Did I read somewhere or hear something to the effect that in 2008 there will be a mark in the windshield of the bodies to be legal for racing???

From the 2007 QSAC Website.

BODIES (1.15.06)
Starting January 2008, QSAC approved bodies will be required to
have a manufacturer’s ID number molded into the lower right hand
(passenger side) portion of the windshield. QSAC recommends a four
(4) digit alpha-numeric ID chosen by the manufacturer. An approved
Body List will be maintained by the QSAC Technical Director and will
be published on the QSAC website.

That's the facts, jack.

Joe Brooks
:thumbsup:

Will be a short list.

sounds like a bunch of crap i would see the point if there was 5 or more manufactures but i think there are 3 or less 2 primary dont think there is going to be anything accomplished by this rule other than giving manufactures something else to have to eat what they dont sale by the end of the year

Does this mean everyone has to go buy a new body so it has that stamp on it because the current body would be illegal?

Does this mean everyone has to go buy a new body so it has that stamp on it because the current body would be illegal?i think its preety much the whole pointless idea dont really understand why but thats the governing body"s call i am sure it will be fine to run it on the local scene but not at a QSAC event

What about us poor racers that can't afford a new body every year???...


Dave D

listen to DD us poor racers, didnt you just buy a new car??? and i saw a new body on it too!!!! i have a body already painted from the beginnnig of the year that has never been ran so now if i go to a qsac race i will need to have a new 08 body, is there any way to put these marks in the new old body for 2008??

I think this is a MFG requirement only.

Sounds like crap to me too! Just like HAVING to buy a small carb and special cup just to race a class!

Oh and I got my small carbs and cups from two different mfgr's. and what a PIA it was to change it over! Throttle linkage is different and the cup sucks pertaining to low end throttle response!

Might just throw it all on ebay and say the heck with it, especially now with this body rule!

Rattler...

How much notice would have been adequate?

I would sure think that two years would be an adequate amount of time for both the manufacturer as well as the racer. Notice the date in reference in the rulebook; 1.15.06.

The other point of context to remember is that it is designed for QSAC events. Weekly racing can be governed as necessary (note: see the conversation regarding Sportsman versus Grand National).

Joe Brooks
:thumbsup:

Yea and it opens another grey area for local tracks when they say, we race by "qsac rules"!

It's just a matter of time...

Rattler...

I guess this is just something most of us overlooked when reading over the rule book because it didn't take effect at the time it was printed. I really don't see it as a problem, I like to have a fresh body painted any how just in case I need it. This way I will just keep it for QSAc events, no big deal here!!!...:woohoo:


Dave Dygon
Owner and Crew #3 "THE ROOKIE SENSATION" MIKE DYGON
MPRNN

[QUOTE=Joe39]How much notice would have been adequate?

I would sure think that two years would be an adequate amount of time for both the manufacturer as well as the racer. Notice the date in reference in the rulebook; 1.15.06.

The other point of context to remember is that it is designed for QSAC events. Weekly racing can be governed as necessary (note: see the conversation regarding Sportsman versus Grand National).

Joe Brooks
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Just to satisfy my own curiosity,,,,,,,, what is the purpose of having the manufacturers put a number on the bodies........

I must say I agree with rattler

i talked to rick today and he told me it was for the manufactures protection to make it harder for some joe blow to buy a body and make a mold from it i cant imagine how much a mold would even cost to make dont think it would be cheap from scratch but easier to copy now as far as banning the ones with out the number i dont know maybe MR.QSAC (brent) can read this and give us more insight and how its gona be

I was actually emailed to come here and respond. Joe pretty much summed it up.

The rule is not new. A very similar rule has been in affect with ROAR for many years. It was designed to keep the playing field level and to help protect the manufacturers from being "Back-poured". It won't stop somebody from doing it, it just makes it a little more difficult and easier to spot.

I'm amazed that the manufacturers didn't jump on this. The two year grace was to allow them time to get in compliance and they haven't. I'm also amazed by the comments on this thread. Nowhere does it say that you can't run the body you have now. Additional time was to be allowed to phase out the older bodies, dependant on when the manufacturers started producing the new ID'ed bodies.

The strength of QSAC is in it's rule package and enforcement of the rules. It is extremely important that everyone believes we are all following the same rules.

With this particular rule I guess we'll just have to wait and see. If the manufacturers aren't interested in protecting their bodies and the membership doesn't see the value in keeping things equal, so be it. I've got no problem dropping the whole thing.

thank you brent that i think was all that was needed to solve this issue

I understood the rule as a Mfg requirement, not the racer. Brent said, the mfgs are not in compliance, yet. They have until year end...right?

Most of us order a new body every or every other year. If you buy a new body next year, then you'll have a compliant body. If you don't buy a new body next, you still have a compliant body. They( mfgs) had a couple years to be compliant. Don't you think you the racer would have the same? Give QSAC a little more credit here. GEEZ!

We have a very short list of suppliers as it is now. Support them by buying their bodies (coded by them).

I was actually emailed to come here and respond. Joe pretty much summed it up.

The rule is not new. A very similar rule has been in affect with ROAR for many years. It was designed to keep the playing field level and to help protect the manufacturers from being "Back-poured". It won't stop somebody from doing it, it just makes it a little more difficult and easier to spot.

I'm amazed that the manufacturers didn't jump on this. The two year grace was to allow them time to get in compliance and they haven't. I'm also amazed by the comments on this thread. Nowhere does it say that you can't run the body you have now. Additional time was to be allowed to phase out the older bodies, dependant on when the manufacturers started producing the new ID'ed bodies.

The strength of QSAC is in it's rule package and enforcement of the rules. It is extremely important that everyone believes we are all following the same rules.

With this particular rule I guess we'll just have to wait and see. If the manufacturers aren't interested in protecting their bodies and the membership doesn't see the value in keeping things equal, so be it. I've got no problem dropping the whole thing.
I think its Great to have rules to go by. I think the body deal is great. We need all of us to get together and make this sport grow. Its not going to happen by everybody bad mouthing QSAC. We all need to work together not sell everything on ebay. That makes no sents.

Yep, when most classes are trying to figure out what battery, motor (brushed or brushless), nitro engine and muffler to use, QSAC has a base that can take us 5 to 10 years into the future without the guessing game.

Not the cup maybe your carbs not adusted right. You can run the GN carb with the plate. That is a better combo anyway. Just my $0.02

Jeff I have heard both sides! The small carb is better without the plate and the big carb is better with the plate!

I finally dynoed the small carb and qsac cup today and I'm totally convinced!

Oh and not to sound rude, but I DO know how to adjust a carb and I could only squeeze so much out of it!

Rattler...

so which ones better

Jeff I have heard both sides! The small carb is better without the plate and the big carb is better with the plate!

I finally dynoed the small carb and qsac cup today and I'm totally convinced!

Oh and not to sound rude, but I DO know how to adjust a carb and I could only squeeze so much out of it!

Rattler...
What jet are you running in the sportsman carb? Throw that Sportsman away and turn the screw on the GN carb.

I finally dynoed the small carb and qsac cup today and I'm totally convinced!

Rattler...

Rattler-

What were your conclusions that took you to the point of being convinced? Hence, which is better?

Joe Brooks
:thumbsup:

Thanks Brent, that makes sence from a manufactors point of view.

Guys I tried everything from the stock jet that came with it and then a 37 and 38. This was on my GN motor which turns up really well using a 32 carb on bottom end all the way thru mid and high range with never a complaint. Dropping down to the small carb that I JUST got from Rick and a cup from Bishop showed me nothing to be proud about!
Not only did I have to change the linkage on the car, and the fuel hose inlet direction on the carb, the bottom end throttle response just plain sucks and the high speed is nothing to brag about either but hey that's their rules and since everyone else likes them so be it!
Maybe it will just take me some time to get used to running a slug! Now that's what I call racing!

On the body issue! Yea I can see why they have to police the bodies being made by unofficial makers but come on, some guys run bodies for many many years. To me it's just one more thing to HAVE to go out and buy to be legal! I already spent how much, just to run sportsman because they don't have a GN class? Whoo Hooo! Ain't this fun?

Rattler...

Guys I tried everything from the stock jet that came with it and then a 37 and 38. This was on my GN motor which turns up really well using a 32 carb on bottom end all the way thru mid and high range with never a complaint. Dropping down to the small carb that I JUST got from Rick and a cup from Bishop showed me nothing to be proud about!
Not only did I have to change the linkage on the car, and the fuel hose inlet direction on the carb, the bottom end throttle response just plain sucks and the high speed is nothing to brag about either but hey that's their rules and since everyone else likes them so be it!
Maybe it will just take me some time to get used to running a slug! Now that's what I call racing!

On the body issue! Yea I can see why they have to police the bodies being made by unofficial makers but come on, some guys run bodies for many many years. To me it's just one more thing to HAVE to go out and buy to be legal! I already spent how much, just to run sportsman because they don't have a GN class? Whoo Hooo! Ain't this fun?

Rattler...

Rattler-

Thank you for the response. I was of that opinion that the -32 was a better set-up, but could not substantiate that it was truly better than the sportsman carb.

Drag your (self) up to MPR next year. VERY close, tight racing; period. Oh yeah, it's with the QSAC Sportsman rules. I guarantee you won't complain about the close racing, that is if, and I do mean if... you can keep up with the boys.

;)

Joe Brooks
:thumbsup:

sounds like the transition to these bodies is going to take a while. i can see protecting the manufactures. but maybe their needs to be hood roof and trunk heights for the cars. i have seen bodies that have been cut down rediculusly low also hoods trunks heated and shape changed also the fenders flared. just my .0000000003 cents worth

Guys I tried everything from the stock jet that came with it and then a 37 and 38. This was on my GN motor which turns up really well using a 32 carb on bottom end all the way thru mid and high range with never a complaint. Dropping down to the small carb that I JUST got from Rick and a cup from Bishop showed me nothing to be proud about!
Not only did I have to change the linkage on the car, and the fuel hose inlet direction on the carb, the bottom end throttle response just plain sucks and the high speed is nothing to brag about either but hey that's their rules and since everyone else likes them so be it!
Maybe it will just take me some time to get used to running a slug! Now that's what I call racing!

On the body issue! Yea I can see why they have to police the bodies being made by unofficial makers but come on, some guys run bodies for many many years. To me it's just one more thing to HAVE to go out and buy to be legal! I already spent how much, just to run sportsman because they don't have a GN class? Whoo Hooo! Ain't this fun?

Rattler...hey rattler are you racing dyno or race cars the dyno war hardly ever beats that really good car with a so so motor!!!!!!! i know you have some good points it is almost a no brainer figuring out that the plate and cup restrict it but it makes good close affordable racing that is not over the average joes head!!!!!! so get that ride ready and lets go racing enough of the talk it is time for you to come getterdone!!!!

on another note lets get this back to the topic at hand and not hijack this thread about bodies!!!!!!!!!!!

i guess, i need to send 3 new body's back to manufacturer and ask for money back or right bodies! manufacturer and QSAC, are they working together? when i had the money i bought 3 bodies, now have to buy a new 08 body to make QSAC and manufacturer happy ($$$$) and then QSAC whats good turnouts at there races? one hand buy new 08 body, in the other hand not buy a new body and not go to a QSAC event. for me i have been out of racing the last year do to family medical reasons which is behind me now. so, i'm looking forward in racing next season and traveling to a QSAC event. but buying another body because of copying crap, got to have 08 markings is a bunch of crap! i know you have to have rules, but if this is the same body from the manufacturer,other than these markings on the windshield. why couldn't it be legal? this is a hobby!!! to have fun with!!! i guess, it all has to do with the all might dollar! nothin simple anymore.

I don't think the 08 rules are out just yet, so I think most of the rederick is a bit pre-mature. If the rule is you have to have a new 2008 body for a QSAC event, it does not mean you have to get rid of the other bodies you may have. If you have brand new bodies and you want to use them at a QSAC event, you may be able to get them cleared with QSAC before hand so you can use them at a QSAC event. I would ask the QSAC officials directly before the rumors start to fly. Personaly, I think I beat the snot out of my body and need a new one anyway...Just my .02

Well. It really is simple for me. I will race what i have. and if that is not good enough, I know my way back to the house. But it is a no big deal either way. I seriously doubt anyone will get turned away from racing over a #on the windsheild. My .002 worth

It's ridiculous how the rules are taken out of context. What part about Brent's post was not understood?



Okay, for the simple minded folks(including myself)....

The Mfgs (the people supplying the clear body you paint for your chassis) are required (need to have ready) in 2008 (next year) all bodies coded (a number with at least four digits they create themselves) stamped (molded during thermo-forming) into the front lower passenger side window (the side you fuel your car). Now remember, you (the racer) have no reason to buy a new body, send back a newly purchased body and/or sell everything you have on Ebay just because the mfgs (not you the racer) are required to meet the 2008 ruling.

It's ridiculous how the rules are taken out of context. What part about Brent's post was not understood?



Okay, for the simple minded folks(including myself)....

The Mfgs (the people supplying the clear body you paint for your chassis) are required (need to have ready) in 2008 (next year) all bodies coded (a number with at least four digits they create themselves) stamped (molded during thermo-forming) into the front lower passenger side window (the side you fuel your car). Now remember, you (the racer) have no reason to buy a new body, send back a newly purchased body and/or sell everything you have on Ebay just because the mfgs (not you the racer) are required to meet the 2008 ruling.



thats the way i read it. don't know why everyone is getting upset. I don't plan on buying a body just yet, because of this rule. even though i normally do buy one almost everyyear . just because i can. also i buy one from a dealer who i know purchases them from the manufacture , in this case it is WCM.
here is a question. does QSAC have a list on their site or in rule book that list the approved bodies from approved manufactures? when i order a body im pretty sure where it is coming from. so i know im buying legal body.
and also dealer will know he is supplying a legal body to his customers.
and by legal meaning mostly that the body isn't any different , just that its not coming from someone simply copying the body and profiting from another manufacters hard work and $$$ spent. im sure coming out with a new body is more costly then simply copying an existing body.

i heard of this rule a while back but forgot all about it until this thread.

I only have one thing to say about the QSAC rules, be it the body, the carb or class rules. If you don't like them put in a suggestion in writing as to something that would be better. I have had my fill over the years of those that have nothing but complaints about QSAC and the rules, one complaint after another about something that QSAC did. IF you don't like they way things are done then put all of your 1/4 scale items on ebay and go find another hobby or scale of racing. I seriously doub't that you will find another scale of racing that tries to protect the racer and the manufacture's as well as QSAC has tried to do. What does QSAC have to gain by wanting an identifier code on the body? NONE. It was a way to help protect the manufactures intrest. I am sure that one of the manufactures brought up the issue of copied bodys, not a QSAC official. Trust me when I say that most rule changes are arrived at due to someone complaining, be it a manufacture or a racer. Qsac co-chairs have better things to do than just make up rule changes. In fact Speaking from experience that is one of the LAST things a co-chair or other QSAC official wants to do. I have been there and done that. If you will, notice that QSAC as a governing body has tried to limit rule changes. QSAC has adopted a policy that rules are good for the most part for a span of two years. There are certain things beyond QSAC control that on ocassion require a change. One example is a new motor being produced by a manufacture, sometimes we have to deal with the situation that is dealt to us. I have heard over and over that I must buy a different carb and a cup to race. NO, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BUY EITHER, only if you want to run sportsman class. QSAC does NOT require you to run sportsman, it is only a class that QSAC has developed a set of rules for. If you don't like the sportsman rules then run grand national. No one at your club wants to run GN! Thats not QSAC, thats the club or track you are running at. I didn't like stock cars so I campained for sprint cars maybe you should do the same to run Grand National at your track. I have said enough.
Fred Murry

One other thing, why do so many people have to hide behind a handle. Post under your real name. That way everyone will know where you are coming from and what you want.
Fred Murry

Fred, most of us prefer to use a handle as a way of expression not hiding. NitroWolf come from my years of nitro racing. Nitro being the type of class, wolf just being a favorite animal. I have used a screen name ever since signing up on the net through Aol as a matter of fact. They suggested not using your real name due to security reasons, so it was abbreviated by aol.

I have no problem signing my name to my posts. Most on here know who I'am, but since you requested, my name is... Tim McCown

PS. you can add your name to your signature so that it is always at the bottom of your post. When you do this, it will tag every post you have made on HT with that signature.


One other thing, why do so many people have to hide behind a handel. Post under your real name. That way everyone will know where you are coming fromand what you want.
Fred Murry

i have WCM body's without markings, yes or no, will these still be legal for 08? the way i take they are? also, i did not know of another body manufacturer, thought there was only one out there WCM. can someone list these other body manufacturers? how really accessable are they to the average racer? maybe WCM or QSAC can come up with some kind of template to check the older WCM bodies without markings.

I have been following this from the begining ,And this is the best idea that I have seen so far , as Iam concerned at the change . we have some new unpainted bodies out there that the guys plan on using next year , A template would be a way around this problem, for the next couple of years , until all of the older bodies are used up , It could work . A postive idea ,,, Bob

Fred looks as though your post is directed towards me DIRECTLY! LOL Over the years, even back when YOU were a co-chair, things were rough around the edges so to speak! NOW at least there is some form and the people IN qsac have pulled together to do a good job! I don't blame qsac for EVERYTHING but some things they do are done in a haphazard way, putting the racers last to know and then surprise! That's what gets racers PO'ed.
As for the sportsman class? YES I had to buy a carb and a cup IF I wanted to race! WHY? The track closest to me only offers ONE class! They used to run two but decided they only had enough cars for ONE! I bought the carb and cup from advice from guys on here! THAT my friend was a total waste of money! No big deal to me but it COULD have been to a new racer! Just like the rule mentioned here about bodies! Say a new guy goes out and buys a car ready to run on ebay. He goes to a qsac race and is told the body is too old to race because it doesn't haver a code. Not good! Bodies are going to be like motors of the past! There are still a lot of them out there being run! I don't see a problem with them being coded but why say an older body is not legal because it's old?
As for me selling stuff on ebay? I think I have that choice! I have sold a bunch already and bought some too! It's fun, especially when bidding against you! LOL

Oh and one more thing! You did a great job bringing back the sprint cars! The numbers show that but your in an area where they do good and people can relate to them. In the area I race, you would be lucky to get racers period. Even at Montgomery there people who have never heard of these cars and how long has that track been there?
To add also, it's REALLY hard to bring back a class such as GN at a track that wants nothing to do with it because they are happy running what they are!

Oh and if you don't know who this is by now, maybe you need to get some sleep! :)

Rattler... aka Ace

Just an idea 99% of the bodies are made or sold by WCM.Why can't a simple decal be made and placed on the windsheild.Only WCM or the decal maker can sell them.If you want it to be more advanced, Leave room to put the QSAC member number on it.Also the decal maker can run a series of decals with the a qsac number is already on it.
Here is where i get in trouble.Competition is what makes this hobby run or grow.Either by racing or by the number of manufactuers.If there are a couple of guys that can make bodies,why not let them.Who gets hurt no one.
Two manufactuers control 1/4 scale.If we talk about GN.WCM makes the bodies and also tires.While talking about tires BRP controls that.Do these 2 companies take care of the hobby YES?They have been doing it for years.Why not let an aftermarket guy come in and help?Make the hobby grow like most of you say you would like.I mean no disrespect to Rick or Todd?

If one needs to fume at me.Call me at 1-508-567-1777 or leave me a number to call you.I will be back after 3:00 pm eastern time.
Thanks Ed Berube
First Quarter Racing

General comment: If we could get all the people that sit behind a computer whining about miniscule rule interpretations to show up at one national event (or there local track)we would set attendance records across the country. Why can't people just put together a basic car, show up, race, and try to have fun? Some people make this out to be way more difficult than it is. Rattler, you were not given bad advice on which sportsman set-up works, in fact either set-up can work well with the new generation of engines.....if your having trouble tuning a carb, swallow your pride and ask for help....don't pass the blame. In fact thats good advice for anyone that wants to race 1/4 scale. Swallow your pride and ask for help. At every single event you will find racers that will loan you tires, engines, parts, help you fix your car after a crash, help you with set-ups; anything to get more good running cars on the track. But to experience this first hand you first have to show up at the track. No this is not directed only to you Rattler, your not quite that worthy. lol

Scott

Scott, well said!

General comment: If we could get all the people that sit behind a computer whining about miniscule rule interpretations to show up at one national event (or there local track)we would set attendance records across the country. Why can't people just put together a basic car, show up, race, and try to have fun? Some people make this out to be way more difficult than it is. Rattler, you were not given bad advice on which sportsman set-up works, in fact either set-up can work well with the new generation of engines.....if your having trouble tuning a carb, swallow your pride and ask for help....don't pass the blame. In fact thats good advice for anyone that wants to race 1/4 scale. Swallow your pride and ask for help. At every single event you will find racers that will loan you tires, engines, parts, help you fix your car after a crash, help you with set-ups; anything to get more good running cars on the track. But to experience this first hand you first have to show up at the track. No this is not directed only to you Rattler, your not quite that worthy. lol

Scott

yep we need more racers to show i like to whine LOL but i do support my track and QSAC but it kinda worried me until brent made it clear he was right on ROAR did it but when they got the rule in place you could not run majority of the older bodies i know because i spent more time with a ROAR rep than anybody at the 2006 carpet nats LOL

Respect goes along way... i don't see a lot of it being practiced in this qsac forum.
i think all should bury the hatchet with old wars and lets get this thing working :thumbsup:

I only have 2 questions, 1) I have an older body I just got it has no number or identification this is not going to be legal at ANY QSAC event correct ?
2) I seen there is a motor port change what is needed to make this change to the current g230 red cap motors ?
I guess with these questions you all can tell I'm new to this scale so is there ANY way to get a hardcopy of the rules and regs? I never recieved anything with my membership except my card. Oh by the way this thread is sounding like the 1/10 scale forums LOL :freak:

Thanks Jay

Sprint,

As per Brent's post & the way we all understood, the older body you have is now & will be legal at the QSAC events in 2008. It may or may not be in 2009 or later events but this all depends on whether or not the mfgs start coding their bodies next year. There was a grace period for mfgs & there will be one for the racers.

Hopefully now all can rest easy tonight....LOL