Just sharing sum pics of a new WCM roll cage car for one of my team guys . Some of you have seen this car in action . Out here in the NW we havent .Knoxmotorsports is doing the complete package ,laydown motor ,rear suspnsion adjustment left side bumper pod, shock trick kit, new sway bar kit ,front end work . this car should be in the 5 sec club at our Track ,
Robert :thumbsup:

Looks as if some of us owners of older style(2002-2006) WCM's could retro-fit the cage on our existing chassis'?

sweeeeeeeet cant wait to get my hands on one

Yes you can update your older version 2002 to 2005 cars .WCM still offers both versions of the gn car. The 2007 chassis [NONroll cage ]has been updated to a laydown motor plate , new clutch bell housing ,and a better throt&brake servo plate,new shocks ,This car is awsume,

After Kevin Burd got his new WCM .He seen one of these[rollcage car], at Algona ,and had me call to see if he could get a roller kit , as he wasnt sure about his new car yet ? Well after his last pratice he is sure ,
WCM will sell the rollcage car kit, as a roller no motor or shocks, body , it is just a roller kit , for 950.00 or if you want you can buy just the chassis .for 425.00 [at this time] + shipping . thankyou to all of our customers
Robert Knox ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, :) Knoxmotorsports :thumbsup:

Wow! that is really good news. Nice to see that WCM is trying to bring scale looks back into the hobby. Huge kudos !!! Great looking car there!

Very nice, how long does it take after ordering to get one?

Can you order the cage kit...weld it yourself? Also, are the new chassis brazed, mig or tig welded?


Thanks,
Tim

I wonder if you can remove the frame rail above the clutch so you can take the motor out complete. Like we can with our 4 stroke chassis, and not reduce the strength of the chassis.

I wonder if you can remove the frame rail above the clutch so you can take the motor out complete. Like we can with our 4 stroke chassis, and not reduce the strength of the chassis.
a buddy of mine ordered one exactly that way. it opens the clutch side to make it easy to work on. he did go to a larger dia. bottom rail on that side to add a little strength. there were a few other changes to add strength back in as well and it ended up waying a little more than his older chassis.

Would you have a picture of bottom of chassis. Thanks

wow very nice looking car

You going to need those door bars willy.LOL:lol: Nice car Rick It looks very strong.

You going to need those door bars willy.LOL:lol: Nice car Rick It looks very strong. yeah this is the new bump and run edition better be careful when you lean on one with the pro-? it might change some of your camber settings LMAO

thanks for all the replys and I will try to answer some questions about this very beautiful car , Its going to be a shame to race it , oh WELL !!!!
I recived the car 5 weeks after I ordered ,1425.00 plus 45.00 shipping
The chassis is brazed and I prefer that , It is easier to repair. Dont tear frame just weild , Will post more pics ,, got this car tuesday from WCM it will
BE RACED THIS SATURDAY ! Thanks Robert Knox
Knoxmotorsports :wave:

Hey BADDMAN, you will see this car Saturday night. I can't wait to get this car on the track and put in some laps. I want to Thank Bob Knox from Knoxmotorsports. He is going way out of his way to get me set up to race this car Saturday. Of course he is always spending most of at the track helping everyone out which barly leaves him time to get his own stuff ready.

What is that you guys said ? oh yea when you buy a WCM car from Knoxmotorsports you get a Bob to go with it , I guess that me ! what a nice thing to say ,I hope Iam up to it and dont let you down , thank you for your kind words and always pickin on me ,
I believe that 1/4 scale is growing and I think that if someone could offer a good handling car and help when things go bad ,it will bring less frustrated people back to the track ,it is a great place to have fun and make freinds ,When I started I got great help from faster23motorsports and It started a good freindship now we help each other .
Here are some more pics of Shaun s new car , as some of you wanted to see more of it Thanks again Bob Knoxmotorsports :wave:

Now that's a unique location for the fuel tank.

Well, I gota tell ya, Bob told me where he put his fuel tank and I thought the same thing you are all probably thinking too. I put mine there and I haven't moved it since. The car works better in my 2005 WCM. Thanks Bob! From the other side of the USA.

I've never tried that location, but I'll try anything when it comes to handling.

Has anyone ever weighed their fuel tank (8oz) full of a mix? I think gas weighs about 6 or 7 lbs per gallon....right?

That location stands to reason as long as the car still conforms to the QSAC 45%/55% left to right weight bias rule. Surely the fuel doen't weigh enough to make that big a difference?

I mount my 5 cell reciever pack on the left rear of the side pod because it is heavy as it won't loose wieght like burning fuel off.

Dave D

I'm with Dave on this one! Problem is the fuel goes away and the weight bias changes making the set-up change all thru the race. If anything I would want weight to be added at that spot during the race not taken away! I mount my fuel tank in the middle right in front of the engine.
As Cliff said will it conform to the qsac weight bias rules? I would think that it would since most WCM's or any of the cars for that matter need about 2 lbs of added left side weight to just make it a 52% left side bias! That's a lot of weight but it does work and make the car handle better! Static weight and rolling weight mean different things!
I like the looks of this new car. Kind of resembles the Cracker car but with WCM parts are not an issue! I look for this to be a HUGE seller!
Good luck Rick, I hope you have plenty of help! Looks like your going to need it!

Rattler...

Good points both. I found that in a 150 lap race or 75 for that matter, that the left rear does not get the heat in the first 5 - 10 laps, then it gets hotter. This makes the car want to push coming off the corner (a small amount). I've located my tank in 4 different places in the last year and half. since I've located it in the left rear, it has proven to be more consistant through the race. Also when there is a caution (like that never happens) the extra weight in the left gets you up to speed faster than in having it other areas.

This is all personal preferance and how you drive and how the race goes for that matter. I reality, there is very little difference no matter where you put it. If it is located in the center, left, or right or laying flat as I see most do in the CramCracker cars, when the gas burns off the car will get loose or push depending on the setup.

So good points everyone, there are always more than one way to flip a burger. (didn't want to say skin a cat) DOAH!!

Good information guys! I'll give it a try on my sons WCM. I would like to update a 2003 chassis with the cage kit. I hear of a dirt oval being built in Easley and it would make a nice looking latemodel or East Coast Mod!

That location stands to reason as long as the car still conforms to the QSAC 45%/55% left to right weight bias rule. Surely the fuel doen't weigh enough to make that big a difference?do they check weight bias i haven't heard of it being checked?????

QSAC used to check during pre race inspection whether it's still done or not, I couldn't say! Knowing what your percentages are for your own good is well worth knowing if you ask me because it DOES make a difference in how a car performs! Most every new car I see comes out of the shop with less than 50% left side weight even the Cracker car believe it or not!

Rattler...

do they check weight bias i haven't heard of it being checked?????oops i posted under willys screenname!!!!!!!!!!!!

QSAC used to check during pre race inspection whether it's still done or not, I couldn't say! Knowing what your percentages are for your own good is well worth knowing if you ask me because it DOES make a difference in how a car performs! Most every new car I see comes out of the shop with less than 50% left side weight even the Cracker car believe it or not!

Rattler...yeah i figured i would ask before i go to texas. i know they didn't check it in easley. so i figured i would would ask. your weight bias #'s do matter i have a couple of setups one would be borderline on weight bias!!!!!!

gotta give rick the thumbs up on this one. i will be ready for mine soon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But it is PRO 1 BLUE. Other than that Sweet!!! :thumbsup:

I just got my new Cage car this afternoon from Rick, this is one nice looking car!!!...
I hope to have it ready to race for the Freddie"s Sportsman Shootout Race!!!...

Dave Dygon

WCM will do just about what ever color you want. He has the Red & Black as the standard colors. But the other colors may take longer. Can't wait to get mine. It has its own style. Hope to make the Texas Race NCS #6

A....er....Rattler's right. You'll have a hard time getting all the weight bias on the left side. The engine flywheel is the killer.

Bias will be checked in Dallas.

The guy that owns this car plans on using LIPO cells to make up for the extra weight of the chassis ,One of the cars that i sold to a team mate in IOWA ,weighed his car the the new non rollcage car and he says it is still heavy on the right side , My reason for putting it there is with my set up in my car is a little loose the first couple laps ,this seems to help as the race goes on ,then it is just left side weight ,Bye the way the new rollcage car is finished all except for paint on body [ Shaun s ] job ,,,,Some great replys and comments
Thanks ,,,,Robert Knox ,, :wave: Knoxmotorsports

Well I ran the car this weekend and all I can say is WOW!! This car is awsome. I am not the most expereiced 1/4 scale driver (I have 7 yrs experince driving touring cars) but this car drives itself. Bob set the car up with the same setup he runs on the regular chassis and it worked like a DREAM. I was running consistant times about .2 off the fast car times and that was with a break in plug and non synthetic 2 cycle oil (motor break in). This new WCM is a fantastic car and if you want to get a quality setup and more help than you could ever want, look to Knoxmotorsports.

Shaun

good job
how did you place?
who won the race?
sorry i didn't make it. I had a few things to do.

Very awesome!

Ya I got the red rollcage...and man i have never seen anything like it!! The designs of the parts and the cars have gone a long way... xtra kudos for WCM!!

Hey ! thats great . I have another WCM rollcage car coming and it is red also , The car is a awsume looking car ,it looks like it means business
I did get to drive the one that we setup and sold to Shaun , It was ,fast ,and drove very nice ,no new car blues !!! NOW have fun!!!!
Robert Knox Knoxmotorsports

Light gray or bone as some call it always looks nice on rol cages!

I was told by a long time and very fast 1/4 scale racer that "REAL RACE CAR CHASSIS" are always "RED"


Dave D

I like blue , but red & gray are great looking cars to !
Will post some pics of the Red chassis when it comes in to be setup .Bob :thumbsup:

I like the RED. Rick at WCM has really been great responding to all my questions.

I like the RED. Rick at WCM has really been great responding to all my questions.

I have posted on the "Then and Today Thread" pictures of my old WCM and new WCM car both are RED... They are on page 6!!!...


Dave D

I have posted on the "Then and Today Thread" pictures of my old WCM and new WCM car both are RED... They are on page 6!!!...


Dave D
Man that is sweet, how long did it take to get the new car after you ordered it?

I can't remember but it was a while because I want some different things done to it !!!...

Dave D




Man that is sweet, how long did it take to get the new car after you ordered it?

Have to say WOW again ,,,Dave them are some beautiful cars , I am impressed, You have some nice cars WOW ,WOW, & WCM TOO ! AWESOME !!! Thanks for sharing your pics , good luck with that new car , I used them same setup as my 06 chassis car and it works good ,,Robert

Hey Bob this is sonny bryan, car looks good. sorry for not getting back with you Ive had some health Issues, but back on track. Did you get the pics of my car I sent you, I will try to call you this weekend. thanks for all your help thats how you keep people coming back way too go.

Hey ! Sonny , sorry to hear that you were sick , but glad to hear to you are doing better ,
Yes i got the pics of your car and it looks great , you did a nice job on it , I do have some extra tires or can get some if you still want to make a trade on what you where talkin about . if not thats ok too .
I have sold two of these rollcage cars one on its way here , should get it next week , the guy that bought it wants the complete knoxmotorsports race pkg on it ,, ie ,, laydown motor , fuel handle, rear suspension work , that means new tailing arm stand offs ,and relocating the rt top watt link , to help with the roll center , , new radio box and clamp kit ,left side bumper kit , body post kit , new sway bar arms , throttle servo links ,, then i do some trick work on the shocks , breakin the motor , mount and set body , thats about 5 days work , but I enjoy doing it , Lookin forward to talkin to you again , Robert ,,,, knoxmotorsports :thumbsup:

Here are sum pics of the 2nd WCM roll cage GN car that i have sold . This one ask for it to be not put toghter, It came with the motor mounted, but the buyer wants a laydown ,so I pulled it also , Heres the pics of what I recived ,
It is Awsome , I like the red , Thanks for working with me Rick!!!!!! ,This new car will recive the complete Knoxmotorsports speedway pkg, Thank you Steve Pfister , owner of Pfister Aviation & the NORTH WEST R.C.SPEEDWAY in Pasco Washington :thumbsup: