I watched Enterprise for the first last night on the Sci-Fi channel. Man, what a stinkeroo.

My question for you folks is, "What's with the music?"

I'm used opening credits for Sci-Fi shows to have music with a certain quality level. As soon as Enterprise started up you get a:
1. A skunk of a song.
2. Sung by a a guy who sounds like he has a bad case of constipation.
3. The song lyrics appear to have nothing to do with the show.

Either, this music represents the general "I don't give a wat fart" attitude shown with the scripts (another question maybe) or there has got to be some story behind the music (e.g. written by the producer's son-in-law).

It really makes you wonder when they create a show that stinks right from the first second of the credits. On the other hand, terrible music fit in well with the unbelievably bad story that followed.

I was so annoyed with the title music that I made this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8zokF4unJE

This was during season ones original run, I was really scratching around for shots of the ship...

Yep I agree. Music sucked big time. The best opening theme and episode IMO was "In A Mirror Darkly". It was all good. Ships, music, story.

The opening theme for "Enterprise" was originally recorded by Rod Stewart for the film "Patch Adams."

I like the song, although I prefer the original version of the theme over the needlessly remixed version they started using in season three. It has nothing specifically to do with the series, sure, but the attitude in it has a lot to do with the attitude of the show. I know some people just don't like the type of music the song represents, but it didn't bother me.

Qapla'

SSB

The song by itself is one I like.
For Trek, not so much. Although, I do agree that the attitude of the song certainly represents the attitude of the show.

I was so annoyed with the title music that I made this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8zokF4unJE

This was during season ones original run, I was really scratching around for shots of the ship...

If my ear for themes is correct, this is Judge Dread?

It is amazing what a difference that makes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA_Y5p_P5-E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s5NG1u1evA

Liked this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BydcRZ0Xe7Q

This was humorous

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK9aNg2Hj4o&feature=related

I had not seen these before. I obviously was not the only one to reach the same [obvious] conclusion. Too bad the producers [Zero Mostel and Gene Wilder?]did not as well.

it was hit or miss for me but the last 3 or 4 episodes were excellent and showed what they could have done. too bad they waited so long

If my ear for themes is correct, this is Judge Dread?



'Judge Dredd' - bigjimslade you have a good ear!
It's mostly lost under dialogue in the film...

Big Jim Slade and the rest of the gang,

It shouldn't surprise you that the quality of musical composition for movies is decreasing in general.

We are in an age where rap "musicians" become millionaires and music majors can barely afford to stay in college. People that have a deep understanding of scales and harmony aren't in demand like someone who can cuss like crazy to the beat of a drum machine. The few good composers left probably are too expensive to afford or too busy.

Just my humble opinion,
Roland

The way I see it the line " they're not going to hold me back no more" is aimed at the Vulcans, because during the run of the show the Vulcans never did like the idea of humans going out into the galaxy and explore. Until the ffourth season that is when they changed their minds.

I thought the line "they're not going to hold me back no more" was Berman & Braga's opinion about the type of show they wanted to create and it was aimed at Trek fans' need/desire for a show that more or less fit within the history of Trek as described in the previous 4 shows (exploration of space as a pioneering adventure, war with the Romulans, the "disastrous first encounter with the Klingons" that supposedly happened 50+ years from this show's timeperiod, etc.).

Face it, the overall opinion was that the fourth season more or less fit that mold but the first three seasons were Berman & Braga retelling their boring time-travel story lines.

And now it seems as if some one else has decided to pick up where Berman and Braga left off. I am speaking of course about ST XI and the recasting of all the characters from TOS using younger actors.

irishtrek posted: And now it seems as if some one else has decided to pick up where Berman and Braga left off. I am speaking of course about ST XI and the recasting of all the characters from TOS using younger actors.
Is this going to be one those "flashback/time travel" movies?
You know, Spock says: "Remember that time when Kirk and I
first met? It was at the Academy, and we encountered a rift that
transported us back to early 21st century Earth...." and they run
around Los Angeles for two hours.

We are in an age where rap "musicians" become millionaires and music majors can barely afford to stay in college.
"Do you love music? Do you want a high-paying career in the music
industry? Just press the 'Demo' button on any Casio keyboard, and
start rapping! Money and women will be yours in no time!"

the "disastrous first encounter with the Klingons" that supposedly happened 50+ years from this show's timeperiod, etc.
That's right. Because of one ambiguous line in a single episode, they are not allowed to use Klingons. I'm sorry, but it's this fanatical idea that continuity should trump drama is what is going to kill Trek.

Dude, it's not fanatical. Even if it was, hey I would've gladly taken a "disastrous encounter with the Klingons" (heck, even a mild encounter with the Klingons) 100 years before Kirk if it actually was dramatic. Point to me a single case in the pilot episode where Earth's first encounter with the "Klingots" was

1) dramatic

2) realistic (wow, who'da thunk the Klingon homeworld was 4 days away from Earth at warp 5? At that distance and given the Klingons superior firepower/decades in space Earth should've been conquered long before Archer took the helm)

3) didn't have to rely on Braga's old standby of time travel

As for "fanatical idea of continuity" killing a show ask any fan of Babylon 5, TNS Galactica or Lost whether rigid consistency killed that show. In fact, ask any ST fan who watched season 4 of Enterprise where they hated the little tips of the hat to TOS in that season.

The problem with Star Trek isn't so much rigid continuity as that it has no continuity. I can understand why no one thought along those lines in the 60s, but by the later shows someone should've gotten a clue. Perhaps sometimes in the 90s when more NASA scientists said they preferred Babylon 5 over TNG or DS9.

That's right. Because of one ambiguous line in a single episode, they are not allowed to use Klingons. I'm sorry, but it's this fanatical idea that continuity should trump drama is what is going to kill Trek.

Also, the numerous lines in "Balance of Terror" that the Romulans development of a cloaking device was new (and also energy-draining) should've been a warning that, hey, for dramatic purposes maybe we shouldn't write an entire episode of Enterprise where the Romulans not only cloak their ships, they also cloak human-sized mines.

Or the several times where Spock hinted/reluctantly shared/forced to admit in "Amok Time" that the Vulcan ritual of pon farr was extremely personal, embarrassing and rarely shared with outsiders could have been a small hint that maybe T'Pol shouldn't be freely babbling about it to multiple members of the human crew (who were not her crewmates)

Those are only two examples of continuity things that Enterprise happily trampled even though they were established by unambiguous lines.

It is interesting how much rehash there is in the various star trek episodes.

#1 has to be "The Holodeck Goes Crazy". Would I be exaggering to say that among the various ST shows, there were 30 of these episodes?

#2 Alternate Universe/Time Travel

#3 Wesley Crusher Saves the Enterprise

#4 Mind transferred to someone else's body

#5 ST 10 -- where everything was a rehash.

I'm not going to defend ENTERPRISE. They made some stupid mistakes. Among them, the idea that the Klingons were only 4 days away from Earth or the Romulans had cloaking technology. These are major problems, because they fundamentally conflicted with the basis of various TOS episodes. However, when exactly Humans first contacted the Klingons is an incidental detail. The fact that there is a long standing conflict is what's important, the exact details are up for grabs.

And exactly when was it established that Humans contacted Klingons 50 years before Kirk's time? Supposedly it is in "The Day of the Dove" but I've seen that episode twice in the last few months and I don't remember the reference. There is a line in THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY about "75 years of unremitting conflict," but that doesn't mean that we only contacted them 75 years before, just that is when the Cold War started.

However, when exactly Humans first contacted the Klingons is an incidental detail. The fact that there is a long standing conflict is what's important, the exact details are up for grabs.

I'm OK with sacrificing some continuity for dramatic purposes (or when it is done for some other higher purpose), especially for incidental details. For example, in the first season episode of B5 called Babylon Squared the future Sinclair is touched in the arm by (presumably) Delenn. That touch does not happen in the third season episode War Without End, which was the flip side of Babylon Squared. Do I care? No, because for dramatic purposes it wasn't necessary.

The problem is that Berman and Braga had such a flippant attitude about it that they trampled on something that was already established just for the heck of it. Even their own shows and even when it soiled their own characters. Are we to believe Picard would be sloppy or reckless enough to leave evidence of the Borg on Earth 200 years before they encountered humans, let alone a cell that could be revived simply by being thawed out? Why would an omnicient Q state that the events of "Q Who?" were the first time humans encountered the Borg if the events on Enterprise were true? It just doesn't make sense. That's what bothers me. It's contradictory and doesn't advance any story or any drama.

Again, maybe the problem with Trek isn't that it has too much continuity as it is that it has no continuity. Why care about something that happens in one episode if it'll be found meaningless in another?

I know that back in the 90s Paramount was accepting story ideas from fans for the Trek shows and now I'm wondering if they would do the same for a new Trek show because I've got a couple of ideas the people at Paramount have probably not thought of.

Well I really liked Enterprise and Im still pissed it got cancelled.

As far as the song, I liked it too.

And it does have to do with the show. If you watch while the song is playing, its basically about mankinds advancements over time, exploring new frontiers, and now with the first warp five ship, they are about to explore another frontier in a way they couldnt have before. It makes a lot of sense to have that song, if you ask me.