What are most tracks and clubs racing for 19 turns on oval anymore?

Ultrabirds - Komodos - any fixed timing 19s? I know road is fixed timing 19s still with a lot of success. Just curious. We still run Ultrabirds down south.

When our 19t deal died and we made that class 4300 b/l, we still had our NASTRUCK class that was a combined 19t/4300 class. We dropped the ARCOR motor rule and went to ANY 19x1 fixed or adjustable motor. Most of the guys switched to B/L for the class, but a few did choose to stay w/ the brushed motors...and we have a few of each...and the finishes have been about 50/50 between the b/l and the 19's. (The big difference in the NASTRUCK class we run vs. the old 19t class...THE TRUCK GUYS RACE FOR FUN!)

just let it die :)

I do not run 19 and feel that I can only offer what I have seen lately. And it looks like 4300 BL and 13.5 BL are fast becomming the class that is replacing 19. I know that I was all but finished with brushed racing untill I started 13.5.

We used to have a great turnout for 19 turn racing at the old K&N speedway in Conn. up until the season before last, then for some reason it started to fade, guys complained about the adjustable timing motors, saying they were too much work and some other lame excuses. So we opted for fixed timing motors and went with the Komodo motor, they ran great but it never brought the numbers of participants back. Now it looks like brushless is making the move in, I will continue to race, so I guess I'll have to jump on and run whatever is available.

At my local track The Rc Toybox we have switched to the komodos because they had two 19 turn classes. So inorder to make one good class of more than 5-8 drivers in each, we made one class of 10-15 racers.

Im my opinion it is just a class that is hanging on. I say for the upcoming year drop it.

Its just barely holding on because of all the changes, first having to buy 10 chameleons to get one good one. then the cranking of arms on the chameleons, then the chameleon 2's that im not quite sure of the reason why those went out other than the arcor motors were so much easier to make power with/get a good one, then we all know about the lower turn arms that were found!! Now we have the the brushless motors that are the same speed again. What I think is we need to make a class and leave it alone, my experince is that change is never a good thing.

DEAD! 10.5 Brushless is the same up front speed without the Brush fade after 3 mins.

Ok Boylan step up and be a risk taker. :p

Next to mod 1/12 scale is my favorite class to run. With 19T falling off around the country it will probably put a hurting on the Snowbirds 1/12 scale car count this year. Why not mix the class and run open 19t and BL10.5 together. Speeds are about the same and may build up to a pretty strong class again.

Just a thought.

Sonny that sounds like a good idea. Locally we did that with Stock brushed motors and 13.5 brushless and it was the brushed motor that still holds the track record

Its going to be great for the list of track records to be hanging on the wall right beside the sign that says going out of business!!!!, you know, most of you people are ignorent, if you think that all these changes arent effecting this hobby!!

thats anothe discussion though. i say put the 10.5 and 19t together. dook it out lol

Its going to be great for the list of track records to be hanging on the wall right beside the sign that says going out of business!!!!, you know, most of you people are ignorent, if you think that all these changes arent effecting this hobby!!

Things don't stay the same forever!

Its going to be great for the list of track records to be hanging on the wall right beside the sign that says going out of business!!!!, you know, most of you people are ignorent, if you think that all these changes arent effecting this hobby!!

To accuse people of being IGNORANT...Yet not be able to spell it correctly makes this the funniest post Ive read all week.. LMFAO :lol:

ha,ha what are you twelve??

Wow..Cant spell IGNORANT yet calling me out as being 12...HMMMM...

Kenwood got you, just admit it! LOL

Just a thought here, but just maybe the problem is some people in a certain corner of the country who refuse to accept change and continue to hang onto brushed racing. We've been running it for 3 years in the Midwest, 2 years in FL and a year or so in the Southeast. Nearly everyone I know who gives it a honest try loves it. If you want more guys racing there are 3 ways to accomplish that.

Hang on to existing racers
Bring back old racers
Bring in brand new racers (by far the most important)

From first hand experience I know for a fact that BL helps with the first two. Unfortunately no motor is going to bring in new racers, that has to do with promotion.

BL has been a positive change in the areas of the country that have gone to it exclusively. If you want to continue to fight it without having much knowledge of it by all means go ahead, but honestly it makes you appear to be the one who is ignorAnt.

Technology changes none stop. It will not happen over night. But i'm sure that eventually brushless will be the class. However while there are still a lot of people not sold on it, or not wanting it, they shoudl be able to race as well. All the hype about these brushless systems is that there built to be competitive with a brushed motor. So let them run together. The guy that wants to put a lot of time in his motor tuning it, can and the the guy that wants to bolt in a motor and not remove is all week can do that too.

MikeNum8 I wish that was true. I love working on motors and don't want to loose that. I have nothing against people for wanting to run brushless I just hate the fact there not considerate of the guys who still want to run brushed motors. I tried to run 19 turn brushed motor in the 10.5 class and it was causing such a problem I decided to switch to a 10.5 for the remainder of the day. Went the same speed but now all was well with the world. Shortly I won't have a class that I want to run in. It looks like it's time for me to just try to promote the racing in my area instead of racing. Having something bolted into my car that needs no maintenance or requires no tuning just doesn't appeal to me. I can't wait to see shocks we can't tune, or a default radio setup you can't change, I hope nothing else gets taken away from the racer.

Mike, you and I should start our own association! I like working on my stuff.

I thought 19t was a fun class before it went to hand wound, adjustable timing, 0º timing, etc. I never had a problem finding good Chamealeon motors, we had full fields, and it was fun. We were running 6 cell back then though. I digress...

19t lost its appeal to me, Im going to the Birds for the first time this year and I'll be running stock and 1/12th stock (road course)!

Running stock with 17.5 and 19T with 4300 makes sense. I'm not sure why anyone would give a 19T person a hard time, if anything they are slightly disadvantaged.

mike valentine your right. It's not really racing if you do not have to do any tuning to the car. How do u think Nextel cup racing would go if the guys showed up the track. Nextel officials took the car and put a crate motor in that can not be tuned in anyway and then gave you the car with a locked hood so you can't adjust anything. And said let's race. That would be no fun. Part of racing is learning how to adjust things and get more power out of the motor.

Mike are you going to make a trip up to Bandit RC (formally RnD) this year before the birds?

Running stock with 17.5 and 19T with 4300 makes sense. I'm not sure why anyone would give a 19T person a hard time, if anything they are slightly disadvantaged.

Im with ya there...

I was against it when it first came to Cincinnati.. There were only 2 of us left running 19T. We left and started traveling. After about 3 months of traveling the tracks I was going to started to talk BL as well so I finally gave in and bought a system. Now I run almost nothing but brushless. Sure I miss messing around with the motors. However I dont miss lugging my Zapper, Turbodyno and 45 amp PS, come lathe, and case of motors to the track. I still work just as much as I did before. But now I work on the chassis instead of brushes and timing looking for that extra watt or 2. By selling my turbodyno last year, my zapper, and some of my motors I made more money than I spent by buying 2 BL esc's and 4 BL motors.. I kept the com lathe for running the occasional brushed mod race, but I havent touched the stuff since April.

As far as money I spend since switching to BL at the local hobbyshop>>> Id have to say that hasnt changed...Now that I dont NEED to buy another New style must have 19T motor I end up buying something else that I must have..LOL..

Having felt "left out" back when I was running 19T I would not care if those guys ran with us in BL. I agree the disadvantage is with the brushed.. In fact when Brushed guys show up to race Im one of the first guys who will switch back to brushed just so more people are running.. I always bring a couple of brushed motors with me JUST IN CASE.. ;)

mike valentine your right. It's not really racing if you do not have to do any tuning to the car. How do u think Nextel cup racing would go if the guys showed up the track. Nextel officials took the car and put a crate motor in that can not be tuned in anyway and then gave you the car with a locked hood so you can't adjust anything. And said let's race. That would be no fun. Part of racing is learning how to adjust things and get more power out of the motor.

Yeah I mean what there's probably only like 200+ (literally) different ways you can adjust your pan car. Clearly there's almost nothing left to tune. :rolleyes:

Just run your stock motor with 17.5 and your 19T with 10.5 and quit ragging on BL. if someone gives you a hard time which will be rare, then come armed with the facts that the classes are even or BL is a smidge faster and set them straight.

These arguments are getting tired. BL is here and it has been here for YEARS. The transition is painful in some places because of stubborn people. The people who get over themselves and try it almost universally seem to like it.

So to summarize......
Enough Already

The people here that like to work on there stuff should come to a brl race this season! They will have PLENTY to work on if they want to keep up with traffic! After the weekends over they will be thankful they didnt have to mess with motors! :thumbsup:

The people here that like to work on there stuff should come to a brl race this season! They will have PLENTY to work on if they want to keep up with traffic! After the weekends over they will be thankful they didnt have to mess with motors! :thumbsup:

Frank, your the one that makes all of us work so hard!! lol. Theres no way I would have enough time and could keep up if we had to build motors.


I also dont beleive that theres anyone who is that dialed that if they couldnt build motors they would be bored.

The people here that like to work on there stuff should come to a brl race this season! They will have PLENTY to work on if they want to keep up with traffic! After the weekends over they will be thankful they didnt have to mess with motors! :thumbsup:

this is so true about brushless racing

St-Roch will be mixing 10.5's with all 19 turns this year.

I think this will be a class that'll allow racers to run basically at the same speeds while giving them many options.

the brushed vs brushless debate will be over soon. i agree with frank and sean. once you give it a fair shot you will never run brushed again. it makes 0 sense to drag around,brushes,comm laths,motor dynos and break in stands..along with springs,comm drops and god know what else to make a brushed motor run. nt including the hours spent on a stock motor to break in bushings ..all to make your motor better than the other guys motor. why? because alot of us would rather buy speed than work on our cars. it's super easy for guys to drop 500.00 on go fast gear than it is for them to sit down at night and wrench on there rides. brushed racing is just about gone.

At last years Snowbirds there were 150 entires just in the 19turn OVAL classes, I'm curious to see how much the interest has shifted this year compared to last. I'm sure for Mike it's a pretty big gamble to just "assume" all those entires would run a brushless class. The Ultra birds have definetely kept 19turn as a reasonable class, where the "handwounds" pretty much let it get out of control and killed a lot of interest.

kevin the entire oval community in florida ran nothing but ultrabirds for three years.

IF there wasn't a novak 10.5 motor WE would all still be using them today.

my prediction for 19 turn at the birds is less than 50 entries and there shouldn't be a sportsman and pro 19 turn this year either.

brushless 10.5 will get over 100 entries and 13.5 around 75 entries

19 turn is all but dead! Everyone has moved on to 10.5 and now doesnt have to worry about illegal motors! Katfish I think 13.5 will have more than 10.5 at the birds!

I agree with Jody. I think that 13.5 will be the biggest class for oval. 19 turn will have a few maybe 30 in 10th, and 10 to 20 in 12th. Well that is if 12th scale is offered in oval this year.

I think the FL crew is really the only group still running 19 turn around the country. Even the north east has started the BL switch.

Joel White

Katfish did ya count me in for the 13.5 class? That makes 76. LOL!

I like the brushless. We run a short track and I run the 13.5 and am realy impressed with how fast it can go. It is a bit more that the 27 and not as hot as the 19T. Some of the 13.5 lap times are creeping up near the 19T speeds. I think I may run the 13.5 and 10.5 at the Birds. Just switch motors.....2 classes and no fuss.

hey don't throw the entire state of florida under that bus!

the oval series has ran brushless for two years now.

there are 12 guys left with 19 turn motors and gear in florida,lol.

and i am not one of them.

less than 30 19 turns in 10th scale,hmmmm

and more 13.5 than 10.5 hmmmmmm

it's better than i thought. thanks for the info guys