Bandit RC Race Park
http://www.BanditRCRacePark.com/ (http://www.banditrcracepark.com/)
http://www.rcpoints.com/
Located in Rochester, New York.

1275 Mt. Read Blvd
Rochester, New York 14606
(585) 254-8950

Indoor carpet oval (39'x76') and road course racing for 1/10th, 1/12th, and 1/18th scales.
Home of some of the fastest oval racers. You might recognize some of the names on our track records (http://www.rcpoints.com/) web site.

Ahhhh, I was wondering if there was a track still or not. Whtas the Sat. oval schedual?

For Saturday's it's 3 heats and a Main. Racing starts at 6:30pm.
1/10th pan Intermediate brushed 27T
1/10th pan Brushless 13.5
1/12th Brushless 13.5
1/18th Sliders and Mini-T's
Sometimes 1/10th touring oval, and trucks.

We're headed up to do some TC oval this coming Saturday. Hope to see a few more 1/10 stock pan car guys too.

Matt

For Saturday's it's 3 heats and a Main. Racing starts at 6:30pm.
1/10th pan Intermediate brushed 27T
1/10th pan Brushless 13.5
1/12th Brushless 13.5
1/18th Sliders and Mini-T's
Sometimes 1/10th touring oval, and trucks.
Hmmm, no 4300 B/L? or 1/10 mod

There was some 19T and mod racing last year, so if people want those speeds, it's a strong possibility. The 10.5 (4300) will most likely replace the 19T.

There was some 19T and mod racing last year, so if people want those speeds, it's a strong possibility. The 10.5 (4300) will most likely replace the 19T.
I know I ran mod there every weekend last year, thats why I was wondering. What time you opening?

There was some 19T and mod racing last year, so if people want those speeds, it's a strong possibility. The 10.5 (4300) will most likely replace the 19T.
And who wouldnt want "SPEED"...lol

The track is open for practice anytime after 12 noon on Saturdays. The track is already set up for oval now.

Great racing last night.... Track is just as fast as it was over the winter with James just missing his track record yet again ((( violins ))) LOL


For those of you who haven't been here or just haven't been here in awhile, we're racing Wednesday nights. 17.5 / stock brushed is the predominate class but anyone is welcome to come on out and run. We have Sliders ready to go if anyone else wants to bring one out.

Our Early summer points season is coming to an end and the next one will be beginning in 3 weeks, so if you like to chase points, we'll be starting out fresh.

Any questions can be directed to James or Myself, we'll be more than happy to help you out!

Good track with a 155' run line. some of the top guys around race here include a multi time snowbirds winner

An racing on saturdays or sundays. 10th pan brushless 17.5/13.5 ?

Casper, yeah, it was a lot of fun as usual. I'm really happy the track has been so fast all summer! Lew is doing a good job.

Steve, during the summer, we run oval pan cars once a week (Wednesdays). In the fall, winter and spring we run oval twice a week (Wednesdays and Saturdays). Wednesday night signups close at 6:30pm. Racing starts at 7:00pm. Right now, 1/10th Intermediate (Stock) is the active class. Motors are Novak 17.5 brushless or 27T brushed (we run them mixed). Details on the rules can be found on RCPoints.com (http://www.RCPoints.com).

Steve B you gonna come on down and try out the competition

For sure! As soon as things slow down at work I'll take a tuesday,wednesday and thursday off and head down for tues. at walts and wed. at bandit!
Track looks fast! Bet a walts setup would be the bomb at Bandit!!


Stink bomb that is! lol!

Yea, setups are just a LITTLE different... lol


I think just about anything works at walts because the carpet is so grippy. I plan on making a return trip shortly now that I have my car sorted out.


I think you'll like the place, Clean racing and we have good time. Car counts have been up and down, but thats how it goes during the summer. I think we have some guys that were having car issues coming back in the next few weeks so we should be in good shape! Hope to see you there

well steve tell us when ur coming so i can try and make sure im there

Racing @ Bandit resumes Tomorrow night for the final night of our "early summer" points season. If your free, drop by and join us. Spectators and new racers always welcome!

Then one more short "Late summer" points series then it'll be prime time again! Nice!

You and I did a good job hooking Paul back in. Then Paul hooked Gil back in. They will both be there tomorrow :)

Nice.

The more the merrier :thumbsup:

Racing was great tonight (as much of it as I saw anyway, but thats another story). Great to see some people coming back and we even had a couple sliders show up! Late summer points season starts next week, so if your into chasing points, make sure to be there, if not, come join us anyway.... Practice makes perfect!

Late summer points series starts tonight! I'm looking forward to more racing. What an addicting hobby RC racing is!

Continuation of a topic concerning running Lipo/brushless at Bandit RC Race Park.....
why not run them together with 13.5/4 cell? I know for fact, Baker, Dan Ball, and I aren't going to buy any 4 cell packs again..... so we'd be out.
That's definitely a possiblity. I take it that you've fallen in love with the Lipo technology :) Time to do some testing. Do you have a 21.5? Can you come to the track and do some testing? The track has been real fast all summer long.

I have LiPo now too and I'm loving it. I have an SMC 5000, but it seems everywhere else in oval racing they have a 3200 mAh cap... The threads about it on here have been a real mess. It would be pretty nice if I didn't have to buy 4 cell again. If you guys have a LiPo class I won't buy 4 cells at all for this coming season.

Anyway, I'm going to get up there for a Wednesday night again SOMETIME...just have to find the time.

Matt

wow, I forgot about this tread. anyhow, Baker and I have been running lipo/13.5 in our dirt cars since last winter. We've sold off all of our 4/6 cell stuff, and support equipment. needless to say, we're hooked on the lipo technology. We're running the SMC 5000's as well. There is definately an intrest in lipo/21.5 for the indoor carpet season. As I said, Dan Ball would rather do that too. I've read on various H/T threads that the 13.5/4 cell and 21.5/lipo are really close in speed. I think we need to be open to the possibility that they could run together.

and.... nope, I don't have a 21.5 yet. I talked to McCoy a few days ago about getting me one.

Well if everyone in the Rochester area that's interested has the SMC 5000, I wouldn't mind if that was the battery that was spec'd out. :thumbsup:
Or a 5000 mAh cap. Whichever. I understand the reasons behind the rest of the oval community having the 3200 cap, but it's dumb now that 3200 is long obsolete.

Plus, I bet with the 5000 we can go a whole race night without NEEDING to charge. I know I made it through a whole night on dirt with mine running it with 13.5 in my stadium truck.

Matt

It would be optimal if we could do some testing before the meeting coming up. Lew urgently wants to start the season earlier this year, which means the meeting will be coming up real soon (I think in a month or less). If we have some testing results before that meeting, it would make things much easier.

Of course, there is no way that we would want to lose 3 of our best racers, so with this new information, I'm sure we can accomodate Lipo for you :)

I agree that the season should start sooner. I never could figure out why the club waited until the 1st of October to even have a practice night. As soon as I get a 21.5, I'll give you a shout, James. Then we can do some testing and hopefully have some facts to talk about for the club rules meeting. FWIW, I ran a new Putnam (Trinity based) 13.5 at the WDRA summernationals 2 weeks ago. Nothing earth shattering as far as performance, but it seemed to pull harder on the top end. Had to shorten up the rollout though. Probably a moot point for 21.5 as I doubt they will even make one. As Matt said, I think we need to be open minded on the lipo rules as well. It makes no sense to me to go out and buy a 3200 pack just because that's what everyone else does.

Well if 21.5/LiPo will be a class regardless and just needs some testing to see if it's compatible with 13.5/4cell I'll trade in my 17.5 and come up next week (the 6th). Then James can use my LiPo and 21.5 for the night and times/lap counts can be compared. (It'd make more sense to have James do it since I have never run 13.5 so we'd have nothing to compare to). Of course this would all depend on Novak's turnaround time, but sometime soon we could do a test anyway.

Matt

Tom, which one are you running? It looks like there is a SMC 5000 mAh 22C soft shell and 28C hard shell? Did I get that right?

hard shell.... It just seemed like a better idea on dirtoval. I do have 2 4800 windtunnel soft shell packs that do fine also. But, WDRA follows ROAR rules (kind of) and they would rather have the hard shell packs in the cars.

Mine's the hard cased 28C one also.

That is wise. I see that the SMC 5000 mAh 28C is also ROAR approved. I just ordered one and a Novak 21.5.

Nice!

Our club has been very liberal with battery mAh over the years, so I think any ROAR approved Lipo should not be a problem. That's my vote anyway.

:thumbsup:

Sweet! I'll have to send in my 17.5 and trade for a 21.5.

Matt

Before we jump the gun on the lipo issue, we should remember that the club "generally" follows ROAR rules. Every time that they have deviated from those rules for whatever reason, the consequenses have come back to bit them (the 4 magnet motors is a good but dated example). Rather than saying that "we should be flexible" with bateries, this is on e area that the club needs to be extremely inflexible. The lipo battery wars have just begun and if we are not careful, we will be turning people away because of allowing unlimited battery usage. Of course in mod, the sky is the limit as it should be. However, for "stock" as it appears the 21.5/lipo will become we, the club, need to be very crisp in articulating it's lipo battery rules. This post is not intended to antaganize anyone but it is intended to urge caution when establishing the club rules for the 2008/2009 season.

Well spoken. Roger and I agree with you. We have always voted to use ROAR rules to cover anything the club doesn't specify. But, we've been shot down the last few years. Ahh well. The racing has still been very good.

Tom mentioned in his original post to run 21.5/Lipo mixed with 13.5/4-cell, not with the Stock class. From what I've been reading, 21.5/Lipo is closest to 13.5/4-cell. But, I'm not positive. That's one reason why I ordered it right away to get started on some testing. If you guys get a free Wednesday night available, please come out and do some testing as well. You guys know as well as I do, that it might take multiple runs to truly know what 21.5/Lipo is capable of. So the more testing, the better.

On a side note, I suggest we change the name of the Intermediate class to Stock. And if the 21.5/Lipo does work well with the 13.5/4-cell, then we could have these 2 class names:
1/10th Stock (27T brushed, 17.5 Brushless)
1/10th Super Stock (or Pro Stock) (13.5/4-cell, 21.5/Lipo)

On a side note, I suggest we change the name of the Intermediate class to Stock. And if the 21.5/Lipo does work well with the 13.5/4-cell, then we could have these 2 class names:
1/10th Stock (27T brushed, 17.5 Brushless)
1/10th Super Stock (or Pro Stock) (13.5/4-cell, 21.5/Lipo)

I agree

what kind of rules about charging the lipos.... Its a double edged sword...SRM Either way I will be there running whatever you guys come up with SRM

I agree James.

Rocket, are you referring to charge rate, 8.44V teching, or the LipoSack?

I'm pretty sure Lew wants to follow ROAR's example about charging in a LipoSack. But his trucker's don't on Monday nights. I started a post about finding extra large LipoSacks here. (http://www.hobbytalk.com/bbs1/showthread.php?t=226005) I think it would be easier to throw the whole car in the bag during charging.

I've seen NiMH blow up, and videos of Lipos blowing up. If I had to choose, I'd rather have a Lipo blow up in front of me. NiMH's put out violent shrapnel, but Lipos are more like a model rocket releasing a flaming thrust. Thankfully, we haven't had any secondary explosions with a can of motor spray getting hit. Wow, that would be bad.

3200 max lipo in 21.5!!! That is the current roar rules. Orion carbon or the new smc 3200 are perfect.

I couldn't find that anywhere in ROAR's rules. Do you know where that is stated?

21.5 rules are 3200 lipos only,17.5 is open to any roar approved lipo. I am heading to the nats tomorrow in SC and it is on the entry sheets that way.

21.5 rules are 3200 lipos only,17.5 is open to any roar approved lipo. I am heading to the nats tomorrow in SC and it is on the entry sheets that way.

the only thing I saw in the ROAR rulebook that pertained to this is on the last page..... it's called the protest form. :cool:

When you figure it out, let me know. I can say that whatever ROAR is doing will be the way I go, simply because I like to go to other tracks, and I don't want to carry a fleet of LiPo's to run a different setup.

i dont care what happens ill still be slow lol.