Amen Joe! Lets keep the class as is! We more experienced racers just need to help out those with less experience and the crashing will end!!

I AGREE, if you see someone struggling then offer help don't wait for them to ask because they more than likely won't ask.

so midnight did you run last nite! if so how well did you do! when are you gonna start running sk mod?

Hey Joe Maybe the guys that have 13.5 motors and want to goto 17.5 might look at selling their 13.5 motors to the 13.5 racers? That would give them front money for their 17.5, just a thought for those particular racers.

yea midnight how did you do last night?????? the track was good...

well me and jeremy are planning on running 17.5 since midnight is a pain in the a** anyone looking to buy a SS 13.5 brandnew never run

The problem with 17.5 is that dot said they haven't been able to get any to stock at the track and tommy just buy a 17.5 and keep the 13.5 when your ready to move up.

Yo Justin when are ya coming back down?

2 class's arnt to bad but more then that and there will be a decline. its boring to race the same guys in the heats as the main. might as well go out for dinner and a movie then show up for the main. ;) having it go down to a D main was sweet

if im not mistaken, dot told me last night that she had'em. But ill have to call and make sure. :dude:

Well if we stack the heats the same guys will be racing each other all nite anyway.

not really because enventually some of these new racers will get better. thats the point i think.

I have to agree with Dale and Joe, having 15 to 20 cars to race with each week is great. Having too many classes over the years diluted them down to the point of being boring. Although I do agree a class such as 17.5 is needed lets not do it in haste and mess up the great racing we have now. As for the slower drivers, everyone as the right to be in the class the choose [with respect to those already in that class], its the responsability of the more skilled drivers to help them improve, and the race director to stack the heats for fair and clean racing. The racing, so far this season has been some of the best in a long time. Therefore whatever we do lets not break down what we have while trying to make improvements. Brett, you are right to a point, as some drivers improve and others have a bad night and throw in different people showing up on different nights it may not be as routine as you might think.

There was at least 1 17.5 in the hobby shop last night, I got a second car and I'll be willing to buy a 17.5 and help get the class rolling for the guys that want to run 17.5, two classes isn't that bad with brushless no motors to thrash on. Any other takers or guys willing to run a second class??The problem with 17.5 is that dot said they haven't been able to get any to stock at the track and tommy just buy a 17.5 and keep the 13.5 when your ready to move up.

wow everyone is making such great points it is hard to choose whos right and whos wrong and who you want to agree with but i think everyone has a great point to a degree so i think 2 pansar classes would actually work a littl better due to how many different skilled drvers there are and the less experienced driver can run 17.5 and the people that are running consistant and good so far in 13.5 can stay there but like ray said now that there moght be a 17.5 class hopelully not everyone runs out and gets that motor so they can win in that class just run what you feel comfortable in

There was at least 1 17.5 in the hobby shop last night, I got a second car and I'll be willing to buy a 17.5 and help get the class rolling for the guys that want to run 17.5, two classes isn't that bad with brushless no motors to thrash on. Any other takers or guys willing to run a second class??
dirk if someone has an extra car with the system i would be more than happy to run in 17.5 more "seat time" to get my experience up. have some more fun, and just try to get better at adjusting the car and driving it with not having to work on motors anymore i think that will help alot

yeah i agree with franklin. everyone seems to have good points. i deffinatly think that a crowd, draws a bigger crowd. tonight i talked to a old racer on AOL and after hearing me say that theres 15 racers on average and been going down to the C main latly, hes thinking about coming back. 2 classes isnt so bad though. who knows. :)

There was at least 1 17.5 in the hobby shop last night, I got a second car and I'll be willing to buy a 17.5 and help get the class rolling for the guys that want to run 17.5, two classes isn't that bad with brushless no motors to thrash on. Any other takers or guys willing to run a second class??
Hey Dirk thats what they told a few weeks ago I guess they got them, I'll pick one up and try a 17.5 class (if theres enough) we tried getting a 10.5 going but there was only 3 people so we decided not to run so lets see what happens next week. :wave:

The problem with 17.5 is that dot said they haven't been able to get any to stock at the track and tommy just buy a 17.5 and keep the 13.5 when your ready to move up.
i already have two 13.5s im just getting rid of the brand new one so i can buy 17.5

Joe is that guy Andy H.? i agree i like the fact that theres 20+ cars and you have to work to make the "a", but i still think we need a 17.5 class for the newer racers and not to intimidate anyone from running pan cars because they fell 13.5 is too much, i think 17.5 might get more people involved in pan cars, beside it will give midnight rider a place to race Tommy! LOL

17.5 would be a great class. I practiced with my 17.5 at Kranzel's yesterday and it was a really good speed. If you guys start that class, I am sure a few of us from down south would run 13.5 and 17.5 when we come up. We are also starting a 17.5 class at the Strand and a few of the guys from there would probably come up from time to time. If Dot doesn't have the motors in stock, Lefthander has them....

Ok , Rays point about not doing this in haste is wise and should be thought out before deciding what to do. Franklin also hit the nail on the head about drivers who might drop down to run in a class just so they can win . I have seen this happen before and kill a class which in turn depleted the pan car ranks. Maybe if a couple of top drivers ran some 4 minute trials with 17.5 to establish what the laps would be we could create a breakout system where if you beat or tie the established laps ,at the end of that series you must move up to 13.5 or higher? Does anyone have more input to this type of system? I think Bill Marshall would welcome this type of class if explained to him properly.

dylan just checking dirt runners site 87 laps not bad, just 4 laps off last years record LOL


Yeah Yeah next time Ill go faster lol....... All that matters is its this years record so far.

Wow alot of good ideas. To start a 17.5 class for the new and up coming would be great to keep an intrested racer racing. Dales idea sounds good to me for setting a starting point of laps to beat. That would give them a goal like mine is for 63. Plus 17.5 will give us another class to run and it will also let us know who needs the help for improvement. I know i've been helping who I can in the 13.5 class and it might not be much but I try to let them know what I know(not much!!!!).
But it has really been a blast and I aslo want to keep it that way. We all need help at one point or another so lets keep the family togerther have a few meetings, make fun with each other and race till the BATTERIES BLOW UP.

Breakout class isn't going to help, forcing a guy to move up isn't the answer.
People need a class to run were they feel they can run and have fun (isn't this why we spend tons time at the track) and not have to be pushed into a class were they don't want to run. And this is not pointed to anyone but some guys that are able to run stock and do it with some success won't be able to handle the increased speed. At that point they stop having fun and quit.

Point taken, but couldn't moving up in class be optional? That way they can try the next class and if they don't like it stay where they are. Some guys I think want to run 17.5 becuase they don't want to be; or feel they think they are in the way in 13.5. I dont think that would hurt the 13.5 class and would give us a second class to run to keep busy. Just dont want the guys who aren't running yet to stay home cuase there unsure of there capabilities.

besides we need a class for Jimmy to run :)

they have a legends class already:lol: besides we need a class for Jimmy to run :)

Leave it the way it is. Do you guys remember back in the day Stock & Mod. That's it. We all get a bad heat from time to time. Now that there is a good crowd for 13.5 I would hate to see it divided into two Brushless classes. To me the Busch class is a joke and should be forgotten about all together. Just for the record I'm not against 17.5 either I just hate to see a good field of cars get reduced to what was once 19T.

I just thought having a 17.5 would give us 13.5 guys another class to run and open another for the guys who are afraid to start.

I just thought having a 17.5 would give us 13.5 guys another class to run and open another for the guys who are afraid to start.
Or us guys could go faster and start a 10.5 class for porksalot

lol finally someone else agrees with me about another bl class right now. thanks WALT! but maybe 17.5 would be cool. most likely withen a year every top racer will be 17.5 and it will be like stock is now. at that point we probly will have 21.5 motors for the newbies.

this is just the worst situation and could possibly not even happen but here is what next years classes could be...

mod for pros
10.5 for pros, and talented racers
13.5 for pros, and talented racers, and average racers
17.5 for pros, and talented racers, and average racers, and newbies with talent
21.5 for pros, and talented racers, and average racers, and newbies with talent, and newbies without talent

what class will be the biggest? i deffinatly think we need more then 1 pan class but like ray said do it in haste

Can I plz get some phone #s of some place to stay.. And I DONT want to leave with CROUCH CRITTERS??? Im thinking about coming out this weekend and will need some were to stay.
JW#62

http://fife-and-drum.com/default.aspx there you go. that place should be nice it was just redone a month ago. hope to see yah soon!

Spent a few nights there have ya????!!!!!LOL

lol nah actually i havnt but im sure since its rebuilt it shouldnt be to bad right? :P

http://fife-and-drum.com/default.aspx there you go. that place should be nice it was just redone a month ago. hope to see yah soon!
THANKS.. How far is it from the track??
JW#62

i'd like to see 10.5 get started if nothing else as a second class

jw its no more then 10 mins from the track. you said you didnt want critters so i think thats your best bet. the is hotels withen 5 mins but im pretty sure critters are part of the package deal :)

Cutter.. your right it was Andy H.

jw its no more then 10 mins from the track. you said you didnt want critters so i think thats your best bet. the is hotels withen 5 mins but im pretty sure critters are part of the package deal :)

Cutter.. your right it was Andy H.

PORKSALOT4L That will be GOOD just wanted to now how far I will have to go..... THX again
JW#62

Congrats Allen. Nice to see you on the site

i'd like to see 10.5 get started if nothing else as a second class count me in for 10.5 or mod

You'll have to show up for that to happen, Whatzzz up

who is this bonzai guy? :thumbsup:

Leave it the way it is. Do you guys remember back in the day Stock & Mod. That's it. We all get a bad heat from time to time. Now that there is a good crowd for 13.5 I would hate to see it divided into two Brushless classes. To me the Busch class is a joke and should be forgotten about all together. Just for the record I'm not against 17.5 either I just hate to see a good field of cars get reduced to what was once 19T.

Walter you share the same concern I have for starting another class. I dont think that 17.5 should be started just to start another class as it will definetly hurt the 13.5 turnout. I think 17.5 should be for nubies or drivers that dont have the skills to run 13.5 yet. If you start another class and have experienced drivers running with the nubies again isnt that the same as leaving things as they are except now you split the field? Everyone has to start somewhere and if 17.5 is the starting point lets leave it as that.

My feeling is that if you start another class and the less experienced drivers run in that class. Then better drivers from the 13.5 class run that also, they will get dicouraged and not run either. I think that the better drivers are just going to have to get around those of us that are not as fast. Everyone just needs to be as couteous as possible and it will all work out. Having a second class is not a bad thing as long as it is done for the right reason. Not for a place for the less experienced drivers to go because the fast guys want to break the track record. Having all the drivers run together will help the slower guys get faster. With these new fangled brushless motors everyone is very fast. No one is off the pace because of lack of power. If we chase away half the field the fast guys will still run the same amount of laps. But the class will dwindle. Just my thoughts on all of this....................WAYNE

One thing that come out of all of this. Have you checked how many people are checking out this thread lately? Ther is a lot of interest in brushless so lets keep the ball rolling.................WAYNE

I'm in for 17.5 and 13.5 this weekend, any takers to get the class started so the newbies will have somewhere to run?

Hello all, how about some 10.5 for the faster guys and leave the new guys in 13.5.
If the 10.5 people want to run a second class then let them run 13.5.
It should be the new blood into 13.5 and not the faster people staying in the same class, when they should move up.
I feel we need a faster class @ marshall's. (10.5 or mod).................Jorge Moreira

this is just like nextel cup and busch , you have all the big teams going back to race busch with all there money and sponsors winning 90% of the races, i dont think the fast guys should go back and run 17.5 let the new guys have it to themselfs and move up when they feel ready! fast guys for a second class move up and run 10.5 , isnt this the reason we race is to go faster? this is just my thoughts on the subject . the older i get the faster i was !!!!!!!! marty bunker, see ya soon !!!!!!!!!!!!!!http://www.hobbytalk.com/bbs1/images/icons/icon10.gif

Hello all, how about some 10.5 for the faster guys and leave the new guys in 13.5.
If the 10.5 people want to run a second class then let them run 13.5.
It should be the new blood into 13.5 and not the faster people staying in the same class, when they should move up.
I feel we need a faster class @ marshall's. (10.5 or mod).................Jorge Moreira sounds good to me !