Not sure why you guys are so crazy about this line, I just received about 10 of their cars and none of the them have the bottom painted anymore, and not only that the Shelby GT500 is kind of a dog!! This car looks good from the side, but the undercarriage looks like a cheapo unfinished $0.99 kiddie car from walmart, the wheels are about as wide as the car itself, and the engine detail is nothing to write home about.

Just for those who ardently defend this brand, I will admit to the concept Dodge Challenger and the Concept Camaro being fairly nice castings...but I still think the wheels are too wide and the interiors would be nice painted up a bit. Of course, nice details like separate pieces for the head/tail lights, followed by separate pieces for the undercarriage would also add a lot more to these models...

Pix comparing several brands - WITH EXCRUTIATING DETAILED ANALYSIS (german style) - to follow....

As soon as I get my digital camera, I will have pix of several brands that many of you may like to know more about, as well some of my customs.

Sheldon, I do look forward to the pics of your customs. Please make sure you share them with our HT custom board as well. We love fresh pics and good work over there.

As for taking the time to compare and dissect Greenlight on the Greenlight board, I would save my time. Isn't that like casting pearls before swine? We are here, on the Greenlight threads because we LIKE Greenlight. Do you really think you will make any converts in our own house?

We are not blind, we know there are problems and opportunities to work on the castings. In fact many people have mentioned there dislike of the large tires ( I for one don't mind the width, but find some models seem to have far to large circumference) as well other issues like the unpainted chassis. In fact I have stated how much out of scale I felt that the 300J's seemed to be, though many people, including Greenlight themselves have provided me the numbers showing me I'm wrong.

It's OK to express dislikes and problems, it's just the approach you have with the line... "Pix comparing several brands - WITH EXCRUTIATING DETAILED ANALYSIS (german style) - to follow...."

What's my point? Don't sweet the small stuff. If you don't like them, don't buy them. I don't like .99 cent Hot Wheels, but I don't go to the Hot Wheels board and tell them how under detailed and out of perspective their choice in collecting is! Do you think I would find many friends over there with that approach?

But PLEASE do hit us with your custom work! I look forward to it.

Ward

I agree with this.


It's OK to express dislikes and problems, it's just the approach you have with the line... "Pix comparing several brands - WITH EXCRUTIATING DETAILED ANALYSIS (german style) - to follow...."

What's my point? Don't sweet the small stuff. If you don't like them, don't buy them. I don't like .99 cent Hot Wheels, but I don't go to the Hot Wheels board and tell them how under detailed and out of perspective their choice in collecting is! Do you think I would find many friends over there with that approach?

But PLEASE do hit us with your custom work! I look forward to it.

Ward

Ward,

It is in the interest of collectors for GL to improve, why else post here? Most of the comments I read about GL are glorious praise, which led me to buy a lot of them and to be quite disappointed. This is what GL reads and they use this as feedback.

How else will GL improve? If GL appointed itself a kiddie car, then I wouldn't bother. But with the "collector" label, I have to treat them like... well, a collector line!!!

Let's not make excuses for them. I want them to improve because I am an avid collector and do NOT tolerate inferior "collectible" products!

Sincerely,
Robert

The "tone" of this post was not one that one would expect from a diecast
fan who is in touch with the fact that GL is a young company that is trying 500% harder to please collectors than any of the other U.S based companies
currently manufacturing 1/64th scale adult oriented diecast. Speaking your
mind is fine, but we all must strive to communicate without raising our voices.

Regards, DrDeal

The "tone" of this post was not one that one would expect from a diecast
fan who is in touch with the fact that GL is a young company that is trying 500% harder to please collectors than any of the other U.S based companies
currently manufacturing 1/64th scale adult oriented diecast. Speaking your
mind is fine, but we all must strive to communicate without raising our voices.

Regards, DrDeal

I Totally agree with this statement.

Robert,

OK, now I see where you were going with the first thread. Like DrDealOne said, it was the "tone" of your first comment that I was responding to. After reading your second post, I better understand what you were saying.

I have said the very exact things right here on HT. When you label yourself "collectible" and charge $4 to $5 each, you are truly stepping into a higher exception. I think Greenlight ( or any other manufacture in the same position) has to see this the same way.

I also agree that they are trying so much more then ANY other line in the marketplace. I know that they read this board, and are very open to the comments of their customers ( both positive and negative). I was just hit by your "tone" and thought it was unnecessary to have a bash fest on the boards. As for constructive comments and criticism, let her rip. Remembering that constructive is the key word. We can deal with even negative thoughts in a positive way.

Please accept my apologies if I offended you in anyway. I never meant to come across that way at all. I just knew that no one here was interested in a bashing thread.

I'm still excited to see the custom pics as well.

Sincerely,
Ward

I see nothing wrong with anything they have produced in this $4-$5 price range.
I believe that besides the wheels and tires being a little wider than they should be that these cars are perfect.
If they feel the need to make the `detailing ` better that there is always room to improve and of course charge the correct $8-$12 a piece for them.
I wouldn`t mind seeing more detailed cuda`s and challengers coming down the pipeline but I know they wouldn`t be in this $4-$5 price range and I`d have to pay accordinly

sheldon, thanks for speaking your mind.
I agree with some of the things you are saying, and agree that greenlight needs to improve.

Sheldon,

I understand constructive critizism but you keep beating the same old drum in every post. If GL reads this forum, which I know they do, they know your views all too well. I come here to enjoy this hobby. If you don't like what this company puts out, don't buy it. They aren't in business just to make Sheldon happy. If you aren't happy do us all a favor and go find something that makes you that happy. I'm just as much an avid collector as anyone, including you. I'm just not as anal about having to have a perfect diecast. From the other posts here most appear to share that viewpoint.

Sheldon,

I'm just not as anal about having to have a perfect diecast.

Real classy "Bob"...

To all others,

In any event, there have been MANY diecast companies charging in the $3-$5 range for better detail, so I find it hard to accept the premise of "what do you want for less then $5". I also find it hard to accept "if you do not like them, don't buy them" nonsense because GLs are being sold as "collectibles" (not kiddie cars). Additionally, if they are open minded, they should heed these remarks and greatly improve their product.

Specific cases for "better than GL" in the same $3-$5 range:
1) Ertl's American Muscle series in 1/64, $3-$4 each. Opening hood and trunk, REALISTIC wheels and excellent proportions and interpretation to scale, separate components for head/tail lights and undercarriage, painted interiors. Quality was iffy, but decent nonetheless.

2) Shelby Collectibles are in the $3-$4 range, with opening doors/hood, separate components for head/tail lights. Quality is decent.

3) Muscle Machines with the Chevy Pro Rod series were in the $3-%5 range depending on where you bought them. Opening doors, removable hood, respectable proportions, and marginal detail for the lights/undercarraige (painted on just like GL).

Specific cases for collectibles in the $5-$10 range:
1) 100% HW. Probably the best in terms of quality and detail. Lacking in features like no opening panels other than engine hood. Slightly overpriced, perhaps contributed in part because of unnecessary and exotic packaging.

2) GMP. The best one I have ever seen in 1/64. Great features with all opening panels, details, extra components for lights/undercarriage, painted interiors. Only problem here is that they only did the C5 Vette.

Other honorable mentions for nice quality and detail, but no features/openings:
1) CM's (recently introduced the second line with opening hood)
2) Kyosho
3) Norev
4) Hotspeed/Autoart
6) Tamiya (Muscle Machines re-badged these with the Japanese GT line)

In summary, GL is in the right area in that I have faith that someone there can check out their competition and strive to do it better. Not only that, I say this with some concern because GL has not seemed to improve much the past year and a half. GL can greatly improve details and features, and get away with charging in the $5-$7 range for a more exclusive line. They could always make the 'middle of the road' cars in the $2-$3 range for those who "don't care about details", but then we are stuck with the same thing we have now. I won't mention JL because that is a hopeless case.

PS.
If you want to see some really cool detail in 1/87 and 1/43, check these out:
http://www.hightechmodell.de/
http://www.miniwerks.com/

Sheldon, I am going to agree with the others, that you have a tough sell to trash greenlight here. These guys like greenlight , as do I. Even though I have paint issues with one green machine (can be seen on the green machine forum). It is just on one car. Over all I like them. There is no doubt that there is nicer stuff out there. But not for $3.99. The price is the kicker on most items. I think any Hot Wheel priced over $.99 is over priced, but that is my opinion. You know what they say about opinions, opinions are like you know whats, everybody has one and they all smell. Do your self a favor and don't buy any more greenlights. I can tell they will never live up to your expectations.

I bought the white with blue stripes and the blue with white stripes 1967 Shelby GT500 Fastbacks from the Barrett-Jackson series and I am very happy with both castings. If I find two more, I'll buy them for openers.

If I didn't like the castings, I wouldn't have bought them.

I sincerely believe the people at Greenlight read these posts and will correct quality control problems.

2) GMP. The best one I have ever seen in 1/64. Great features with all opening panels, details, extra components for lights/undercarriage, painted interiors. Only problem here is that they only did the C5 Vette.

that vette is super quality.I`d love to see a cuda made by them.

I, for one, applaud Sheldon for being a passionate collector who wants the best quality that companies can produce. I look forward to the promised German Style Excruciating Detail comparison photos of different brands.

After I looked at the link below, I appreciate Greenlight diecast cars more.

These are 1/72 scale diecast cars (smaller than 1/64 scale and cost MUCH more).

http://www.shrockbrothers.com/72nd_scale_cars.html

The best way I can think to put things. If you like it buy it, if don't, then don't. I like the JLs and will buy the ones I want. I like the GLs and IMHO, you get a lot for the money. I compare them to the rest of my Die-cast and am very pleased.

2) Shelby Collectibles are in the $3-$4 range, with opening doors/hood, separate components for head/tail lights. Quality is decent.


my vote is with this one... opening doors! (wow, what a concept!)...multi piece engines.. like he said, separate peices for head/tail lights, correctly proportioned tires... AND... side mirrors!
FOR THE SAME OR A CHEAPER PRICE THAN GL.... how do they do it?

..and why are diescast companys making ADULT collectibles so afraid to put on side mirrors? .. Is it that astronomicly higher cost? How does Shelby do it?

Sheldon,

Oh yeah, my bad about the "anal" thing. Guess I should have said obsessive. That would have been more to the point.

sheesh, more brand bashing, just what we need... "my company is better than your company... my dad can beat up your dad"

Every company has quality issues at one point or another. To blindly say that one company has never ever had a quality issue is just plain arrogent.

And why do people compare price? I can go out and buy a Hyundai that has all the same qualityies and features of a Land Rover (except for the cup holders) for 1/2 the price. you don't see anyone telling Land Rover "Hey, your quality stinks for the price"

Every company positions themselves in a certain price range. Ferrari's are high dollar exotics, Bentleys are high dollar luxary, Kia's are economical and cheap. HW's are cheap $1 cars, JL and GL are $3-5 cars, Shelby positioned themselves slightly cheaper.

Heres one thing that was mentioned here... tires. I seem to recall JL's release of the Olds Super 88 with the tires being kinda skinny... and them being ragged over it, even though it was a little bit better proportioned to the actual width of the real tire.

I collect for fun and personal enjoyment, not to critique each and every car. If I got a problem, I'll just either return it for another one, or make that one a custom.

If i spent everyday that I looked at my die-cast collection, saying "tires are to big... bottoms aren't painted... color is not the proper shade of forrest emerald light green, this is forrest emerald medium green" I would never be able to ENJOY them. And after all, isn't enjoyment what this whole hobby is about?

sheldon, thanks for speaking your mind.
I agree with some of the things you are saying, and agree that greenlight needs to improve.
i feel that way to, but over all i like GL alot

The point of us 'adults' being 'collectors', or more specifically 'adult collectors' (or any hobby whose central focus is a realistic miniature) is the fact that these cars closely resemble the actual thing!!

If I were to have the attitude "it is good enough" or "so what if it is a little off", then I may as well stick to mediocrity and only purchase the kiddie cars (or not even enjoy this hobby at all).... in fact, most of you marvel - like I do - at the level of great detail implemented with these miniatures, and the added benefit of being able to afford to buy and enjoy them (made possible with our wonderful capitalist system).

Parsing words, the whole reason why we preface the "collectibles" word with "adult" instead of "children's" is that as adults, we appreciate and more importantly are able to discern the good from the bad, the 'real' from the 'non real', etc.

Again, if GL claims to be selling to the "adult collector", then I expect superior detail and quality... no cutting corners. And again, I will say that I like GL, and I certainly think GL can do better.

As for comparing brands, why not? How else do you measure?

The thing about saying "If you don't like it, don't buy it." is that the companies need to know why we don't buy some of their products.

Just last night I was tempted to buy two of the GL 'cudas at Target, but I ultimately put them back on the pegs because I just can't buy the big gaps between the rear of the plastic roof piece and the metal body underneath. One even had missing paint on the rear of the roof (the plastic underneath is white). The 1970 Barracuda is my favorite Mopar bodystyle, and GL's roof-to-trunk transition on it is just not accurate. I didn't like it, so I didn't buy it, but they need to know why.

I left the white Shelbys on the pegs due to paint problems on both of the available examples. One even had scratches on the hood with bare metal showing through. Sorry, but $3.99 still means something to me! (I don't buy JLs when they offer the same quality lapses, either.)

I did buy GL's yellow Cutlass, and their gold and red Corvettes. Some of the other gold Corvettes on the pegs had serious paint quality issues, too.

Accuracy and high quality still need to be job #1. I like GLs, but they need to be nice enough for me to buy them.

I wrote a letter to GL in July 2006 about the paint issues, and they asked me to send in some of the cars for examination and replacement. They said that they would correct the paint problems in the future. I had hoped that they would have succeeded in that by now.

I can't order GLs online until I can trust that their paint and assembly quality will be consistently high. I want to buy them, but I need to have faith in reliable quality assurance first.

Maybe the people who complain about detail and quality should work for Greenlight. I'm sure all problems will be solved with Greenlight's detail and quality.

I wonder if their next complaint will be that their wages are too low. :confused:

If I don't like a specific diecast company......I DON'T BUY IT!

If I don't like a particular casting made by any diecast company......I DON'T BUY IT!

Even high end diecast cars in larger scales that are $100-$300 and more have some detail issues. When you think about it, 1:1 cars have detail and quality control issues. :rolleyes:

hurmm, seems to be getting a little off what the original topic was about.

welt sheldon was complaining about was the meer fact that the cars aren't exactly 100% accurate to the real car, not with quality issues such as paint (which i completly agree on myself, i just bought that same yellow cutlass, only to find a bad paint job all over the drivers side of the car)

Well, I feel like I made this much worse that it would have been by my first response.
As it was pointed out, I was responding to the perceived tone, not so much what he said.

Sheldon, As I stated, I do understand your comments better based on your second post. All toy car companies can use constructive comments, including the negative ones as well. I never would make a blanket statement regarding Greenlight or any other manufacture being perfect, They can all improve based on there price points.

I just maintain my basic principle that we need to stay on target and keep it positive.
Greenlight will be much more responsive to a well thought out comment delivered in an articulate manner. They are a great company, who I think are working on their quality issues.

Let's hear from you GL, we know you are listening. How do you address the obvious quality issues that have seemingly arisen since going to a larger mass market run. We would love to here how you guys are facing this opportunity.

Sincerely,
Ward

I'll make my post short and to the point.

I'll still buy 1/64 scale Greenlight diecast cars that I like......even with no painted bottoms and wide wheels.

I like both GL and JL 1/64 scale cars but the quality on both lines is only OK. There are paint issues, wheel accuracy issues, tire width issues, packaging issues, sloppy assembly issues, plastic hardtop issues, correct scale issues, model selection issues (rainbow Impala and Christmas chromed Tuckers - why?). Collectible or not, they are just toy cars. They are so much better than toys in this scale from 20 or 40 years ago. One can only imagine how good model cars/toys might be in another ten or fifteen years.

Free trade and capitalism make for great competition so enjoy while you can.

I find the best, most accurate and most pleasing small scale die cast models to be the 1/72 scale models (of mostly European cars) from Hongwell/Schuco Junior and Real-X. These are much more satisfying models - especially in accurate representation and size of wheels and tires. They are also packaged more carefully (boxed actually - not packed in a plastic bubble). 'Course you've gotta prefer Mercedes & Porsches and the like more than Camaros and Dodges and such. I do and favor the 1/72 scale models. But I buy plenty of the 1/64 scale JL/GL stuff and enjoy the now thorough exploration of the American muscle car era by these companies. They could take some chances though with wagons and '40s/'50s cars (but no more Chevrolets).

For $4 or $5 or so you take your chances with the Jl/GL stuff. If you want perfect - well spend more and buy 1/43 scale from Minichamps & Spark.

- ranchero -

I find the best, most accurate and most pleasing small scale die cast models to be the 1/72 scale models (of mostly European cars) from Hongwell/Schuco Junior and Real-X. These are much more satisfying models - especially in accurate representation and size of wheels and tires. They are also packaged more carefully (boxed actually - not packed in a plastic bubble). 'Course you've gotta prefer Mercedes & Porsches and the like more than Camaros and Dodges and such. I do and favor the 1/72 scale models.

- ranchero -

Did you look at the link that I posted ranchero? Here it is again.

http://www.shrockbrothers.com/72nd_scale_cars.html

Maybe the people who complain about detail and quality should work for Greenlight. I'm sure all problems will be solved with Greenlight's detail and quality.

I wonder if their next complaint will be that their wages are too low. :confused:


That sounds like one of my dream jobs! Where do I sign up? :)

I would work there for a year for minimum wage plus free cars!! :thumbsup: ;) (My love of little cars precludes my common sense!)

I would also spend a year in China with GL to help them get the quality back on track!!! :thumbsup: (As long as I get to ride the Shanghai maglev train a few times!)




If I don't like a specific diecast company......I DON'T BUY IT!

If I don't like a particular casting made by any diecast company......I DON'T BUY IT!

Even high end diecast cars in larger scales that are $100-$300 and more have some detail issues. When you think about it, 1:1 cars have detail and quality control issues. :rolleyes:
Scale up the typical 1:64 paint issues to 1:1 and see how long the car companies would stay in business. :) I can imagine the reception a new car with a 4" chunk of debris trapped under the paint on the hood would get! :p

Seriously, the accuracy and quality problems of 1/64 diecast cars are so annoying because they are so incredibly simple to solve. All it takes is a bit of careful attention to what is happening during the design and manufacturing processes.
(Yes, I have "Been there, done that" for other companies. It's cake when the bosses truly care about their customers' satisfaction.)

Hi all,

Interestingly, I am not overly critical if GL quality, they are decent and WELL within the margin of acceptability (despite some of the reported irregularities)... my complaint with GL is with poor interpretation of scale, lack of features, along with mediocre detail.... NOT quality!

Having said this, my biggest problem is *some* people giving them too much praise. The praise is over the top. After reading comments like "GL castings are incredible..." or "GL's are beating out the competition...", I had to voice some scepticism. Analogously, it is like praising every child in school, irrespective of how well or poorly they scored on a test or played their sport. I do NOT believe in a pass or fail system... GL is NOT a 10, nor are they a 3... they are a 7.

Perhaps GL is a *better* company then they are model builders. Maybe they pay their employees very well, but their product has room for improvement.

I would like to see this "great" company make "great" cars, not slightly above average ones.

I would like to see this "great" company make "great" cars, not slightly above average ones.

well said. even I can't argue that one!

I would like to see this "great" company make "great" cars, not slightly above average ones.

I also can't argue with that comment.

As a matter of fact, I would be willing to pay $2-$3 more per car like the JL Gold Series cars.

Every diecast vehicle of any price range, scale, quality level, genre, etc. has quality control issues. ALL OF THEM!

I'm more annoyed when I see a $4-$5 car with a defect than I am when I see a $1 car with the same defect, but I understand these things happen, I do buy cars with defects (anyone who knows me knows why :lol: ), but I know I'm in the minority.

What upsets me is when a company fudges details they know aren't right, representing a casting as something it's not. My favorite example of this right now is JL's intention of releasing a 65 Chevy C10 as 'Unce Jesse's truck' in an upcoming 'Dukes of Hazzard' release. The only thing right about this release is the color (and I'm mildly surprised they didn't paint it chartruese so they could be definitively wrong about it), but here's the thing;

I've never seen GreenLight pull this kind of stunt!
They're not using a 69 Mustang to represent a 70.

GreenLight is far and away the most attentive of the diecast companies (in my observation) with regard to questions, comments, and even complaints from thier customers. They are doing it right!

As for quality control, let me say this with all due respect to everyone posting in this thread or happening by;

If you don't like the quality of what's out there, do it yourself!

Spend the time, money, and effort to secure the aboslute best and brightest available, and go for the gold.

But do not be surprised when you've achieved the absolute perfect specimen of the 1:64 scale 68 Shelby GT500, only to find that the average collector wont be willing or able to justify spending $175 dollars for it.

So GreenLight has some issues, they all do.
They're working a damn sight harder to correct them though.

I've never seen GreenLight pull this kind of stunt!
They're not using a 69 Mustang to represent a 70.


True that. Just like the 70/72 Cutlass/442. Same exact car except for a few minor details, which GL got correct (has to do with front grill and tail lights)

My favorite one from JL is the "Scrapin` 1984 Oldsmobile 442" ... Oldsmobile did not make a 442 that year!

Or JLs 1997 Impala SS (complete with Caprice grill, 93 and earlier interior, caprice taillights, and small detail that 96 was the last year for the B-body Impala :D)

True that. Just like the 70/72 Cutlass/442. Same exact car except for a few minor details, which GL got correct (has to do with front grill and tail lights)

My favorite one from JL is the "Scrapin` 1984 Oldsmobile 442" ... Oldsmobile did not make a 442 that year!
Or the 3 and counting misrepresentations of the 74 monaco as Police cars from the 'Dukes' series.

Or that they released 5 'Generals' before they finally installed a pushbar.

As much as I like JL, and I really love JL, I'm insulted by the sheer number of mistakes, omissions, and deliberate misrepresenttations committed by JL in just the Dukes of Hazzard series alone.
I'm angry that they release cars that were used in a single episode to stretch the viability of the series, then insult our intelligence by substituting castings they already make to cut costs (instead of making castings they could use for years to come in many different releases), while charging us a premium to have our intelligence insulted
Examples;
66 CJ5 to represent Daisy's 79 or 80 CJ7

74 Monaco for a 77 Monaco for Roscoe's, Enos' & Sheriff Little's patrol cars(with at least 2 more, possibly 3 in the works)

72 Road Runner for Daisy's 73 RoadRunner

And now the Coup de Grace;
65 Chevy C10 for 73 Ford F-100

Cooter's tow truck is planned in a future release, it'll almost certainly be thier F450 tow truck casting.

I didn't intend to hijack this thread to rip on JL, I love JL, and only citing the example in my original post as an extreme example of something GL does not do.

Stutz - I have seen those Shrock Studebakers. That is really a very different, and special, business. Those are all hand made white metal models - like Brooklins but in the smaller scale. They are very nice and it is certainly interesting that someone will take the risk in the market of selling models of what can only be considered an obscure (though historic) brand of cars. I know of only one other line of model cars dedicated to one and only one brand of 1:1 scale cars. That is Abrex from the Czech Republic which markets only Skodas. The models are made in China, probably by Hongwell, for the Czech company for distribution only in Europe. - ranchero -

I didn't know if you saw pics of the Shrock Brothers Studebakers ranchero.

I think that I have a link on how the cars are made. Send me a PM and I'll send it to you.

I didn't know if you saw pics of the Shrock Brothers Studebakers ranchero.

I think that I have a link on how the cars are made. Send me a PM and I'll send it to you.
Stutz
You live closer to Shrocks than I do. Yet, I am proud to say I have visited them at least 4 times in the last approximate 2-3 years. Only 3 people produce these cars ; 2 brothers and a wife of 1 of the brothers. These car
models in great detail are casted 20 at a time in pewter- not white metal.

This is truly a different catagory of diecast production than GL or JL !

For others;
Don't forget, GL only recently began producing their own castiings! Their first attempt at diecast were enhanced MotorMax castings approximately less than 5 years ago! GL has come a long way since then! I can recall as a kid
almost 60 years ago , that the best small scale models available in the local 5-10s were Tootsietoys. These didn't even have baseplates!!!
I am thusly quite impressed with the good quality of recent GLs and JLs and other manufacturers!

Stutz
You live closer to Shrocks than I do. Yet, I am proud to say I have visited them at least 4 times in the last approximate 2-3 years. Only 3 people produce these cars ; 2 brothers and a wife of 1 of the brothers. These car
models in great detail are casted 20 at a time in pewter- not white metal.

This is truly a different catagory of diecast production than GL or JL !

I never knew about Shrock Brothers Studebaker models until last year. I was only comparing the price of a Shrock Brothers model (1/72 scale) to a $4 Greenlight model. I'm sure faults can be found with a Shrock Studebaker that costs about 20 times more than a Greenlight. The Shrock models are hand made and are nice models. I wish that I could see a Shrock Studebaker at a local toy show before I bought one. It's hard to compare a hand made model to a diecast toy that is mass produced.

I'm guessing that you have some Shrock Studebaker models since you visited them at least 4 times. Is it posible to post some close-up pics of these models in the Diecast Collecting thread?

Thanks in advance......STUTZ :wave:

I can understand a lot of the collector's different opinions and complaints mentioned here. I also have my own.

I think every manufacturer has cars it does an awesome job with and cars that need drastic improvements.

I do agree with the comments made about misrepresentation of the models and years of cars that companies like JL use to fill blanks due to their lack of diecast molds available to them. It would be interesting to know if JL takes into consideration what percentage of collectors are concerned with these inacuracies.

Children aren't concerned with such details but we collectors are. This is one of the expectations we have. This is one reason why we pay these prices. When quality and accuracy slip too far, then the company's sales will also.

If you think about it, every company has cars that it does really well. I rather have fat tires than thin ones. I'd like accurate scales also but it's not always possible with a 4in. card in which to mount the car to.
I like that GL's cars match the cards. JL cars don't always match or rarely do. Their wheels almost never do. GL's do. But some recent GL castings I've seen hanging on the pegs did have some major flaws. Maybe this is because production is being rushed due to the company's increased popularity? I rather wait for quality than see serious imperfections on cars that were rushed to the sales floor. Reason being, these cars usually hang on the pegs for months and hold up new arrivals.

I personally love GLs for the quality that they do focus on. I think some of us are too critical of the 1/64s. There is only so much companies can do in this scale. Sure we'd love adjustable mirrors, tilt steering columns, and electric windows on these cars but come on. If companies add more quality and features they would in turn have to increase costs. And we all know we'd be having heart attacks then!!! LOL Not defending anyone in particular, but most are doing well with what they have. Some are faking it too. I think GL has made great efforts and can only get better if it is concerned with comments stated here. Listening to collector's likes and dislikes will only help them improve their products.

Grilla has left the pulpit now.

Here's a favorite casting of mine from GL
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o249/irongrilla/Loose%20Onez/K-Dayshaul035.jpg
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o249/irongrilla/Loose%20Onez/K-Dayshaul031.jpg
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o249/irongrilla/Loose%20Onez/K-Dayshaul030.jpg
(If you noticed the smudge on the fender, (I did after I took the pics) it wiped right off afterwards. Whew!

I dont know what the big deal is about. I recently bought the black 2007 Gt500 fro the BJackson series and i love the car. You have to remember, although we collect them, they're still a toy. They're meant to be rolled around and played with. If they lack detail some of you desire then go buy cars by autoart and those companys. As for me i love GL cars and think for the size they have great detail. Not really gonna go into price although it takes its toll os 3-5 dollar cars.

Here's a favorite casting of mine from GL
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o249/irongrilla/Loose%20Onez/K-Dayshaul035.jpg
(If you noticed the smudge on the fender, (I did after I took the pics) it wiped right off afterwards. Whew!


^^^^ I like this guy! :woohoo:

Having said this, my biggest problem is *some* people giving them too much praise. The praise is over the top. After reading comments like "GL castings are incredible..." or "GL's are beating out the competition...",

I quite agree that some people fawn all over Green Lights. They do excellent work but quite frequently they do stuff I just do not understand. GL can make a simply stunning 69 Mustang and then add on an atrociously long shaped shaker on it.

I dont know what the big deal is about. I recently bought the black 2007 Gt500 fro the BJackson series and i love the car. You have to remember, although we collect them, they're still a toy.

Sorry, but the back of the package clearly states "adult collectible". Show me anywhere on the blister pack that states it is a toy. Kids are not the primary buyers of these Greenlights, adults are, be honest.