First off, I don't want to start a fire storm, but this is going to have to be addressed and soon. With the current situation with batteries, little to no 4200's are currently being matched, I called pretty much everyone I know(and trust) in the battery world last week and I have 0 batteries on the way for Ovalmasters. 4600's are being matched as fast as they can. While some matchers already have them and others are still transitioning.

I figure it's good to get the opinion of the racers that race and make this series go.

Sonny B! When will 4600's be legal?

First off, I don't want to start a fire storm, but this is going to have to be addressed and soon. With the current situation with batteries, little to no 4200's are currently being matched, I called pretty much everyone I know(and trust) in the battery world last week and I have 0 batteries on the way for Ovalmasters. 4600's are being matched as fast as they can. While some matchers already have them and others are still transitioning.

I figure it's good to get the opinion of the racers that race and make this series go.

Sonny B! When will 4600's be legal?


Obviously I’ve been monitoring what’s going on with the current battery situation. I keep up on this not only for the BRL racers but as part of my job for Horizon, We are one of the largest distributors of these same cells (sport pack form) in the US.

I will say that what sometimes appears like an obvious decision to the racers may not always the correct decision long term. In some cases you just have to take a little time and let it sort out. I don’t’ want to make a knee jerk reaction till we have all the facts in place.

I hope to have more information for everyone soon. For this weekend nothing will change and we will stay 4200mah or less.

from what i had heard was that EP stop making the 4200 cell's and replaced them with 4600's, I too need pac's . And haven't heard if IB has fix there problem's and when those 4200's will be available. Just waiting to hear what everyone is going to do.. :wave:

There are still EP4200s going out to matchers. I don't know if they've now stopped making them or will soon, but at the moment there are still EP4200s in the pipeline.

In my opinion it's a good idea to see how things shake out. Some might end up disappointed if 4600s are legalized and they run out and buy them only to find out that the EP4200s are still available, cost less and perform equal to the 4600s on the track.

Danny.......E-mail Alan at Greeneville. He has a bunch of 4200's on the way for the Ovalmasters. I have two new packs I got fron EA last week. I'll bring those for ya if ya need them.

I hope we get a decicion pretty quick don't want a bunch of uneccesary cells!

First off, I don't want to start a fire storm, but this is going to have to be addressed and soon. With the current situation with batteries, little to no 4200's are currently being matched, I called pretty much everyone I know(and trust) in the battery world last week and I have 0 batteries on the way for Ovalmasters. 4600's are being matched as fast as they can. While some matchers already have them and others are still transitioning.

I figure it's good to get the opinion of the racers that race and make this series go.

Sonny B! When will 4600's be legal?

Danny B, This is not agianst you at all..

This is the kind of crap (rumors) that little by little hurt the sport, 4200's are still out there it is just that no matchers want to take a chance on matching them because the 4600 are also out,

Danny B, This is not agianst you at all..

This is the kind of crap (rumors) that little by little hurt the sport, 4200's are still out there it is just that no matchers want to take a chance on matching them because the 4600 are also out,
the problem they've had with the new 4200's is why nobody has them the rumor is the importers are not taking any ib's until they get them staightened out not that the matchers are holding out for the 4600's only roar has okayed the 4600 batts no one else that i have heard of.

I announced at the drivers meeting this weekend that the EP4600 will be legal starting with Race 3 in Vinton.

Most feel the 4200's will be little better in terms of voltage but the 4600's are pretty close ,there more durable, and more available.

Tracks need racers to race not stay home because of battery issues beyond there control. We are starting to build some momentum in the oval world so lets keep moving forward.

Thanks for the heads up on these cells. I ordered mine today...

Good Move Sonny!

I would just like to have a battery that doesn't blow up when you charge it that would be GREAT.....


Eric Knapp

Danny B, This is not agianst you at all..

This is the kind of crap (rumors) that little by little hurt the sport, 4200's are still out there it is just that no matchers want


First off, I don't want to start a fire storm, but this is going to have to be addressed and soon. With the current situation with batteries, little to no 4200's are currently being matched, I called pretty much everyone I know(and trust) in the battery world last week and I have 0 batteries on the way for Ovalmasters. 4600's are being matched as fast as they can. While some matchers already have them and others are still transitioning.

I figure it's good to get the opinion of the racers that race and make this series go.

Sonny B! When will 4600's be legal?

It's not rumors or crap. Everything I said is 100% true based on the people I talked to.

Initially, the 4600 looks good but there are many questions still yet to be answered.

are the ProMatch E-Power 4500 4 Cell Matched Pack the same as the 4600 you are talking about here? may be a stupid question but im just getting back in the hobby and trying to sort out the battery stuff. i hope to run some of the BRL and want to make sure what i buy is legal to run.
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Randy Ramsey

are the ProMatch E-Power 4500 4 Cell Matched Pack the same as the 4600 you are talking about here? may be a stupid question but im just getting back in the hobby and trying to sort out the battery stuff. i hope to run some of the BRL and want to make sure what i buy is legal to run.
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Randy Ramsey

Yes they are the same cell.

try nate at www.rematchracing.com I got paks from his last friday and good numebrs no fake numbers from him at all. good service too!!!!! tell him bryan sent you.

Hi all, Had a blast yesterday at Vinton, even though my weight keep falling off and getting stuck in the steering and breaking a t-plate in the main. :eek: My question ls did anyone run the new 4600's yesterday and if so how are you chargingand peaking them and what about dead shorting and discharging. I have heard that the new cells are flat, meaning they are not producing as much power as the 4200's. Can this be because no one has found anything to bring the cells to life yet? I have three new packs coming in today and I want to know what is the best way to treat these cells.


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Jack

I heard it helps to charge them backwards. It will give the batteries more rip! :wave:

Ran Some This Weekend At Omaha And They Ran Just As Good As My 4200's They Actually Felt A Little Stronger Definitly More Run Time!!!

I was curious as I had heard the new EnerG cells were not going to be legal anytime soon why that is. From what I have been told they are the same as the EP cell just different wrap, could be wrong but that is what I have been told.

*rule change*

Makes sense...I guess. How many of the local matchers have the ep's available? I haven't seen then from anyone around here...not that I have been looking a lot thought!!

I just got off the phone with Sonny. He asked me to post that the EnerG 4600 will be legal for the Allen's race. Sonny said he will confirm it when he gets back from the Open Wheel Champs.

On the above topic of matchers having the EP4200s available. The EP4200 have been available to any matcher in for at least the last 6-8 months. The cell supply has been short latley, but they have been in circulation for an extended period of time.

Corey, I meant the EP46's that are legal, but since Sonny is making the enerG cells legal then it is all good! See you at Allen's.

just legalize lipos and get it over with

how abought the new intelect 4600 is it legal?

See Sonny's Post On The Hyperdrive 300 Race Re:ib4600

how abought the new intelect 4600 is it legal?
No not legal yet.

That could change before the next race but for now I want to evaluate the cells and see if they are more stable.

oh heck guys any of thease can blow up now a days thanks for info

oh heck guys any of thease can blow up now a days thanks for info

Blow-ups are obviously a concern but the poor longevity of the cell and a racers cost to replace them is also a concern of mine.

The test batch lasted about a month before cells started to fail… IMO this is not acceptable.

forgive me for saying this and im sure il get yelled at for this but if they have been allowed all this time Why would u all of a sudden tell guys that like to run ibs that they cant? i mean i dont run brl so i have no point in this but alot of places follow what your doing now and i was just curious to what direction brl is going? This is racing is it not? run what ya brung and hope your fast enough?

If I am understanding Sonny correctly and I did read the post from the last race (The Hyperdrive 300 Race Re:ib4600) he is only concerned with the NEW IB 4600's and NOT the IB4200's. Other 4600's are legal EP's and EnerG's. I have read that it is mainly because of availability. The new cells just shipped last week. Not all matchers have them yet, however Sonny can speak for himself and when he is happy with the new cells then I am sure they will be legal too.

My 2 cents (if it's worth anything)

forgive me for saying this and im sure il get yelled at for this but if they have been allowed all this time Why would u all of a sudden tell guys that like to run ibs that they cant? i mean i dont run brl so i have no point in this but alot of places follow what your doing now and i was just curious to what direction brl is going? This is racing is it not? run what ya brung and hope your fast enough?

I think your confused, I'm still allowing the IB4200.... I would like to get rid of them but to many of my racers still have them...

The IB4600 is the only cell not yet approved.

The battery deal is screwed up right now and it is killing electric racing across the board.

I’m working with some other key individuals on a long term solution so this mess will go away. It will take a few months but going into next season we will not have the same problems

... The battery deal is screwed up right now and it is killing electric racing across the board ...

You have a PM.

Steve.

I think your confused, I'm still allowing the IB4200.... I would like to get rid of them but to many of my racers still have them...

The IB4600 is the only cell not yet approved.

The battery deal is screwed up right now and it is killing electric racing across the board.

I’m working with some other key individuals on a long term solution so this mess will go away. It will take a few months but going into next season we will not have the same problems

Are you considering a LiPo class or classes ??

i've heard rumors that it might be considered for next yr. but not before.

How about the Ener G cells

airconde-answer below, only cell not approved as of now is the IB4600



I think your confused, I'm still allowing the IB4200.... I would like to get rid of them but to many of my racers still have them...

The IB4600 is the only cell not yet approved.

The battery deal is screwed up right now and it is killing electric racing across the board.

I’m working with some other key individuals on a long term solution so this mess will go away. It will take a few months but going into next season we will not have the same problems

Thank you

A123 They Do Not Fail They Do Not Blow Up. The Safest And Best Battery And The Most Cost Effective Battery On The Market. The Rest Of The World Is Running Li-po Or Li-lon Batteries. Wake Up.

A123 They Do Not Fail They Do Not Blow Up. The Safest And Best Battery And The Most Cost Effective Battery On The Market. The Rest Of The World Is Running Li-po Or Li-lon Batteries. Wake Up.
BIGKAHUNA, are you saying we here in the US need to switch to Li-po or Li-ion? If so I have seen a few Li-po's catch fire and they are hard to put out. I wish there were a 4 cell equivalent in these batteries. I think the Pan Car guys would switch right away, I don't really like the thought of switching the chassis to accommodate a 6 cell equivalent Li-po or Li-Ion although I know guys used to run 6 cell pan cars with much smaller cells though and brushed motors. Yes the day is coming when we all will probably be running them. But I can see it now, guys over charging them to get more power out of them and fires starting because of it. I would like to see a good 4 cell Li-Ion pack, although with current technology I know that is not possible.

My 2 cents :o
Jack

damn jack i have been preaching that exact gospel for a year now! and i catch nothing but hell for it!

what i see is ......we will need to buy a 17.5 and a 21.5 motor.a new chassis to accomodate the lipo hard casesd cells.....than decide on what size lipo is legal........


i would be butchering up my ride to accomodate a lipo pack....maunufacturers will soon be making new chassis so we can still run our electronics on the left side along with the long dorky lipo pack!

so two new motors 17.5 21.5
upgraded chassis and or new car
charger if you do not own a lipo charger
a lipo pack or two or three


right now 90% of the hard core oval heads do not want to do 3 out of 4 of the above... and I can't wait for the matched lipo packs......yes they will be coming and oval heads will need to buy them.

mike boylan said it best.......

nicad cells when they were released for r/c cars were not sold matched......matching came months later......the same will happen to lipo cells.........in the end there will never be a quick fix or an easy fix...the monster called evolution cannot be stopped.

Well this is my 2 cents at my local track we have almost all switched over to lipo. The reason being that everybody was tired of buying the battery of the month. To this day not one of us has had to buy a new chassi. For my self I had to buy a 6 cell tray not a big deal. The lipo we run is the trak pack hard case 4900 mah it weighs just as much as my old IB 4200 fully put together. In my opinion its like having team packs every run. About the matching thing I balance my lipo but if you watch the balancer it barely even comes on so I wouldn't even reccomened buying the balancer. To me this is the way to go 1 battery all year sounds good to me later guy's

Great post Batman!!! Hopefully Sonny you will allow Li-po's next year, without limiting which battery you have to run. I saw a car yesterday running the carbon edition lipo with almost 4 oz of weight added to it.

sonny ran the 4600's IB's this weekend with several packs, no charging issues or cells getting hotter than others, seem to run fine.......just some feedback

thats good,

And to big kahuna, i hope your not saying that lipos don't blow up, i have seen a lipo blow up at a sprint car race last year. I was about 10 ft from it and could feel the heat coming off the battery. Luckily that guy wasn't sitting there, because he would be very messed up right now. BUT i have never seen a hard cased (or heard of for that matter) lipo blow up. I just bought some ib4600's, and a local sponsored driver ran them all weekend at our big race, and had no problems at all.

I've been running LiPo with 21.5 for about 3 weeks now and it IS simply heaven !!

I have ** ONE ** pack. That's it. I run it ALL DAY LONG -- it runs as fast in the A-Main as it did on the first practice run of the day.

Any type of battery can have issues -- I am NOT saying that LiPo is 100% guaranteed safe. No one can say that about any battery. But I have talked to several tracks that have been running it on a weekly basis for 6 months to a couple of years and NONE of them have had ANY issues with them at the track (I'm not saying it can't happen). I just get a little tired of hearing the old "you'll shoot your eye out" (i.e. you'll burn the place down with those things) from guys who just don't want to see LiPo. I'll put money on it that if you have ever seen a LiPo have problems, it's because it was charged wrong or it was damaged and shoundn't have been used to start with.

The Orion Carbon 3200 is what we are running and it is an awesome pack -- consistent and great performance every run.

Also - I did not have to "hack up" my 2 KSG Gen 2 cars -- I simply got a LiPo tray from Big Boys and it fits the car like a glove !

Back to the matter at hand.

Sonny is the IB 4600 going to be legal for Ft. Wayne? I think we need to know soon so that we have time to get them if they are. I have the Ener-G cells right now and they are great, but will probably be getting some IB's IF they are legal.

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DZ

Hey, GOODWRENCH you said you got a Lipo tray from Big Boys for your GEN 2 where did you buy it, and can I see one somewhere? I see this being the next step in oval with the battery situation what it is. THANKS

Hey, GOODWRENCH you said you got a Lipo tray from Big Boys for your GEN 2 where did you buy it, and can I see one somewhere? I see this being the next step in oval with the battery situation what it is. THANKS

There is a picture of it here:

http://www.hobbytalk.com/bbs1/showpost.php?p=2104881&postcount=1

You can PM him -- great service and fast shipping. It fits the Gen 2 like a glove and is really nicely made.

Also -- here is a picture of my Gen-2 LiPo ride:

http://www.hobbytalk.com/bbs1/attachment.php?attachmentid=50054