Hi Gang
Well, you can't ski in 60+ degree weather but along with the Daytona races yesterday it got me to thinking about getting the DIRT Season rolling. A few notes for now with much more to come:


This is our 30th year! WOW
Attached is a very preliminary 2008 season schedule for our Club and the WDRA
I am coordinating the WDRA Eastern Regional Events. See their web site for more details
Proposed motor rule changes to mimic the WDRA; Big Block 19T, Small Block Stock Motor, and other tweaks.
Sprint Cars are back, unlimited, brushed or brushless
Yes we know the web site is broken, now that they have taken my money I'm working on getting the right content posted.Now for the really important stuff

Mandatory Meeting for CD R/C Members
Wed March 5, 2008
6:00 PM Pizza & Soda served
My Work Location:
Autotask
26 Tech Valley Drive
Building #2
East Greenbush 12061
518-720-3500-1301
I-90 Exit 9
North on Route 4 for 200 yards
First right onto Mannix Road for 100 yards
First right onto Tech Valley Drive 1/4 to #2 (after the second hard left)
Go to the side doors that look into the Cafe

We will be deciding on the future of the Club's organization and then follow with the final DIRT Season plans.

See Ya.................At The Meeting
Kirt

PS Please call, email, text, and tell everyone you can think of and invite them to attend this meeting

Kirt I will be their, But not until 6:15-6:20 see you then. Can't wait.

Scott Hauenstein

Scott,

Do you remember how to get to that building?

Hey Kirt. Long time no talk. Just wondering if you might be able to push back the meeting to say 6:30 or 7:00 so that I might be able to make it down from Saratoga. If not I understand. :thumbsup:

Thanks,
John

kirt u have a PM

Hey Gang
No Problem on the start time, we have to eat first ya know!
Get here when you can
Thanks
Kirt

I Will Be There Around 6:30.

Sorry I couldn't make it last night. We were loading up our vending trailer for the Gater Racing News stock car show in Syracuse this weekend. Hope it went well.

John :thumbsup:

Thanks to those who could make the meeting last week. I'm in the process of typing up the minutes for posting here and on the Web Site. Yes, that's right, the web site is back....but with a new url:

cdrcracer.com (http://cdrcracer.com) (No 's') So change your favorite!

Special tanks to Eric for totally re-vamping the site, taking nothing away from all the work Fred put into it last 4 years+.

More details to follow.

Kirt

This is Blaine from Carpet, this might be my first season on dirt, I'm not one-hundred percent sure about it but could tell me a little about what it would be like for the 18th scales?

thanks eric, fred and kirt

Hi Blaine
Right now the classes are going to be:
1/10 Scale
EDM Big Block 19T Brushed or TBD Brushless**
EDM Small Block Any 27T Brushed or TBD Brushless**
EDM Sportsman (Rookie)
Retro Center battery transmission (think buggy) with any Retro body [Coupe, Sedan, or old style EDM{Body Dimensions to follow}]

No Trucks this year unless at least 5 trucker commit to running the entire season.

1/18 Scale: "StocK" with any body.

In order to keep this years show as time efficient as possible we need to consolidate classes and have races as full as possible. Thus the elimination of classes that had sparse numbers last year.

Also, as of this writing there have not been any open Sprint Car drivers making any noise. But again, if you get at least 5 cars all year we'll run them.

** The Club's Competition Committee will continually monitor the competitive level between the brushed and brushless competition and will make any necessary adjustments to maintain level and even competition. All decision by this committee and/or the Race Director will be immediate, and final. And unlike NASCAR, no appeals allowed.

See Ya.............At The Track:thumbsup:
Kirt

TBD: To Be Determined

Kirt I think the new site is great and much eaiser to use.

Thanks Kirt, and the sites looking good.

Thanks for the compliments, glad you like the site; but I need to make sure Eric gets the credit. He's put more than 60 hours into it so far, as its coded from scratch to run efficiently on the slowest of computers and internet connection. That's my boy!

See Ya ............At The Track:thumbsup:
Kirt

i got a sprint car this winter hope others are planing on running.

rob s

Eric the website looks great! Nice job.

Scott Hauenstein.

Board of Directors
Kirt. Bob, Todd P, Eric, & Kyle
Wednesday Mar 26 6:00 PM @ Autotask

DIRT Season
Wednesday Mar 26 7:30 @ Autotask
Board plus
Tom R., Keith, Scott H, James D
Anyone else interested in volunteering for a season long position, please call me before attending 518-727-3456 (cell).

We respectfully ask all curiosity sneakers to wait for the minute of these meetings to be published, as this will expedite this process.

See Ya....................At The Meeting:thumbsup:
Kirt

Kirt I will be at the meeting Wednesday see yuo there

Tom R

hey kirt i won't be able to go to the meeting. i have to work Wednesday. talk to you later
Keith

Kirt, will we be running the blue "club" motors that we bought last year?

John

Hi Blaine
Right now the classes are going to be:
1/10 Scale
EDM Big Block 19T Brushed or 13.5 Brushless**
EDM Small Block Any 27T Brushed or 17.5 Brushless**
EDM Sportsman (Rookie)
Retro Center battery transmission (think buggy) with any Retro body [Coupe, Sedan, or old style EDM{Body Dimensions to follow}]

No Trucks this year unless at least 5 trucker commit to running the entire season.

1/18 Scale: "StocK" with any body.

In order to keep this years show as time efficient as possible we need to consolidate classes and have races as full as possible. Thus the elimination of classes that had sparse numbers last year.

Also, as of this writing there have not been any open Sprint Car drivers making any noise. But again, if you get at least 5 cars all year we'll run them.

** The Club's Competition Committee will continually monitor the competitive level between the brushed and brushless competition and will make any necessary adjustments to maintain level and even competition. All decision by this committee and/or the Race Director will be immediate, and final. And unlike NASCAR, no appeals allowed.

See Ya.............At The Track:thumbsup:
Kirt

John:
At our first meeting, we discussed opening up the stock motor rules to any ROAR legal 27 turn-(see Kirt's post that I posted above) and the majority were in favor of it. I honestly do not believe there is any significant advantage in our application of one motor over another.
We are also going to run the 17.5's with the brushed stocks as well to start integrating the new brushless technology.

We will do whatever it takes to keep it a level playing field for all racers, as outlined in the last paragraph of Kirt's post. :thumbsup:

ATTENTION EDM BIG BLOCK RACERS:

I just spoke to Kirt, and based on a recent ROAR rule change as well as some new On-Track test results, the brushless equivalent to a 19 turn may become a 10.5 instead of the previously posted and discussed 13.5.

I am in the process of gathering more information in the next couple of weeks. We will make a definite determination ASAP.:thumbsup:

Todd.I would have to agree.From what iv seen running on carpet 13.5 is at least 2 to 3 laps slower when up against 19 turn motors.the 10.5 is more compatable.By the way do you have any yet.Latter John

just a thought what about the people that have already bought a 13.5. due to the first rule post?there just out 80.00 bucks.iam sorry but it just doesnt seem right.iam not trying to start a war but the sport is expensive enough.post a rule 1 week and then change the next iam sorry but thats wrong to me.

Hi Blaine
Right now the classes are going to be:
1/10 Scale
EDM Big Block 19T Brushed or 13.5 Brushless**
EDM Small Block Any 27T Brushed or 17.5 Brushless**
EDM Sportsman (Rookie)
Retro Center battery transmission (think buggy) with any Retro body [Coupe, Sedan, or old style EDM{Body Dimensions to follow}]

No Trucks this year unless at least 5 trucker commit to running the entire season.

1/18 Scale: "StocK" with any body.

In order to keep this years show as time efficient as possible we need to consolidate classes and have races as full as possible. Thus the elimination of classes that had sparse numbers last year.

Also, as of this writing there have not been any open Sprint Car drivers making any noise. But again, if you get at least 5 cars all year we'll run them.

** The Club's Competition Committee will continually monitor the competitive level between the brushed and brushless competition and will make any necessary adjustments to maintain level and even competition. All decision by this committee and/or the Race Director will be immediate, and final. And unlike NASCAR, no appeals allowed.

See Ya.............At The Track:thumbsup:
Kirt

Bob,

My interpretation of what Kirt originally posted was tentative based on the discussions at the club's first meeting. (I highlighted above.)

Some topics would need to be discussed further at the second meeting, as there were many unanswered questions- some of which needed some more information than we had at the time. In the meantime, ROAR made another unforseen rule change,(taking magnet away from a 5.5mm ID to a 7.25mm ID) that drastically affected the 10.5 and 13.5 motors.
I know how you feel about being out the $$$ - I bought 400 that are on the way back to China. :freak:

If the shop you bought it from won't swap it out for a 10.5, let me know- I'll work something out for you. Besides, you won't want to run anything other than what I put my label on- you should know better Bob! j/k- :thumbsup:

Todd i know what your saying and agree.maybe shouldnt post stuff unitill its in stone thats all iam saying. besides i already talked to you about your label on my motor.

Todd P Thanks for calling me to confirm our direction and posting in my absence.

Bob Thanks for the point of view and we are sorry if we have caused you or any club racer to purchase something that would not be raceable with us. If that's the case (for any racer) please contact me and we'll make it right.

The tentative rules posting has been revised and should have stated that we are not going to wait for the whole brushless motor issue to resolve itself while we hold onto a dieing past; but rather we are embracing change by welcoming the new motor technology while it's in its infancy. That being the case we, along with ROAR, need a little more time to determine what motors will be comparable. In the meantime, we appreciate your patience.

bottom line: don't purchase a brushless motor for Club only use for another few weeks until the rules are finalized and approved by the Club's member's.

See Ya..........At The Track :thumbsup:
Kirt

thanks Kirt & Todd.I do think you guys are doing the right thing for the club.thanks for the responcses and all you do.I just hope nobody took what i wrote the wrong way.

Bob

Woooops

kirt something came up last min. i may not be able to make it and if i do it wont be till after 7

-Kyle

Hey Todd, thanks for the info. I guess i'll have to learn to read better. :-)

I have a concern on the rules of the Coupes or "Classic" class. as stated.

"Retro Center battery transmission (think buggy) with any Retro body [Coupe, Sedan, or old style EDM{Body Dimensions to follow}"

We have had good car counts in the past when the field was all coupes or sedans. I feel that adding the old style EDM body to the mix that it will fragmentize the class. The old style EDM body will have more down force than the Coupes and racers will have to change in order to be competitave. And then there go the Coupes.

n order to keep this years show as time efficient as possible we need to consolidate classes and have races as full as possible. Thus the elimination of classes that had sparse numbers last year.

I feel that by adding the EDM ( old style ) to the mix that it will be counter productive to the above statement.

Your thoughts?

John

6 car heats an 8 car mains?

???? :confused:

Are you suggesting that we run 6 in the heats & 8 in the main?

John

why not

Demolition Derby Time!!!


Wifey:devil:

4 min heats
4 min mains
6 car heats
8 car mains

What I had suggeted at the meeting was more cars in the A's, at least 7 but no more than 8. I do believe though it was decided to keep the mains at 6 maximum in the A's, even if that means having more cars in lower mains. The example I was given was, say for instance there are 13 Big Blocks you would have 7 in the B, and 6 in the A. Which doesn't sound right to me. But that's fine, I don't mind either way. :thumbsup:

John

8 cars in a races doesn't seem right to me. My experience with more than 6 cars has been a demolition derby. I know I haven't been racing for that long, but I would rather have less cars and the chance to race, verses more cars with a wrecked car and no chance to race. I will be racing at Competition Hobby this season and doing some traveling for anyone wondering why I am putting in my input! I would like to know how the nightly schedule is. I might stick with the rookie class, but I wouldn't be there till 8pm. I realize I will probably miss a heat or 2. So I do need clarification on times and how many heats are run.


Wifey:devil:
A.K.A
Amanda

Amanda-

Hows the big fella doing? Hope everythings OK.

your right wifey , too many cars too many crashes as we have seen in the past ......i think the club's concern is time it takes to run a show. I think they should work on getting corner marshalls quickly, would help .....hope all is well Big D

Why do we need 4 min. heats? If the club wants to save time run 2min. heats....when your running for time what difference does it make 4min. VS 2min.??? 6-7 car mains are plenty!..... and let me chime in on this motor deal now too....why have a motor limit at all, make BB a open motor deal(brushed or brushless), make SB your stock 27t(brushed)..let guys run both who are qualified to run both and have a sportsman class for new racers and old ones who cant wheel.....and corner marshals are easy, raise your entry fee a couple of bucks and hire 4 kids to marshal, done deal!.I have not been able to attend the meetings because of work...have a sunday meeting so everyone can come!......DP

DPEEK27,

We have modified the motor rules for the dirt season, so that the club is in sync with the WDRA rules. As for open motors...... do you really think that we have the track size for such a rule? I apoligize that you were unable to attend the meetings that have been held. But for everyone that did attend we all sat and dicussed the pros and cons of everything. I think that the rules that have been established, talked about thus far, and soon to be uploaded to the website are very good ones. With the first work weekend the 26th and 27th of april, I am sure that we will have another meeting to discuss more and see whom would like to attend and help out with the things that need to be done before any car can hit the racing surface. If there are any questions please feel free to e-mail me directly @ jamestdooley@verizon.net.

-James Dooley

Also forgot to mention, that Marshalling has also been talked about As follows:
The idea of having a entrance and an exit to the drivers stand.
Have each racer driving there car directly to a linked turm marshall, they will then turn off your car, once you get to them they will take your car and your radio to the tech counter. You are then at the corner or marshalling position and the next heat or main can take the track.

I think that this would be a great idea and will shorten the time between races and speed up everything.
Again if there are further questions feel free to contact me.

-James

James....I can see your point, making our motor rules like the WDRA would be nice....If you want to travel to a WDRA race this summer you won't need to spend big bucks.(besides $4.00 a gallon of gas)...I don't have a 19t motor, it looks more and more like I'm going to go brushless for this summer! DPEEK27

wdra are running 13.5 the clubs talking about 10.5.

ATTENTION EDM BIG BLOCK RACERS:

I just spoke to Kirt, and based on a recent ROAR rule change as well as some new On-Track test results, the brushless equivalent to a 19 turn may become a 10.5 instead of the previously posted and discussed 13.5.

I am in the process of gathering more information in the next couple of weeks. We will make a definite determination ASAP.:thumbsup:

Bob,

I am quoting Todd on this one becuase he is the competition director. He says that there may be a 10.5 change instead of the 13.5 mentioned before. I think that if this is going to be something that is going to be changed by ROAR that WDRA rules will be updated as well. I am sure that everything will iron itself out in the comming weeks.

-James

DPEEK27,

Well if you do not have a 19 turn motor, I have some that are slightly used. You are more then welcome to one if you would like rather then go to brushless. I purchased them in thinking of also running latemodel this year but as of yet there have not been to many people mentioning running one. Let me know.

Thanks,

James Dooley