I just found out what type of car KITT will be! A Ford Shelby GT500KR, & yes, the "light" will be in the hood.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IdEzxIemH0&feature=dir

Oh yeah, there's a show that we all desparately needed to see re-made!

:rolleyes:

Oh yeah, there's a show that we all desparately needed to see re-made!

:rolleyes:

But that's what I said about Battlestar Galactica! :p

It's just wrong to make it a Ford.

I've said it once and I've said it many times. Today's writers have no imagination to do anything new. They are just too scared so they rip off an older popular show.

heck, there's a new show coming out this fall based on Geico's cave men. Sheesh, how original is that?

There is a whole library of award winning novels and novel series that could be made into mini-series and tv shows that would be original and possibly more acceptable since they won't have an "old" show to be compared to.

I, for wone, wouldn't min d seeing the John Carpenter of Mars series made into a retro style tv series.

I've said it once and I've said it many times. Today's writers have no imagination to do anything new. They are just too scared so they rip off an older popular show.

heck, there's a new show coming out this fall based on Geico's cave men. Sheesh, how original is that?

There is a whole library of award winning novels and novel series that could be made into mini-series and tv shows that would be original and possibly more acceptable since they won't have an "old" show to be compared to.

I, for wone, wouldn't min d seeing the John Carpenter of Mars series made into a retro style tv series.
John Carpenter of Mars?

1) Don't blame the writers for all the retreads. It's the studios who are trying to exploit properties they own with built in name recognition. No body is going to spend tens of millions of dollars on a project without a reasonable expectation of making their money back. And that means, do something that's like something that was already successful. And this is a reasonable approach considering that audiences have consistently shown they want more sequels and remakes and fewer original productions.

Just out of curiosity, what were the last three movies you saw in the theater, Mcdonald?

2) What is this obsession some people seem to have about "originality." When I like a movie or TV show, whether or not it is "original" rarely has anything to do with it.

John Carpenter of Mars?

1) Don't blame the writers for all the retreads. It's the studios who are trying to exploit properties they own with built in name recognition. No body is going to spend tens of millions of dollars on a project without a reasonable expectation of making their money back. And that means, do something that's like something that was already successful. And this is a reasonable approach considering that audiences have consistently shown they want more sequels and remakes and fewer original productions.

Just out of curiosity, what were the last three movies you saw in the theater, Mcdonald?

2) What is this obsession some people seem to have about "originality." When I like a movie or TV show, whether or not it is "original" rarely has anything to do with it.

I guess the obsession is that when you get older and you've seen the same stories made into movies over and over, one gets hungry for a completely different story.
Granted, Tin Man is a very different story but the overlaying
storyline, number of main characters, etc is till too close for me.

Be it the writers who write screenplays for presentation, producers, studio owners, it really doesn't matter because it's all repeats.

No need for me to list my last three movies because you'll just probably confirm that they are some kind of remakes of existing movies. Oh, but then that proves my point doesn't it?

My point is that there are many, many Hugo winning stories out there that have a better chance of sucess than seeing something like Flash Gordon being re-done over and over and over. How many failures and discontinued shows have cropped up on the SciFi Channel in the last 3 years.?

Lemme bounce a question back to you. Would you rather see Forbidden Planet re-imagined from the original movie play or see Ringworld or Foundation or some other favorite novel be made into a movie/miniseries for the first time? :thumbsup:

Oops. My mind wandered onto another crappy vampire movie. I meant John Carter of Mars was a series of novels written by the same author who wrote the Tarzan series. Edgar Rice Burroughs

I've never particularly cared for RINGWORLD (at least my one reading of it over twenty years ago didn't impress me) and a faithful adaption of FOUNDATION would make a terrible movie (a lot of scenes of men sitting around explaining what is going on in the galaxy). However, I am still waiting for someone to finally turn THE DEMOLISHED MAN into a movie. (My 30-year-old paperback has "soon to be a major motion picture" on the back.) However, I would rather see a good remake of FORBIDDEN PLANET (treated like Peter Jackson's KING KONG, for example) than a badly executed version of THE DEMOLISHED MAN.

What irritates me about this "why can't they do something original" mantra is that it always seems to be referring to plot. One of these days, I'm going to create a list of principles of movie criticism and #1 will be "We do not watch movies for their plots!"

There are many ways to be "original." For instance, the plot of STAR WARS is pretty much standard 1930's space opera (with an overlay of THE WIZARD OF OZ) but done with imagination, pacing, and an authenticity that we had never seen before. That is what made it an instant classic.

KITT a Ford? UHG!!!!!!!
It was bad enough when they used fords in team knight rider.
they should go with the new Camaro instead.

No need for me to list my last three movies because you'll just probably confirm that they are some kind of remakes of existing movies. Oh, but then that proves my point doesn't it?

No. It doesn't. Come on, tell us the last three movies you paid to see in the theater.

No. It doesn't. Come on, tell us the last three movies you paid to see in the theater.
I'll go first. The last three I saw were NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN, BEOWULF, and AMERICAN GANGSTER. No sequels or remakes there.

In fact, looking at the box office top 10 for last weekend, it is surprisingly free of rehashes. It was also financially one of the weakest weeks in 10 years.

Every week, there are plenty of "original" movies released. They usually outnumber the remakes and sequels. And yet, the rehashes pretty consistently outperform the originals (unless the original is a low-brow comedy).

The studios aren't stupid. If people keep paying to see remakes, they'll keep making them.

Last three movies I saw in the theater:

Before The Devil Knows You're Dead
No Country for Old Men
Into The Wild

Agreed - plenty of "original" movies out there. You just gotta' seek them out.

No. It doesn't. Come on, tell us the last three movies you paid to see in the theater.

Well, I don't go very often since I can buy DVD's of my favorites..

I saw this year:
Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix
Fantastic Four and the Rise of the Silver Surfer
Pirates of the Caribean: At the Worlds End.
'300'

All were what I expected them to be except for 300. It was too stylized for my taste.

So in other words, the only movie you didn't like was the "original" one?

Every week, there are plenty of "original" movies released. They usually outnumber the remakes and sequels. And yet, the rehashes pretty consistently outperform the originals (unless the original is a low-brow comedy).

The studios aren't stupid. If people keep paying to see remakes, they'll keep making them.

Ummm. my original comment was aimed at the SciFi channel but if we expand our scope to all movies, yes, I agree with you.

My original frustration with the SciFi channel is that they keep regurgitating all of the old, cheap 2/3/4/5 sequel movies like Aligator, Aligator 2, Saw, Saw2, Saw3,etc. and when they do try to give us something new, it's usually such a badly written show that they don't even last more than one season (a normal season being 20+ eps he he). Even when they give us something good, it is something already done well. Dune, was a good miniseries, but it came out after a Hollywood production. We also have Flash Gordon, which came after a Hollywood movie, We have Bionic Woman, Stargate Atlantis (same format but different threat), etc. etc. etc. I am barely able to stand BG mainly because the effects shots are quick and brief and it's more about people posturing, power, and a little understood enemy with a still unknown plan.

The only things that the SciFi channel has released that I really enjoy in past months was the miniseries was (I forget the title) was about a key that opens any door into a room outside the normal space/time continum and he's looking for his daughter. I also enjoy Eureka which has had several great episodes about various technologies and situations.

So in other words, the only movie you didn't like was the "original" one?

Actually, 300 isn't original. Hollywood did a movie called "The Spartans" prior to this one. Since it was a historical event, I wouldn't expect any "originality" from it. I mainly went to see it because my girlfriend wanted to.

I would just like to see someone begin making movies/miniseries from the many, many Hugo winning novels that have not been done yet.

Rondevous with Rama
The Forever War

These would make good miniseries

Actually, 300 isn't original. Hollywood did a movie called "The Spartans" prior to this one. Since it was a historical event, I wouldn't expect any "originality" from it. I mainly went to see it because my girlfriend wanted to.
This is sort of my point. Yes, the story of the 300 Spartans has been told before, but not like it was in 300. To reduce "originality" to nothing but plot shows a profound misunderstanding of drama and storytelling in general. If it was all about plot, they would have stopped producing Shakespeare's plays a few centuries ago.

Heck, Shakespeare wouldn't have been produced to begin with. He stole most of his plots from other sources.

And how would RAMA make a good mini-series? From what I remember, it didn't have enough story for an hour TV episode, let alone a miniseries.

And how would RAMA make a good mini-series? From what I remember, it didn't have enough story for an hour TV episode, let alone a miniseries.

I suppose someone could look at it like that. I remember the story as being one of a team of astronaut/scientists who go exploring a strange, unknown spacecraft and make a lot of discoveries. The same could be said for Dune (Harkonen kills boy's father. Boy leads Fremen on revolt against Emperor/Harkonen. Dune becomes a free planet). Yet, it was made into a good miniseries.

I'm 55 years old and I've never heard of any attempt to make Ramainto a show or movie from any of the scifi mags or shows I've kept up with. I read lots of stuff like StarLog, etc. If you have a link to this news, I'd appreciate you sharing it. I believe that Rama would make a great exploration/discovery type of miniseries. There was enough leftover from the ending of Rama to spawn a sequel novel.

The Forever War by Joe Haldeman would also make a great miniseries. In case you haven't read it, I can give away a few tidbits of the novel without spoiling anyone here.
It's the story of a young man drafted into an instellar war. The twist is that he lives for thounsands of years due to the time dialation effects of "collapstar jumps" where each jump time slows down for him sonciderably due to the high gravity wells.

Thus, mankind ages normally while the war is fought, literally, by ageless solderiers. The story is broken up into subplots that are built around each collapstar jump. Each story is different leading to a very surprise ending.

This novel was followed by the novel "Forever Peace" which also has a very surprise ending.

I will agree with you that every story has some basis or reference from some other story dating all the way back to Adam and Eve. However, a Flash Gordon story is a Flash Gordon story, A Bionic Woman story is a Bionic Woman Story, a BG story against the Cylons is a BG story against the Cylons. If this keeps up we'll have nothing to look forward to except more re-no-imagined shows such as another Land of the Giants, Lost in Space, Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea, etc.

I will give the new Knight Rider with the mustang-Kitt a try but I'm wondering what the show will offer that hasn't already been done in the original.

I will give the new Knight Rider with the mustang-Kitt a try but I'm wondering what the show will offer that hasn't already been done in the original.

Isn't it supposed to transform into a robot? :confused:

I suppose someone could look at it like that. I remember the story as being one of a team of astronaut/scientists who go exploring a strange, unknown spacecraft and make a lot of discoveries. The same could be said for Dune (Harkonen kills boy's father. Boy leads Fremen on revolt against Emperor/Harkonen. Dune becomes a free planet). Yet, it was made into a good miniseries.

I'm 55 years old and I've never heard of any attempt to make Ramainto a show or movie from any of the scifi mags or shows I've kept up with. I read lots of stuff like StarLog, etc. If you have a link to this news, I'd appreciate you sharing it. I believe that Rama would make a great exploration/discovery type of miniseries. There was enough leftover from the ending of Rama to spawn a sequel novel.

The Forever War by Joe Haldeman would also make a great miniseries. In case you haven't read it, I can give away a few tidbits of the novel without spoiling anyone here.
It's the story of a young man drafted into an instellar war. The twist is that he lives for thounsands of years due to the time dialation effects of "collapstar jumps" where each jump time slows down for him sonciderably due to the high gravity wells.

Thus, mankind ages normally while the war is fought, literally, by ageless solderiers. The story is broken up into subplots that are built around each collapstar jump. Each story is different leading to a very surprise ending.

This novel was followed by the novel "Forever Peace" which also has a very surprise ending.

I will agree with you that every story has some basis or reference from some other story dating all the way back to Adam and Eve. However, a Flash Gordon story is a Flash Gordon story, A Bionic Woman story is a Bionic Woman Story, a BG story against the Cylons is a BG story against the Cylons. If this keeps up we'll have nothing to look forward to except more re-no-imagined shows such as another Land of the Giants, Lost in Space, Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea, etc.

I will give the new Knight Rider with the mustang-Kitt a try but I'm wondering what the show will offer that hasn't already been done in the original.
Actually, Morgan Freeman has been trying to get a movie version of RAMA made for years. (IMDb.com entry (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0134933/)) Apparently, it is still alive, but I think the main problem is that the story has no dramatic thrust. All drama essentially boils down to this: Someone has a goal. He faces an escalating series of obstacles until he must make a decision that will resolve everything. He does so and either succeeds or fails. Of course it is possible to bend or even break these rules, but a storyteller does so at his own risk. Like most adaptions of Jules Verne, a film or TV version of RAMA will need a dramatic structure overlaid on the story.

And I have read THE FOREVER WAR, and I agree that it is structured perfectly to make a miniseries, especially since it began life a series of short stories. I'm not sure though if there is enough story to do it properly. Perhaps if they did it as a series of one hour episodes.

that's cool about Rama. I hope he can do it. I read the novels and it's one of my favorites.I can envision that making Rama would be an effective movie much the same way as movie "The Lost World". Instead of danger and unknown from dinosaurs, it would be from alien creatures, robots, and alien technology as they explored

Here's how I can see the Forever War breaking down into a 5 part miniseries.

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1) A background introduction into the events leading into the war followed by the introduction to the main character who is drafted and completing training....fade into part 2 with the first mission.

2) The first mission where we actually see his unit egage the Taurans. Here we learn about collapsar jumps, suit technology, etc. After this mission, onto the subsequent missions until he gets injured......onto part 3

3) the hospital stay on planet Heaven. Recovery time, the R&R fishing trip with the giant shark, learning of his love's re-assignment and watching her ship take off......onto part 4

part 4) He is promoted to General and his unit is assignmen out to a really distant solar system. Here is where they defend themselves against more advance Taurans, the battles, holding up in the Stasis field, ......onto part 5

5) The final battle is overwith the nova bomb solution, the trip home, learning of man's surprise evolution, learning more about the Taurans, learning how the war really started in the first place, learning how the war ended and learning that his love is still waiting by making repeating collapsar jumps until he returned.

Isn't it supposed to transform into a robot? :confused:
Not a robot, but the car will transform somehow. Maybe a freaky version of the Super Pursuit Mode?!

I will give the new Knight Rider with the mustang-Kitt a try but I'm wondering what the show will offer that hasn't already been done in the original.Isn't it supposed to transform into a robot? :confused:No, but they're trying to transform the show into a reboot. :p

No...Reboot was a show all by itself on Saturday mornings.:p

As part of the update, the car will have the voice of a sassy black woman.

'don't you even think about running me off the road!! mmm mmm mm.'

I'm a huge fan of Mustangs and not a fan of Pontiacs, but I agree with John and the others. It's wrong for KITT to be a Ford.

How about this, then?

http://www.spencer1984.com/hold/kittcamaro.jpg

Yeah!!! That's what I was talking about. And no super pursit mode. the SPM was a lame idea to make KITT a "super hero" type of car. That's my opinion any way.

Here is the new K.I.T.T.
NBC just unveiled the new car.
For as long as the link lasts:
http://l.yimg.com/img.tv.yahoo.com/tv/us/img/site/48/20/0000044820_20071212134204.jpg?

It doesn't look right to me. K.I.T.T. was sleek. This new thing is a slab
of muscle. How will it scissor through walls the way the original did?
And soar through the air with the greatest of ease?
The abuse the car will endure during its' adventures will break all
that stuff sticking off the car everywhere.
Oh well.

I'm sorry, this KITT is all brawn without the finesse. It's just wrong.

http://l.yimg.com/img.tv.yahoo.com/tv/us/img/site/48/20/0000044820_20071212134204.jpg

Now, as a Decepticon, the Saleen works very well.

http://www.omelete.com.br/imagens/diversos/transformersbarricadecarro.jpg

Here is the new K.I.T.T.
NBC just unveiled the new car.
For as long as the link lasts:
http://l.yimg.com/img.tv.yahoo.com/tv/us/img/site/48/20/0000044820_20071212134204.jpg?

It doesn't look right to me. K.I.T.T. was sleek. This new thing is a slab
of muscle. How will it scissor through walls the way the original did?
And soar through the air with the greatest of ease?
The abuse the car will endure during its' adventures will break all
that stuff sticking off the car everywhere.
Oh well.

Couldn't agree more. A double spoiler in the rear? C'mon, the first one would deflect the air flow over the second one which is sitting lower. The designers didn't do their homework.

Well, at least he's all black. The first pictures posted showed him a dark grey with black racing stripes. As a car, it looks good. As KITT, I'm still not totally convinced yet.

So basically all we are going to get is..

Knight Rider: The Faster and Furiouser....

I consider it a real slap in the face.
I used to own a black 1982 TA.
To put a ford in that role is just wrong.

The mustang isn't even high tech looking.
It's boring, I miss the days when these guys would put concept cars in these roles.

Where is the ying yang light?
Are they afraid we might confuse a black mustang with a chrome plated Cylon.

It will go down in flames, along with all the other reboots.

Come on you guys, would you please come out with something new.
What's next? Rebooting the A-Team?
Replacing Mr. T with a middle aged divorced white woman(with kids), and really bad PMS.

What's next? Rebooting the A-Team?
I hate to tell you, but--

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0429493/

Yea I knew, I was having fun with it.

I think the writers strike is doing us a favor at this time.
It's to bad it didn't happen soon enough to spare us this latest insult.

Network TV has been having some real trouble at this time. Even to the point of having to pay advertisers back. The problem is digital recorders, people are recording shows and watching at their leisure. Which is a problem with measuring the live audience.
This is interesting-
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071212/tv_nm/strike_advertisers_dc (http://)
The entertainment industry will have to rethink how they do things.

Why do I want to watch a redo of KR, when I can go down to Best Buy, and get the old series. Which is far better than anything they can do today.

The new car sucks,it is a cop out,besides we have a better suped-up Mustang in the Transformer movie.Television,the land of no imagination.Alexander

I consider it a real slap in the face.
I used to own a black 1982 TA.
To put a ford in that role is just wrong.

The mustang isn't even high tech looking.
It's boring, I miss the days when these guys would put concept cars in these roles.

Where is the ying yang light?
Are they afraid we might confuse a black mustang with a chrome plated Cylon.

It will go down in flames, along with all the other reboots.

Come on you guys, would you please come out with something new.
What's next? Rebooting the A-Team?
Replacing Mr. T with a middle aged divorced white woman(with kids), and really bad PMS.

Ho Yeah, i remember that show. Never in the history of tellevision shows has so many guns fired so many bullets at so many people, and no one ever gets shot. :drunk:

Old Mcdonald commented on the A-Team:Never in the history of television shows has so many guns fired so many bullets at so many people, and no one ever gets shot.
That's what made the show great!

I hate to tell you, but--

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0429493/
Oh no no no no no no no no NOooooooo!!!!!!!!!!

:drunk:

The new car sucks,it is a cop out,besides we have a better suped-up Mustang in the Transformer movie.Television,the land of no imagination.Alexander
Funny there wasn't a mustang in the movie.
GM was a sponsor of Transformers. Quite frankly the Camaro(Bumblebee) was growing on me. It would have made a slightly better KITT.
Googling around I found this,
http://kungfurodeo.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/kitt.jpg
It's a Koenigsegg somebody photoshopped. It's at least high tech looking.
Oh well, we can only wish. But then I stopped counting the number of times Hollywood has disappointed me.

Funny there wasn't a mustang in the movie.

Sorry, there was. His name was Barricade, and he's the one I alluded to in my previous post:

http://www.omelete.com.br/imagens/diversos/transformersbarricadecarro.jpg

http://www.transformers-movie-buzz.com/uploads/uploadForumPhotos/large_Barricade%20Attacks%20Sam-1178166471kdvoay2l.jpg

Funny there wasn't a mustang in the movie.


What movie were you watching? ;) Alexander

I don't think they could have made a bigger mistake with the "new KITT" if they had made it a kid's tricycle.

A fraggin' box with wheels. Oh yeah, REAL good idea.... :rolleyes:

Sorry, there was. His name was Barricade, and he's the one I alluded to in my previous post:

I stand corrected, but then that's what I get for paying attention.
I can't help but wonder if this is some inside joke. After all is was a GM sponsored movie.

Bad guys suck, so do mustangs. :p

This was HASBRO sponsered movie. :) Alexander

It was both, the more sponsors you get the less the studio has to spend.
Besides your not going to get access to concept cars without GM's involvement.

Still I don't think this new/rebooted/whatever KR is going to amount to anything.
I think audiences are getting tired of all of this rehashing of stuff. No matter what they do they cannot get the magic of these old shows back. Hollywood couldn't even write the way they did 20 years ago. How on earth would you expect to make a better show. If you have to write on such a low level.

But then it is the land of make believe, so they must make believe the audience is there too.