Yes, as the topic states...Im going for a new kit or at the bare minimium a conversion for a RC10L3

What Im looking at is a kit that can run carpet, and asphalt.

The ones I have looked at are:
Darkside "Enemy" Slider
KSG Gen 2 Slider
Hyperdrive Pro3 slider
and Maverick 05 H.E. Slider

What Im looking for is total adjustablity. Im not new to RC Oval, just have been away for awhile :P
So please, post...and post. Also if you could please include reasons why you like "said" chassis/kit

Thanks!

If you are looking for adjustability, the enemy has a lot to offer. Offeset servo option, standup rear shocks option, etc.. Customer support is top notch as well.

Is there any reason you are not looking at the Leading Edge 'Exterminator'? -- very reasonable cost as a conversion for the L3O/L4O family... Tons of adjustability (offset pod, offset T-bar, offset pod AND T-Bar), offset bumper to realign body with offset pod, etc, etc...

http://www.leadingedgerccars.com/Executioner.html

Lefthander RC carries them in stock...

I've been racing it's older brother (Terminator Pro) for YEARS with great success...

Leading Edge is the only way to go (IMO) if your looking for a slider( the executioner) however (IMO) the new hangman is better, Dave has put all in that kit! My 2 cents ( I have had every kit at least once) :cool:

Is there any reason you are not looking at the Leading Edge 'Exterminator'? -- very reasonable cost as a conversion for the L3O/L4O family... Tons of adjustability (offset pod, offset T-bar, offset pod AND T-Bar), offset bumper to realign body with offset pod, etc, etc...

http://www.leadingedgerccars.com/Executioner.html

Lefthander RC carries them in stock...

I've been racing it's older brother (Terminator Pro) for YEARS with great success...

I did glance at them, and yes it is considered...just forgot to put that one in. Since it seems there is so many different ones out there..I sorta forgot :P

I will also probally go with LiPo, and a brushless set-up...as it seems as the new trend is that way

Leading Edge "LIPO" Hangman is running extemely well. If you looking for a lipo ready car I have them in stock. www.windtunnelracingproducts.com (http://www.windtunnelracingproducts.com) in the leading edge section and everything else to complete the conversition if needed

Thanks for that info....Nice to see your close to Nebraska too :P

With all the chassis's out there, I should clearify why I named the ones I did.
All seem pretty close by looks, as equals...and I know they are not the same.

Some of these are silly, just bare with me.

Darkside Enemy: Was based on, the uber sexy silver carbon, the slider looked like a totally adjustable chassis, and having everything there helped. Outside of the norm for "conversion" kits. Plus the Darkside logo was a neat add-in :P Im a Star wars geek..... :)

Hyperdrive: Was based on another opinion, plus many years ago, I knew they were top notch cars. Bit pricey...but nice kits

KSG: Was off of opinion, they look alittle less adjustable, and remind me of Hyperdrive chassis.

Maverick: Was something along the lines of Darksides chassis, and of course another opinion I recieved.

Now there was two I did forget to Mention, One was the Leading Edge, and the other was Silva X-Factor 4.

Remeber back to the day when all I did was RC, I was a tourning car guy, being Losi my top favorite. I did play around with other makes, Oval, and truck/buggy offroad. Im not a fan of Gas.....I even got into Electric Heli, which Im still learning :P So I figure I should get into or back I should say into RC. So, Im looking into Oval, as that is one class I never played with. I bought a RC-10L3 Oval...and then other stuff came up, it grew more dust than you can imagine. So....long enough, Id like to try the one sport I love, and thats Nascar...which translates into Oval pan cars. I appreciate all the advice thus far. Keep posting, and Thanks!

the KSG car is probably one of the most adjustable cars on that list. maybe too much adjustability. this and the hyperdrive cars are not conversion kits for the RC10 L30/L40 cars. they come as complete kits. both have lots of adjustabilities. the maverick, leading edge cars, silva and darkside cars will all pretty much replace the carbon fiber of the RC10 cars. now, new to the market (but not released yet i dont think) is the IRS Shock Wave car. it looks pretty damn good if you ask me.

Hyperdrive and KSG are a bitpricey but they are full kits ... Everything included except electronics tires and body ... All others are Conversions...There are a lot of cars out there. Go to your local Track see what everyone is Running and which parts are most available in your area and come Race. HD Pro 3 is personal preference for me. But buy what ya like and start racing. We need more racers and it dont matter what car you buy ..

My Opinion would be go to Local track and see what is being used there and check with the LHS at track and see what parts they carries for which cars Because with out parts no racing for that week. I'm sure you take any car kit and tune it well it will run up front. I have seen a 10 L4 come and kick butt against alot of other more expensive kits.

My preference would be 1. darkside 2. hyperdrive 3. KSG or Maverick

Well, I consider myself maybe just a hair better than an average racer, but I'm not Frank, Danny, Jamie, etc, but I do fairly well. This weekend at Hensley's 13.5 race in St. Louis I ran my Maverick saturday(with some extra cutouts to promote chassis flex) and a CEFX car (which is 3mm and as stiff as a board) on Sunday. The Mav would have qualified third, the CEFX qualified second, within a second and a half of each other but they're completely diffrent chassis. The more I race the more I decide that if you're not an elite (getting those extra thousandths out each lap) all the cars are basically four wheels and a sheet of carbon fiber.

So my advice is race what you think is cool, and who treats you well. After meeting Jake Rosen, AC, DW, and the Maverick guys at the Birds I've pretty much decided that as long as they're making cars I'll be racing one of them. They're cool guys and I like their attitudes when it comes to racing. Oval is filled with great people, so find what and who you're comfortable with and you'll succeed.

Sad part is our local track doesnt have Oval, they run in the dirt.....we useto have a indoor track, till a bad situation came up and it was forced to close. The closest for me, is a 1hour drive, and Im not sure what Hobbytown in Lincoln, Nebraska carries anymore...I do know they love the Associated cars. As I have been looking into, a rented building(for next to nothing) Outside of heat and AC, and Electric used....Im almost considering starting up our own field, if that turns out. As other things will be in the building besides R/C.

So this is why, Im getting info from the net, and these forums groups. I know that a few of the choices are full kits, and some are just conversions. Either one is a option at this point. Im glad you guys are giving the nessicary feedback, Im looking for Thanks!

I like the KSG.
Has crazy adjustability, great support on HobbyTalk and at the track. Parts are generally available through all the distributers. Andy Mac (and KSG family) have been building National winners for awhile now.

With all that said if you look at the results for big events you will see a chassis from most of the big names. If you want to stay with the popular choices go with KSG, Hyperdrive, Leading Edge, RIP. If you want to be different go for with Maverick, Darkside, Silva, or one of the new ones coming out from CRC or IRS.

My 2 cents...KSG all the way.
Joel White

i knew i forgot one...RIP motorsports has a nice car also.

has anybody mentioned Custom Works Aggressor? The car is very adjustable and the kit comes with everything needed to run the pod in different configurations. It doesn't require purchasing extra parts for things like rear steer. In my opinion the kit comes with everything needed to run just about any type of oval.

Sith Lord,

I'm not sure if you are who I responded to at RCTech or not, but I believe if so your question was aimed at conversions for the L3 to something similar to the L4.

That is where the

Maverick
Silva
Leading Edge
RIP
Darkside
and probably a couple others come in.

For NEW Complete Kits

KSG Gen2
Hyperdrive Pro3
Custom Works Agressor

plus some NEW Stuff about to be released from

IRS
CRC

which both have some interesting features.

If you have/had a local hobbyshop or track, that would usually be where to start...but if you are looking at a internet purchase there are a lot of great people to deal with, and a whole bunch of them are right here on HobbyTalk to answer your questions.

Jake - Jake's Performance Hobbies
Hays Jr. - Left Hander
Eric - Darkside Motorsports
Rob - Murdock/Windtunnel Racing
A whole bunch of TEAM guys for most of the different chassis (Just look for their avatar - LOL)

As far as local - there are a lot of us who would LOVE to have a track only 1 hour away. (Closest to me is closer to 2 hours)

Sith Lord,

I'm not sure if you are who I responded to at RCTech or not, but I believe if so your question was aimed at conversions for the L3 to something similar to the L4.

That is where the

Maverick
Silva
Leading Edge
RIP
Darkside
and probably a couple others come in.

For NEW Complete Kits

KSG Gen2
Hyperdrive Pro3
Custom Works Agressor

plus some NEW Stuff about to be released from

IRS
CRC

which both have some interesting features.

If you have/had a local hobbyshop or track, that would usually be where to start...but if you are looking at a internet purchase there are a lot of great people to deal with, and a whole bunch of them are right here on HobbyTalk to answer your questions.

Jake - Jake's Performance Hobbies
Hays Jr. - Left Hander
Eric - Darkside Motorsports
Rob - Murdock/Windtunnel Racing
A whole bunch of TEAM guys for most of the different chassis (Just look for their avatar - LOL)

As far as local - there are a lot of us who would LOVE to have a track only 1 hour away. (Closest to me is closer to 2 hours)

Nope, not me.....I havent "yet" joined that forum, but thanks for posting ! :thumbsup:

I have one word in chassis for you.


RIP

Jimmy

KSG has been out for quite a few years. The KSG car since it came about has been a very dominant carpet car, with a fair amount of cap tire titles as well.It is a complete kit with no needed extras to buy.

The hyperdrive pro 3 design came after the KSG. It may look similar because of the crossbrace design but it works very differently.. I am not a fan of HD's on carpet. I have seen quite a few guys struggle with them on carpet.. Cutting the chassis out for more flex seems to be the norm now. Im not sure why they havent released a production chassis with more flex. It is however a very dominant cap tire car. I have always loved HD's on asphalt.It is a complete kit with no needed extras to buy..


The maverick car in my opinion is the best all around car.. Ive run them on both carpet and asphalt with both surfaces being equally fast.

Leading edge has also been a very dominant carpet car in the last few years. It doesnt have all the bells and whistles as far as setup options go, but i like that. It makes you stick to the needed changes which help make the car a rocket.

Silva concepts conversion is similar to the L4 with a few needed geometry changes. The car is a rocket on any surface. Like the LE car it has minimal adjustments to keep you focused on the needed changes to be fast.

The Darkside car is a very nice all around car. It ha the Bling factor with the SSG graphite, and has a few more adjustments then the silva or LE but not enough to make you scratch your head.It comes as complete kit with no needed extras to buy, or a conversion.


The RIP car which is similar to the maverick, (both based off of a ADX car that never made it to production) is very fast on the rug. They have many diff chassis plate option for any type of surface.It is a complete kit with no needed extras to buy.

The Customworks, Aggressor is a pretty killer carpet car as well. It is a complete kit with no needed extras to buy.. It has plenty of adjustability. The solid chassis seems to be the best all around chassis.. I have not seen anyone get the cars really fast on cap tires tho. However i havent seen any of the really fast team guys run caps. Ive run the car on caps a few times, but it always seemed to be missing something.

There is plenty of cars out there, and i wouldnt say one is better then the other.. It all comes down to what you want to spend, and how good you are at setup. If you know your a tto z"s of setup you can be fast on anyone of them.. Your best bet is to see what the local guys are running, and what your local track supports as far as parts, and go that way so you are never without support.. The above personal opinions are just mine as far as cars i have tried. They in no way are knocks on the companies or cars invloved. As i said they all can be fast.

Well, I consider myself maybe just a hair better than an average racer, but I'm not Frank, Danny, Jamie, etc, but I do fairly well. This weekend at Hensley's 13.5 race in St. Louis I ran my Maverick saturday(with some extra cutouts to promote chassis flex) and a CEFX car (which is 3mm and as stiff as a board) on Sunday. The Mav would have qualified third, the CEFX qualified second, within a second and a half of each other but they're completely diffrent chassis. The more I race the more I decide that if you're not an elite (getting those extra thousandths out each lap) all the cars are basically four wheels and a sheet of carbon fiber.

So my advice is race what you think is cool, and who treats you well. After meeting Jake Rosen, AC, DW, and the Maverick guys at the Birds I've pretty much decided that as long as they're making cars I'll be racing one of them. They're cool guys and I like their attitudes when it comes to racing. Oval is filled with great people, so find what and who you're comfortable with and you'll succeed.


my oppinion is super biased toward jake and his maverick car...but i can tell you that rob at custom works and andy at ksg are super nice guys as well along with eric of dark side motor sports........the good news is...your list is solid and you won't go wrong with any of those cars you listed.you will be happy with any of them!

Check out the Raptor.Super adjustable,great quality.I run Hyperdrive solids,but i run a Raptor also.They have a product support deal on here.

My top choices RIP , Maverick , KSG :thumbsup:

I will agree with the just a hair above average racer above buy what you like and can get parts for dont buy it just because everyone has one.


If you are just starting out you might want to get the car with the least expensive bumpers ;)


Jake

its all graphite with wheels, go where u think ur going to b treated best, product support, tech support , and team support, finding someone close to ya who can lend ya a honest hand is real important........goodluck

C3

KSG all the way. The car has some major adjustments. You can move each side of the front end in and out and foward and back to adjust track width and wheel base. Of course it use the associated front end like 99.9% of the cars out there. You can also adjust the servo front to back and left to right. The battery tray slides hence (Slider). The t-plate can be off set left/right/center. Center Shock mount can be adjusted front to back and Shock can be adjusted up and down on the mount. You can adjust the side shocks up and down on the outer side shock mounts to adj the angle of the side shock also. The pod can be offset from left to right, and center. The KSG also has rear steer slugs to add rear steer to the pod. KSG also has a wide selection of t-plates, rear steer slugs, and front end slugs for major adjustments.

I run all Custom Works Cars you get all the tech support you want.

Well did alot of reading in what everyone stated, looked at the companys websites....so I'm leaning towards three kits(conversion)

Dark side Enemy, Maverick 05 HE, and Leading Edge Hangman/Executioner.

Mostly based upon price, and what Ive seen.

Maverick: is a bit pricey for a conversion, but it looks like a solid chassis.
Dark side: what can I say.....niiiiiice!
Leading Edge: I'm sold on the LiPo set-up....and its looking like the Maverick to be honest with the chassis being a solid contender


Figuring Wind Tunnel Racing is the closest for me dealing with these chassis, as Hobby town in Grand Island only carries Associated stuff.

Now just a few final questions:
Is the Darkside chassis capable of a easy convert to LiPO and Brushless set-up? In reguards to not needing much more? Or is there a kit in the works for the LiPO batteries in the slider form coming out?

Like wise for the Maverick chassis it sits in the same position as the Darkside chassis, has there been a kit made other than the 5.5 update that will accept LiPO batteries and Brushless motors/ESC?

I would like to thank all that replied and gave some really good ideas thus far. Thanks guys/gals!

From what I have seen the Darkside pod is a little tight on the brushless motors. It fits, you just need some work getting it in there. I guess that is the case with all of the kits.

Out of your list I would go with the Leading Edge Hang Man. It was built for brushless racing.

Jake's been looking at Lipo possibilities I think, at the request of a lot of Maverick guys who are already running Lipo. So while nothing is out currently it doesn't mean it can't be used for Lipo racing.

Silva all the way! It has plenty of adjustments for you to tune you car to any type of track. Some of the fastest guys out there are on the Silva car. I'm sure Roman will chime in here soon.


Ritchie Mac
Silva Concepts
PRS
Killer Koncepts
Windtunnel
Murdock R\C Tires