We needed a thread dedicated to the growing 1/4 scale class.

yep thats right tim we needed this on the right forum a long time ago :thumbsup:

yep thats right tim we needed this on the right forum a long time ago :thumbsup:
Now can we pull the junk out of the trunk here.LOL It was getting a little heated on the track forum.

jeff setup PM so we can have some of those secrets of the universe chats LOL :thumbsup:

we might start a smack talk forum for the track but think we will keep it straight up on this one with just a hint and i did say hint of smoke every now and then LOL

I'm looking for 5 different 1/4 scale race formats for a series in 2008. These formats once chosen will be placed on a wheel to be spun before each of the 5 races. This will spice up the series a bit. The schedule still has to be hatched out due to club scheduling and the NSC. I'm also looking for a unique name for the series.

Any takers?

I'm looking for 5 different 1/4 scale race formats for a series in 2008. These formats once chosen will be placed on a wheel to be spun before each of the 5 races. This will spice up the series a bit. The schedule still has to be hatched out due to club scheduling and the NSC. I'm also looking for a unique name for the series.

Any takers?sounds interesting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yep, it's up to the racers to be creative!sounds interesting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LPR use to have a pretty awesome 1/4 series of races during the regular season. I will research the Grid to see what the formats were.

well i may get a pal of mine to make some shirts for us. with some lagoon park stuff on them if that is ok. i will see what i can do they may say something like living large at lagoon park or size does matter!!!!!!!!!!! that may be a new twist for some of us to brag on our track and our hot rods with!!!!!!!!

Shirts would be nice!! Maybe with the schedule on it?

maybe get one for allen that says i saved a ton of money on 1/4 car insurance by outrunning will!!!!!!!!!

Shirts would be nice!! Maybe with the schedule on it?yeah he usually does nice shirts for 10 bucks 12 for the really big sizes 3x plus. i will get up with him tommorrow and see what he could do for us he owes me some favors anyway!!!!

3 X plus you will need that to get over your head opps i posted on wrong thread

3 X plus you will need that to get over your head opps i posted on wrong thread my head aint that big. i haven't won as many races as you have over the years. LOL

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Come on now, I know you guys have some ideas in those "motorheads." We talk about what we would like to have and/or see all the time at the track. "Ole Will" would like to see single car qualifying. This could be one format, but we need some other ideas. Don't leave it up to me, I'll start everybody 10 laps down to myself...LOL..just joking!!

Seriously, it's about making the series exciting and knowledgable. Running a 1/4 scale only series will allow us to spread the raceday out enough to give the racers the time to adjust their own ride and also help others. Different formats will make it interesting and exciting. Helping others will insure their return for more racing!!!

single car qualifiying . another idea i have tossed around is starting the field inverted for the main.

Pull a number 1 thru 10 to know how many to invert? This would be fun. We did this a couple years back and it worked well.single car qualifiying . another idea i have tossed around is starting the field inverted for the main.

Seems like the BHASC had a unique format the first time. Kinda like the old Winston format. I don't remember all the details, but it was fun. Had a little of everything.

Freddie's is doing a shootout deal where you have to "place" in qualifing races to make the big show. That would be cool too.

How about running the NASCAR format, with qualifing, the luckdog, green and yellow flag pitstops, green/white/checkered rules. Do we dare try double file starts?

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Paul, it can be done. The way to do it would be to have the first lap a pace speed then start them green on the front or back stretch. Double file starts i believe would be a cluster come the 1st corner. It is bad enough everyone wanting to jump the gun on a single start. But something to ponder over.

Green flag stops!?...I kinda had this idea in my head, but we would have to enforce pitroad speeds. My suggestion would be to place a small orange cone on the outside corner of each pit stall. Anyone hitting a cone would be pentalized a lap or more. This would help insure a slow safe entry/exit on/off pitroad.

We did have green flag stops at the BHASC and you can make up laps!


Seems like the BHASC had a unique format the first time. Kinda like the old Winston format. I don't remember all the details, but it was fun. Had a little of everything.

Freddie's is doing a shootout deal where you have to "place" in qualifing races to make the big show. That would be cool too.

How about running the NASCAR format, with qualifing, the luckdog, green and yellow flag pitstops, green/white/checkered rules. Do we dare try double file starts?

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How bout, Five race formats choices, along with a racer's name pulled from a hat to choose from any of the five?

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Tim, just an thought to mix things up a bit and go outside the window so to speak. Everyone uses an 8oz tank so how about trying a main event where everyone has the same amount of fuel (8oz's) to see who can run the most laps with 8 oz's in the quickest amount of time! For example, if you were to run 125 laps in 27 minutes and the next closest guy ran 125 laps in 25 minutes, he would win, and if you ran 125 laps in 27 minutes and he ran 126 laps in 27 minutes, you would be the winner, or something along these lines! It can be altered anyway but the idea is to see who runs the quickest and most amount of laps with the same amount of fuel!

How about an enduro race? Say you have 10 cars, each driver pulls a pill withthe pills being matched in pairs. one matched with one etc. Those two drivers would make up a team. One driver runs the first half, say 75 laps and then the team driver takes his car out and runs the final 75 if it was a 150 lap race! This could work for a larger race of say 500-1000 or so laps. The concept is you never know who you will teamed up with until the pill draw! You could have green flag pit stops on the larger races with a red flag mid point so teams could change cars and drivers! The team mate running the second leg would take over where the first driver left off regarding laps up or down!

Now that's interesting. More or less a fuel run for the best time and/or the most laps?


Keep'em coming.

Paul, I personally would like to see the entire club go back to the two half seasons...(8 race first half and 8 race second). This is my opinion only :).



I personally feel the 16 race series is just way to hard on everyone trying to make them all. have several shorter series.

Tag team, huh...might be a fun(no points)day! what if one crashes, can the other one go out and make laps while the other tries to make repairs? That would be cool, but both racers have to run their 75 laps, or the team is out? If not, one guy may never see the track. The scoring booth might be where the most excitement is at. Say a max of two tags, to keep the chaos to a minimum?

On the fuel run, what if you run 100 in 20mins, and I run 125 in 25 mins, who wins? :)

Paul, I personally would like to see the entire club go back to the two half seasons...(8 race first half and 8 race second). This is my opinion only :).

I agree, not that it would make a difference in my points position. LOL. But a family tragedy keeping someone out for a couple of races ruins their chancces for the whole year.

Yep, it also gives new racers in all classes the opportunity if they start close to mid-season.I agree, not that it would make a difference in my points position. LOL. But a family tragedy keeping someone out for a couple of races ruins their chancces for the whole year.

David, the idea is to see who can go the furthest, the quickest on the same amount of fuel which is 8 oz's! Obviously if someone ran 125 laps over 100, the 125 would win! The concept is to 1, run fast to make as many laps as possible, 2, conserve fuel, 3, stay out of trouble!

As for the enduro? Part of being on a team is to hope like heck your team mate stays out of trouble and working together. I would say that the second driver should not be allowed to go in until it's his turn such as the mid way point for safety reasons and to allow the first driver to make fixes in hopes he could return! This would have to be done to police an issue such as this...
Say one team has a very good driver which has selected to run the second leg and one driver just starting out. The guy starting out makes two laps and "says" he breaks. That would allow the good driver to go in and run the rest of the race! Nah, I think you would agree, that this wouldn't be fair! If driver number one breaks and has run say 30 laps and can't get back in to finish his leg of the race, then he is accounted for 30 laps. His team mate comes in and runs the final leg of say 75, then that team would have accummalated a total of 105 laps or something around this idea!

Just thinking out loud :dude:
What I am saying is that both drivers have to complete their 75 laps, just not all at once. So if driver 1 breaks on lap 2 and can make it to the pits, then driver 2 could go out imediately, but would have to come back in at lap 77. If driver 1 can't continue, then the team is done. Just a thought, so everyone would get to race some.

David

david and tim at all of our big events maybe one of the montgomery locals church could come out and give the invocation and national ath. think needs to be a must at all large events before the mains in my oppion it adds the highest class and puts calm over the track

Ok, David can give the innvocation and we'll let you sing the Anthem :)

I hear ya. Maybe someone local can help with this area?
david and tim at all of our big events maybe one of the montgomery locals church could come out and give the invocation and national ath. think needs to be a must at all large events before the mains in my oppion it adds the highest class and puts calm over the track

Ok, David can give the innvocation and we'll let you sing the Anthem :)

I hear ya. Maybe someone local can help with this area?
na my transmission starts sliping on those high notes LOL

100 laps, no pit stops and green flag laps only count. Not counting the yellows. Be just like the local short tracks around here (dirt/asphalt)

Make it where you have to use your head instead of your trigger finger cause you don't know if there will be a quick 100 laps or a total of 130 counting cautions

I'm not sure how to keep the computer from counting the caution laps, but the idea is a good one.

I like the idea of no pit stops and only green flag laps count but how would fuel play into this format? That could make it interesting if you had to run 130 or more laps. You just might run out on the last lap or close to it because of the cautions!

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Five races with the possibility of 5 different formats(in the works) spread out over a race season is where we stand. Now we need a name for the series!

Examples ONLY:

M.A.R.S - Montgomery Ala Racing Series or Montgomery Area Racing Series

Q.O.R.E. Series - QuarterScale Oval Racing Extreme

Living Large Race Series

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Let not discard the endro race format just yet. I like this idea the best, probably because I'm one of the lower tier drivers, but i think this could be a good way to encourage the lower tier drivers and give them a chance to be competitive. Maybe instead of the pill draw, we could seed drivers by point standings. I know this opens another can of worms, we would have to have some history to draw from on each driver.
Anyway, by some point or handicap system, what if we put 1st with 10th, 2nd/9th, 3rd/8th, ect...do it at signup time, so that gives the top driver on the team time to help with setup. But more importantly IMHO is driver coaching. I've had maybe two drivers actually come up on the stand with me to try to teach me to drive. Believe me when I say I can make the best of cars look like junk. And others who have driven my car says it's hooked up, yet I can't get in or off a corner to save my life.
Just my opinion, but I think the top runners can be more benefical to the newer drivers by coaching them on the stand or from pit road. All the guys are always ready to help with setups, and that is important, but like I said, A bad driving style will make a junk pile out of a decent car. And once I developed a bad style, its taken a year or so to overcome. And telling me after the fact that I was overdriving the car don't help much. I'll be back in a month to try again, and guess what I'm gonna remember, a passing comment or an ingrained bad habit.
Sorry, I kinda got off subject here. And oh yeah, thanks to everyone who has ever helped me, in the pits AND on the stand. :wave:

I'm open for anything that makes the racing fun. As Paul stated, we have time this year to try some of these ideas to see what we have to work with.


I was hoping to hear from other racers across the country. It would be nice to have ideas and suggestions...some new and some tried in the past from outside the state.

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