Just wanted to get everyones input that will be running 21.5/Lipo class this summer. We have talked alot about what people would like to see for rules, but we haven't had everyone at the same time. Just thought that everyone could post input here. Also have a poll for what you all would like to see for a battery rule.

I know ROAR is going to have an approval process, why not use their guidelines, like we did with sub Cs for years and years. I haven't really looked at what is out there and prices yet so maybe someone has a little better idea on the cost issue.

I would not be opposed to runnig a spec LiPO pack, if that is what the majority want to do.

Many other tracks/groups (including ARCOR) have already settled on the Orion Carbon 3200 pack for their rules.

As I have said in other posts, that battery is awesome -- WAAAAYYYY more than enough battery for 21.5 class, and it's $25 less than the 3600.

Also -- Orion has stated that the 3600 is not a replaclement for the 3200 -- the 3200 will be manufactured for at least another year. I really wanted to see this class stay as inexpensive as possible. I think we should follow the lead of the other successful oval LiPo groups and tracks (Southwest Tour, etc.) and stick with the 3200.

I also think we DEFINETELY should have a spec pack like the other successful oval LiPo groups so that this class doesn't get out of control like 4-cell is now.

We have the chance to do this one right -- LiPo is awesome and we don't want to mess up a good thing ! :thumbsup:

I have a Common Sence (Spelling) 4400 pack but I would be more than willing to get a Orion 3200 if that will be the battery of choice for now. If need be in the future to change I am sure by then we will need a new LiPo...
I plan to use mine as reciever packs for my 1/4 scale cars in the summer!!!...

DD

I have a 3200 and that battery is awesome -- more than enough battery for 21.5 class and it's less than the 3600. I vote for the 3200.

I totally agree will keeping the costs down. I don't like spending hundreds a year on batteries. I have no problem running the 3200, but if they are going to be only making them for another year why not use the 3600 right away? But that is why I started this thread, I want to see what you all have to say and what you all would like to do this summer. Would just like to see guide lines in place so we all know what we have to deal with.

We are running the 3200 carbon at 2 tracks down here in FLA with the 21.5, this battery is more battery that we can use. At one track, about 270 ft, lower banked asphalt when I recharge after a 5 min. run, the batter takes about 1400 to 1500 mah. At the other track about 200+ ft flat asphat, my recharge is 1200 to 1300 mah.

I am not recommending 5 min vs 4 min, just that is what the tracks decided, all it does is use more tires.

Midwest, for some reason, the email I sent you with the photos was "undeliverable" and returned. Would you please resend me you email address.

I totally agree will keeping the costs down. I don't like spending hundreds a year on batteries. I have no problem running the 3200, but if they are going to be only making them for another year why not use the 3600 right away? But that is why I started this thread, I want to see what you all have to say and what you all would like to do this summer. Would just like to see guide lines in place so we all know what we have to deal with.

I said "at least" another year -- maybe longer.

Other groups have made the same decision as well -- to stay with the 3200 for 2008. I think that's the way to go as well. We don't need to start jumping on the "new battery of the month" wagon in LiPo right out of the gate :-)

I don't really have a problem with either one -- but the 3200 is a great battery and it has an excellent track record -- lots of guys running it and tons of laps on it.

I said "at least" another year -- maybe longer.



You really believe an R/C company when they say things like that? If they told you they were going to stop making it in a month or that they already stopped how many of the packs in the market place or in there warehouse would they sell? Not many!

The 3600 performing better is more preception than reality. You will do more to hurt guys buying in if you say it is going to be 3200 and 2 months later the truth comes out that Orion has discontinued the 3200 and now you have to allow it cause there aren't any available.

I don't race at Tri-Clone but we are struggling with this decision at our locak track also!

With us only running 4 min. we should be fine with the 3200. They are more available at this time, and cheaper. I don't have a problem with them, just don't want to go out and buy any til we figure out what is going to be legal to run. Just want the playing field to be equal for all.

With us only running 4 min. we should be fine with the 3200. They are more available at this time, and cheaper. I don't have a problem with them, just don't want to go out and buy any til we figure out what is going to be legal to run. Just want the playing field to be equal for all.

We will be more than fine. There are tracks where they run the 17.5 motor with the 3200 pack ! When I recharge it after a 4-min run, I am only putting back 950-1100 mah ! So we're only using about 1/3 of the runtime anyway. If I have the gearing right and the chassis is good, the pack is always at 7.7 volts or higher after the run.

Goodwrench, do you think that the 3200 will work ok on the big track? We should have plenty of runtime, correct?

Goodwrench, do you think that the 3200 will work ok on the big track? We should have plenty of runtime, correct?

With the 21.5 motor I can't see a problem -- esp. since we run 4 min.

The 3600 is only 400 mah more anyway. Of course, until we hang some huge sprockets on it and try it we won't really know, but I can't see a problem.

I was at my local hobby store today looking at some things when the discustion trurned to LiPo's, I was told that the Orion 3600 would be out next week. I guess before I get a 3200 I would like a some what final word on what will be the legal battery inside and outside.
I know that this is not what I said in an earlier post, but I was unaware that the 3600 would be out so soon. I to would only like to buy 1 type of battery!!!...


Dave D

I myself have both packs, and can't see a difference between the two in power because the motor and esc are only going to allow so much. IMO I think we should cap it at 3600 just like BRL does with NIMH rule and has 4200 max. That way nobody could complain about not being able to get this or that pack. I don't know much about set-ups obviously but both packs are about the same. Trackside had the 3600 or $115.00 and I paid around $90 for 3200.

I will talk with Dave J. and Dave H. at the track this weekend to get the final word on what we will be running. I will post here all the info I find out. :thumbsup:

21.5 lipo all the way

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :) 3200 lipo to

I will talk with Dave J. and Dave H. at the track this weekend to get the final word on what we will be running. I will post here all the info I find out. :thumbsup:

I have nothing against Dave H., but how is it that he will be determining what is going to be run ?

Just curious. I haven't been involved with the way rules are decided at Triclone.

Thx

I have nothing against Dave H., but how is it that he will be determining what is going to be run ?

Just curious. I haven't been involved with the way rules are decided at Triclone.

Thx

He stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

Huh ???

He stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

I stayed at one last week does that count???...

DD

Dave H. is going to be racing 21.5 w/lipo. So I though to get his input also.

With all of the negitive comments about LiPo when Jeff and I asked about it and the negitive feed back from some of the racers at WB it sure seems like a up and coming class. I for one am glad to see it grow so quickly...


Dave D

Originally Posted by TeamGoodwrench
I have nothing against Dave H., but how is it that he will be determining what is going to be run ?

I'm surprised you guys didn't figger it out "more voltage=livelier sheep"
Also he is on the rules committee.....................................

Originally Posted by TeamGoodwrench
I have nothing against Dave H., but how is it that he will be determining what is going to be run ?

I'm surprised you guys didn't figger it out "more voltage=livelier sheep"
Also he is on the rules committee.....................................

Ok.. thx.

I wasn't aware of a "rules committee".

[QUOTE=haysreeling "more voltage=livelier sheep"[/QUOTE]

And how do you know this???...

DD

"more voltage=livelier sheep"

And how do you know this???...

DD

Ok.. thx.

I wasn't aware of a "rules committee".

Sr was joking lol. Most of the time I cant tell if Sr is serious or joking let alone stuff he types online lol.

Oh by the way Bob..... I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance.

DD its just common cents.
Hays, now that you saved all that money on car insurance, you can get more food and wheels for Hays the 7th.
The Rules Committee has reached a desicsion, it will be 3200's until they are not available any more.
Go Patriots, I don't want to hear anymore about the '72 Dolphins and their friggin' champagne celebration anymore!
Lloyd, did you have to work yesterday?

((LLloyd, did you have to work yesterday?))

Apparently Sr. didn't stay at the Holiday Inn Express with Bob either!!! LOL

There you have it. 3200's it will be. One other question I have for the guys that have been running the lipo already, what are you running for car weight? Are you running at the normal weight for 4 cell or are you running it lighter?

Dave J and Triclone mafia has spoken. Dave J gave me some money last weekend and I was followed out to my car, I'm now fearing for my safety. Its the quiet guys drinking busch light you gotta watch out for.

So I guess you guys are going to replace the 13.5 class with the lipo class. I haven't paid any attention to roar but what will be the classes at the nats this summer. I also don't know what they are planning to do down here at Storm Steel and M-town, think maybe AJ has been experimenting at Vinton with a Lipo. What's a guy going to need about a 75 tooth pinion

So I guess you guys are going to replace the 13.5 class with the lipo class. I haven't paid any attention to roar but what will be the classes at the nats this summer. I also don't know what they are planning to do down here at Storm Steel and M-town, think maybe AJ has been experimenting at Vinton with a Lipo. What's a guy going to need about a 75 tooth pinion

The 13.5 class is far from being replaced. If only a few 4300 guys show up they run 13.5 as well.. It is still the largest class every week, and should continue for quite some time... The lipo class is going to be more like a spec type class for guys who are tired of dumping money on betteries.. The more competitive guys are still going to stick to standard batteries.. The national standard is still NIMH, and until it isnt there will be classes for everyone to run..

One side note, a few people seem to be beating the lipo stuf down peoples throats. Thats not the way to do it.. Just support the class and see how things pan out.. If the class count is up, and it worth switching ill be that way as well. But until then its to new for me to switch. I prefer to race in a class with a more stable class count. Plus i can finish the season without having to dump any money on a battery ,motor, and charger.. Glad to see lots of diff people posting on it.. Thats a good sign it should grow.. Remeber tho Its one thing to be pro lipo, but its another to be pro lipo and anti everything else..

Yes -- I've posted before that I don't see LiPo as a replacement of 4-cell -- it's another alternative. I think both can continue successfully.

There you have it. 3200's it will be. One other question I have for the guys that have been running the lipo already, what are you running for car weight? Are you running at the normal weight for 4 cell or are you running it lighter?

I've been running at about 39 ounces. Most of the tracks that run 21.5 LiPo are running between 38 and 41 ounces. But I've been trying to find out what weight the car wants and go from there -- at 39 ounces there is almost no tire wear.

Sounds good. When I get everything I need, I'll start at around that weight and see how things go. Thanks

I've been running at about 39 ounces. Most of the tracks that run 21.5 LiPo are running between 38 and 41 ounces. But I've been trying to find out what weight the car wants and go from there -- at 39 ounces there is almost no tire wear.

Jeff,
What does it weigh without adding any weight? ie, how much do you need to add to get to 38 or 39?

I'll have to look, but I think I added between a half and a full ounce of lead -- plus the Sphere heat sink.

Does using a Lipo make any of the electronics heat up more, compared to running 4 cell?

I've never checked the temp of my Sphere... just glad it keeps going with all that voltage going through it ! When the car is good, the motor is about 120 to 130 deg.

Does using a Lipo make any of the electronics heat up more, compared to running 4 cell?

I would assume no because you are drawing less amps and more voltage? A lipo 3200 is max. 20C discharge = 64 amps. I know nicad and nimh can pump out over 100 amps burst. I would bet that electronics will run cooler. Can probably get away with smaller wire gauge without any negative effects???

[QUOTE=burbs]The 13.5 class is far from being replaced. If only a few 4300 guys show up they run 13.5 as well.. It is still the largest class every week, and should continue for quite some time... The lipo class is going to be more like a spec type class for guys who are tired of dumping money on betteries.. The more competitive guys are still going to stick to standard batteries.. The national standard is still NIMH, and until it isnt there will be classes for everyone to run..

Oh I was just curious I really like the 13.5 class the way it has been. I don't really care what anyone runs just so I can be on the same page when I get up there this summer

I've never checked the temp of my Sphere... just glad it keeps going with all that voltage going through it ! When the car is good, the motor is about 120 to 130 deg.

It is probably not if the Sphere is going to flame up but when :freak:
I have had two go this year...GTB for me :thumbsup:

So ... how many 21.5 LiPo cars are coming on Sat. ??

Enough for a class again ? or are we running them along with the 13.5 4-cell ?

Mike and I were planning to run 21.5 LiPo but a thing called WORK( I hate that word) changed that!!!...


DD

So ... how many 21.5 LiPo cars are coming on Sat. ??

Enough for a class again ? or are we running them along with the 13.5 4-cell ?

I know Mark L is coming up.