I hope everyone will be happy with the name I've chosen for the track and this thread. It's seems fitting given the level of competition we have in our area.

Link to the old thread:
http://www.hobbytalk.com/bbs1/showthread.php?p=2034181#post2034181

Class Structure:
Tentative class list will be
12th 17.5 Blinky, 13.5 open esc, Mod
T/C 17.5 Blinky, Mod
VTA

Class Rules:

1. STOCK 1/12
Motor: ROAR Approved 17.5 Brushless
Battery: ROAR Approved 1S (3.7V) LiPo Only
ESC: Open
Tires: Foam
Body: ROAR Approved GTP/Can-Am
Minimum Weight: 730 grams
Maximum Width: 172mm
Minimum Ride Height: 3mm
Race Length: 8 minutes


2. OPEN 1/12
Motor: ROAR Approved Brushless
Battery: ROAR Approved 1S (3.7V) LiPo Only
ESC: Open
Tires: Foam
Body: ROAR Approved GTP/Can-Am
Minimum Weight: 730 grams
Maximum Width: 172mm
Minimum Ride Height: 3mm
Race Length: 8 minutes


3. STOCK RUBBER SEDAN
Motor: ROAR Approved 17.5 Brushless
Battery: ROAR Approved 2S (7.4V) LiPo Only
ESC: ROAR Spec
Tires: Jaco Blue, Sweep Racing RealBlue QTS32, or Solaris Medium (Medium Insert); 3 sets maximum
Body: ROAR Approved Sedan
Minimum Weight: 1400 grams
Maximum Width: 190mm
Minimum Ride Height: 5mm
Body Height: 130 with 20mm blocks
Race Length: 6 minutes


4. OPEN RUBBER SEDAN
Motor: ROAR Approved Brushless
Battery: ROAR Approved 2S (7.4V) LiPo Only
ESC: Open
Tires: Jaco Blue, Sweep Racing RealBlue QTS32, or Solaris Medium (Medium Insert); 3 sets maximum
Body: ROAR Approved Sedan
Minimum Weight: 1400 grams
Maximum Width: 190mm
Minimum Ride Height: 4mm
Body Height: 130 with 20mm blocks
Race Length: 6 minutes


5. WORLD GT
Motor: ROAR Approved 13.5 Brushless
Battery: ROAR Approved 1S (3.7V) LiPo Only
ESC: Open
Tires: BSR Team Purple Spec, Jaco Lilac Spec, or CRC 2300/2302 Spec Tires only
Body: Protoform Corvette (1499), Protoform Sophia (1502), Parma DB9 (10225), or McAllister Ferrari (257)
Minimum Weight: 930 grams
Maximum Width: 200mm
Minimum Ride Height: 4mm
Roof Height: 104mm ready-to-run
Race Length: 6 minutes


6. VINTAGE TRANS-AM
Will be governed according to the September 1, 2010 Rule Set at www.usvintagetransam.com, with the exception of the following:



Address:
1090 28Th Street Southwest Wyoming MI 49509

I think we have a chance to build something really good for RC in Grand Rapids, so lets all work together on it.

Exactly what I've been talking about to everybody willing (and unwilling) to listen...

I hope we can all rally around this new opportunity and make it a great place for everyone to race.

Denney
p.s. Fred - I'll give you my thoughts & opinions next time I see you...

Exactly what I've been talking about to everybody willing (and unwilling) to listen...

I hope we can all rally around this new opportunity and make it a great place for everyone to race.

Denney
p.s. Fred - I'll give you my thoughts & opinions next time I see you...

Denney,
I hope you don't mind that I copyed this over to this thread. I look forward to your thoughts a opinions!
-Fred

So when do you think we can be up and running? I REALLY can't wait for some tight stock touring action. Heck with the size and normal track layout 19turn ,mod and 12 scale 19turn sounds all to good!!!! Lets get it on!!!

So when do you think we can be up and running? Lets get it on!!!
Jesse, it's just way to early to say.
We'll all work on it as a TEAM!!!

19turn sounds all to good!!!! Lets get it on!!!

I cant wait for some 19turn!!!!!!!!!

19t/mod touring is gonna rock on this size track
We should see if we could make it the same layout as Cleveland was last year. That would be even sweeter.

Max k

Exactly how big is this place, anyway? The way people are talking, must be a good size.

Exactly how big is this place, anyway? The way people are talking, must be a good size.
It looks to be in the neighborhood of 60'-70' X 90'-100' in the main area.

Fred
Is anyone running a 13.5 class?If not,I'll run a 19t.Can't wait ti get racin.
Kirt

Kirt did you check out the manuals on line at http://www.tamiya.com/english/rc/manuals.htm
The car have is the trf415msx take look the frount bluk head it shoould be stamped msx take look lmk

Roy,
I looked at the 415msx sheet and it very well could be a msx.The car is at kieths until this weekend.If it is a msx,why do I have a 415MS manual?I'll have to look at the car when I get it back.I owe him some money so my car is hostage until then.
Kirt

Fred
That's a very nice and big place.I can't wait to get going.Hopefully I'll have my car up and running by then.
Kirt

WoW..... carpet racing in July-August!

Place looks great Fred...Great name by the way.

Roy
I talked to Kevin Jackson(the guy I got the cars from)and he said that the one I have is definetly a 415MS and not the MSX.He would know considering he's the one who bought them new.Just thought I'd pass that to you.
Kirt

Fred
That's a very nice and big place.I can't wait to get going.Hopefully I'll have my car up and running by then.
Kirt
Thanks Kirt, you'll make it!
WoW..... carpet racing in July-August!
Amazing isn't it!
Place looks great Fred...Great name by the way.
Thank you Max.
And thanks to everyone that came to help and check the place out.
-Fred

Thank you John DeMeester for stopping by as well and checking it out.
Glad we had a chance to talk and it's good that we can work together to try and make RC fun for all.

The racers that have been supporting us are the same racers that will be supporting you. Only makes things better for everyone to work together.

I guarantee I will be making Jason watch the store on occasion and join in the racing as I can.

Great location in the mall, nice space. Should give the chance to actively bring new blood into the hobby.

John

The racers that have been supporting us are the same racers that will be supporting you. Only makes things better for everyone to work together.

I guarantee I will be making Jason watch the store on occasion and join in the racing as I can.

Great location in the mall, nice space. Should give the chance to actively bring new blood into the hobby.

John
Thanks John,
I believe making things better for everyone is a great goal.
I'd come and race with my dirt friends as well instead of just hanging out except, I haven't a buggy yet.

Fred,

I'm happy to see that carpet is not going to waste. Let me know if you need help.

Fred,

I'm happy to see that carpet is not going to waste. Let me know if you need help.
Thanks my friend, you can count on it!
-Fred

Roy
You're right,you do have the 415MS.I have the 415 that was hopped up to take the MS parts.Where did you order your parts from?I was told that theres a store in Detroit that carries alot of tamiya parts.I don't know the name of the store but Kevin ordered from them when he had the cars and the parts were sent out the next day.I no longer will be ordering from Riders.Lmk about the place where you got your parts.I plan on placing an order on Friday.Thanks.
Kirt

kirt

I am not sure of the name of the place your talking about but I bought most of parts from towers.

Onroad?

Onroad?

How 'bout now?.......

If we were to put a store in, what kinds of things would you like to see and buy?
Maybe some,
Tire sauce?
Motor cleaner?
Foam tires?
Batteries?
Cleaning rags?

Here is an address for those that do not know the area:

Rogers Plaze
972 Rogers Plz Sw
Wyoming, MI 49509-2847

It's on 28th street.

Stick with simple supply-type stuff (and reasonably cheap)...if you try to stock batteries you'll get stuck with big $$ of inventory. If you get stuck with motor spray it's not nearly as big of a deal. Everything else you listed would be great though.

Car parts are another issue too...way to hard to predict what people will need & you'll always get stuck with parts for "last weeks" car of the month...

Are you going to be needing help getting things set-up & going? Post up some dates & we'll try to be there.

D

Denney,
Thanks for your input.
I will post some work day's next week.
-Fred

Fred,

Are you still going to Ortinville to race at the car show? Just wanted to know if you are going to drag anybody with you besides RLK. Let me know...talk to ya later.

Cookie :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

PS The more bodies the more carnage we get! Let's have fun racing!

Roy:

Hi,

here's a good base setup starting point fro your 415ms.


Front

Springs : Assoc purple
swaybar : Tamiya Blue
Shock Oil : Assoc 70
Caster : 4 degrees
Roll Center : (Moderate) Upper links have no spacers. Other than the anit-dive no additional spacers under the hinge pin blocks.
Anti-dive : 1mm spacer under rear hinge pin block
wheelbase : all the way to the back
camber : -1.5 on front left , -1 on front right
Tire : 35/52 shore

Rear

Springs : Assoc Copper
Swaybar : none
Shock Oil : Assoc 50
Anti-squat : none
Roll center : (low) Links have no spacers on inner pivot ball. Used inner hole on rear upright. Hinge pin blocks both flat on chassis - i.e. no spacers. You might want to try a 1mm spacer under the inner pivot ball on upper link to make the rear a little more stable.
Rear Toe In : Total 1.5 to 2.0 Since it is a double one-way you may even want to try 2.5 it the car is too twitchy for you. I liked 2.0 with the double one-way and 1.5 with no one-ways.
camber : -2.5 on rear left, -2 on rear right.
wheelbase : all the way to the back
tire : 35 shore.

Misc:

Tires are shore rated from 2003/2004 most likely Purple/Purple/Orange

sway-bars are needed on your car for carpet. since it's one step up from a 414m series.

good Luck

Thanks

Thanks, Max, Jesse for coming out today.
It was good to see Jeffy too.
We got that hole in the wall patched up, the carpet laid out and the vinyl lane dividers hauled into day. They need to be cleaned bad. Do I have any volunteers to help clean them before we use them? Five or six people would make for a two or three hour job.

Thanks, Max, Jesse for coming out today.
It was good to see Jeffy too.
We got that hole in the wall patched up, the carpet laid out and the vinyl lane dividers hauled into day. They need to be cleaned bad. Do I have any volunteers to help clean them before we use them? Five or six people would make for a two or three hour job.



Are you going to be working on the track Tomorrow?

Mike, if we can get a crew together that wants to work tomorrow cleaning lane dividers I'm game.

hey fred, Pete here courious about the hours that you are going to be opened and is there outside doors or do you have to walk into the mall. just asking because i go and get my hair cuts at rogers and tried to see what store front yu guys where looking at.


L8TR

Pete

hey fred, Pete here courious about the hours that you are going to be opened and is there outside doors or do you have to walk into the mall. just asking because i go and get my hair cuts at rogers and tried to see what store front yu guys where looking at.
L8TR
Pete
Hey Pete,
Right now I'm planning on Saturday on-road and Sunday Oval. Doors will probably be open at 9:00am to 9:00pm both day's.
Our unit is located on the far west end of the main court on the south side.
So the best way to enter is from the main entrance on the west end of the mall and we are right across from those doors.

Our first official work day will be this Thursday.
If anyone is interested in working any other days let me know.

Cant Wait To Race!!!!!!!

Roy:

Hi,

here's a good base setup starting point fro your 415ms.


Front

Springs : Assoc purple
swaybar : Tamiya Blue
Shock Oil : Assoc 70
Caster : 4 degrees
Roll Center : (Moderate) Upper links have no spacers. Other than the anit-dive no additional spacers under the hinge pin blocks.
Anti-dive : 1mm spacer under rear hinge pin block
wheelbase : all the way to the back
camber : -1.5 on front left , -1 on front right
Tire : 35/52 shore

Rear

Springs : Assoc Copper
Swaybar : none
Shock Oil : Assoc 50
Anti-squat : none
Roll center : (low) Links have no spacers on inner pivot ball. Used inner hole on rear upright. Hinge pin blocks both flat on chassis - i.e. no spacers. You might want to try a 1mm spacer under the inner pivot ball on upper link to make the rear a little more stable.
Rear Toe In : Total 1.5 to 2.0 Since it is a double one-way you may even want to try 2.5 it the car is too twitchy for you. I liked 2.0 with the double one-way and 1.5 with no one-ways.
camber : -2.5 on rear left, -2 on rear right.
wheelbase : all the way to the back
tire : 35 shore.

Misc:

Tires are shore rated from 2003/2004 most likely Purple/Purple/Orange

sway-bars are needed on your car for carpet. since it's one step up from a 414m series.

good Luck

Thanks

[B]
Thanks Tim

Ok. I have to ask about the lipo battery. Are you going to allow use of the lipo? What classes are you going to have? I am thinking of an x-ray with lipo saddle packs and a 13.5 or a 5800 brushless.

Thanks

Yes on the lipo's as long as the voltage is correct.
I plan on using the 3200mah myself.

I want to run what people are interested in.

12th scale stock, 19, mod brushed or brush-less equivalent.
Sedan stock, 19, mod brushed or brush-less equivalent
Maybe a sportsman class for sedan and 12th as well.
It's really up to those that plan on supporting Rapid Competition R/C Raceway.
Hope this helps.

Just as a heads up for any of you that may be interested,
the minimum age limit for the Masters class at the Champs
this year has been lowered to 35 instead of 40 as in years past.

Roy.... Bill.... here's your chance!!! :tongue:

Also we could run the Johnson motor class with rubber tires and mimi coopers. I had a blast with that last season when we ran them. Just a thought.

Anyone heading over to Grand Blanc this weekend? How long does it take to get there?

Just as a heads up for any of you that may be interested,
the minimum age limit for the Masters class at the Champs
this year has been lowered to 35 instead of 40 as in years past.

Roy.... Bill.... here's your chance!!! :tongue:

Sorry John no old farts class for me!!

Sorry John no old farts class for me!!
Awwww, I'm sorry to hear that. Denney, Fred and myself would
be glad to have you with us. Are you planning on going again this year?

Ben.....

PM your direction

Cleveland is only in 3 months!!!

Cleveland is only in 3 months!!!

I'm so PUMPED, can't wait.

Cleveland is only in 3 months!!!Made my reservations about two months ago!!! :thumbsup: