Moe and Mon,

Licensing fees may prohibit it, but would Dr. F and Dr. Praetorius in same scale as Bride be remote possibilities? Maybe even a Frank in same scale? Licensing, I know...

Also...how about your own takes on Bama's boxart kits in 1/8 styrene? Not just monsters, either...again, licensing... :(

So Moebius.........I have to ask........is an injection Nautilus (with detailed interior and figures) a real possibility?

So Moebius.........I have to ask........is an injection Nautilus (with detailed interior and figures) a real possibility?

This may not be the answer you're looking for, but it is waaay more possible than any 2001 kits would be....

Any chance for generic zombie kits? It'd be cool to have an Aurora-esque kit of a couple of zombies in a cemetery with one digging its way out of a grave. Now, add to that a frightened female figure with gravestones and rats, spiderwebs, and bats and WOW! :eek:

Any chance for generic zombie kits? It'd be cool to have an Aurora-esque kit of a couple of zombies in a cemetery with one digging its way out of a grave. Now, add to that a frightened female figure with gravestones and rats, spiderwebs, and bats and WOW! :eek:

I agree with the Prof (in a way). I'd like to see a generic "White Zombie" or "Plague of the Zombie" style kit. No licensing fees....

Is that Pete Townshend?

Uh, no, Frank. But now that you mention it, how about Ann-Margret slathering herself in baked beans in this classic scene from Tommy?

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This may not be the answer you're looking for, but it is waaay more possible than any 2001 kits would be....

I know that's probably not saying much either since my completely mis-guided internet-driven understanding is that the license holders for 2001 aren't even interested in having that conversation. Though the licensing might be too high to afford, at leaset Disney will talk to you.

In the end, I think you end up selling faaaar more copies of a Disney Nautilus than of a Moonbus (especially if you had to call it something else to avoid licensing entanglements).

BTW, who owns the rights to 2001 these days?

John O.

BTW, who owns the rights to 2001 these days?

John O.

That's where the problem comes in, print rights or merchandising rights? There's so much more to it than you probably imagine. You'd think the same studio would own or license the films they have released, but it's not always the case. Such as 2001. Merchandise rights for this are tied to the Kubrick estate, where print rights belong to the studio. Many films are like this, and licensing is a nightmare.

Uh, no, Frank. But now that you mention it, how about Ann-Margret slathering herself in baked beans in this classic scene from Tommy?

http://bp1.blogger.com/_RPCOzRg_voc/Re3R8G6yQEI/AAAAAAAAAJk/v7jGZchWuMg/s400/ann-margret.jpg

Mmmmm... Baked Beans.....

how about a 1/350 enterprise covered in baked beans:woohoo:

How about a kit from "The Nightmare of the Cash-Eating Licensing Zombies"?

Too expensive to produce...
Chris.

OK....thats it....you silly english types go away!
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...how about Ann-Margret slathering herself in baked beans in this classic scene from Tommy?

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I dearly love when film-makers attempt something challenging and fail. Tim Burton comes to mind and there's a nobility in risks taken that fall flat. BUT this scene is so self-indulgent and artistically masterbatory (drunk Ann-Margret rolling around in baked beans and champagne foam) that it's just plain stupid. How much pot was being smoked and nose candy tooted when they came up with that idea?

John O.

Does any male Who fan, movie fan, or Ken Russel fan actually care how banal that scene is? I seruiously doubt any of us fast-forward around it in distaste. :lol:

^ Both points well taken. ;)

Does any male Who fan, movie fan, or Ken Russel fan actually care how banal that scene is? I seruiously doubt any of us fast-forward around it in distaste. :lol:On the contrary, I'm sure there are many old VHS copies of Tommy in which that scene is worn out and full of dropouts from being played repeatedly!

And 34-year-old Ann-Margret playing the MOTHER of 31-year-old Roger Daltrey? Well, what did we expect from a Ken Russell film? "Excessive" isn't in the man's vocabulary.

And now, back to our regularly scheduled topic. . .

Does any male Who fan, movie fan, or Ken Russel fan actually care how banal that scene is? I seruiously doubt any of us fast-forward around it in distaste. :lol:

No, I wouldn't FF through it, but seriously it's about as sexy as a trainwreck, maybe just as thought provoking. I'm more inclined to be distracted by imagining the means of arriving at deep stupidity on film (aka "the creative process") and all the doped/high'd up people on set spending time and money to make merely weird-wannabe. Thus it's hard to find anything interesting about a Ann-Margret writhing in baked beans. It's just stupid and not fun stupid, either. So ..ummm ...back on topic ...ya ...I'd have pass on a kit commemoration of that scene, thanks.

John O.

So ..ummm ...back on topic ...ya ...I'd have pass on a kit commemoration of that scene, thanks.

John O.

I'll keep trying. Looking for a pic of Franklin Pangborn right now.:)

Okay, I take it back. I just showed the scene to some of my students (praise be to Youtube) and it is deeply funny, but not because it's supposed to be. There was much laughter. oh ya, and it's still stupid. LOL.

John O.

No, I wouldn't FF through it, but seriously it's about as sexy as a trainwreck. . . That's a matter of opinion!I'm more inclined to be distracted by imagining the means of arriving at deep stupidity on film (aka "the creative process") and all the doped/high'd up people on set spending time and money to make merely weird-wannabe.Analysis, discussion and speculation as to "What were they thinking?" regarding bad movies, or stupid scenes in movies, is an entire topic in itself.


http://www.hobbytalk.com/bbs1/attachment.php?attachmentid=53601&stc=1&d=1202315736[/IMG-LEFT]Thus it's hard to find anything interesting about a Ann-Margret writhing in baked beans.On second thought, maybe you're right. I prefer her writhing in paint, in 1966's [I]The Swinger.

And NOW, back to our regularly scheduled topic . . .

That's where the problem comes in, print rights or merchandising rights? There's so much more to it than you probably imagine. You'd think the same studio would own or license the films they have released, but it's not always the case. Such as 2001. Merchandise rights for this are tied to the Kubrick estate, where print rights belong to the studio. Many films are like this, and licensing is a nightmare.

So how about licensing the rights to 2010? We could still get the Discovery and Shuttle Pods, plus the Leonov.

No? How about ACCURATE dinosaurs? Not monsters, like the old Aurora line or the Polar Lights ones. Get somebody like Tony McVey to make the masters. Market them to every museum gift shop that displays dinosaurs. They will sell forever. No licensing fees.

Figure kits based on DC comics characters?

Some things from Alien have been done to death, like Alien figure kits, the Dropship, APC. But there is a desparate want for many other vehicles, like the Nostromo, the refinery, and the Betty.

Best of luck with your company! Please never sell out to RC2!

On second thought, maybe you're right. I prefer her writhing in paint, in 1966's The Swinger.

Oh Yeah!

Must. Rent. The Swinger. :eek:

On second thought, maybe you're right. I prefer her writhing in paint, in 1966's The Swinger.

WOW. Adding that to Netflix queue ...right away!

BTW, this reminds me of the two girls who lived down the hall from me in college who used to show me their photos of themselves naked-and-covered-in-paint. Not kidding. Do you think they were coming on to me? :freak:

John O.

Ok. Serious proposal. Although I know it's late in the game - Iron Man. From what I've seen, I can't imagine that the movie will tank (which means sequels) and the armor is faithful enough that even old farts like me would still want to build one. In fact, I'd love to see a kit of the Mach 1 armor as well.

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So how about licensing the rights to 2010? We could still get the Discovery and Shuttle Pods, plus the Leonov.

No? How about ACCURATE dinosaurs? Not monsters, like the old Aurora line or the Polar Lights ones. Get somebody like Tony McVey to make the masters. Market them to every museum gift shop that displays dinosaurs. They will sell forever. No licensing fees.

Figure kits based on DC comics characters?

Some things from Alien have been done to death, like Alien figure kits, the Dropship, APC. But there is a desparate want for many other vehicles, like the Nostromo, the refinery, and the Betty.

Best of luck with your company! Please never sell out to RC2!





Couple of interesting things there and I forgot about 2010!

This may not be the answer you're looking for, but it is waaay more possible than any 2001 kits would be....


Well I wouldn't turn my nose up at a Nautilus! As for 2001......well what about unlicensed? I don't think fans of the film will care if the title 2001 is on the box, as long as we had an Aries or a Discovery etc?

Ooooh, never heard of that! Got a pic or a link?
Even though I was not a big fan of the movie I would like to see a kit of Godzilla form Ferris Buellers movie. ( :p )
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Would love to see some Wild Wild West models. Maybe a version of the train with lab and living quarters. Some nice figures of West, Gordon and Loveless would be great.:thumbsup:

Of course a new J2 would be great with full interior of course with lots of extra room for customizing.

Well I wouldn't turn my nose up at a Nautilus! As for 2001......well what about unlicensed? I don't think fans of the film will care if the title 2001 is on the box, as long as we had an Aries or a Discovery etc?It's one thing for GK producers to make and sell a dozen resin kits a year of a movie or TV subject without paying a license fee or royalties. A run of a few thousand styrene kits -- that's another matter. Even without any specific references to copyrighted titles or characters, the spacecraft designs themselves may also be subject to licensing. Can anyone say, "Cease-and-Desist Order"?

Is there a lawyer in the house?

How about the Nostromo from Alien?

Mike

It's one thing for GK producers to make and sell a dozen resin kits a year of a movie or TV subject without paying a license fee or royalties. A run of a few thousand styrene kits -- that's another matter.

Anyone know if the last Airfix re-issue of the Orion was specifically licensed for 2001: A Space Odyssey.

http://www.starshipmodeler.com/2001/pre_airfix_orion_box.jpg

It says "Orion 2001" on the box, but that's about it - I mean, the space station is certainly still there, but they've tarted up the bird quite a bit. Anyone know the deal?

John O.

I believe (correct me if I am wrong) that the Airfix kit was issued without direct reference to the movie because Airfix did not have the license. The kit does include the correct decals though - I know that much for sure because I have the kit.

Huzz

I believe (correct me if I am wrong) that the Airfix kit was issued without direct reference to the movie because Airfix did not have the license. The kit does include the correct decals though - I know that much for sure because I have the kit.

Huzz

As far as I know Airfix had the license for 2001, but PanAm didn`t gave them the permission to use the Logo anymore. Don`t know why, that`s just how the story has been told to me.

I have the old version WITH the PanAm-Logo... :woohoo:

How about the Nostromo from Alien?

Someone else mentioned that too. I'd love to see a better kit than was done by Halcyon. Not that the kit is all that bad "as designed", it really captures the essence of the ship, BUT soft vinyl is SOOO the wrong material for what is basically built/architectural shapes. Having to stuff the damned thing full of newspapers or foam just to keep the top and sides from caving in is a real negative selling point on the Halycon kit. I've had two of them and I really hate the vinyl for being so damned unstable.

I'd also like to see a Narcissus that renders the surface detail and engine shapes a little better, but then that’s something I get a little anal about (http://culttvman.com/john_ovington_s_narcissus_part.html).

John O.

It's one thing for GK producers to make and sell a dozen resin kits a year of a movie or TV subject without paying a license fee or royalties. A run of a few thousand styrene kits -- that's another matter. Even without any specific references to copyrighted titles or characters, the spacecraft designs themselves may also be subject to licensing. Can anyone say, "Cease-and-Desist Order"?

Is there a lawyer in the house?


I remember reading about 5 years ago that the actual ships from 2001 were in the public domain (or something similar) and that Airfix released the Orion without using the full 2001 A.S.ODYSSEY title.

As far as I know Airfix had the license for 2001, but PanAm didn`t gave them the permission to use the Logo anymore. Don`t know why, that`s just how the story has been told to me.

I have the old version WITH the PanAm-Logo... :woohoo:


It only says ORION 2001 (and surely the numbers 2001 can't be copyrighted) on the box so maybe they couldn't use the full 2001 A SPACE ODYSSEY title. I've built the Airfix Orion and I'm sure the Pan Am decals which i put on it were from the box. I have a spare up the attic so I'll go and check in the next few days.

Anyone know if the last Airfix re-issue of the Orion was specifically licensed for 2001: A Space Odyssey.

http://www.starshipmodeler.com/2001/pre_airfix_orion_box.jpg

It says "Orion 2001" on the box, but that's about it - I mean, the space station is certainly still there, but they've tarted up the bird quite a bit. Anyone know the deal?

John O.





That's the issue I have so I'll check to see if the full 2001 A.S.O title is anywhere on the box or instructions.

Someone else mentioned that too. I'd love to see a better kit than was done by Halcyon. Not that the kit is all that bad "as designed", it really captures the essence of the ship, BUT soft vinyl is SOOO the wrong material for what is basically built/architectural shapes. Having to stuff the damned thing full of newspapers or foam just to keep the top and sides from caving in is a real negative selling point on the Halycon kit. I've had two of them and I really hate the vinyl for being so damned unstable.

I'd also like to see a Narcissus that renders the surface detail and engine shapes a little better, but then that’s something I get a little anal about (http://culttvman.com/john_ovington_s_narcissus_part.html).

John O.


I was going to buy one myself but when I found out it was that vinyl stuff I didn't bother. It's about time Aoshima the new owners of Halcyon's moulds did it in injection plastic!

I was going to buy one myself but when I found out it was that vinyl stuff I didn't bother. It's about time Aoshima the new owners of Halcyon's moulds did it in injection plastic!

You can't make an injected kit from the molds used to make the vinyl kit. It's a completely different animal and would have to be re-engineered top-to-bottom ...and that's a good thing.

John O.

You can't make an injected kit from the molds used to make the vinyl kit. It's a completely different animal and would have to be re-engineered top-to-bottom ...and that's a good thing.

John O.



I 'do' know that John (I have got at least one working brain cell ya know)! As you say it should be a new tooling and in plastic.

. . . soft vinyl is SOOO the wrong material for what is basically built/architectural shapes. Having to stuff the damned thing full of newspapers or foam just to keep the top and sides from caving in is a real negative selling point on the Halycon kit. I've had two of them and I really hate the vinyl for being so damned unstable.You mean you never thought of doing a Claes Oldenburg-style "soft spaceship"?

You were saying, "It's about time Aoshima the new owners of Halcyon's moulds did it in injection plastic!". Which I read as implying the existing mold could be used for an injected kit - my mistake if that's not what you meant. I thought it was worth being clear for anyone who might not know the difference.

John O.

I believe that the Halcyon kits were injection molded styrene kits!
I know that there were several Alien related kits imported from Japan in Styrene, and I'm pretty darned sure that those were Halcyon's kits
Dave

I believe that the Halcyon kits were injection molded styrene kits!
I had the Dropship that was definantly in styrene.

You were saying, "It's about time Aoshima the new owners of Halcyon's moulds did it in injection plastic!". Which I read as implying the existing mold could be used for an injected kit - my mistake if that's not what you meant. I thought it was worth being clear for anyone who might not know the difference.

John O.


It's not what I meant but I can understand you interpreting it in that way. I should have worded it better! I think the Nostromo is the best vehicle in Alien but as usual the best stuff is the most neglected by the manufacturers and hopefully one day Aoshima will toss that vinyl Nostromo down the drain (where it belongs) and give us the ship in hard plastic as it should be.

I believe that the Halcyon kits were injection molded styrene kits!
I know that there were several Alien related kits imported from Japan in Styrene, and I'm pretty darned sure that those were Halcyon's kits
Dave





Most of them were yes but the Nostromo was definitely vinyl. I think the various antenna might have been injection or ABS plastic though.

I believe that the Halcyon kits were injection molded styrene kits!
I know that there were several Alien related kits imported from Japan in Styrene, and I'm pretty darned sure that those were Halcyon's kits
Dave

They were.

Most of them were yes but the Nostromo was definitely vinyl. I think the various antenna might have been injection or ABS plastic though.

Nostromo was "mixed media" with the main shapes of the body and engines done in vinyl as with some of their creature subjects (face hugger, anyone?). You actually have to trim away the over-pour as you would with a vinyl figure kit. In the same way, a hair dryer is handy for solving some annoying "assembly problems".

The smaller details like landing struts & feet, antenna, and rear flaps are injection molded in polystyrene and come on parts trees like a traditional kit.

The detail is very nice and the production method pretty innovative IMO, but as I noted before the tops and side walls become concave after while if the body cavities aren't filled with something...

I think this is the only Halcyon vehicle kit with any vinyl molding, the rest are injection molded polystyrene.

John O.