Has anyone heard of a change in the block between the carb and motor? I was informed they (QSAC) are considering a change in this block due to varience in the Zenoah block. If this is the case who will be producing them and how much are they expecting to get for them. I'm still new to this game of 1/4 scale and finding it hard to keep up on the changes. QSAC needs to get the rules and print copies for ALL the members and send a copy to each member.. Just my .02 cents. :confused:

Not sure on the phenolic block issue. If there was a change I'm sure they would let everyone know.

As for posting the rules or rule changes I think they do a pretty good job of it. The Rule book is on, and can be printed from the QSAC web-site. www.qsac.org

If they have to make a mid-season change it usually posted.
Here is the link.

http://www.qsac.org/pdfs/2007/2007%20QSAC%20Rulebook.pdf

What or who is the source of the rumor? That will usually give you an indication whether or not it's true.

Has anyone heard of a change in the block between the carb and motor? I was informed they (QSAC) are considering a change in this block due to varience in the Zenoah block. If this is the case who will be producing them and how much are they expecting to get for them. I'm still new to this game of 1/4 scale and finding it hard to keep up on the changes. QSAC needs to get the rules and print copies for ALL the members and send a copy to each member.. Just my .02 cents. :confused:

The issue is not a new phenolic block. The current QSAC legal phenolic block is from the Zenoah G2D since that motor is out of production for sometime these blocks have become increasingly hard to come by but not a problem. I have it on good authority that QSAC has already addressed this problem. In the meantime you can use the old block probably for quite sometime. I personally just bought 2 G2D blocks and I posed the question about these being in short supply. I am still waiting for a reply. Anyway it looks like it's nothing to worry about.

Bill

We will know something after Nov.1 on this. Not sure on the price yet on the new adapter and witch block will be run.

Qsac does do a good job with letting racer know what is going on. remember that the guys do have a full time Job and they do this on the side for the love of the Hobby. everything is on the QSAC web site and as far as new stuff things have to be tested ect. before it is released to the racers :thumbsup:

Thanks for the info. I'm not looking to cut the QSAC officials down I just have no way of printing the rules and thought it would be nice to have access to a hard copy of them. :thumbsup:

There are still plenty of the current QSAC phenolic intakes available. I've had no problems getting them from my supplier. If you need one, let me know.

I Think That A New Manifold Should Be Made For The Engines. Cnc Machining Wil Make Them All The Same. And Then They Can Add Some Length To Them So The Carb Is Away From The Motor. Geeze Come On We Are In The Space Age Here. Then You Can Anodize Them Colors So You Know What They Are.

Can you anodize a phenolic block material?

I Was Thinking Aluminum. But That Will Not Work Gets To Hot. You Can Machine The Block. I Am Sure There Are Plenty Of Machine Shops Out There That Could Do That.

Can you anodize a phenolic block material?

Tim you can't anodize the phenolic.There are different colors in the raw state.You might be able to dye the block.What are you looking for a by a color?

ED

ED,

Yep, I was reading BIGKAHUNA's post but didn't think so. Tim you can't anodize the phenolic.There are different colors in the raw state.You might be able to dye the block.What are you looking for a by a color?

ED

i might be wrong but i was looking at the new phenolic block and the hole in the block for vacuim doesn,t line up with hole in carb i could be wrong

i might be wrong but i was looking at the new phenolic block and the hole in the block for vacuim doesn,t line up with hole in carb i could be wrong
The new Restrictor plates take care of that issue
Bill

thanks

The new Plates will work with the new and the old block's. I hope they are done soon. I would like to start doing some testing.

There are still plenty of the current QSAC phenolic intakes available. I've had no problems getting them from my supplier. If you need one, let me know.


haven't had a problem getting any either. but they must know something we don't about them . like they aren't made anymore but there probably is a large supply of them still avalible. like most things in life they don't tell you they aren't made anymore and discontiued until you try to reorder more.

so it may not be a problem now but down the road it may be. so they are
addressing it now , instead of waiting until its an issue and creating more
problems we don't need in this sport.

and it a good thing that everyone must run the new plate regardless of which block you have. solves alot of confusion from the get go.

anyone know when they willl be avalible? want to get a few asap.

didn't think about this until now but i wonder what gaskets will work .
will the current ones work ? probably not the one between the block and
motor. that willl have to be different from current if you using the stock motor block. can't wait to start working on car again. the holiday is keeping me kind of busy right now.

The old carb gasket will work on the new plate.

Ok i see the carb blocks could be a problem and they stink anyway, to close to engine. also the slid carbs cost to much and are hard to get....

the butterfly carbs can even have accelerator pumps on them if you want, good for low end on off road dirt.

all you have to do is check out the HPI B5 buggy engine parts. i have one and have been looking at what you can get. they have alot of cool stuff.

:thumbsup: Also the HPI B5 and other off road vehicles all use butterfly type carbs and aluminum manifolds that are anodized so you cannot alter them... and have teflon gaskets for heat isolation.

I can run my B5 for and hour. stop and start it never had a problem with it.

brent said they had problems before. but i am sure they have taken care of that problem with all the types of uses they have for them now.

i like the butterfly carbs and the aluminum manifolds are out of the way from the engine.

the gaskets are teflon, and they have butterfly carbs of all sizes and the gaskets are all available and in stock. all is available on line any where. just look for the HPI B5

why invent the wheel when it is made allready.

and instead of running a 8.5 restrictor plate why not just run a 9mm butterfly carb that you can buy for 40.00

infact i think they have a 7.5 carb.... i would have to look again. this would make a better sportsman or beginners class.

just ask kahuna he will find the answer. lol :wave:

just need qsac to say it is ok to use them. :cool:

or get your local race track to say ok.

Merry Christmas & Happy New Year To All.

GOOOOOOOOOOOO BROWNS. :woohoo:

Kahuna,
Why would it make for a better Sportsman class? How would it make the racing better?

Are there any pics of the new plates available? How about a installed pic also?

NO COMMENTS ON BUTTERFLY CARBS ON ALUMINUM MANIFOLDS???? :freak:

7.5 Would Be A Good Driving Class. :thumbsup: maybe nastruck, less wreaks more drivable. lets the beginners get a grip of the track and racing and they do not have to have the car setup perfect. we are getting alot of new guys. they need a slow class. believe me i would of liked to have gone slower my self. would of cost me alot less money on repairs. :drunk:

( Do You Guys Watch Nascar At All ????? ) :thumbsup:

7.5 Would Be A Good Driving Class[/color]. :thumbsup: maybe nastruck, less wreaks more drivable. lets the beginners get a grip of the track and racing


Ray I'll try and find you a 6.5 plate then! :p

NO COMMENTS ON BUTTERFLY CARBS ON ALUMINUM MANIFOLDS???? :freak:

7.5 Would Be A Good Driving Class. :thumbsup: maybe nastruck, less wreaks more drivable. lets the beginners get a grip of the track and racing and they do not have to have the car setup perfect. we are getting alot of new guys. they need a slow class. believe me i would of liked to have gone slower my self. would of cost me alot less money on repairs. :drunk:

( Do You Guys Watch Nascar At All ????? ) :thumbsup:


Big, the only problem I see is that everyone would have to buy a new carb. Some may get upset at that fact alone. I would do whatever is required but we're not talking about me. I like the idea of using things/parts from other forms of racing. But there is alot of carbs in use right now that would be worthless to anyone else. Good idea, I just dont think it's feasable.

I like the new plate idea. I like the carbs we are running. They seem to hold up good and don't give alot of problem's. Once everyone gets a plate it will be a good thing. It will be cheaper in the long run. I don't think we will have a air leakage problem with the thicker plates. Hope it all works out for everyone.

scott : sorry to hear about your dad!
i get my dirt oval complete i can practice all i want on dirt. that should get the driving even better. plus i can tune my sprint car.
i sold my pro1 to freddie. he is going to make a truck out of it.
i have my truck body coming for the chassis i am making. going to make the chassis fit the body.
gram cracker is sitting right beside me. it is changing also.
see you at the track.

the butterfly carb is the same size as the wyk 9.0 or 10.5 a carb is a carb and the butterfly is easier to get and the stock manifolds for butterfly are every where. i have a website that has 300 different types of carbs, all for these motors we use. if you want the website let me know. there is 90% more dirt racers than black top. so the new big boy toys for off road has everything you want in the way of motor parts. plus the vehicles are awsome. 4x4 1/5 scale with 290 motors with butterfly carbs that have accelerator pumps. talk about hp. wow.

just letting every one know where to look for parts.

plus dirt parts are cheaper and they fit and work in road cars like ours. ((((( you mentioned money ))))). i really think if your in this 1/4 scale hobby, you got in because money is not a problem, at 2000.00 a car. another 50.00 for a carb is a drop in the big bucket.

wanna ask what a gram cracker cost????

get those cars ready to race this summer. i wish i lived some where i could run all year long.

I know what a cracker cost. If I could get one I would have one sitting in my shop. I dont care about spending money. I have more in 1/4 scales than I have in my real latemodel. I'm not complaining about the cost of a carb. But there is some that dont want to buy a new carb. Some people dont like change much. I am all for it. But it's not about me or you, it's about the entire qsac community. It's taken me awhile to understand that. I have learned from people who have been here alot longer than me,that thats the way it is. I can accept that. I am for the growth of this sport, and If I have to buy a new carb to race then thats what I'll do. I'll buy a new car if I have to. :p

i really think if your in this 1/4 scale hobby, you got in because money is not a problem, at 2000.00 a car. another 50.00 for a carb is a drop in the big bucket.There are some of us who race on a tight budget BigK, and that's my problem, but when racers cant afford to "make a drop in the big bucket", that's the sports problem. I've already experienced a dwindeling crowd once, not interested in another. just my two cents, rw

plus dirt parts are cheaper and they fit and work in road cars like ours. ((((( you mentioned money ))))). i really think if your in this 1/4 scale hobby, you got in because money is not a problem, at 2000.00 a car. another 50.00 for a carb is a drop in the big bucket.

wanna ask what a gram cracker cost????
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So why are you complaining about all of this if $50.00 is just a drop in the bucket??? LOL:lol: Don't want to make anyone mad but the QSAC guys and Girls are doing the best thing they can for the sport I think. But that is my opinion.
Hope everyone has a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year

NO COMMENTS ON BUTTERFLY CARBS ON ALUMINUM MANIFOLDS???? :freak:

7.5 Would Be A Good Driving Class. :thumbsup: maybe nastruck, less wreaks more drivable. lets the beginners get a grip of the track and racing and they do not have to have the car setup perfect. we are getting alot of new guys. they need a slow class. believe me i would of liked to have gone slower my self. would of cost me alot less money on repairs. :drunk:

( Do You Guys Watch Nascar At All ????? ) :thumbsup:
would you have said you wanted to go slower when you first started?

There are some of us who race on a tight budget BigK, and that's my problem, but when racers cant afford to "make a drop in the big bucket", that's the sports problem. I've already experienced a dwindeling crowd once, not interested in another. just my two cents, rw


that is why they have come up with the new plate. I believe $7.00. and you still use what you already have. I think it is a good idea. I have $50 or more for a new carb. but that doesn't mean i want to buy another one. i know guys in this sport that have plenty of money to spend . they still don't want major rule changes that require buying more stuff . especially at 50 or greater. look at all the 9mm laying around now. they should have used only a plate for that rule back 2 years ago and i wouldn't have 3 9mm laying on the bench now. i could have used that money for something else.
and no you can not run a 9mm in a 10.5 class so you hook up better in cold conditions. put it on your weed wacker because its not good for racing 1/4 anymore. thats a very good example there. guys already had 10.5 carbs.

so a plate is the best way to go. its pretty cheap. I know guys that quite other form of RC because the rules changed to allow or require more buying and left them with more and more stuff on the work bench that was not being run. and tired of rebuying more stuff to continue to race or compete.
that will kill any sport down to a handfull real quick. we are already a nich
as it is. I want to get my son a car and start him racing 1/4. and that is a strain on the wallet as is. Let alone silly rule changes , just because the stuff is out there. We don't have to use it just because someone makes it.

kind of silly to keep bring up the cost of a cracker.
most are not running a $2000.00 gram cracker. and probably wouldn't if they were avaliable if they had to spend that much. i know i didn't have the car i have now when it was at its higher cost back in 2001 and 2002. i went with something in my budget. now with the lower price i have the car i wanted before and he is just keeping up with the orders.
Not everyone is loaded with money , but they do want to race. and $50.00 or better would help them alot more if they could put it towards a new tire. either for more options or because they desperatly need new one.

that is why they have come up with the new plate. I believe $7.00. and you still use what you already have. I think it is a good idea. I have $50 or more for a new carb. but that doesn't mean i want to buy another one.

so a plate is the best way to go. its pretty cheap. I know guys that quite other form of RC because the rules changed to allow or require more buying and left them with more and more stuff on the work bench that was not being run. and tired of rebuying more stuff to continue to race or compete.
that will kill any sport down to a handfull real quick. we are already a nich
as it is. I want to get my son a car and start him racing 1/4. and that is a strain on the wallet as is. Let alone silly rule changes , just because the stuff is out there. We don't have to use it just because someone makes itYou nailed it. Pretty much sums up the way I see it, rw