After giving alot of consideration to what has been said about the different oval pan car bodys and the choices given between the protoform charger and camery and the new mccallister impala cot body,i have come to the conclussion that i will race the mcallister body in both the 13.5 and 17.5 class.
There will be no dault i will be the only one who will race the mcallister cot body in my class at my local track,and i will catch alot of slack for doing so,( which is fine with me) people will notice when i win the mains changes are comming even if we racers like it or not THE C.O.T. BODY will be the future in rc oval racing

as i sit here holding a COT in one hand typing with the other,thinking.......YOUR CRAZY!!!!!

these things are as big as the 90's oval bodies and ugly as could be.I in no way shape or form want to be like nascar and i don't see why rc cars have to be like them.i would rather see oval racing switch over 2 vintage trans am type cars b4 the COT.

Get Rid Of The Splitter And It Would Be A Good Body

i kinda liked the splitter, hated how wide it was and hated the wing.

I kind of find it funny that most people who don't like the regular McAllister bodies, seem to not like how narrow they are in the back end...yet the COT bodies are too wide for them...LOL

I admit - they do LOOK huge - about 8.125 at the front wheel opening and 8.625 or so at the rear.

If I get all my other cars and 'stuff' together I'm going to build a car w/ a COT body to run on the VELODROME this weekend...just to see how it does.

I've found a couple ideas/options for the wing.

I have a wing off of Protoform SILVERADO body that has the mounting part of the wing...plus I'm going to mount a wing with Eric's mounts (DARKSIDE) and see which I like better.

if you start beating them with a cot body when they are racing nascar bodies you must have been beating them by atleast 2 laps with the nascar body! my 21.5 lipo cot car is fast but its also a handfull to drive where i drive a 10.5 with a 3000 windtunnel pack and a charger body and its a dream to drive same chasis, tires and spring combo.

Don't want to interrupt the open conversation and opinions on the COT bodies, but it seems that many are not aware that we have a second COT out now, #249 Impala COT. The original #235 COT body was intended to be very generic, be big enough to fit any width on Pan Cars (8" wide front, 8 1/4" rear) and test the waters on using a COT body.

The new Impala COT is much smaller over-all and fits very well to current Pan Cars-7 3/4" wide at the front wheels and 8" at the rear. The front nose and hood are sharply detailed for the Impala which seems to be the best looking of the different brands. If you have any interest in the COT bodies, please check out our Impala COT before passing judgement on our COT bodies. Pictures are on our website.

Thanks

Gary McAllister

Hi gary
Very well said gary :) looking at the protoform charger and your new cot body there isnt much difference is size and, i will agree before passing judgment aleast give it a try.

Don't want to interrupt the open conversation and opinions on the COT bodies, but it seems that many are not aware that we have a second COT out now, #249 Impala COT. The original #235 COT body was intended to be very generic, be big enough to fit any width on Pan Cars (8" wide front, 8 1/4" rear) and test the waters on using a COT body.

The new Impala COT is much smaller over-all and fits very well to current Pan Cars-7 3/4" wide at the front wheels and 8" at the rear. The front nose and hood are sharply detailed for the Impala which seems to be the best looking of the different brands. If you have any interest in the COT bodies, please check out our Impala COT before passing judgement on our COT bodies. Pictures are on our website.

Thanks

Gary McAllister
i was talking about the old cot body and they are just a little harder to get them to rotate thru the corners compared to the nascar bodies. havent tried the new one yet i will have to take a look!

I think there may be a place for them. Its not a bad looking body,but I would prefer to keep using the nascar style bodies.

I think there may be a place for them. Its not a bad looking body,but I would prefer to keep using the nascar style bodies.

do mean the COY? Car of Yesterday LOL:thumbsup:

I wonder if protoform decides to make a new pan car body what will it be?
A body that isnt newer then a 2006 or 2007?
or a body that is up with the times meaning 2008 and beon.so protoform what will it be?

at our local track we have a CoT class that we run either body ... i wish the newer CoT body wasnt just the chevy =\ being a ford fan ... but the way the new one fist is pretty tight ... the old just looks wide ...
props to mcAllister for this body ... Rob Landers

they are just a little harder to get them to rotate thru the cornersSame complaint the "real" NA$CAR drivers have about their full-scale version. They push too much, just not enough downforce on the nose. The "current" R/C bodies look to me almost like Super Late Model bodies down here in Florida...:)

Just a few more tid bits of info that might help.

As you can probably tell, we're feeling our way throught the COT process ourselves. There are some spec series around the country that are using the #235 COT body since that was our first version. Most likely they will phase into the #249 Impala COT since it fits the current Pan Cars a little tighter. However some may still prefer the wider body. We appreciate those that are being patient with us going throught this process.

We feel the Impala COT worked out really well and I think everbody that tries it will like the detail and scale look. I don't think there will be a problem decaling the Impala as other brands such as the Fusion. We have the Detail Decals for the Impala, Fusion, Charger and Toyota. We will probably do some new molds with specific details for the other brands as time goes on.

As for the handling characteristics. Some initially were concerned if the stock wing would be enough. Well, as you see here, the COT bodies tend to have a little push when you are used to the old car. So, actually the rear wing is not only plenty, most likely you will want to trim the rear kickup on the wing, down pretty far. Just like the full size cars, set ups will change and racers will figure out what it takes to go fast. It probably still would not be appropriate to run the COT and old bodies in the same class. Again that will take some time to sort out. It will just depend on how much your local racing wants to reflect the current look of Sprint Cup.

Please Email or call us with any questions or concerns.

Thanks

Gary McAllister.....McAllister Racing

Just got two COT bodies, great use of lexan by putting wing pieces in the wheel wells. Do you recommend doubled sided tape or screws to mount wing?

Easy body to mask, clean lines. Thx
Tom

Hi Tom-

When mounting the wing with the stock mounts it's probably best to use bolts and nuts and maybe servo tape as well. Servo tape by itself may be a little iffy, unless you never crash. lol
Also the brackets are on a formed body so the material has thinned a little when formed. If you have some sheet lexan you might make your own, using the formed ones as a temlpate.

Did you get the Impalas?

Gary McAllister

hey tom what CoT cars u gonna make ? im intrested in seening em ... your other cars looked mint cant wait to see em .. Rob landers

Hey y'all, Here's a little trick I have done to mine.. I replaced the stock "put together" wing with a touring car wing. Also, I mounted my wing up on the rear deck and cut ball ends for use as the mount. It was tested yesterday on a superspeedway and held the track great.. I also plan on trying the HPI touring wing to see if there's a difference between them..

pat

Spec COT class...I'm the race director for my local track and the COT body has created a spec pan car class for us locally. Let me ask all of you your thoughts as far as the body rules. The current body height rule from ROAR is 4.25" however the "real" COT cars are higher than the previous bodies. Should the rules be changed to a higher body height to follow Nascar? Please tell me your thoughts.

Isn't the ROAR rule mainly only a minimum? Seems like it wouldn't matter if it's high.

Matt

Isn't the ROAR rule mainly only a minimum? Seems like it wouldn't matter if it's high.

Matt

The minimum height is what I'm referring too..Should the COT body have a higher minimum body height or should it be left at the current 4.25"?

Oh...maybe instead of that, just add a rule that says something to the effect of: "If COT body is used, front splitter must remain intact". That way, you don't need any new/different tech equipment or measuring. Just look and see if the splitter's still on there.

Matt

The old Nascar (last years) full scale body had a height of 51 inches and 1/10th scale of that makes it 4.25 inches.
The new COT full scale car is 53.5 inches high and 1/10th scale of that would make it 4.50 inches high. So Yes, the COT IMO should be 4 1/2" high.

Using the same formula as above.................the full scale front splitter is 1/2" so 1/10th of that would be 1.27mm :) So I guess as long as the slpitter stays intact on the body, thickness should not be an issue.

At least that is my take..................talked to Gary from McAllister at length today and he agrees 100%...........................keep splitter any thickness and must be 4.50 inches tall. "Cut lines" are not an issue at all if the 2 items above are used.

I love looks of the COT body cant wait to run one.

what track u run at ? running this spec an where is it info would be good ... always intrested in traveling for some good racing ..
also lenny do u race a CoT clasS?

i to am from maine .. an 3 tracks i know have this CoT spec class .. rob landers

Yes, I run the class. Has become VERY popular over the last season.

We run any pan car chassis but we have to run "Spec" batteries, motors, and tires and the McAllister COT body. Makes for a fun and inexpensive class. I happen to really like the body...................think it looks great and as Gary McAllister says.......hope someone like ROAR hurries up and makes a "spec" for it so it doesn't get out of control like the last body did. Agree 100%!

I run at the Cumberland County R/C Raceway located at Ray & Robin's Hobby Center in Falmouth, Maine.

cumberlandrc.com

Is this only going to be a spec clase body are is it going to be the body we all run eventually?

lenny u guys have a race coming up soon ? i so wish falmouth raced on nites other then tuesday =\ makjes so hard for me to come down ,the people i know race thier sya u guys hussle through the racing rather quick so i might make it down for a tuesday an pay for it the next day ...

Just my 2 cents worth. Over the Years of Racing R/C Cars, McAllister has always provided the Best Customer Service and stood behind his Product. I have been idle for over ayear in R/C but if I picked it up tomorrow I would go with a McAllister Body just for the customer support.Did I mention how much more durable they are over other Bodies, Less Cracking by far! AL Huie, (fastleft1) Hampton, Va.

lenny u guys have a race coming up soon ? i so wish falmouth raced on nites other then tuesday =\ makjes so hard for me to come down ,the people i know race thier sya u guys hussle through the racing rather quick so i might make it down for a tuesday an pay for it the next day ...

We would very much like gor you to down one night. The COT class is becoming very popular! There is a large array of chassis in the class, hyperdrive, Assosiated, KSG, CW and more. Where abouts in ME are you?

norway i work at kbs with rex an josh i run a ripmotorsports chassis
its a affordable class to run just need a few ground rules to set into stone .. cuz atm every place has thier own house rules on body an wing mount ... would be nice to set up a CoT class to run a couple places around newengland if people where intrested in travelin .. an other tracks would be willin to host the tour ..

norway i work at kbs with rex an josh i run a ripmotorsports chassis
its a affordable class to run just need a few ground rules to set into stone .. cuz atm every place has thier own house rules on body an wing mount ... would be nice to set up a CoT class to run a couple places around newengland if people where intrested in travelin .. an other tracks would be willin to host the tour ..

I agree with the common rules! We had a discussion about trimming the bodies on the "cut lines" with which IMO I totally disagree with. Cut lines have really never been followed, they are just there to trim the body prior to slamming it the way you want.
I am attaching a pic I took with my phone off my TV today show Dale Jr. practicing. It shows how well they follow the cut lines.........LMAO

Lenny

I've thought out the Body rules for the last week for the COT class. I'll post the complete rules tonight on cumberlandrc.com. I hope the other tracks in Maine running the class will follow to keep it simple for all the tracks.

so how do u guys feel about cutting the rear out im against it ... its a CoT car so why not leave it like the CoT cars an leave the rear and what about a chassis height u guys feel it is needed ? or any chassis height is cool ?

Seems if you ask 10 guys you get 50/50. All I know is this................it has been legal and accepted practice with the original Nascar car AND truck body to cut out the rear for years now.
Nascar switches to the COT and all of a sudden there are peeps wanting to make all these changes????? I have no idea why?

Plain and simple, no matter what rules you have in place..............the cream will ALWAYS rise to the top, simple as that. So why do we need to re-invent the wheel????????

Rant over...........LOL

As far as chassis height...........all I can see needed is to go with existing rules and have a "minimum" height so as to protect the carpet we race on.

Lenny

Here's one of the 'original' COT cars - at the Ca. Velodrome~ (NOTE: It's running a spoiler in this pic. With the wing that way the driver had it mounted the car could not stay on the track at velo speeds...and this was the 'quick fix' at the track.)

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p118/RCMits/Southwest%20Tour/velo0120.jpg

Just a couple thoughts on standardization...

Every once in a while there is an oportunity to establish an even playing feild for equipment that makes for closer racing. The COT body is one of those oportunities. It's like a clean sheet of paper to start from. Also keep in mind, what ever rules are set, it will then be the same for everybody.

In the past, wings and odd cut outs on the back of the bodies were allowed that were not consistant with the full scale race cars. Yes, it does improve the handling characteristics, but again if "everybody" didn't do those things, the racing would still be equal, racers would figure out how to make the cars work and they would look more realistic. We might actually have to drive the cars more.

Keeping the rear of the body intact, and using the stock wing in the proper position for the COT bodies and keeping the rules consistant would go a long way in keeping everybody consistant around the country so traveling racers would not have problems racing with each other. Wing mounts, wing angle and the cut of the rear kickup would be the racers choice for tuning the handling.

I think this is a golden oportunity to standardize the aerodynamics juat like the full size Cup Cars. Look how adamant Nascar is about changing things on the COT cars.

Gary McAllister

i totally agree with you gray an thanks for the awesome product once again .. i have been siting down an an type up a guide line based off prior rules an adding CoT body specs to it .. i would love to see a 12 race tour kick up ... with difrnt tracks shapes an sizes that would be willing to do it for a points season .... this is by far the best class up in jay most turn out each week ... i think with some great ground rules it can move to a wonderful spec class ...

http://photos.hobbytalk.com/data/510/thumbs/DSCF0065.JPG (http://photos.hobbytalk.com/showphoto.php/photo/26933)

http://photos.hobbytalk.com/data/510/thumbs/DSCF00621.JPG (http://photos.hobbytalk.com/showphoto.php/photo/26932)

Are those decals on the cars above ? Or are they masked and painted ?

Could not agree more! Thanks for all you help and your great products. :thumbsup:

If "everyone" would run exactly the same rules, we could have some awesome racing track to track:)

Lenny


Just a couple thoughts on standardization...

Every once in a while there is an oportunity to establish an even playing feild for equipment that makes for closer racing. The COT body is one of those oportunities. It's like a clean sheet of paper to start from. Also keep in mind, what ever rules are set, it will then be the same for everybody.

In the past, wings and odd cut outs on the back of the bodies were allowed that were not consistant with the full scale race cars. Yes, it does improve the handling characteristics, but again if "everybody" didn't do those things, the racing would still be equal, racers would figure out how to make the cars work and they would look more realistic. We might actually have to drive the cars more.

Keeping the rear of the body intact, and using the stock wing in the proper position for the COT bodies and keeping the rules consistant would go a long way in keeping everybody consistant around the country so traveling racers would not have problems racing with each other. Wing mounts, wing angle and the cut of the rear kickup would be the racers choice for tuning the handling.

I think this is a golden oportunity to standardize the aerodynamics juat like the full size Cup Cars. Look how adamant Nascar is about changing things on the COT cars.

Gary McAllister

Masked and painted.
Tom

Are those decals on the cars above ? Or are they masked and painted ?

I think this COT Body and the Class it has created will give a rebirth to the sport. When I started in late 80's in maine I raced at 3 tracks every week with the same car. Now you can do that again. From the experienced racer to the newbie all on the same playing field it's back to drivers ability and basic setup. That's racing at it's purest form!!

ever wonder why the ford decals dont come with tail lights ? an all the others do ? any info on why this is ?

Eastcider-

We have a limited size and space on our decal sheets to coordinate with our other decals sheets when being printed. The Fusion grill work is very large compared to the others so there was no room for the tail lights.

Gary McAllister

..to funny, I run the FUSION and never noticed...

(although I chop the back end off the FUSIONS pretty bad...and bob the quarter panels)

My COT... a charger...
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k231/ARMYof1_01/PICT0011.jpg

Army of 1 - that looks HOT!

Which TC wing is that?

My COT... a charger...


Man Pat, you go through bodies faster than anyone I've ever met. That one is HOT though.

Is that body version on the shelf at the shop? I may have to pick one of those up now.