I have seen quite a few disucssions on the different classes in QSAC. First I want to make it clear that sportsman class is NOT a beginner class. It never was, is not now, or should it ever be. The novice class is the entry level class. Some tracks call their entry level class by various names such as bombers or busch class. That is why the novice class when run at national races is not included in the payout.
There is a very definate reason we have two stock car classes in QSAC. It is not the numbers as one member posted, it is not to determine skill level as many are lead to believe or anything close to that. I do not expect the majority of new racers or any of them to know the reason and thats why I am posting this.
First a little 1/4 scale history. We must go back to when 1/4 scale racing got started. Be it WCM or Raco or who ever you thought started the 1/4 scale deal. The fact is that an industrial 2 cycle motor was used to power our 1/4 scale cars. Yes, there were some early sprint cars with large glow engines but when the 1/4 scale deal started to grow it was a true weedeater type motor that was used. Not the Weedeater brand but Zenoah manufactured engines, be it Red Max or Green machine brands. I was told by one of the founding fathers of QSAC that John Rae introduced these motors to 1/4 scale. These were the first 2 cycle motors we used. The Kawasaki 23 cc. motor was also approved but could not keep up with the Zenoah made engines and therefore not widly used. The fact is the first motors were rated at 1.5hp. and were not designed for race applications but for reliability and not meant to turn the high rpms we demand for racing. Todays motors the 230rc be it a black cap or red cap are purpose built for racing. For many years the 1/4 scale racer had only two choices for motors the zenoah or the Kawasaki. We had little or no change in our motors as Zenoah saw fit to produce them as they were and they worked fine as weed trimmer motors and the 1/4 scale racers were not enough volume to warrant a change in design. After all who needs a weed trimmer that cranks out 15,000 rpms and produces 3 hp. As I said the 1/4 scale racing community did not have enough numbers to get Zenoah's attention. Fact is we still don't. The advent of the 1/5 scale car and its growth throughout other countries did get some of Zenoah's attention along with some other small engine manufactures. Fact is 1/5 scale does have larger numbers and is very popular thruout the world where 1/4 scale cars were not. The 1/4 scale cars were difficult to stuff into the smaller cars used in other countries. Therfore the large 1/4 scale car was down sized and made 1/5th. size. These fit into the cars used in European countries where our larger cars did not.
Now we get to the heart of things. As 1/5 scale grew overseas more and more cars were being produced using various power plants (engines). It did not take long for the engine manufactures to get serious about making more powerful engines. We now have engines built for racing and not for weed trimmer applications. Yes, Zenoah does still make engines for weed trimmers but they do not have the power our engines do. Also we now have motorized skate boards or GO-Peds and there are racing applications there as well. When serious changes were announced for the motors we were using in 1/4 scale QSAC had to take a look at how we or QSAC could bring a new motor on line with as little impact to our racers and our manufactures. As it was not fair to say everyone had to buy a new motor as soon as they hit the shores of America, QSAC implemented a structured phase in of the new breed of racing motors. It started with the Grand National class. This class would run the new motor the first year and those not wanting to buy, or not able to buy a new motor would run the older motors. Sprint cars were the last class to get the 230rc generation of motors. It was this line of thought that the older motors could be retired on a gradual basis so that the G2d-44's, G2d-57's the first motors used and rated at 1.5hp along with the G2D-70's and G2D-96's that were rated at 2hp. could all be phased out as they were not capable of running with the new breed of racing motors.
The fact is that the sportsman class has grown so popular because you can be off your optimal set up and have a decent handling car where as if a grand national car is off a bit it can be more of a challenge to drive and maintain control. There is also the fact that many have stated that they can not compete with the likes of Roger Newell, Scott Schramskie, Brent Gottfried, Mark Aldrich and some of the other grand national drivers. It has been said that if you can't run with the big boys, stay on the porch. Well, many saw this an easy way to get off the porch and get some racing in.

Fred Murry

I like the GN class. I ran my first GN race at clover and loved it. I liked the three hundred laps the most. I wish we would leave it alone and run the four classes like normal. It lets more people race and thats what is fun. If they do change it to one class maybe run the 9mm Carbs. I like to drive the car with the throttle. It take more skill to get the car around the track.

I think GN will come back into it's own as q-scale is starting to see some growth again. I want to run GN, just not yet. I have been oval racing since 89 but 1/4 scale is new to me as I have only raced twice so I need to get used to the car before I jump right in with the big boys.

Great history and well said Fred! The one class issue is being brought up because of current issues at the various clubs. Lack of GN partisipation and grumbeling in the pits as to why. I am all for whatever will be best for the sport.

The drivers that you mentioned are not only good drivers, they know how to setup the car for any condition. They work on the chassis and get it done. If they do not have a place to race (with other racers) then they will not race at that track. Can't blame them, but what do you do?

Is it the Grand National driver's perception that sportsman is a lower class, or the sportsman that regard GN as the upper classmen? Does it really matter why, but what QSAC does to accomodate everyone? Tough to say. QSAC has a hard job to try and please everyone.

The best thing I can say is we all need to try to grow this sport if we want to continue to run ourselves. Woulden't it be great if there were so many racers, that you had to run two days out of the week to get them all track time? I think if there were that many racers, these issues would all go away. New ones would pop up, I'm sure, but filling a class wouldn't be one of them...

QSAC should not have to try to please everyone. If you like to race, race. If you don't, don't. It's not the job of QSAC to please everyone, the organization exists to promote 1/4 scale racing and fair play, it's up to the racers to have a good time.

QSAC should not have to try to please everyone. If you like to race, race. If you don't, don't. It's not the job of QSAC to please everyone, the organization exists to promote 1/4 scale racing and fair play, it's up to the racers to have a good time.

The last part is true, The first part is not exactly true. QSAC exists to provide a set of rules, regulations and insurance so that racing will be fair. The question is, what is fair? This is governed by the racers that get involved. If you have an oppinion, you can write to QSAC and they will listen. Attend the meetings or talk to an official QSAC board member. If the majority of racers want a rule or regulation to be adapted, it happens.

QSAC does a great job to provide a set of guidlines that most if not all tracks use, even if they are not sanctioned by QSAC.

Fred you said "First I want to make it clear that sportsman class is NOT a beginner class. It never was, is not now, or should it ever be. The novice class is the entry level class." and I must respectfully disagree! Back in the day of the early version Zenoah's there were two classes period! Full body and sprint with sprint being the first to appear on tracks. When the full body cars came out EVERYONE ran the same class and ran together! It was shortly after that people voiced their opinion as to not being able to keep up or compete as they were JUST getting into the hobby so an ENTRY level class was formed called "sportsman" allowing the new hobbyist to be able to get their feet wet along with others of the same caliber. They got better as time went on and found an urge to move UP to the more experienced class which was labeled GN, hence the two classes! We found more and more switching from sprints to full body and that's one reason as you know the sprint cars population fell off! It has taken a long time for them to return to the numbers they are now thanks to dedicated racers like yourself but let me also add that the sportsman class over the years had very experienced racers running in the class just so they could dominate or run up front where they couldn't when they ran in GN. That was not fair and then became the Busch or novice class! You know yourself that every time a NEW class is formed, one of the others suffers just as GN has recently! Will GN come back to the numbers it once was? Who knows? Having two classes that close in comparison, rule wise, was a bad idea to begin with and in my opinion that is what brought on part of the GN racers getting out or waiting it out not to mention the economy. Let's face it, guys that can drive, want to go fast! I never once heard of a GN driver complain about the cost factor of tires, fuel, or travel expenses so that excuse is null! What I HAVE heard is the dwindling GN car counts at local tracks because everyone feels they have a better chance of winning if running sportsman! Don't ask me why!

Again, IMHO

Rattler...

when i started, we already had sportsman class but few were running it. at the local track, everybody ran 10.5 GN. some good close racing trying to make the A main outright or with a bump up. then we had some beginners that needed some time.
so we started the sportsman at the local track. then the 9 mm came along. for over 3 years we couldn't get anyone out of sportsman. some of them are now just going to the big carb again . having raced both , i don't see the attraction to sportsman.
other then the #s part now. there are some really fast sportsman who can give the Roger Newells and etc. a run for the money. what are they going to do when these big dogs are forced to drop down because either GN is gone, or the #s just aren't there? go to novice? when your skills are good enough to run up front consistently in sportsman , its time to move up. I know some guys that race GN , even though they aren't that fast or even come close winning, but they are always under control, and they are in GN so they can bring the car home in one piece every week. i'll be going to truck(which i can't stand) if 8.5 is the future of cars.

That's exactly my point! Kudo's to you for at least seeing what is being done! Your correct that when sportsman takes over, there will be NO GN and then what? They keep slowing the cars down just so people can be more competitive but what are those that are running sportsman going to do when the GN guys drop down, IF they do, and keep getting beat again, drop themselves down to novice?
My viewpoint on the matter is if a GN driver can afford to race it and can drive it with proven experience then have the class at all local and national races, not just national races! Some local tracks only run sportsman because that's all they have and say they don't run GN. If that's the case everywhere then they might as well right that class off the books and then there goes the GN racers from the past!
I say, 10.5 carb un restricted and stacks allowed, lighten the clutches and MAYBE open the fuel for GN. Sportsman can stay like it is!

Rattler...

Some local tracks only run sportsman because that's all they have and say they don't run GN. If that's the case everywhere then they might as well right that class off the books and then there goes the GN racers from the past!

Rattler...

Rattler-

Can you re-phrase or re-word your statement(s) quoted above? I have read the words three or four times and I am not sure I understand the message you were trying to communicate. I want to make sure I understand exactly what you were trying to communicate. :) No issues with it; just trying to understand. :woohoo:

Thanks,

Joe Brooks
:thumbsup:

Sure Joe! I run GN as you know and always have since the good ole days but NOW tracks that I ask about running GN I'm told all they have is a sportsman class or if you come here, you HAVE to run sportsman rules! So what's the difference? I don't see a track close enough that runs GN or let me say out of three tracks I have inquired within traveling distance, that's what I'm told! Oh and traveling distance means spending Friday traveling, Saturday racing and Sunday traveling home! One track that the Sugarbowl in Ga., did run GN but that track is history!
There are a LOT of racers that would like to run GN that run sportsman now but how can they if the tracks don't offer it? They can't even set up a car in practice for GN form because they are too busy setting it up for sportsman! It's kind of like why bother?

Rattler...

I would like to run GN but at our local track (MPR) we race with the Sportsman rules. Some of the reasons given to me by other racers are, (with the motors we have now the cars are to fast for the track, tires didn’t seem to hold up as well, more damage to the cars from going to fast, more competitive racing) to name a few that I remember. When I started racing there we ran trucks and only trucks pretty much a GN with a truck body with the Zenoah 70 motor. Just starting out in the hobby it was quite intimidating to race these trucks that seemed very fast, we then changed to GN for several years with the Black Cap motor. Along came the RED CAP motor and we changed to sportsman rules for the above mentioned reasons and more I am sure. I also travel to race weekly about 100 miles each way, it costs me the same amount of money for going to race sportsman as it does to race GN. My questions are 1) Why is the sportsman A Main only 150 laps why not 200/225 laps, I have already committed my day to racing why not let me race? 2) At QSAC events why can’t a driver race in Sportsman and GN if he has 2 cars? 3) What rules will we use if there is only one QSAC class for full body cars? I am not trying to change the world as we know it just wondering. I believe that QSAC does a great job making decisions that will help our hobby / sport grow and keep the level of competition close in all classes. You will always have drivers that will rise to the top in any form of racing and dominate a class or track that’s just the way it works. We have a driver at our local track that has won all but one main this year (he didn’t win because of a broken spindle) we still go to race there knowing that we are racing for second place, but also knowing that we will get that first WIN some day!!!!...



Dangerous Dave

Owner and Crew #3 “THE ROOKIE SENSATION” Mike Dygon

MPRNN

Well there you go. You hit the nail on the head. The increase tire ware comes from the number of laps not the car. The cars are not that much faster. I have seen sportsman cars run with the GN cars at clover. A lot of it is setup. The sportsman cars are faster in the corner and GN is faster on the staight's. I like having to work the throttle a little in the corner That is why I like the GN and truck classes. The sportsman car is alot easier to manage than the GN. That is the real reason people run the sportsman class its easier.

This is all good stuff guys and I certainly don't dispute anything that was said, but the "seasoned" veterans I have talk to believed that Sportsman was supposed to be an intermediate class between novice and GN. I know I'm going to regret asking this but, if this is true, shouldn't the NCS Sportsman Champion not be allowed to compete in the class again? I'm not talking about local racing just the NCS series. I was also told that this used to be the rule. I'm probably going to be sorry I asked but what do you guy think?

This is all good stuff guys and I certainly don't dispute anything that was said, but the "seasoned" veterans I have talk to believed that Sportsman was supposed to be an intermediate class between novice and GN. I know I'm going to regret asking this but, if this is true, shouldn't the NCS Sportsman Champion not be allowed to compete in the class again? I'm not talking about local racing just the NCS series. I was also told that this used to be the rule. I'm probably going to be sorry I asked but what do you guy think?

I to feel that sportsman was a intermediate class, but our local problem is we don't have enough racers for one class. A single class was picked and that's what we race with. I would much rather race under GN rules but with the lack of racers it just won't happen. That was one of my questions, why can't a driver race in 2 full body classes at a NCS race using 2 different cars.

Dave Dygon

I know I'm going to regret asking this but, if this is true, shouldn't the NCS Sportsman Champion not be allowed to compete in the class again? I'm not talking about local racing just the NCS series. I was also told that this used to be the rule. I'm probably going to be sorry I asked but what do you guy think?



I think you're right Brent; you probably are going to be sorry. :-) LOL


Lap times are only (approximately) 2 tenths difference between GN & Sportsman, BUT It is a little harder “hooking” up a GN car. Maybe this is why some don't go to GN...? I don't really know.


I myself prefer GN. I feel the Sportsman class is for the new(er) racers, BUT if Sportsman is the only class offered at weekly (local tracks) events I see no harm in running Sportsman. You gotta race, right?!..


Btw- Is there a regular novice class? Or was there ever one @ QSAC events?



To answer your question Brent, No, I don’t think anyone should be forced to move up to GN (or any another class) just b/c he or she won the Sportsman title previously.

For example, Say someone won the title back in 1995 (or whatever year) and then stopped racing for 10 years (or whatever), then returned. Things change (cars & tires motors etc.), driving skills are rusty.

This thread has some very good content! There seems to be an abundance of racers that would prefer to race GN but can't or won't because it's not offered! Brent, maybe you could have some pull to change things if and after you did a poll of sorts and this board seems like a great place to do that!
Just an idea and I know that certain tracks won't change just because qsac says but it's worth a try! :)

LPR averages 8 to 10 racers but has at least 15 members in 1/4 scale. Not all can make it each race... hey that's life. There's no possible way to grow and even race if we split what we have now. So, we take the hand full of racers we have, some new, some semi-experienced and some experienced, put them together in one class (sportsman). Why sportsman? Because, by being restricted it simply narrows the speed gap between the skill levels of the regular racers we have. It does not narrow the gap of experience so don't even mention that! It does give us all the chance to race!

What we do as a club/track is what is required to survive year after year. If the track is not there, then why would it matter us who should be it which class nationally?

For once, we must look beyond the NCS and look at the local tracks. If you expect to have four classes at an NCS, then figure out a way to pour the amount of racers required into the local track week in and week out. You will never have the numbers at the NCS you expect if first it's not gained on the local level. It's not the total number of racers attending a NCS that is keeping the Mfg's building; it's the regular weekend local racer!

If the GN died altogether, it would not mean one thing to a hand full of local racers that just wanted a place to race. They would probably run sprints, trucks and stockcars all in one class if it meant they got the chance to compete!

I cannot get past the local track discussion because to me right now, our track growth is more important than the NCS....sorry.

Fire suit on...flame away!

Tim

racing is racing plate or no plate like was said earlier there is not that much diffrence in times the best are gona be the best no matter what class they run race when you can and what you can that i thought was the point

RATTLER
Just an idea and I know that certain tracks won't change just because qsac says but it's worth a try! :)[/QUOTE] QSAC is not interested in nothing but the growth of the sport not ones own self interest WILL LANDERS#8

I cannot get past the local track discussion because to me right now, our track growth is more important than the NCS....sorry.

Fire suit on...flame away!

Tim

Well said. I think that is probably the majority sentiment. The local tracks everywhere are seeing a decline in GN. At some tracks it's a decline in all classes.

Question:
How can we increase the amount of racers/intrest in 1/4 scale?

Observation:
1/4 scale racing does not have a magazene or publication that get sponsorship/advertizing to sustain itself like an RC magazene or RC Driver. We rely on other magazenes to maybe write a story about 1/4 scale racing once in a blue moon.

There just are not that many hobby shops that include quarter pounders as a selection like a Novac, Associated, or Trinity...

Dave: I think the reason that drivers are not allowed to race GN and Sportsman at an NCS race is so the GN guys don't cherry pick the Sportsman class. At least I think that was the original intent.

Jim: There were two article published in national magazines last year. The Royal Oak in R/C Car and the Montgomery Final in R/C Driver. Along with those two article were advertisements for Quarter Scale Racing thanks to the manufacturers each throwing in money to pay for them. Amazing cooperation from competitors that saw the greater good. From all indications these efforts are starting to pay off. This year Mike Myers was again retained to write and photo shoot the NCS Final in Texas and the assembled article was sent to R/C Driver yesterday. I can't yet say when it will make pubication. So, slightly more than a blue moon, but probably a blue moon before this.

All this money and effort is to promote Quarter Scale and increase membership. These new members don't start racing at a NCS Race, they start at the local tracks and it is a gradual thing, it takes time. Rome wasn't built in a day.(Sorry, I had the throw that in.) Some tracks seem to be experincing more growth than others but on a national level the growth is there. Next time you talk to your manufacturer ask how business is compared to last year or better yet the year before. I can tell you that we have experienced a 20-25% growth in membership.

Now I forgot what I wanted to say.....

Oh yeah, I'm not telling anybody what should happen. We're always looking for input and somethings will require membership vote, so fill out those postcards. And if you really want to get QSAC's attention submit a suggestion form from the web site. If your serious enough to look it up, print it, fill it out and mail it, QSAC is really serious about looking at it.

The question I posed above was to try for an understanding of how the membership feels. It is not a poll and the truth is that I feel an internet forum has a limited value.(Sorry Hank) I place much more value on the suggestion form and talking to racers at the tracks. It's just too easy to sit behind a computer screen and explain how the world should be run.

Typically I've rattled on too much. I've got to finish some stuff at work then figure out how to put my engine back together(I got the lucky teardown in Dallas) and get it in the car. Look the car over once and load everything to go to a race tomorrow.

No problem Brent. I wasn't complaining about what QSAC has and is doing. I think you guys are doing a great job (Thank you for that!!!) promoting the sport, dealing with rule changes, getting publications to write about us, and such... My observation was that we (1/4 scale racers) do not have a dedicated magazine to promote our sport (yet).

The other RC hobbiest have several magazines, and they seem to be focused on the nitro trucks and buggies. That is great for them, but typical Johnny hobby guy is way more likley to spend money on the parking lot / grassy field run em in the ground type of vehicle instead of a 1/4 scale car. Mostly because they don't know about them or have never seen one.

I guess my question or challenge is: How or what can we (and the local tracks) do to help promote the sport?

This really is on topic here, because I believe that if you get more people invloved (as slow a process as that is) the better the racing is and more classes there will be. I think this would increase the amount of Grand National as well as other classes at all the tracks in the long run.

I can't comment on the NCS stuff, because I've never been to one (yet).
Talk about rattling on:woohoo:

I think the lack of magazine articles and ads is a big issue with the growth of our sport. I know back years ago when I was a kid, you seen ALOT of 1/4 scale race coverage, ads how to articles all kinds of things. Now you see nothing. There are 1/5 scale ads, thats why I think alot of poeple dont know about 1/4 scales. They think 1/5 is the biggest of the cars. Even on inside R/C said the 1/5 scale is the largest of the r/c cars. That did'nt help matters.

Anyway I know it's really expensive now to advertise in the magazines so that is a huge problem in itself. The fact that there is'nt alot of these cars in hobby shops hurts us too. But thats just how it is with these cars I guess. They are expensive to buy and let sit, but the exposure would be great. I think we are getting stronger from the couple ads in R/C car and R/C driver, we just need more of it.

I think things are looking up for us as a whole, but the local level needs something. I would love to run GN, but we dont have a class for it. I can't really see any difference other than you are running a little faster. I personally like going faster. It was said earlier the cream will rise to the top. This is true, it doesnt matter what a person runs if he's good he's good. I would rather get my @$$ handed to me every week by the fastest guys and learn something from them, than be in one class all the time because thats all I can do. I am not taking anything away from the sportsman guys, I get beat by some good ones every week. But I am learning and they dont beat me as bad as they used to. I get faster with time, If I ran GN it would be the same thing. The bad thing about the NCS is the regular weekly sportsman guys are'nt going to run against the GN guys because they already have the car set up for sportsman.

Sorry to ramble.

One thing thst could be tried is small prizes (door or tickets) to end up going to the newbies . rod ends , spark plugs , nuts & bolts , other things they need to keep cars running . things we take for granted might help them comming back until they better. also help from the others . new drivers never know when or what to look for or who to ask for help.

I race at Clover and we only have 7-10 drivers on a regular basis.We normally have 4 Sportsman and 4-5 Charger class (beginners).We would love to have a GN class but just don't have enough drivers.I would love to step up and run with the "BIG DOGS" of GN just to see how i stack up,but i have never run the big carb and from what i've seen and heard the 9mm was just as fast and easier to handle off the corners.I personally don't like the idea of restrictor plates but i understand they were put in to save people from having to buy a Sportsman carb to run the class.We had to buy them when they changed the Sportsman to 8.5 and i don't see why they shouldn't have to buy them now.Just my opinions and not trying to step on any toes.I also think the people in QSAC are doing a great job.
Chuck Moretz

i dont' want to mess with that carb. they are hit and miss on quality. and you have to drill top screw. you have to change jets. dont' want to do all that.
so easy to throw a plate in and race. if i have to buy that carb to race that class, then i won't . still wouldn't today. and i didn't race it until they came out with the plate. but hey thats me.

Where are all these guys that prefer to run GN during the NCS?


Brent,

I would concentrate on the tracks. Plead with these tracks to become sanctioned whether hosting an NCS or not. Have the tracks to require QSAC memberships for it's racers. Offer the racers at the non NCS tracks a reduced membership rate...say $25. If they race a NCS during the year, let them pay a little more at entry.

I myself would pay $25 even if I have no intentions of running a NCS race during the year. I know that my money goes to good use by QSAC. After all, QSAC gives us a set of rules & guidelines to race under. All tracks use these rules that run 1/4 anyway.

This would also give the track the ability to use the QSAC name on trophies and plaques for track championships. Example... "Track name 2007 QSAC Truck Champion"

No, this doesn't solve the GN low numbers, but it can't hurt.

Brent,

The suggestion form on the QSAC site shows a deadline to submit of August 1, 2007. Is this a typo? Can we still submit?


And if you really want to get QSAC's attention submit a suggestion form from the web site. If your serious enough to look it up, print it, fill it out and mail it, QSAC is really serious about looking at it.

I guess my question or challenge is: How or what can we (and the local tracks) do to help promote the sport?


This is on the QSAC web site (form center).Check it out.

http://www.qsac.org/pdfs/QSAC%20Track%20%20Promo%20Outline%201-1-06.pdf

Need to keep all the classes and work on filling them up. I think after you have ran QSAC NCS races for three years you should run GN, Super truck, or Sprints. Some may want to move quicker. The sportsman class should be for fairly new to the sport driver not a ten year vet. This would help keep the newer driver enterested in the sport. And have a chance to win a NCS race.

Just my 2 cents

Need to keep all the classes and work on filling them up. I think after you have ran QSAC NCS races for three years you should run GN, Super truck, or Sprints. Some may want to move quicker. The sportsman class should be for fairly new to the sport driver not a ten year vet. This would help keep the newer driver enterested in the sport. And have a chance to win a NCS race.

Just my 2 cents every class needs a measureing stick to move up to the competitive level in each class if you have all the top drivers in one bowl were does that leave the rest each time they go on the track to beat guys like randy brown in sportsman you have done something got to have the TOP DOGS in any class it only makes it better all the top NCS drivers are ther for a reason there dam good and you better bring your a game when you race aginst them if you dont its hard to be mad on how you finished in any class just my .0002 cents worth WILL LANDERS

The outline IN2RACIN mentioned is just a guideline, something to get you thinkin'. It's still a lot of work.

NitroWolf, Absolutely, submissions are always accepted and appreciated. The 8/1 deadline was only put in for consideration in the next year's rule package which is released 12/1. The suggestions submitted are really hashed over among the committee men, co-chairs and any other affected parties, such as the manufacturers. All of this takes time and co-ordination, a lot of time and consideration. Although I suppose if some great brilliant idea was suggested the screws could be turned to get it implemented in a hurry.

Now that I've said that, it also must be understood the that a "knee-jerk" reaction is almost always a bad idea. All suggestions must be looked at objectively and how it affects everyone involved. Cost, availability, implementation, enforceability and accountability are just some of the things that have to be considered. God, I never knew I could string that many 50 cent words into one sentence. I guess what I'm saying is that there is more to it than meets the eye and a balance must be maintained and if somebody's suggestion isn't used there was a reason. Hell, I certainly don't have all the answers. If I did I'd be on a board of directors somewhere knocking down the big bucks!

Brent:
I had all the answers, they just didn't match the questions. The answers that did match I can't remember. Besides they will just change all the questions again so what's the sense in it.

Fo owa
A.K.A.
four hour Fred

Where are all these guys that prefer to run GN during the NCS?


Brent,

I would concentrate on the tracks. Plead with these tracks to become sanctioned whether hosting an NCS or not. Have the tracks to require QSAC memberships for it's racers. Offer the racers at the non NCS tracks a reduced membership rate...say $25. If they race a NCS during the year, let them pay a little more at entry.

I myself would pay $25 even if I have no intentions of running a NCS race during the year. I know that my money goes to good use by QSAC. After all, QSAC gives us a set of rules & guidelines to race under. All tracks use these rules that run 1/4 anyway.

This would also give the track the ability to use the QSAC name on trophies and plaques for track championships. Example... "Track name 2007 QSAC Truck Champion"

No, this doesn't solve the GN low numbers, but it can't hurt.think tim as got a great idea think it would benifit tracks and qsac i would be all for it this is the way it is in 10th scale

We are a sanctioned track at Riverfront r\c speedway Fort Dodge,ia.
We also run all three classes novice, sportsman and grand national.
we started the novice class this year because we gained 3 new members to racing
this year. Our largest clas is sportsman do to skill level. But we have 2 to 3 drivers jumping to GN next year because they feel they have improved enough to be competitive
with the big boy's. I my self race my first GN race this past weekened, it was a new
experience in driving. But I did like the speed