Kicking around a few ideas, so here we go. With the decline of the Touring Oval class what do you guys think about replacing the TC Oval class with an Open 2wd Late Model class? Dirt Oval is begining to make a comeback and the current TC cars can be converted to 2wd so it looks like we could have a rather large class.

I posted a poll to see what you guys think.

Open 2wd Late Model Class

Open 2wd 4 wheel independent suspension chassis (converted TC chassis allowed)
Direct Drive or Tranny allowed
5mm ride height
Any production Dirt Oval Late Model Full Body
Side Dam and Rear spolier
6-cell 4200mah max
13.5 NOVAK Motor
Open Brushless Speedo
Foams

If you vote please let us know what type of car you would be racing and if you have any ideas on possible rule changes or add-ons.

Corally Assassin Direct Drive (front belt removed)

This could be a killer way to revive the Ol' Skool days of the silicone tires on a fast hard packed dirt oval. We'll just be racing on carpet w/foams! Heck we already have a Sprint class why not a Late Model class as well.

we have been running late model class with 4 wheel drive, so that they can be raced on any surface with out any changes.

Get with the local dirt tracks cause they run a fast 4wd dirt oval now. Plus you don't want to run your 4wd without the front drive, it dosen't work. Go to www.dirtoval.com for more info.

With the decline of the Touring Oval class

Thats because no one can hang with you bro. That car of yours is hauling Assassin.

I vote 2wd late model, ANY 2wd car. Doesn't matter, 4wd without front belt/drive shaft or 2wd buggy, or 2wd dirt oval car, gearbox or DD. As long as they stay less than 10" wide. We could all run the same body, battery, motor combo but different chassis. Lets do something like this with the CW Eldora body and 4-5" side dam. 4 cell, 10.5 brushless only any speedo. These cars would be so hooked up. Bet you could get 20-30 of these machines entered, easily.

Let me know so I can get started cleaning up my 2wd dirt oval car and get my Eldora body painted.

See ya in Florida

I'd vote 2WD Latemodel (as long as all four tires are under the body), brushless 13.5 six cell, Corally Assassin would be my choice of chassis.

Get with the local dirt tracks cause they run a fast 4wd dirt oval now. Plus you don't want to run your 4wd without the front drive, it dosen't work. Go to www.dirtoval.com (http://www.dirtoval.com/) for more info.

A 2wd TC3 oval chassis with 9 turn and 6 cells hooked up at Sandhills on carpet. A 2wd drive will hook up on carpet cause of the grip.

call me crazy..and i know there is a sprint class now but...

a box stock losi slider class that used the infield of the oval to run would be a blast! you could buy a kit onsite and be ready to race!

put a little incentive up for grabs and i bet you get 40 or 50 sliders to race. just an idea...no mods allowed to them...box stock. the A main could be a 50 lap shoot out or something. get losi involved and get some cash involved...i would enter in a heartbeat.

I understand your point, but it will detract fom the wingless sprints. Plus why even bother. If you were to keep it a 4 wd drive class and go for a dirt oval feel with a body change you still won't get any more cars. If you go 2wd nobody in thier right mind would use a DO car on the carpet, rather put a dirt late model body on a pan car. Or even worse, we dirt guys show up w/ DD Intimidators or Terminators and shred every one. You have to put more limiting factors on it. A gearbox car WILL BE NO MATCH for a DD car on carpet.

You would have to seriously limit the size of the air dam and spoiler, plus limit the body. Do you want guys showing up to kick your but with 10 year old out of production CW bat wedges???? (they still exist out there in bags waiting for a chance like this) Then they won't look like current late models.

You need to come up with an approved body list, a reasonable dimention for the side dam and rear spoiler. A limiting factor such as a gearbox, or not. Not both together. A DD Custom Works car will kill most if not all converted TC's.

Just with this idea alone, it is being killed in my own brain. If it was and open class for 2 or 4wd, why not let the Dominators run?

Dirt latemodels are cool because they run on the dirt. Wingless sprintcars are cool because they run on both dirt and asphalt. Heck there are some sprincar racers that have never run on dirt before.

I doubt Mike would open this can of worms. But then again who knows......

call me crazy..and i know there is a sprint class now but...

a box stock losi slider class that used the infield of the oval to run would be a blast! you could buy a kit onsite and be ready to race!

put a little incentive up for grabs and i bet you get 40 or 50 sliders to race. just an idea...no mods allowed to them...box stock. the A main could be a 50 lap shoot out or something. get losi involved and get some cash involved...i would enter in a heartbeat.


No offense but those stupid sliders will be the death of an already struggling dirt oval scene. They should be sold at wal-mart.

Well in theory I liked Katfish's idea.
rj14 - I haven't been able to get my hands on one yet, whats so stupid about them?

Given the two choices, I'm still in for TC Oval. I mean, every year I think the class is dead, but the numbers really haven't changed much in the last three years (and this year I was even planning on bringing an extra car or two just in case somebody wanted to play hired gun).

I think the sliders were meant to be an entry level dirt oval car. But all the ones I have seen run have a 4-5 or 20 yr veteran r/c racer behind the wheel. I haven't seen one NEWBE buy one yet. It's kinda cool someone like Losi is trying to get into the dirt oval scene, but how much harder would it have been to make a 10th scale sprinter out of the XXX buggy parts? Food for thought.

As far as the touring cars/trucks, lets leave em alone for 1 more year, maybe only switch to 13.5 brushless this year with any speedo and see what happens. I think the trucks caught people's eyes last year and the truck class might grow this year.

I don't think the intent behind the touring oval was for it to be a stellar break out class. I believe it was to expose the tc guys to try thier hand at oval without a huge outlay, of time, money and work. Put an oval body on a tc, and go race.

As for the sliders, being that I race nitro and electric dirt oval in the hardcore meca of dirt oval, in PA. That is all everyone is talking about. Yes Losi is trying to expose people to dirt oval. But they don't care about the market at all. All they care about is $$$. They don't care if dirt oval comes back like it was back in the 80's. They are in it for the fad money value. The Losi's were instrumental in the early days of dirt oval. But that was before the corperate machine took over.

All the guys around here want to do is make a $180 car into a $400 car with parts upgrades and everything else under the sun. The point behind the Slider is to have fun, accept the car for what is and isn't. It isn't a high performance race piece like a Custom Works or BMS car. It is an entry level hobby grade toy meant to be fun.

But they don't care about the market at all.


Very interesting.

Oh well, back to the touring car oval discussion.

I don't see the need to change the class, keep it touring oval. I intend to enter the Birds as I did last year. Since I have a couple of TC's laying around I may enter the class. Will I mod one od my EDM's to run a dirt late model on carpet. Not hardly. I know a few cats that will run the calss if it is there next time around.

I vote for tc car 2wd< front belt or shaft gone> only with latemodel body, side dam, and a spoiler.

What's wrong with the way the TC oval class is right now? The only complaint I've ever heard locally is that some (a small minority) don't like the truck bodies. If you can keep the rules the same for 1 more year in this class I'll make every effort to bring my TC oval 4wd truck.

Too many rules changes too often makes it hard for grumpy people like me to keep up. :lol:

The whole idea to get the class count higher. If we can take 15 from the TC what will convert and add 15 from the Dirt Oval side, heck we'll have 30+ cars entered vs 15-20 TC's.

There has been "rumor" of the TC class going the way side because of the low class counts. Now these are just rumors but if he had thoughts and ideas to help keep a 4-wheel suspension class other than sprints going at the Birds. The ultimate choice will lay with Mike but if we can give him some positive feedback on both classes then he will do what is best.

I personally will run either or but would prefer the speeds of 2wd w/airdams. Man these suckers will corner on a dime!

I understand your point, but it will detract fom the wingless sprints. Plus why even bother. If you were to keep it a 4 wd drive class and go for a dirt oval feel with a body change you still won't get any more cars. If you go 2wd nobody in thier right mind would use a DO car on the carpet, rather put a dirt late model body on a pan car. Or even worse, we dirt guys show up w/ DD Intimidators or Terminators and shred every one. You have to put more limiting factors on it. A gearbox car WILL BE NO MATCH for a DD car on carpet.

You would have to seriously limit the size of the air dam and spoiler, plus limit the body. Do you want guys showing up to kick your but with 10 year old out of production CW bat wedges???? (they still exist out there in bags waiting for a chance like this) Then they won't look like current late models.

You need to come up with an approved body list, a reasonable dimention for the side dam and rear spoiler. A limiting factor such as a gearbox, or not. Not both together. A DD Custom Works car will kill most if not all converted TC's.

Just with this idea alone, it is being killed in my own brain. If it was and open class for 2 or 4wd, why not let the Dominators run?

Dirt latemodels are cool because they run on the dirt. Wingless sprintcars are cool because they run on both dirt and asphalt. Heck there are some sprincar racers that have never run on dirt before.

I doubt Mike would open this can of worms. But then again who knows......

Back in 1990 I saw a gearbox car wear out all of the Factory CW boys who flew in for the nats in Texas (hard packed w/silicones). It's all about cornerspeed. One thing you are not realizing is a TC actually has the advantage on a CW DD car because of the technology that has grown. A TC has adjustable anti/pro dive, anti/pro squat, droop, track width, multiple shock locations, and they are narrower creating more grip/cornerspeed. Chuck proved last year a gear down or gear box can run with a DD in the TC class.

If we go 2wd or 4wd I know my Assassin will be competitive and up front in the standings and this year I'll have a "REAL" driver behind the wheel and not my no driven' azz! lol lol lol

Bought time you let Flipper drive your truck Tony...lol

The whole idea to get the class count higher. If we can take 15 from the TC what will convert and add 15 from the Dirt Oval side, heck we'll have 30+ cars entered vs 15-20 TC's.

There has been "rumor" of the TC class going the way side because of the low class counts. Now these are just rumors but if he had thoughts and ideas to help keep a 4-wheel suspension class other than sprints going at the Birds. The ultimate choice will lay with Mike but if we can give him some positive feedback on both classes then he will do what is best.

I personally will run either or but would prefer the speeds of 2wd w/airdams. Man these suckers will corner on a dime!

This is just my opinion and observations that I have. If I had a choice I would rather put a truck or cup (i dont care which) body on one of my tc's collecting dust rather than convert one of my edm's to a late model. I'll (and I am) put together a pancar before I do that. One of the issues is the TC guys will not be very happy when us dirt guys start leaning on them. Up in PA it is nothing for us to dive under someone going into a corner and "bump" them off line. TC boys in general don't play that.

Heck for that matter let the Dominators run. Even on carpet I doubt a TC could hang with it. TC's on dirt sure can't.

My vote is for an SK class

Jessee, I will second that! Keep it simple and let's have fun.

Antonio

Count two of us out if you take the touring oval class and change it. Its fine the way it is, if you want to make the change put a brushless 13.5 perfect dont thank you my 3 cents

13.5 was the largest class at the Oval Nat's this year. I think Mike will have to make some class changes for this years Bird's. 13.5 will have to be added. Maybe it can replace 19 sportsman and that be the only change. One thing to remember, the classes can not grow to much more in racers (max about 400) due to time for running the event. If you put 80 racers in Mod, stock, 19turn, 4300 and 13.5 that is 400 racers. Added classes will have to come from the above classes that do not reach 80 racers or Mike limites them to something less than 80.

I do not look for Mike to list classes untill after the Oval Masters.

How about SK with a spec hand out battery???? Or a Masters class for the old guys.

Just for the sake of argument if 80 guys decided to pre-enter and pre-pay in 1/18 scale oval on the first day of entry (if it were a class), Mike would get his money to put on a good show and there would be a full field of cars. Maybe it wouldn't be an "elite" classes, but why does that matter. I thought that Snowbirds was supposed to be a big, yet fun race.

Now if Mike decided that for any class to run that you had to have a minimum of 24 cars pre-registered and pre-paid by a specific date to ensure that there is more than an A/B main, then I think that is fair. Is the goal to make room for new classes? If we are trying to eliminate classes that have low class counts then why not get rid of 6-cell factory mod. Or better yet, why not combine all of 4-cell 19t into one class instead of 2? In fact how many people that ran 4-cell 19t are going to jump over to 4-cell 10.5 or 4-cell 13.5 this year? HOw about putting a max cap on number of cars in a class or limit the number of classes any racer can be entered to just 1? That would certainly leave room for other racers even if not fair to sponsored drivers or practical for available rooms/pit space.


I see the point of trying to have the TC oval class have enough numbers to validate taking up the time, but I think it should be left as is (except be brushless motors). If that can't be achieved you should change the poll to add get rid of it altogether.

13.5 was the largest class at the Oval Nat's this year. . . . . . . Maybe it can replace 19 sportsman and that be the only change.


one thing to remember, mike is a smart promoter

19t spts was maybe the 2nd largest oval class, over 60 entries

how about dumping the classes w/ less than 25 entries, ie touring oval and or sprinters, not a class w/ over 60 entries

and 13.5 at this yrs ROAR nats had what, less than 30 cars ? ? ?

btw- i will definitely run 13.5 at the birds if they run that class in 08, so i am not knocking the class

13.5 was the largest class at the Oval Nat's this year. I think Mike will have to make some class changes for this years Bird's. 13.5 will have to be added. Maybe it can replace 19 sportsman and that be the only change. One thing to remember, the classes can not grow to much more in racers (max about 400) due to time for running the event. If you put 80 racers in Mod, stock, 19turn, 4300 and 13.5 that is 400 racers. Added classes will have to come from the above classes that do not reach 80 racers or Mike limites them to something less than 80.

I do not look for Mike to list classes untill after the Oval Masters.

How about SK with a spec hand out battery???? Or a Masters class for the old guys.

I think Larry was stating combine the sportman 19 and pro 19 classes so 13.5 could be added.

If I had to take a stab at 08 Snowbird classes, this is what I forsee:

Touring Oval 13.5
1/12th scale 19 turn
Sprint
Stock
13.5
19 Turn
10.5/4300
4-cell Mod
Masters 13.5 (maybe)
6-cell Mod brush/brushless (maybe)

Jessee, I will second that! Keep it simple and let's have fun.

Antonio

yeah i under stand exactly what you mean.... An RSE SK class.... Yeah!

Just for the sake of argument if 80 guys decided to pre-enter and pre-pay in 1/18 scale oval on the first day of entry (if it were a class), Mike would get his money to put on a good show and there would be a full field of cars. Maybe it wouldn't be an "elite" classes, but why does that matter. I thought that Snowbirds was supposed to be a big, yet fun race.

Now if Mike decided that for any class to run that you had to have a minimum of 24 cars pre-registered and pre-paid by a specific date to ensure that there is more than an A/B main, then I think that is fair. Is the goal to make room for new classes? If we are trying to eliminate classes that have low class counts then why not get rid of 6-cell factory mod. Or better yet, why not combine all of 4-cell 19t into one class instead of 2? In fact how many people that ran 4-cell 19t are going to jump over to 4-cell 10.5 or 4-cell 13.5 this year? HOw about putting a max cap on number of cars in a class or limit the number of classes any racer can be entered to just 1? That would certainly leave room for other racers even if not fair to sponsored drivers or practical for available rooms/pit space.


I see the point of trying to have the TC oval class have enough numbers to validate taking up the time, but I think it should be left as is (except be brushless motors). If that can't be achieved you should change the poll to add get rid of it altogether.

I'm diggin' the minimum class count deal. I'll pre-register to help preserve the TC class.........................

Can I pay now! lol

1 class with 400 entries.....

Open Mod Lipo......Last car running wins........

C'mon Moffre, you know you want in on this deal!

CW dominator with the front chain off
Look out

SK brushless!!!!! ya!!!!!

tony
quit sandbaggin the classes you "make up" and run 4 cell stock.
your old azz can still drive. lol

Love ya bro,
Cupcake

yeah i under stand exactly what you mean.... An RSE SK class.... Yeah!
Lets make it fun and run skateboards!

I posted a poll to see what you guys think.

Open 2wd Late Model Class

Open 2wd 4 wheel suspension chassis (converted TC chassis allowed)
Direct Drive or Tranny allowed
5mm ride height
Any production Dirt Oval Late Model Full Body
Side Dam and Rear spolier
6-cell 4200mah max
OPEN MOTOR
Open Brushless Speedo
Foams

If you vote please let us know what type of car you would be racing and if you have any ideas on possible rule changes or add-ons.[/QUOTE]

You'll see the change I made, afterall if it to be an OPEN class with LATEMODEL bodies then do it the justice of letting them run the associated HP just like the WoO late models. I would run a PAN car chassis with the LM body, a pan car does qualify within given guidelines of 4 wheel suspension.

Lets make it fun and run skateboards!


Someone call 911...I think I just heard gunfire!

no side dams there is pleanty of traction at the birds

I posted a poll to see what you guys think.

Open 2wd Late Model Class

Open 2wd 4 wheel independent suspension chassis (converted TC chassis allowed)
Direct Drive or Tranny allowed
5mm ride height
Any production Dirt Oval Late Model Full Body
Side Dam and Rear spolier
6-cell 4200mah max
OPEN MOTOR
Open Brushless Speedo
Foams

If you vote please let us know what type of car you would be racing and if you have any ideas on possible rule changes or add-ons.

You'll see the change I made, afterall if it to be an OPEN class with LATEMODEL bodies then do it the justice of letting them run the associated HP just like the WoO late models. I would run a PAN car chassis with the LM body, a pan car does qualify within given guidelines of 4 wheel suspension.[/QUOTE]

Edited for your viewing pleasure! lol

sk's don't need side dams..... problem solved!

...don't know about the rest of the country...but I'm hearing from some of the regulars from the WeST they'd like to see a LIPO based B/L class...

TORNADO,

With your new adjustment I don't think a late model body, nor a CUP body should be run in this class if offered. As neither CUP or late models run INDEPENDENT suspension perhaps though an open road course body rule would be more fitting.

TORNADO,

With your new adjustment I don't think a late model body, nor a CUP body should be run in this class if offered. As neither CUP or late models run INDEPENDENT suspension perhaps though an open road course body rule would be more fitting.

Like a 1/10th scale GTP Body? The only problem with those bodies is it's really hard to lower the nose down because of the front shocks/towers. Kool Idea though. Even more downforce....................