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Warped9
07-30-2007, 08:19 PM
Over the weekend I picked up two ‘60s classics, Fantastic Voyage (1966) and Planet Of The Apes (1968), for my burgeoning DVD collection.

I hadn’t seen Planet Of The Apes in about twenty years and it still rocks. I don’t care if the apes in the newer remake of the film are more credible looking, the original film is still superior in terms of every other consideration. True the remake is closer to the original novel, but the ’68 film is still better than that as well.

Planet Of The Apes also still looks fantastic and very imaginative. The opening scenes after the crash landing, supported by very appropriate scoring, are truly effective in evoking the sense of landing on a strange and seemingly inhospitable alien world. The rest is icing on the cake. My own small reservations are in terms of worldbuilding and they do not detract from the film as a whole. 1) How can the apes have precision manufacturing to produce firearms and ammo yet still be so crude in practically every other respect? 2) It would have been better if Taylor’s crew had originated from the late 20th or even better the 21st century rather than the mid 20th. But those points are nitpicking.


The last time I saw Fantastic Voyage was as a TV rerun in the mid ‘70s. Now we have a gorgeous DVD transfer. The story gets going right away and most everything works in terms of acting and writing. The story never really seems to bog down. Of course this is storytelling in contrast to today’s emphasis on character with story and plot so often barely given a nod.

Of course the film’s idea is truly out there even today never mind in the ‘60s: shrinking people and equipment down to microscopic size. The film gets away with it because it doesn’t try to oversell the idea by dwelling on it and trying to explain it with pseudo science and technobabble. They just get on with it and treat it in a very straightforward manner. I also like that these are smart characters who figure things out usually long before the audience. That’s the proper way to maintain suspense and unpredictability.

Even after forty years I’m still impressed with the f/x for the most part. Of course today we have methods to actually see into an organism down to that scale and thus that could be effectively recreated with cgi f/x. But that doesn’t detract from FV’s very evocative sense of speculation and imagination. Even if it isn’t realistically true it still FEELS mostly true in its artistic visual presentation. And there’s still something rather tangibly immediate in seeing the actors interacting with physical sets and f/x rather than being superimposed over a green screen effect. And I still thought it was creepy to see the antibodies attacking.

I’m surprised I haven’t heard of this film being remade as so many others have been. But then what could be brought to a remake of an already well done story? Essentially all that would be accomplished would be slicker looking cgi f/x and more focus on character development? Perhaps a little more complexity to a plot that already sufficient?

Watching Fantastic Voyage I also couldn’t help reflect on Star Trek TOS’ episode “The Immunity Syndrome” as well as the current redoing of f/x in TOS-R. Fantastic Voyage is state-of-the-art ‘60s f/x. If TOS had had access to FV’s production standards than the massive single cell creature in “The Immunity Syndrome” could likely have been done quite differently. In extent FV suggests to us what a properly updated space creature should look like in TOS-R rather than a cartoony cgi rendering. The shots of FV’s submarine Proteus coursing through blood vessels suggests what the Enterprise and the shuttlecraft in Star Trek could have looked like moving through the space amoeba if done to feature film standards of the ‘60s.

Both these films remain fully deserving of classic status.

:thumbsup:

PhilipMarlowe
07-30-2007, 10:08 PM
It's now been parodied and copied so many times that it's a cliche, but the ending of POtA was absolutely mind blowing the first time I saw it at a drive-inn from the back of the family station wagon back in the sixties. I still think it's one of the great "surprise endings" of all time, only Don't Look Now and The Usual Suspects came close.

Warped9
07-30-2007, 10:44 PM
It's almost a shame the film's title is what it is because it sort of ruins the apes' first appearance. Up to that point you're really wondering what kind of world these guys have landed on and then WHAM(!), but because of the title you already know what's coming.


It's artistic speculation and interpretation, but I find it kinda hard to say that FV's f/x look fake because I've seen contemporary footage of the view from inside real blood vessels and that doesn't look that real either. :lol:

And seeing the antibodies attacking still creeped me out some because it looks so alien. OTH it was funny to watch the suggestive scene of four guys trying to pull this stuff off Raquel Welch while she's groaning on the floor. :lol: As a kid I didn't get any sexual overtones from that scene, but now it's hard to miss.

jheilman
07-30-2007, 11:54 PM
Oh YEAH, that scene is...uh...well...never mind.

While certainly not a remake, 1987's Innerspace shares many of the same aspects, but for comedic effect. IMDB entry (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093260/)

The Batman
07-31-2007, 12:42 AM
it was funny to watch the suggestive scene of four guys trying to pull this stuff off Raquel Welch while she's groaning on the floor. :lol: As a kid I didn't get any sexual overtones from that scene, but now it's hard to miss.

Well, I sure did! And I was 9 years old at the time!

- GJS

scotpens
07-31-2007, 02:19 AM
There's a funny story about that scene (quoted here from amazon.com):

When filming the scene where the other crew members remove attacking antibodies from Ms. Peterson for the first time, director Fleischer allowed the actors to grab what they pleased. Gentlemen all, they specifically avoided removing them from Raquel Welch's breasts, with an end result that the director described as a "Las Vegas showgirl" effect. Fleischer pointed this out to the cast members — and on the second try, the actors all reached for her breasts. Finally the director realized that he would have to choreograph who removed what from where, and the result is seen in the final cut.

Warped9
07-31-2007, 02:59 AM
There's a funny story about that scene (quoted here from amazon.com):

When filming the scene where the other crew members remove attacking antibodies from Ms. Peterson for the first time, director Fleischer allowed the actors to grab what they pleased. Gentlemen all, they specifically avoided removing them from Raquel Welch's breasts, with an end result that the director described as a "Las Vegas showgirl" effect. Fleischer pointed this out to the cast members — and on the second try, the actors all reached for her breasts. Finally the director realized that he would have to choreograph who removed what from where, and the result is seen in the final cut.
:lol:

John P
07-31-2007, 07:38 AM
The recent Apes remake suffers from two things: Marky Marks' utter lack of personality and talent, and that WTF ending.

Zorro
07-31-2007, 07:46 AM
.... and Burton was just the wrong director for that movie. In fact, it's been a long time since Burton directed a good movie. And when Burton's bad, he's very bad. And I'll defend Wahlberg - he's been quite decent in certain movies - usually playing a character much closer to himself.

Dave Hussey
07-31-2007, 08:09 AM
Ain't it ironic that the ending of the 1960's Planet of the Apes movie literally made the film a classic; whereas the ending of the recent remake forever doomed it to the DVD bargain bin.....

Huzz

Y3a
07-31-2007, 08:24 AM
Every time I watch FV, the sound effects (typical 20th Century Fox) remind me of so many overused bits from the Irwin Allen TV shows.

PhilipMarlowe
07-31-2007, 08:29 AM
Every time I watch FV, the sound effects (typical 20th Century Fox) remind me of so many overused bits from the Irwin Allen TV shows.

Actually, it's the other way around, the futuristic sound effects used in the title were created for the Fantastic Voyage score, and were then "borrowed" for countless other sci-fi Tv shows and movies.

I only know that from listening to our own jbond's excellent commentary on the DVD!

Arronax
07-31-2007, 08:30 AM
It's now been parodied and copied so many times that it's a cliche, but the ending of POtA was absolutely mind blowing the first time I saw it at a drive-inn from the back of the family station wagon back in the sixties. I still think it's one of the great "surprise endings" of all time, only Don't Look Now and The Usual Suspects came close.

I had read the book a few months before the movie was released. The book also ends with a twist but the movie ending took me totally by surprise.

Interesting trivia section: "Planet of the Apes" is based on the book "Monkey Planet" or "La Planète des Singes" by Pierre Boulle - the same French author who wrote "Bridge on the River Kwai."

Jim

razorwyre1
07-31-2007, 08:49 AM
not too long ago, my local video club bought the pota box set, and split it up for seperate rentals. the 6th "making of" disc went to their "4 sale bargain" bin. i picked it up and it was great. very insightful. so if you get the chance its called "behind the planet of the apes" and its narrated by (who else?) roddy mcdowell.

John P
07-31-2007, 10:03 AM
Sometime in the 70s, the Rialto Theater in Hackensack, NJ, had an Apes festival - all five films in a row. My friend Kevin dove in, and came out 12 hours later, nourished only by popcorn, soda, and a healthy dose of kitsch.

jbond
07-31-2007, 01:29 PM
Just a clarification about the opening sound effects in FV--in my commentary I do say these effects are familiar because they were reused in many of the Irwin Allen shows, but I believe most of them originated as sound effects for the computer in Fox's film Desk Set (this is pointed out in the visual effects documentary interviews), and later found their way into many Fox productions.

scotpens
07-31-2007, 04:57 PM
Ain't it ironic that the ending of the 1960's Planet of the Apes movie literally made the film a classic; whereas the ending of the recent remake forever doomed it to the DVD bargain bin.....And it's even more ironic that the ending of Tim Burton's remake is MUCH closer to the ending of the original novel!Just a clarification about the opening sound effects in FV--in my commentary I do say these effects are familiar because they were reused in many of the Irwin Allen shows, but I believe most of them originated as sound effects for the computer in Fox's film Desk Set (this is pointed out in the visual effects documentary interviews), and later found their way into many Fox productions.That computer panel with the chase patterns of lights was also originally made for Desk Set, then showed up in The Fly, the Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea movie, and the Shirley MacLaine vehicle What a Way to Go before finding a permanent home on the Seaview control room set when Voyage went into TV production. For all we know, it may still be lying around somewhere on the Fox lot!