It's almost a new season, so it is time to start a new thread. Sunday road course racing will begin early this season with the first Sunday race being on September 16. After a lot of discussion with many of the guys who come out and race on Sunday, we will be running the following classes:

novice
1/10 Touring Speed GT
1/10 Touring stock/13.5 brushless foam tire
1/12 Stock brushed

The goal was to match Sunday up with what is run at other tracks (without leaving out the large turnout that we get locally for Speed GT). Guys running 1/12 with the 13.5 motor will be placed in a heat separate from the 1/12 stock if there are enough drivers to do so. I know that some guys will not like this, but there are equally as many that agree that they need to be separate classes. With touring stock foam tire we will run brushed and brushless together as we are trying to build up that class.

Concerns about traction have also been raised. We plan on running the same track layout for two weeks in a row. This worked well at the end of last season. Also with several guys running touring cars with foam tires, it won't take that long to establish a groove in the track. At the test and tunes this summer, the track got a nice, visible groove by the end of the day with only three guys running touring cars.

The doors will open at 9:00 AM with racing starting at 12:00. We will stick closely to a 1.5 hour clock with following heats starting at 1:30, 3:00 and the mains at 4:30. We plan on having a couple of big trophy races this season. We will post more info. as we finalize the dates.

Our final test and tune of the season is Aug. 19th.

Look forward to a good season of road course racing.

John Kissel

Well said.
Also we have mentioned the possiblity of running a points season for 1/12 and T/C stock. Maybe alternating weekends such that we would run both classes each weekend but only every other will count towards points, with a predetermined # of drops.
Any interest?

Can't Wait! Anyone have any ideas how to make a few round corners? It would be great to have some nice smooth sweeping corners in a few places on the track. We have talked about difference options for years but haven't found a good solution. If we can come up with a good solution I think it would take our track up to the next level!

The problem would be making enough to have options. If you knew what your radius would be, basically because it would be fixed, I assume you could laminate a few pieces of plywood together, lay the ID and OD out, and jig saw it out. That's one of the problems with changing the track layout a couple times a month. If we were the types to leave a track down for a season, it would be easy to put the effort into it.

If you/we could figure out a basic standard radius to use for the corner, we could make a few corner sections with different arc lengths. That way we would have a few options weekly in putting a new track down. This might be better to talk about in person next track day. I'm sure nobody understands me. :cry:

Ben

Can't Wait! Anyone have any ideas how to make a few round corners? It would be great to have some nice smooth sweeping corners in a few places on the track. We have talked about difference options for years but haven't found a good solution. If we can come up with a good solution I think it would take our track up to the next level!

Sounds like some tool and die guy we know better get to fabricating fast before they send him out to pasture.

One way is to take a few of the barriers we use now and cut a "v" slot every foot or so on the inside of say a 6 foot peice for example. Then it can be flexed into an octagon shape or half octagon. Then a long peice of lexan (flapper) material is screwed to the outside to round out the octagon shape. These can be unscrewed simply and flexed to different amounts to make different sizes of corners. Some tracks do this with the larger 4"x4" pvc barriers. I think it could be done with the msaller that Dale has.

...flexed into an oxygon shape or half oxygon... WTF Ron??

Ox´y`gon
n.1.(Geom.) A triangle having three acute angles.

We could try a plastic section of guttering like we have and try it. I understand what fergie is saying. I'll find a chunk of it and try it. I don't have access to that thin of lexan, does anybody have any hookups?

Ken's tool maker guy is up to his arse in work as it is. Maybe we should let him get caught up. He has a couple POs in the works right now.:thumbsup:

WTF Ron??

Ox´y`gon
n.1.(Geom.) A triangle having three acute angles.

Boy!! You'd thought I was out drinking with you. I edited it so now it reads better.

We could try a plastic section of guttering like we have and try it. I understand what fergie is saying. I'll find a chunk of it and try it. I don't have access to that thin of lexan, does anybody have any hookups?

Ken's tool maker guy is up to his arse in work as it is. Maybe we should let him get caught up. He has a couple POs in the works right now.:thumbsup:

Dale had some extra at one time and he knows where to get it. I think Meyer Plastics carries it. I'm not sure if the guttering will be stong enough after cut but another thing is to use the angled connecting blocks that Nick made. They could be held together with very short peices of guttering then lexan could be attached on the outside. I think Dale thru out most of the really short peices of guttering that Tracey and I used for that purpose. We had mede a few corners like that at times but did not make them perminent. And they were torn apart.

Ken's tool maker guy is up to his arse in work as it is. Maybe we should let him get caught up. He has a couple POs in the works right now.:thumbsup:

I meant the other tool guy who's about to retire :hat:

Hey on those sweeping corners why couldnt you do something like use a few pieces of that indoor outdoor carpet(like used for oval) and just set up a square corner and lay the carpet into that corner for your sweeper by cutting it to your given radius and put a nice tapped edge on it...cause you know someone will run up on it....Another option would be to get what oval racers refer to as ice which I think you guys use it on your oval track and cut it and set it into your square corner....Another option is to figure out what CEFX uses cause they use a similar method for sweepers....Just my 2 cents

I meant the other tool guy who's about to retire :hat:

Ohh, I thought you were being smart. I have plenty of stuff from you and Sean to keep me busy a while.

Hey Sean, those servo mounts are doable. I have them toolpathed, just need to fixture them now. I'll try to make a couple sets. They're only available to "believers".

Ben

Hey on those sweeping corners why couldnt you do something like use a few pieces of that indoor outdoor carpet(like used for oval) and just set up a square corner and lay the carpet into that corner for your sweeper by cutting it to your given radius and put a nice tapped edge on it...cause you know someone will run up on it....Another option would be to get what oval racers refer to as ice which I think you guys use it on your oval track and cut it and set it into your square corner....Another option is to figure out what CEFX uses cause they use a similar method for sweepers....Just my 2 cents


That may not be too bad. Paint the sucker green to simulate grass and have curb area of duct tape. Edicate would be to stay on the racing surface....unless it's the last lap to pass Brad or the entire B-main :drunk: .

Ben

Sportpak....I was thinking I could use that area to put Sean into the wall and it would keep him out of the way of other drivers....Of course I would have to catch him or do it when he laps me....But it also gives you more areas for marshalls and pull off points if you break....

A real nice back to back sweeper w/a small straight in between is always sweet....That would be great at left end of the track(if you were on the D.stand) cause you would go right out of it into the straight...

you could also use it to change lane shape....that way you could tighten the lane leading into your corners...Makes for some good action when racing is tight when you have to fall into some what of a line to enter corners also it gives the ability to make the track different w/out having to change the main layout cause you can shrink lanes make corners tighter and use it to define a hard groove on the track......Sounds like a winner to me......

They're only available to "believers".

Ben

I believe everyone should have something to believe in :rolleyes:


I believe I'll have another beer :drunk:

I believe everyone should have something to believe in :rolleyes:


I believe I'll have another beer :drunk:HERE HERE Good man!!!!!

-Sean

I think Dale thru out most of the really short peices of guttering that Tracey and I used for that purpose. We had mede a few corners like that at times but did not make them perminent. And they were torn apart. I think there are still plenty of short pieces if not we'll make some more. Hard to keep track of everything with all the different programs going on. It seems we can come up with something this season that can improve the layouts.

John....Is there a possibility of a track layout change for the final test and tune on the 19th or will it remain the same until sept...Is there a chance we could roll out some of the ideas for turns and give them a try....

Considering the track is currently set up as an oval and the last set up was different than when you were last here, what ever you see on the 19th will be different.

We will probably run a different course. The last test and tune in July we ran a course that had a shorter main straight. It was different and was kind of neat. I think everyone who ran on it liked it and there were no complaints (which is unusual). We might run a track like that again. The oval guys put down some sort of traction additive on the track which really gave it a groove real quick last weekend for the oval test and tune. I'm going to find out what they used and what the cost is.

As for short pieces for the track, we actually have many now after Dale fixed several of them at the end of last season.

John

That traction additive smelled just like the red tube Testors Model Glue. Brought back fond memories building little muscle cars from back in grade school.

I'm sure Sean and Ken have a lot of lost memories thanks to that glue.

Ben

Ken, I'm machining your parts tonight. I'll pm you.

I'm sure Sean and Ken have a lot of lost memories thanks to that glue.

BenI guess??!??:freak:

-Sean

The oval guys put down some sort of traction additive on the track which really gave it a groove real quick last weekend for the oval test and tune. I'm going to find out what they used and what the cost is. John I believe Brian Deel gets that from John Foister. The stuff works well but just as sportpack says ( it does have a pretty bad oder).

Get some Miller for Miller....Gees I miss 1 test and tune and this is the treatment I get well I wont be missin anymore.....I talked to some of the oval guys and they said they used a bottle of Seans cologne...Paragone #5...Sean did you talk to Mitch...But seriously I run some oval w/ A couple of those guys I will ask them...

I heard it's some BSR concoxtion(?).

Ben

Yea, Like Dale said,Brian gets it from the John Foister, the owner of BSR tires.Johns BSR Racing
5369 Dixie Hwy
Fairfield, Ohio 45014
Email teambsr@att.net
Phone 513-829-5995
Fax 513-829-5932

Yea, Like Dale said,Brian gets it from the John Foister, the owner of BSR tires.Johns BSR Racing
5369 Dixie Hwy
Fairfield, Ohio 45014
Email teambsr@att.net
Phone 513-829-5995
Fax 513-829-5932

page 3 http://www.bsr-racing.com/catalog/catalog.pdf

I don't think that is the same thing. What Brian has is in a bigger container( approx 1 gal.). It is put into a spray bottle and I think that that they needed to put something in with it to dilute it (but i could be wrong) and is sprayed on.

Foam tires, and driving a big circle? :freak: ...hmmm. Traction cant be that bad to require sprayed?

Yeah, the traction stuff they sprayed is different. Dale is going to check into it. The only down side is that it smells worse than Paragon.

Yeah, the traction stuff they sprayed is different. Dale is going to check into it. The only down side is that it smells worse than Paragon.

So does Sean but we keep him around :confused:

Besides I heard that stuff only works in one direction :freak:

So we're going big budget this year with track spraying? How much is this going to cost?

Ben

So we're going big budget this year with track spraying? How much is this going to cost?

Ben

We are just going to charge people with pink Tamiya minis extra to make up for the cost :p Actually, the stuff is not that expensive whichever we use.

Yeah, the traction stuff they sprayed is different. Dale is going to check into it. The only down side is that it smells worse than Paragon.So does Sean but we keep him aroundHEY! That's double-fermented Paragon aftershave by TAG. All the ladies love my R/C nerd-musk!

-Sean

Thread is falling down the list guys. Let's spark up some trash talk.

I got the electronics hung on my new 12. Looks pretty good. I don't blame Ken for running 19t this winter.

Ben

I would have no problem paying an extra $1 on my entry fee if the track is sprayed with traction compound first thing! I will also bring my Track Cleaner touring car to help run in the compound first thing. One area of improvement we can make is to get the traction level to come up sooner instead of after the first qualifier! That will help with making the traction more consistant and fun for those who want to run foam tires!

19T rocks! It is a nice step up from stock!

so spray on Saturday night and then spray again on Sunday morning?

I would have no problem paying an extra $1 on my entry fee if the track is sprayed with traction compound first thing! I will also bring my Track Cleaner touring car to help run in the compound first thing. One area of improvement we can make is to get the traction level to come up sooner instead of after the first qualifier! That will help with making the traction more consistant and fun for those who want to run foam tires!

19T rocks! It is a nice step up from stock!
How about put in the extra $1 for new carpet? Sounds like a better idea to me.

How about put in the extra $1 for new carpet? Sounds like a better idea to me.


are you on the wrong thread? this is the onroad thread or are you going to start running with us on sunday....................

no, no sunday for me, I look @ most threads on HT. I follow tracks that are close. I have a couple 1/12ths but would rather sell them.

How about put in the extra $1 for new carpet? Sounds like a better idea to me.


I wasn't aware that the track needed new carpet? From what I hear the new carpet that is being produced isn't providing very good levels of traction even after a groove has been run into them.

then why would you need to put traction compound on the track and not just on the tires if the track was in good shape?

I think Dale was planning on swapping the carpet out in a year or two. If we keep the house packed all winter it might happen sooner than later.

squeeker, is there ever too much traction? We change the layout several times a month. We don't get the thick, syruppy groove places get with a semi permanent layout.

Ben

We change the layout several times a month. We don't get the thick, syruppy groove places get with a semi permanent layout.

Ben

Not to mention the oval crowd changes the groove every Saturday.

I think Dale was planning on swapping the carpet out in a year or two. If we keep the house packed all winter it might happen sooner than later.

squeeker, is there ever too much traction? We change the layout several times a month. We don't get the thick, syruppy groove places get with a semi permanent layout.

Ben
Yep, been hearing it for a couple years. But I understand that he needs to save for his retirement.
Too much traction. Yea,I have had that happen, I lifted the tires. Just change to a little harder compound. We oval guys try to get a grove in it. The better the grove the faster that you can corner.

then why would you need to put traction compound on the track and not just on the tires if the track was in good shape?

I assume because the track is 'green' from not being used for several months. In the winter is it used every Saturday, Sunday and Tuesday, with practice thrown in on other days. Over the summer there are only a few test-n-tune days where the track gets any kind of consistent use. Naturally, the traction will be low this time of year.

Yep, been hearing it for a couple years. But I understand that he needs to save for his retirement.

hmmm! Pat that is lowe even for you... even you should know what a gold mine Dale has on his hands with this Track I think he is going 1:1 racing in his retirement just with the money from the track, ain't that right Wally.

-Tracey