17 foot Seaview Gray I think, is the proper term. :)

This is from my personal collection. (I collect many 1960s toys, comics, models, etc.)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v283/lanterndude/voyage-set.jpg

Great set, and I had it as a kid too.

*Many hours spent fighting with the dangerous bathtub drain plug monster!:woohoo:

WHAT!!! Instead of "just like it looked on MY TV back in the 1960's Blue" ????

Maybe "Blue-Grey" ? "Greyish Blue with some green in it Grey" might be closer....

Mine will be "just like it looked on TV" Blue. Let's not go crazy here!

Many hours spent fighting with the dangerous bathtub drain plug monster!:woohoo:

IIRC the same monster was featured in one of the episodes.

Mine will be "just like it looked on TV" Blue.

I was watching 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea last night with my son. In the underwater shots the Nautilus appears to be a flat medium-dark grey, but (thanks to Tom Scherman, et el) we know the filming miniature was painted a heavily weathered brownish copper color.

Question: Given the above, what color should the modeler paint his model?

Answer: Whatever color he wants.

Dave- Please tell me I'll have this kit in February...good gosh the anticipation is getting to me...I think Seaview all day long...I got it BAD!

Gee am I excited or what?
Has anyone ever asked Frank or Dave what color plastic it wil be molded in? Grey I assume??
Gary :hat:

It will be gray. February is getting close, we should have more info this week or early next week on when we can estimate delivery. Thanks, we're excited too!

I have some fuzzy copies of the original studio blueprints of the Seaview shooting
minature. They indicate an overall length of 412'-0" from the tip of the forward
searchlight casing to the tip of the Cadillac fins. The outside dia. of the hull
would be 32'-0". Unfortunely, I can't upload the file to the forum because
it's too large.

I had that yellow toy too! :)
In fact, I think I still have the blue wind-up crank in my spares box.

I too had the toy sub....I picked it up at a garage sale in "74" for .50 cents.....I use to take it to the lake and it worked very well too...untill one fatefull day when it took off for the deep end and I never saw it again.

fluke said: I too had the toy sub....I picked it up at a garage sale in "74" for .50 cents.....I use to take it to the lake and it worked very well too...untill one fatefull day when it took off for the deep end and I never saw it again.
It could still be there!
Get a SCUBA tank and go look!

No need to go look Troy, just tell me which lake. ;)

I had one too (yellow submarine with a crank and inaccurate propulsion) I remember getting it xmas 1967 from my grandparents and thinking it was too childish for a 10 year old...

That was a pretty good xmas. They also sent some sorta weird "balloon" spacecraft that was "flown" with a ground based "radar fan" controlled by joystick.

Look for both in the King County land fill.

King county Washington?

ayup.

I had one too (yellow submarine with a crank and inaccurate propulsion) I remember getting it xmas 1967 from my grandparents and thinking it was too childish for a 10 year old...

That was a pretty good xmas. They also sent some sorta weird "balloon" spacecraft that was "flown" with a ground based "radar fan" controlled by joystick.

.

OMG, I had that too! have the joystick from that in my spares box. :lol:

anyone still wanking?

OMG, I had that too! have the joystick from that in my spares box. :lol:


Are you thinking what I'm thinking (same grandparents? :freak: )

I have some fuzzy copies of the original studio blueprints of the Seaview shooting
minature. They indicate an overall length of 412'-0" from the tip of the forward
searchlight casing to the tip of the Cadillac fins. The outside dia. of the hull
would be 32'-0". Unfortunely, I can't upload the file to the forum because
it's too large.

I managed to shrink the file and still make it clear. Here it is.(BTW, as a
kid, I had that yellow Seaview too.)

Ok. I'm sure this is common knowledge among aficianados - but what was the reason for the change fom 8 windows to 4 windows between the first and second season?

Ok. I'm sure this is common knowledge among aficianados - but what was the reason for the change fom 8 windows to 4 windows between the first and second season?

To move the control room to the windows increased the action, the invention of the flying sub and the top windows were never shown. I always thought it impossible to move the whole control room down one level. Also, where did the stairs go? The arch of the control room is the top of the sub, so how is there a upper level? Also, the flying sub hatch doesn't line up with the deck hatch of the control room. I know about the crawlway in some plans but that's bogus. Also the sail hatch is 180 degrees out of phase with the periscope. The ladder is behind the periscope in the control room, but then it moves in front of the scopes on the sail up top. Irwin never paid any attention to details. I guess he thought the fan was stupid and wouldn't notice. I always thought it funny in the 2nd season when the 4 window Seaview was shown, then stock footage of the 8 windows was then shown.

Ever notice the early Seaview(movie and first season)on the inside,the middle observation nose beam was thick and the other supports were skinny.Yet on the outside of the Seaview the Observation nose beams,were all thick.Look I just like the Seaview,even though your'e probably right,about the technical inaccuracies about the Seaview.Its all fiction,meant to entertain,I have the same problem,understanding how the Original USS Enterprise,was changed so dramactically,to the STTMP version,and still believe its the same ship,My point is,you don't analize it too much,I don't think some these producers meant for us to take these shows so seriously,they just meant to entertain,Guy S.

Ever notice the early Seaview(movie and first season)on the inside,the middle observation nose beam was thick and the other supports were skinny.Yet on the outside of the Seaview the Observation nose beams,were all thick.I always assumed the nose of the Seaview miniatures was changed to 4 windows to make the exterior match the interior set more closely. BTW, the interior set's windows had the wide center divider so that two 16-mm projectors could be used for rear-process shots of the action seen "through" the windows.

Still think the 8-window version just looks better, though.

The flying sub takes up quite a bit of vertical space under the deck, ya know.

Personally, I can't see why Irwin could not have kept the (much nicer IMHO) 8-windows and still have the flying-sub bay. Outlandish 'vertical space' issues hasn't stopped him before re: the Jupiter 2 and the pod, PLUS the J2's lowest 3rd deck with fusion core... !!! Fox.

I like the four windows version much better,since it also adds style to the sub.I believe that the 8 windows version made the front of the sub more vulnerable,and therefore more prone to disaster.Unless I'm mistaken,the four windows version have protective plates that can close in front of the windows in order to protect the usually exposed windows.I guess you will have to buy an after market front resin part and other minor parts if you really want to reproduce the 8 windows version.

Although I like the four window sub better as well, it seems that the thing sank to the bottom in every other episode. So, fewer windows actually equated to a higher disaster rate!

Huzz

Yeah, but .... I'm asking this from a "filmmaking" perspective. Why did Allen and/or his special effects guys make the change? Was it purely aesthetics? Are there photos of the "conversion" or did they build an entirely new model or what? Obviously they had to go to some trouble to do this. There had to be a reason and I doubt that it had much to do with the supposed internal structure or practicality of the fictional sub itself.

Remember that by 1965 when the conversion was done the Seaview design was several years old--it had been designed around 1961. I think the addition of the Flying Sub was an excuse to update the design and obviously both versions have their fans.

As for the way it was done, the nose of the Seaview was cut off just behind the manta fins and as far as I know a new nose was built (although I've never seen photos of the detached original nose so it's possible the original nose was just radically overhauled). There are a number of photos of the 8-footer nose section floating around--but the 17 footer is still wholly intact so you don't get quite the same idea of how the conversion was done...

To be quite honest, I can see the appeal of both versions.

Huzz

Dunno if the 17 foot model existed for the MOVIE VTTBOTS. Looks like the 8 foot job surfaced at the beginning of the movie. Seems like not only the nose but the underside was redone in the TV era.

I was watching an episode last night from Season 2 volume 2 (the episode where Neslon and Sharky crash the Flying Sub on a volcanic island with dinosaurs) and in various shots you see the 4 window version and then the eight window version of Seaview.

Huzz

Irwin loved him his stock footage.

Trek did it too. You could see all three versions of the Big E in some episodes.

Removed.

email Moebius,and send them that picture,That picture,no kidding is great,and I would be great for the Moebius Seaview kit,although you may piss off Chris White.

That was not my intention.

I hate it when someone removes a post. You always wonder what it was.

I posted more pics several days ago? Anyone see these?

http://www.culttvman2.com/dnn/Default.aspx?tabid=384

Not yet!

Don't worry Trek Ace, you ain't gonna pi$$ me off. I painted the piece that Frank wanted, the way he wanted it. If he's happy, I'm happy!
I appreciate the concern, tho...

BTW thanks for posting those Steve!

Very Nice,I just checked out all the photos.I have a book from 1999,which has the large 17 foot studio model of the Seaview.Moebius,and the people that produced this kit,have nailed it on accuracy,the side profile is perfect,to the studio model,Guy S.

I posted more pics several days ago? Anyone see these?

http://www.culttvman2.com/dnn/Default.aspx?tabid=384

:eek:

Wow, beautiful!

For some reason that particular shade of green styrene shouts out AURORA really loudly to me...

For some reason that particular shade of green styrene shouts out AURORA really loudly to me...

Spindrift interior and the 2001 Moonbus. What else was green?

Personally, I can't see why Irwin could not have kept the (much nicer IMHO) 8-windows and still have the flying-sub bay. Outlandish 'vertical space' issues hasn't stopped him before re: the Jupiter 2 and the pod, PLUS the J2's lowest 3rd deck with fusion core... !!! Fox.

Yeah....don't forget bout that mysterious diving chamber under the floor of the Flying sub! :p

Even though most will paint the interiors of our kits....wouldn't it be swell if Moebius and Monarch used that green on key interior parts?....now that would be a treat!

After seeing those new Seaview pics....I had to go change my Aliens underwoos.

Thanks and no thanks Steve!

The 17-foot miniature was built for the Voyage movie--one of the reasons the TV show was able to do such ambitious miniature work was because the bulk of the cost of miniature construction had already been paid for the film--the 17-foot miniature is used in the surface shots in the film as well as the under water mine sequence. I assume it's the 17-footer surfacing at the beginning of the film although L.B. Abbott's book doesn't make that clear--it may have been the 8-footer used their because the tank used would not have been deep enough to rig the 17-foot miniature far enough underwater to do the shot--Abbott does say that the sub was mounted on rails fastened to the bottom that extended up to three feet from the surface for that shot.

Great looking Seaview! Thanks for posting the link Steve.


RK

Once again, Steve throw some surprises at us. Thanks!

Just thought a couple more pictures with the green plastic would be cool!

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m200/irvfrbsh/27.jpg
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m200/irvfrbsh/38.jpg