tear down, and black shaft and magnet, make identifying this motor and its turns easier than ever!

Performance Features:
· Sintered Neodymium Magnet
· Can be operated with sensor and sensorless speed controls
· New stack for more torque
· New low resistance design
· Hand wound
· New oversized low friction ball bearings
· X-11 teardown, dismountable, timeable
· Low resistance multiplayer PCB
· New solder tabs, easy and safe installation
· Sensored technology
· Standard 540 size and weight
· Complies with ROAR rules

Vector X-11 Stock Spec 21.5T Brushless Motor

Green timing ring
1800kv
124 watts

Extended Product Information:

The new VECTOR X-11 Stock Spec motor is tailor-made for controlled stock and spec racing!

Color-coded aluminum rings, laser engraving on the tear down, and black shaft and magnet, make identifying this motor and its turns easier than ever!

Performance Features:
· Sintered Neodymium Magnet
· Can be operated with sensor and sensorless speed controls
· New stack for more torque
· New low resistance design
· Hand wound
· New oversized low friction ball bearings
· X-11 teardown, dismountable, timeable
· Low resistance multiplayer PCB
· New solder tabs, easy and safe installation
· Sensored technology
· Standard 540 size and weight
· Complies with ROAR rules

Vector X-11 Stock Spec 10.5T Brushless Motor

Blue timing ring
3800kv
255 watts

Extended Product Information:

The new VECTOR X-11 Stock Spec motor is tailor-made for controlled stock and spec racing!

Color-coded aluminum rings, laser engraving on the tear down, and black shaft and magnet, make identifying this motor and its turns easier than ever!

Performance Features:
· Sintered Neodymium Magnet
· Can be operated with sensor and sensorless speed controls
· New stack for more torque
· New low resistance design
· Hand wound
· New oversized low friction ball bearings
· X-11 teardown, dismountable, timeable
· Low resistance multiplayer PCB
· New solder tabs, easy and safe installation
· Sensored technology
· Standard 540 size and weight
· Complies with ROAR rules

Beware LRP sell other 13.5 BL and 10.5 BL motors!

I don't think these things are on the market yet!

Novak

Velociti ss13.5 Pro Stock Racing Brushless Motor

195 watts, 4,200 Kv

Extended Product Information:

New version w/Orange End Cap, Finned Cases, Sintered Rotor
Team Novak has had many requests to come up with a brushless equivalent to a 27-turn stock brushed motor. After much field testing on dirt and tarmac (asphalt) with some of their team drivers, they have come up with a wind that gives nearly identical lap times as a stock brushed motor. The Super Sport 13.5 Stock Brushless Motor is the result of all this testing. It provides lap performance similar to a 27-turn racing stock brushed motor, but with the brushless advantage of minimal maintenance, long life and increased run-times — a definite plus for drivers who want to spend more time driving than wrenching.

Like all Novak brushless motors, the SS13.5 is sensor-based, providing excellent starting torque, low-speed drivability, and smooth acceleration. Other features of the SS13.5 motor include a high-strength rotor and a larger, more rugged front bearing for extra durability and extended life (same bearing used in Novak’s Velociti-series motors). It also features direct-solder wiring tabs for easy wire replacement, and thermal protection to allow pack after pack to be run without fear of damaging the motor, battery, or speed control.

The Novak SS13.5 motor is compatible with Novak's GTB ESC (#1710), Novak's Super Sport Plus ESC (#1705), and the original Super Sport ESC, accepting 4-6 cells input voltage. The SS13.5 motor used with either ESC is an ideal setup for stock-class racers, or beginning drivers that are looking for slower speeds and longer run times.

SS13.5 BRUSHLESS MOTOR FEATURES:
Specifically designed for drivers who race Stock, or who simply want longer run times
Comparable to a 27-turn racing stock brushed motor
Sensor-based technology for excellent low-speed drivability
High-strength rotor for incredible performance
Minimal Maintenance
Thermal Overload protection
Low cogging
Direct-Solder Wiring Tabs for flexible soldering options
Designed and hand-wound by Novak in the USA
SS13.5 BRUSHLESS MOTOR SPECIFICATIONS:
Number of Turns: 13.5
Design: Sensor-based
Input Voltage: 4-6 cells (1.2V/cell)
Motor Size: 2.08”L x 1.41”D (52.8 x 35.8mm)
Shaft Diameter: 0.125”; 3.2 mm; (accepts all existing pinion gears)
Motor Weight: 6.4 oz. (181 grams)
Oversized Front Bearing (3/8” x 1/2”) for extra durability and extended life (also used in Velociti-series motors)
Magnet: One-piece, multi-pole cylindrical high-strength neodymium

Novak

Velociti 10.5 Pro Brushless Motor

235 watts, 4,200 Kv

Extended Product Information:

The Velociti brushless motors feature a higher-strength magnet for top racing performance, and an oversized front bearing for increased load handling and bearing life. Like the Novak SS-series motors, the Velociti motors are specifically designed for R/C vehicles, are sensor-based for excellent starting torque and low-speed driveability, have low cogging, provide longer run-times than brushed motors, and meet all ROAR specifications. Additional features include direct-solder wiring tabs, locked rotor protection, thermal overload protection, and a virtually maintenance-free design.

VELOCITI 5.5R, 6.5R, & 7.5R BRUSHLESS MOTOR FEATURES
High-strength magnet for top racing performance
Oversized front bearing for increased load handling and bearing life
Sensor-based for excellent braking and low-speed driveability
Lowest possible copper loss (4.4 milli-ohm phase to phase resistance)
Factory hand-wound and passes a final dyno test
Provides approximately 20% longer run-times compared to brushed motors
Specifically designed for R/C vehicles
Direct-Solder Wiring Tabs
Virtually maintenance-free
Low cogging
Meets all ROAR specifications

VELOCITI 5.5R, 6.5R, & 7.5R BRUSHLESS MOTOR SPECIFICATIONS
Turns: 5.5 (#3002 System); 6.5 (#3003 System); 7.5 (#3007 System)
Design: Sensor-based
Motor Size: 2.08” L X 1.41” D (52.8 x 35.8 mm)
Shaft Diameter: 0.125” (3.2 mm) [accepts all existing pinion gears]
Motor Weight: 6.73 oz. (191 grams)
Magnet: One-piece, multi-pole cylindrical high-strength Neodymium

Novak

SS 17.5 Pro Brushless Motor

130 watts, 2,200 Kv

Extended Product Information:
Based on Novak’s Velociti-Series Racing brushless motors, Novak is pleased to announce its new SS Pro-Series racing brushless motors.

The SS17.5 Pro Brushless Motor is 17.5 turns and is ideal for use in the 17.5-turn brushless class. The 17.5 is suggested to be the 27 turn brushed stock equivalent class motor.

ADDITIONAL SS PRO MOTOR FEATURESThe SS Pro brushless motors will be equipped with all of the great standard features found on all Novak motors, including: a convenient Solder Tab System for easy wire replacement; Sensor-Based Technology for excellent starting torque, low-speed drivability, and smooth acceleration; the same Oversized Front Bearing used in Novak’s Velociti-series motors that is more rugged, extra durable, and helps extend motor life; and Thermal Overload Protection (when used with a Novak brushless ESC) that allows pack after pack to be run without fear of damaging the motor, battery, or speed control.

Of its many features, its sensor-based design allows for most of the motor's important benefits, including the following:

* No Cogging--Thanks to constantly knowing the rotor position, the motor provides instantaneous throttle response & smooth transitions from neutral to drive. The rotor position knowledge is attained due to the ESC & motor being continuously synchronized via the motor harness.

* Smooth & Controlled Low Speed Driveability--Always knowing the rotor angle is key to smooth acceleration without delivering abrupt and uncontrolled bursts of power.

* Strong/Consistent Brakes & Starting Torque--Rotor position knowledge results in consistent starts & stops, without hesitation or inconsistent lag times before acceleration or braking--this translates to consistant lap times.

* Thermal Protection--Position & temperature sensors inside motor provide unparalleled thermal protection, letting you to run pack after pack without worrying about overheating the motor, ESC, or magnets.

All Novak brushless motors are designed by Novak in Irvine, Calif. Each motor is factory hand-wound and is put through rigorous testing, including a final dyno test to ensure that each motor meets Novak’s rigid specifications.

Design: Sensor-based
Motor Size: 540 Size: 2.08” L X 1.41” D (52.8 x 35.8 mm)
Input Voltage: 4-7 cells (1.2V/cell or 4.8-8.4 total volts) [input voltage of GTB is 4-6 cells]
Magnet: Nickel-plated, Sintered, high-strength Neodymium
Watts: 130watts
Motor Size: 540 Size: 2.08” L X 1.41” D (52.8 x 35.8 mm)
Motor Weight: 6.61 oz. (187 grams)
Shaft Diameter: 0.125”

Novak

21.5 SS Pro Brushless Motor

85 watts, 1,800 Kv

Extended Product Information:

SS PRO BRUSHLESS MOTOR FEATURES:
Sensor-based for excellent braking and low-speed driveability
High-performance Nickel-plated Sintered Neodymium rotor (ROAR-Approved!) for maximum motor acceleration, braking power and performance in high-temperature conditions
Oversized front bearing for increased load handling and bearing life
Lightweight ribbed aluminum end bells
Provides approximately 20% longer run-times compared to brushed motors
Specifically designed for R/C vehicles
Direct-Solder Wiring Tabs for flexible soldering options
Minimal maintenance
Thermal Overload Protection (when used with a Novak brushless ESC)
No cogging
Factory hand-wound and race-tuned by Novak in Irvine, Calif.
Meets all ROAR specifications

SS PRO BRUSHLESS MOTOR SPECIFICATIONS:
Turns: 21.5
Design: Sensor-based
Motor Size: 540 Size: 2.08” L X 1.41” D (52.8 x 35.8 mm)
Input Voltage: 4-7 cells (1.2V/cell or 4.8-8.4 total volts) [input voltage of GTB is 4-6 cells]
Magnet: Nickel-plated, Sintered, high-strength Neodymium
Watts: 85
KV (unloaded):1,800 RPM/Volt
Motor Weight: 6.61 oz. (187 grams)
Shaft Diameter: 0.125” (3.2 mm) [accepts all existing pinion gears]
Front Bearing Size: 1/2” x 3/16” (12.7x4.8mm)
Timing Ring: Black
Protection: Thermal

Jimmy did you type all that again??? LoL !!!

LET THE MOTOR OF THE WEEK WARS CONTINUE!! Brushless was fun for awhile and now it's going down the same path.

Rickity Racer,You mean the ROAR path?? ;) Not that racing in general doesn't need a sanction,but I wouldn't sweat the motor wars,If you guys have a club..................no worries,race your hineys off . Everyone WINS:thumbsup:

Thanks for the replies.I wasn't aware that some of these motors aren't out there yet.As I don't have a brushless system yet.I was curious how each of the systems performed along side each other.Does one have more grunt than the other?? I know good batts make alot of difference,but................opinions?

Looks like I'll be buying the LRP motors if they putout the "claimed" watts. I will let the lap times help me decide.

Looks like I'll be buying the LRP motors if they putout the "claimed" watts. I will let the lap times help me decide.

I love it... there are pages of guy whining about "cheating" and a non level playing feild. But as soon as a different brand of 13.5 comes out guys want it because the watts are posted higher than the Novak 13.5

...just KEEP all these 'OTHER' brands OUT of OVAL - and we won't have to worry about it...

Joe,You talkin about the Lehners,Hackers,and the Neu type stuff?? I have just read that Putnam Propulsion is releasing some brushless equipment also. :thumbsup:

I'll support the company (Novak) thats been supporting the hobby, not some importer thats going to slap a label on some cheap chinese made knock-off.

...just KEEP all these 'OTHER' brands OUT of OVAL - and we won't have to worry about it...

Sounds to me you are happy going slow...oranges may roll but not that fast.

We don't know how fast any of these motors are! None are out!

Sounds to me you are happy going slow...oranges may roll but not that fast.

Trailranger,

I'm not of the mindset that "GOOD RACING" is built on Speed. With just ONE brand of motor things are a lot more even in the performance area than we've had for years. Guys that are racing with this format on a weekly basis are enjoying it and having some of the best racing they've ever had.

Why do we need to screw that up with a bunch of NEW brands and performance issues that will put things back to a "He's got the Better" deal?

The other may be better, or may not be...but having them legal makes guys invest in them to find out...and if they aren't as good - money is wasted...and if they are better - once EVERYONE has them - they are back to no advantage...but a lot of money gets spent!

Everytime that happens - we seem to lose racers...

I am about and for GOOD RACING - RACING is NOT about HOW FAST you go - it's about beating the other guy to the finish... (Unless you are DRAG racing or trying to set land speed records)

Mark my words - OPEN Oval Racing to ALL Brands of Brushless EQ. and ALL brands of LIPO and watch it REALLY sink fast...

a little defensive SW

Racing is a money sport with pursuit for a better advantage over everyone else.

Diversity leads to progress, stagnation does not. I agree standards need to be set, but limiting to single brands should not be part of the standards. The world is a free market economy and it will be a matter of time that the other brands will say enough and charter their own racing format. The increased diversity of racing leagues will be too much and split the already shrinking number of hobbyist. Look at how the increase of racing classes has already affected our hobby. It might be about time you crossed the 38th Parallel into a free state of thinking.

I fully disagree, and have lived the "FREE MARKET" world in racing...and I personally do NOT think it makes for good racing ... at least not for OUR program.

Is there room for it?

Maybe someplace - but not where I'm at!

...now, as I say that... I allow all brands/makes/models to run on our "On-Road" program for Local racing... WHY? Because we run a very technical track layout...and it has not been proven to me yet that a superior or an inferior motor is an advantage/disadvantage vs. driver and car set up. Plus, the racers we have in that program are all very good at sharing info and working as a group to stick together to provide themselves with GOOD racing w/o me needing to do it with RULES.

They are not out to CUT CORNERS, CHEAT , HEDGE the RULES, FUDGE the RULES, TWEAK the RULES...and/or look for GRAY areas... They look at their lap times and try to improve them with a better handling car and smoother driving.

Oval racing is/has been a little different than that...and it's hard enough to get and keep oval racers around. My formula is and has been working for OUR group and OUR racers for the most part LIKE it. (There are always a few who may not...and usually that's because they are GETTING a Deal on the product being kept out..)

Remove the perception that a racer can win and they will stop racing. By enforcing a strict rule that only allows one brand you are removing the perception that changing a motor will change the outcome of the race. Racers will soon realize where they rank among all the other racers. A racer has a few choices after that realization: Quit, accept fate, or cheat to win.

SPEC racing is a perfect example of this perception rule. Racers want racing to be fair and start racing a SPEC format. For a while, the race class is busting with entries. Then one-by-one racers fall off or look into the “gray” until the class is killed.

Here are some rules that are always true:

1.SPEC is SPEC no matter how fast the racing is.
2.Speed is a function of Distance/Time. So the fastest driver does win.
3.Racing is a Money Sport. This applies on and off the track.
4.You can't win unless you are in the position to win.
5.Racers won't buy it until: They need it to win or they have the money to spend.

...we can beat this horse until you can't tell it was ever a horse...I won't change your opinion...and you won't change MINE!~

Well if the other motors are like the 8.5 ive been testing/racing all weekend, its dead even, down to the hundredth of a second on my fast lap time. Same gear ratio worked on both motors, had the LRP timed to 8 on thier markings, the Novak ring as far around as it will go.

SW the since you are not in the market for a new motor, why should it matter to you. I think I'm better off mailing you a Novak Product catalog for christmas than a card.

I know there are about 10 different motors for the 13.5 and 17.5 classes and if they all end up preforming the same then my motor decision will be affected by price and brand reputation.

I'd rather earn a win than buy it.

I'd rather earn a win than buy it.

true, but you still have to have car that is capable of winning.

Can't let it go...can ya? and I'm ALWAYS in the market for a NEW motor...but only ones I can run....and since I created OUR rules to only allow the "N" motors...

I could ask - where YOU plan to run the Non - "N" motors on oval..and if that track just has an open rule or what their rules package is...

But, since I don't race there....I don't care!

Wow fellas,Wasn't lookin to get anyone vibratin' here,just lookin for some opinions,but if the motors aren't available yet..................well :eek:.

Wow fellas,Wasn't lookin to get anyone vibratin' here,just lookin for some opinions,but if the motors aren't available yet..................well

...it's all good on my part - Now back to your original question -I'm sure that Rick Hohwart and the LRP/ASSOCIATED guys will make sure their motor is every bit as good as the competition...and I believe Tekin, Speed Passion and a few of the others will be too.

Where they will fit into the OVAL market - I don't know, as has been mentioned...not just mine, but several OVAL groups have decided to stay the course with one brand of Brushless Motor - to help avoid one of THE BIGGEST complaints that a Large group of OVAL racing R/C Enthusiasts have complained about over the years... "The MOTOR OF THE WEEK CLUB"

It may well work out that NOVAK, LRP, SPEEDPASSION, TEKIN, PUTNAM, TRINITY, ORION, and MORE motors could ALL run exactly the SAME SPEED at local and club events.

In that case I encourage local tracks and clubs to set their rules accordingly - to what helps THEIR program succeed the best.

"Can't we all just get along" I guess the "N" clan want a one brand supremacy.

I am sure Fagiao, LPR, Speed Passion, Hacker, Losi, Trinity, Peak Performance, Traxxas, Venom, Castle Creations, Prince, Orion, Blue Bird, Putnum Pro, Tekin, GM Brushless, Axion, Norsorm would all like a chance in getting their equipment to the podium. These companies are in it to win and increase sales. I am sure everyone of these companies looking at ways to better the benchmark set by Novak.

I don't think the racers that support the one brand formate are afraid of losing, but are afraid of losing by a larger margin than they are now.

I am sure everyone of these companies looking at ways to better the benchmark set by Novak.

That is a lot of the problem. Most of us don't feel trying to keep up with which motor is best. If they were going to better the benchmark in regards to quality or price that would be one thing, but the reality is performance is what sells. So they'll be coming up with ways to squeeze a little more power out within the ROAR rules.

I don't think the racers that support the one brand formate are afraid of losing, but are afraid of losing by a larger margin than they are now.

Well since up until now oval racing has been essentially all one brand for motors we can't all be losing can we? Have you ever even attended a race outside your home track?

To much Drama.

Jake

I just don't know what else to say. I can post all the agruements but the damn lemmings keep marching to the cliff edge.

See above.

Jake

37 posts into the fight, we have a winner...SIMKINS via technical knock-out.

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You going to the BRL finals? It's close to Missouri. Let me know so I can know if I have to work on my stuff extra to be competitive with one of the guys doing all the winning like yourself. :p

It goes against my ethics to attend a BRL event and Sonny wouldn't want me to run (my motor). Plus I am busy enough as is.

37 posts into the fight, we have a winner...SIMKINS via technical knock-out.


This response put a smile on my face Tom.:):thumbsup: